/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.6361847]

It's Resurrection Sunday, /lit/.
Have you went to Mass yet?

[Anonymous No.6361851]

I'm not a whore for ancient traditional arms of state power

go fuck yourself and your phallic cross and your Oedipal allmother

[Anonymous No.6361860]

Can I get absolution if I watch the pope's thing on youtube?

[Anonymous No.6361899]

>>6361847
>why do you believe the gospels are historically accurate?
>if God is the creator of everything hasn't he created evil and sin?
>is heaven a physical place?

[Anonymous No.6361912]

>>6361899
Sin is the disordering of that which is good by its nature ; evil is the absence of good.
About heaven, probably yes, Christianity doesn't really support neo-platonist ideas about disembodied souls - humans are compounds of matter and form, they can't be pure form like the angels. This makes more sense to me philosophically too.

I'll leave the first question to someone else

[Anonymous No.6361933]

not a christian

[Anonymous No.6361939]

>>6361912
How do we determine what is good?

[Anonymous No.6361943]

>>6361912

>that which is good by its nature

'good' is a linguistic construct

[Anonymous No.6361944]

>>6361847
I'm going in a few hours.

pic related my basilic

[Anonymous No.6361947]

>>6361939
>>6361943

Read Kant you uneducated apes

[Anonymous No.6361953]

>>6361939
Muh feels. No, really.

[Anonymous No.6361955]

>>6361939
conscience

[Anonymous No.6361964]

>>6361939
When it fulfills its purpose. The good cannot be determined when we do not take the purpose of a thing into account - this is why rival ethical notions of today can never rationally defeat each other, since they take different starting points. Since humans have a purpose, the final good is in conforming themselves to that purpose, and turning away from it is what leads to evil.

[Anonymous No.6361969]

I'm so happy retards believe in this shit, I get a 4 day weekend of debauchery!

[Anonymous No.6362001]

>>6361969
>mfw my tax money goes to people who have no reason to live

[Anonymous No.6362003]

>>6361847
yeah man. Never go to church, but today my local church offered guided tours up the tower to see the sun rising over Copenhagen. They had a really good trompetist playing. Shit was spiritual.

[Anonymous No.6362024]

>>6361847
>going to any kind of church

You are not a christian.

[Anonymous No.6362038]

>>6362024
>heretic who rejects apostolic authority accuses someone of not being Christian

[Anonymous No.6362040]

>>6361964
So what if my acts are criminal and unchristian and my purpose is to be as criminal as possible? I have a purpose to act.

[Anonymous No.6362044]

>>6362040
You do not have a purpose to be a criminal or commit any kind of evil, that is a ridiculous notion.

[Anonymous No.6362057]

>>6362040
I would like to be a teen again

[Anonymous No.6362058]

>>6362044
Why would I not have a purpose to do that? Why would I have a purpose to be good? Didn't eve purposefully eat of the fruit and therefore committed an evil act out of her own purpose?

[Anonymous No.6362063]

One half of me is telling me to embrace whatever freedom I may have and simply be as long as I am, without giving myself to a religion or dogma. The other half of me is telling me to convert to Christianity. How do I decide? I'm going to have to take a leap of faith sooner or later, this has been bothering me for too long.

[Anonymous No.6362068]

>>6362063
If you have to ask someone to decide how to think, you should convert

[Anonymous No.6362070]

>>6361964

purpose is a social construct

[Anonymous No.6362073]

>>6362068
I'm only asking for a bit of advice.

[Anonymous No.6362075]

>>6362070
Next you'll be telling me science is a social construct

[Anonymous No.6362084]

>>6362038
>apostolic authority

I follow the Apostles, not the churches.

[Anonymous No.6362089]

>>6361899
>To a degree yes
>God's creation goes beyond the concepts of good and evil
>No

[Anonymous No.6362092]

>>6362075

in what way is science not socially constructed?

are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.6362094]

>christianity
usa stronk!

[Anonymous No.6362103]

>>6362092
People like you are society's problem.

[Anonymous No.6362104]

>>6362058
You're intentionally misrepresenting teleology so I don't know if I should even bother responding.

Eve's purpose, as a creature dependent upon God, is to assent to his will. This is the only path upon which we can find true fulfillment and happiness, as we are indeed ontologically purposed towards God - not just because he's mean like that.

However, God in his limitless love allows us even to reject him out of our own free will. As objectively speaking, we can never live on our own terms, and this eventually leads to isolation and sadness - the ultimate consequence of which is Hell as the ultimate abandonment of God.

Eve commits the prime sin of pride as she relegates to herself that, which only belongs to God. This is Original Sin.

Now, what you need to ask yourself is why God allows us to turn away from him instead of chaining us to Him, who knows what is best for us in the way we never will? I do not know - he saw it fit to do so, and we may only know his plans in full when we are united to Him in Heaven.
I would guess that true freedom is that which is pursued in our choice of love, instead of being forced upon us. The main fact of Christianity is that God wants us to love him.

[Anonymous No.6362119]

>>6362063
I converted, sort of. Life is agony, is a ficght between faith or not.
Man I believe in Jesus, I like what he says and I have "chills" while reading the NT ("chills" that I don't have reading the OT or Quran)

[Anonymous No.6362126]

>>6362119
My problem, personally, is Christ and not anything else. I've read natural theology for a good long while and it makes so much sense to me, but I can't accept the historicity of Christ. I don't understand why we would be given only vague hints and conflicting accounts, it seems rationally irresponsible to a degree.

[Anonymous No.6362147]

>>6362103

are you saying that science as a discourse somehow exists outside of discourse?

[Anonymous No.6362154]

>>6362126
What conflicting accounts? I clearly see the events that He made on Earth.

[Anonymous No.6362157]

>>6362119
The type of things Jesus says are just... weird.

[Anonymous No.6362168]

>>6362157
Like what?

[Anonymous No.6362184]

>>6362104
Fuck off Leibniz. The bad in the universe is not "paid back with interest" and I'm not going to chain myself to God on the off chance that there is a hell. Voltaire tore your ass up, you fucking Germanic bitchboi.

[Anonymous No.6362189]

Christians, I want to better understand your religion. Should I begin with the New Testament?

[Anonymous No.6362204]

>>6362189

[Anonymous No.6362209]

>>6362204

Catholicism isn't Christianity

[Anonymous No.6362212]

>>6362209
Here we go

[Anonymous No.6362248]

>>6362189
Read it. I didn't need anything more than that and my thoughts to become Christian.
>>6362209
Agreed.

[Anonymous No.6362259]

>>6362189
Yes, read the entire New Testament. Then read Ambrose, then read Augustine, then read Gregory of Nyssa.

>>6362209
Ignore this butthurt Protestant.

[Anonymous No.6362263]

>>6362157
Of course they are. It's irrational to love your enemies, to forgive those who curse you, to bless those who hate you. It's irrational to give up your life for a complete stranger.

"You are thinking not as God does, but as man does."

[Anonymous No.6362266]

>>6362209
Don't respond to the heretic, fellow Christians. Just enjoy the Paschal peace and think not of the miserable ignorance of the non-Apostolic apes.

"Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."

[Anonymous No.6362281]

What is Christian passion?

[Anonymous No.6362282]

>>6362266
What's "non-Apostolic"? I hate catholicism and every other Church, but love the Apostles and Christianism.

[Anonymous No.6362290]

>>6361847
Stop shitposting you pathetic loser.

[Anonymous No.6362291]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVo6YUlwfeA

[Anonymous No.6362294]

>tfw no traditional mass near you

[Anonymous No.6362306]

>>6362282
>love the Apostles
>hate the churches founded by the Apostles

Do you know absolutely anything about Christian history or do you just gobble up your (I assume some crazy non-dem sect) propaganda?

[Anonymous No.6362316]

>>6362282
The One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church consists of the Churches of Rome, Constantinople, Antioch, Jerusalem, and Alexandria, as well as the various particular Churches and autocephalous Churches that have been created by the authority of the original 5 Churches.

[Anonymous No.6362321]

>>6362294
Oh please

[Anonymous No.6362329]

>>6361847
No. I'm Protestant (though like most I have yearnings for the mother church). Where I live there's nothing but a bunch of bullshit "independent evangelicals" stinking up the strip malls. Don't have a church of my denomination within an hour's drive. Miss church though.

[Anonymous No.6362335]

>>6361947
I (wait for it)...
Kan't.

[Anonymous No.6362339]

>>6362306
I know about Christian history actually, but, even if I admire Peter I will not help the Catholic church, because I think it's totally "rotten" and even Peter would destroy it.

[Anonymous No.6362340]

>>6362335
Are you a big bang theory screenwriter?

[Anonymous No.6362345]

>>6362189
Yes, but if you want the quick version, read:
John
Luke
Acts
Romans

That'll get you the core of it.

And I think Lewis' "Mere Christianity" is approachable.

[Anonymous No.6362349]

>>6362339
My local priest is actually a cool guy.
It's really interesting to follow his Masses.

[Anonymous No.6362351]

>>6362340
No, I just mimic their jokes (badly).

[Anonymous No.6362364]

>>6361939
>determine what is good

[Anonymous No.6362365]

>>6362349
Of course. I don't hate good priests, and I don't hate everything about the Catholic church (Caritas, for example). But I'm fine without being catholic. I am just christian.
I have attended some masses, and I have met cool priests, just to clarify.

[Anonymous No.6362369]

>>6362351
Your jokes can't be worse, you only miss the laughter background.

[Anonymous No.6362371]

No mass please, we're Christian!

Blessings!

[Anonymous No.6362373]

>>6362369
I do miss it.

[Anonymous No.6362376]

>there are people this stupid

[Anonymous No.6362380]

>>6362376
it amused

[Anonymous No.6362388]

>>6362373
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o8U48T7Mac

[Anonymous No.6362426]

>>6362376
>/r/atheism

[Anonymous No.6362485]

Why do you still believe in a random sandcult that's no more likely to be true than Islam, Buddhism, or fucking Hinduism?

[Anonymous No.6362510]

>>6362485
Because in this sandcult God has teached with example instead that only with books and prophets.

[Anonymous No.6362512]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEn3ngvXZhg
>you will never be a Franciscan friar

[Anonymous No.6362559]

>>6362126

You're assuming that there isn't an interest in tampering with historical evidence that confirms His existence and works.

[Anonymous No.6362619]

>>6362104
>Now, what you need to ask yourself is why God allows us to turn away from him instead of chaining us to Him, who knows what is best for us in the way we never will? I do not know

That one's easy. Morality cannot exist without free will.

And ultimate pureness in complete morality is the highest form man can achieve.

[Anonymous No.6362682]

>>6362512
>you will never live among dominican philosophy experts

[Anonymous No.6362696]

I would like to wish all my Roman cousins a very happy Easter. I eagerly await the bridegroom!

Remember to study the Scriptures!

God bless.

[Anonymous No.6362700]

>really nice Mass in Italian and Latin at some small village in the Toscana
>been here barely three days and everyone treats me as if they knew me for all their lives
>cute girl from the bakery invited me over for coffee at her place after church
I-is that the miracle of Easter I've heard about?

[Anonymous No.6362709]

>>6362700
>tfw you will never be Italian

[Anonymous No.6362752]

>>6362709
It's not too late Anon.
I made it, you can, too. Buy red Prada shoes and come to Cetona.

[Anonymous No.6362794]

>>6362709
It's really more of a state of mind than any specific geographic location. It's entirely possible to 'be Italian' and not live in Italy, though depending on where you live you may get some odd looks.

[Anonymous No.6362863]

>>6362084
>I follow the Apostles, not the churches.
Yes, the apostles . . . who planted and supported churches.

[Anonymous No.6362954]

>tfw no latin mass to go to

[Anonymous No.6362997]

Just got out.

[Totodile !rvuM2/Tz8c No.6363012]

My family did, I got an extra hour of sleep

>>6362954
my local church holds a latin mass every week or month. I'm kinda tempted to go to just listen to the language of Virgil

[Anonymous No.6363019]

>>6362752
>>6362794
I am who I am. Can't change it.