Vox day. Are you fucking serious? Its one thing gamergate faggots hijacking the entire hugo awards but jesus fucking christ they could at least have a semblance of fucking taste.

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Anonymous Sun Apr 5 12:43:12 2015 No.6361241 [Reply] [Original]

Vox day. Are you fucking serious? Its one thing gamergate faggots hijacking the entire hugo awards but jesus fucking christ they could at least have a semblance of fucking taste.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 12:49:09 2015 No.6361277 I don't care about video game awards. Video game criticism is beyond stunted.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 12:56:05 2015 No.6361299 >>6361277 The hugo awards are a massive literature award event dude. The academy awards of /lit/

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 13:06:16 2015 No.6361333 >>6361241 >Gamergate hijacking the Hugo Awards. Nice listening and believing, champ. That Sad Puppies thing has been in the works for years.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 13:08:27 2015 No.6361345 >>6361299 Oh sorry, I looked it up. I didn't realize what it was because I don't read pleb level genre fiction written as masturbatory material for man children in between seasons of Stargate or whatever they watch these days.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 13:10:20 2015 No.6361356 http://andrewhickey.info/2015/04/04/so-whats-happening-with-the-hugos/

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 13:12:11 2015 No.6361363 >>6361333 And failed hilariously every year until this year with KiA and briebart on their side

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 13:12:57 2015 No.6361364 >>6361356 >so if he and his friends lost it was clearly because people were politically biased against them They did at least learn something from the PoC Defense Force

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 13:31:57 2015 No.6361420 >Caring about the Hugos >Likening them to the Academy Awards Holy fuck lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 13:43:17 2015 No.6361462 >>6361363 What the hell is GG, the fucking boogeyman? I see every god damn thing wrong with the world blamed on them these days, what the fuck is up with people?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 13:52:26 2015 No.6361476 >>6361241 Beautifully egoist

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 13:55:38 2015 No.6361488 >their term for anyone who cares about anyone other than straight white cis men NOPE NO BIAS HERE

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 13:57:40 2015 No.6361495 >>6361488 What?

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 13:58:31 2015 No.6361505
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>>6361241
This whole fucking GG thing is so god damn cringe worthy. I hate when people say this because it is such a cop out to take the higher-than-though middle road, but both sides of this thing are acting like idiots.

I just read the comment sections of the huge 2015 nominee articles and these people don't know what the word conspiracy means.

They can't just man up and say they have an unpopular opinion. It's one thing to try and shift that and it's another to say that the popular view is caused by brainwashing from the scary nothingness that they have no evidence for.

I don't like the new jultra-sensitive-judgmental liberals either but this conspiracy shit is stupid

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 13:59:16 2015 No.6361507 >>6361495 In the article anon linked, about the term "SJW". Basically the same hyperbolic shit all lefties use

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:00:16 2015 No.6361511 >>6361507 You mean the same hyperbolic shit you just used?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:00:28 2015 No.6361512 >>6361505 As bad as GG has gotten, the people fighting them are so much fucking worse. Like really, just a big pack of some of the ugliest, meanest people I've ever seen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:00:30 2015 No.6361514 >>6361505 I like it, it's fun to watch

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:01:30 2015 No.6361519 >>6361511 I didn't use hyperbole.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:01:31 2015 No.6361520 >>6361507 I thought SJW was a term tumble social justice people called themselves?

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:04:24 2015 No.6361532

>>6361356
>(SJW — right-wing arseholes’ abbreviation for “Social Justice Warrior”, their term for anyone who cares about anyone other than straight white cis men).

Lmao

>This is strictly within the rules, but it’s the worst kind of entryism in that it denies the majority a voice.

"They didn't violate this spook, but they did violate that spook" lmao!

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:04:45 2015 No.6361533
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>>6361512
Not really, they are both horrible. One is utterly stupid and ultra sensitive, like if the wind hit them the right way they might have a panic attack, and the other is utterly stupid having a near heart attacks because they are so angry and afraid of people who have panic attacks over the wind.

>>6361514
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>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:05:52 2015 No.6361537 File: 492 KB, 460x345, 1421427445536.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6361519 >The same hyperbolic shit all lefties use >all lefties You don't know all lefties, you are exaggerating. You're either a hypocrite or an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:06:01 2015 No.6361540 >>6361520 Apparently only "right wing arseholes" who are intrinsically not just racist, but actively hateful lol

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:07:01 2015 No.6361545

>>6361533

Really? I mean, GG is basically /v/, so them being extremely angry all the time makes sense. But the kind of crap Anti-GG pulls seems so much worse. The public shaming, social pressure, doxing, attacking neutral parties, the list goes on.

I want nothing to do with either of them, but some part of me is glad the latter is being dragged out into the light of day.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:07:52 2015 No.6361548 >>6361537 I define lefties by their use of hyperbole in regards to their leftist politics.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:08:41 2015 No.6361552

>>6361241
"A professional game designer and early supporter of #GamerGate, [Vox] Day credited the gamers’ rebellion with giving hope to sci-fi fans:
"The connection between Sad Puppies and #GamerGate is that both groups are striking back against the left-wing control freaks who have subjected science fiction to ideological control for two decades and are now attempting to do the same thing in the game industry. #GamerGate has shown people in science fiction, in fantasy, in comics, and even in journalism that you don’t have to hide what you truly think anymore because SJWs are going to attack you and try to drive you out of a job. You can read, write, develop, and play what you want without fear of their disapproval.""
SJW G T F O

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:10:08 2015 No.6361557 >in my mind are only not considered a terrorist group because they’re white men who target less-privileged women lmao

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:10:47 2015 No.6361560 Honestly, I'm content. I don't like the idea of any group holding a monopoly on any kind of awards event, regardless of their politics. Competition is a good thing.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:11:02 2015 No.6361561
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>>6361545
>The public shaming, social pressure, doxing, attacking neutral parties, the list goes on.

GG does all of this. Both sides are huge anonymous groups on the internet that might have a decent portion of people made up of trolls or fake accounts. You cannot accurately show what GG or Anti-GG really looks like since someone can make x amount of fake accounts for either side and then portray that side in whatever actions they take.

I mean did you watch the GG threads? Everyone was fucking schizo paranoid calling everyone else a "shill" for not absolutely bowing down to the group think even when the group was full of fucking retards being led by fucking retards. They knew this and were afraid that the Anti-GGs were going to come o 4chan, say some shit, and then post back on tumblr or whatever as proof that GG did x.

Fucking. Retarded.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:11:11 2015 No.6361562

>>6361520
no, I think it started as a term against off the wall shit within the 'social justice' communities but I forget if it was started in group by people in those communities or by other tumblrs making fun of it
there were anti-sjw blogs on tumblr, ranging from fun to weird right wing at least a couple years before I saw it adopted by reddit/out groups

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:13:07 2015 No.6361569

>>6361548
So now you make up new definitions for commonly used words without letting anyone else know until after youre called out in order to backtrack hard enough to make yourself look correct? You're not fooling anyone, you're just a fucking hypocrite who is too lazy to take the time to create distinctions in arguments. Get out.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:13:10 2015 No.6361570

>>6361562
didn't really answer your question all the way- i forget if it started as an ingroup insult or not, but it's basically meaningless bc it can and is applied to everything from 'oh wow plantsexual dogkin is dumb' to 'women shouldn't be able to vote bring back slavery'

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:14:13 2015 No.6361573

>>6361561

I haven't seen GG do anything on the scale of that Shirt thing. It seems like the difference between the two opposing sides is that one has more popular support and influence (political/social) than the other, so despite using the same slimy, awful tactics the media is more willing to glorify one group and demonize the other.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:15:59 2015 No.6361581 >>6361573 Before I comment what exactly was the shirt thing? I stopped paying attention to GG in decemeber

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:17:39 2015 No.6361587 >>6361573 4chan users might look on the GG neckbeards with a slightly lesser amount of scorn since, although they're acting like idiots, it's less likely for them to be sincere idiots - whereas trolling for fun isn't part of the SJW culture

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:17:44 2015 No.6361588 >>6361299 >Literature kek

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:18:33 2015 No.6361589 >>6361552 Yeah, I have a hard time disagreeing with gamergate when websites nominally dedicated to talking about video games promote feminist agendas

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:18:59 2015 No.6361591

>>6361581

Shirtstorm, that guy who landed a probe on a comet getting publicly ripped apart and reduced to a tearful apology by the PC police for wearing a shirt (given to him as a present by a female friend) with drawings of women with sexy sci-fi outfits on.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:20:00 2015 No.6361596 >>6361561 Sure, but when did you accept that you're gay?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:21:12 2015 No.6361600 >>6361569 >implying I must be self consistent and must not contradict myself I can do whatever I like.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:22:02 2015 No.6361604 >>6361591 >reduced to a tearful apology His fault for being a pussy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:23:14 2015 No.6361606 File: 52 KB, 638x479, 1374533340181.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6361604 The guy was an awkward nerd who got barraged with hate on what was supposed to be one of the best days of his life, I don't blame him.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:24:57 2015 No.6361611

>>6361591
So you're trying to tell me that GG never messed with someone so hard that they cried?

Again I'm not fan of sjws and that shirt thing sounds like complete ass, but GG is more than capable and willing to jump the gun on some rumor and do the exact same thing.

I mean, for real, literally who? That entire situation is the exact same as what you just said. You may dislike her but GG was dead fucking wrong for weeks and couldnt accept it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:26:11 2015 No.6361616 >>6361600 >I can be retarded if I want Go ahead retard. Be retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:32:26 2015 No.6361636 I hope everyone votes no award in the categories they are the sole competitors. SJWs are annoying but those neo-reactionaries (even their fucking name is an oxymoron) deserve to be singled out and fade to obscurity.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:36:40 2015 No.6361644 >>6361636 They will. The hype train waits for no one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:38:12 2015 No.6361652 http://accordingtohoyt.com/2015/03/31/the-scarlet-letters/

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:39:19 2015 No.6361654 The result of all this is that a Hugo Award is no longer a pedigree of quality for me. Trust will never be regained.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:40:11 2015 No.6361660 >>6361611 Oh, I don't doubt it. But they wouldn't get a whole bunch of news sites egging them on and encouraging that kind of shaming. That's really the key difference between them. Who's Literally Who again? And what were they wrong about?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:41:50 2015 No.6361667 File: 16 KB, 231x244, 1408522850334.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Le Gamersgators did it because the sjw feminists said so >PoC and female literature is the future

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:41:51 2015 No.6361668

The only reason anyone would say they're against gamergate is because they have tranny friends or something weird like that. In fact, I'm almost convinced everyone in this thread saying WAH WAH GAMERGATERS ARE DUMB SMELLY NERDS WITH NO LIVES are some kind of shills.

There's literally an undercurrent of tranny weirdos and professional victims who have nothing to do with videogames but are trying to change videogames by shaming people into acquiescence. Gamergaters are against that. There's no reason to not be against that unless you're one of those tranny freaks or their orbiters.

I just don't get it. At the very least the people denouncing gamergate just want to ride the intellectual high-horse by saying both sides are dumb.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:42:01 2015 No.6361670 File: 789 KB, 247x166, 1369361441673.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >The Hugo Awards are a set of awards given annually for the best science fiction or fantasy works and achievements of the previous year. I want plebs to leave

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:44:40 2015 No.6361676 File: 46 KB, 480x480, 1406240494852.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6361299 >The hugo awards are a massive literature award event dude. The academy awards of /lit/

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:44:53 2015 No.6361677 >>6361668 Not really helping your case, especially because I've seen transexuals who do support Gamergate. Kind of seems idiotic to call some of your own supporters weirdos.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:45:04 2015 No.6361678 >>6361668 "Both sides are dumb" is always a safe bet. Always.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:45:52 2015 No.6361681 >>6361668 I am against both but if i had to pick at gunpoint i would pick so called "antis"

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:47:17 2015 No.6361688 >>6361616 Spooky

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:47:33 2015 No.6361690 >>6361681 Not the guy you're replying to but why?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:48:11 2015 No.6361693 >>6361681 Hope you like no fun in the future.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:49:45 2015 No.6361699

>>6361677

>your own supporters
>implying i follow gamergate THAT closely

I'm just saying, that's what it looks like in general.

>>6361678

Yeah, safe bet if you're one of those obnoxious unlikeable contrarians nobody gives a fuck about except to roll their eyes at, like I said.

>>6361681

Why?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:50:50 2015 No.6361704 >>6361690 Because most of their most unreasonable ones are just overzealous kids,and because GG is so obviously infected with /pol/ shit,and i don't mind that,but their denial bout it riles me up to no end.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:51:26 2015 No.6361708 Wait, does Hugo have a public ballot for their nominations? Then it's their own fault that ideological dissenters would try to gain some ground.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:51:55 2015 No.6361710
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>She was probably male, to judge from the angular mazelike patterns quilting her shirt. I wasn’t entirely certain. It wouldn’t have mattered, if I had been in Radch space. Radchaai don’t care much about gender, and the language they speak—my own first language—doesn’t mark gender in any way. The language we were speaking now did, and I could make trouble for myself if I used the wrong forms.
Kek, now I see why this won.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:53:42 2015 No.6361717 Can't we just celebrate our jetpack books without any politics?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:53:44 2015 No.6361718 >>6361704 Most of the crazies I've seen from the anti-side are grown ass adults. The fact that they've got kids enabling or encouraging their special brand of crazy doesn't win them any points in my book.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:53:49 2015 No.6361719

>>6361660
How do you know about the rest of GG, and make comments about it, when you don't know who literally who is?

She's the one (and the people who reacted to what she and some other supposedly, but didn't, do) who started all of this

I'd just tell you flat out but just saying her name might ruin this thread more than it already is

Your point about the news sites seems right though. However the right media seems to be accepting and pushing GG just as much as anti-GG was being pushed by left media.

Problem is is that the people who were at the center of this were in left media so it makes it seem like left media is making a much harder push. They didnt, it was just the people being attacking/called out attempting to defend themselves plus the left media doing what you said.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:54:44 2015 No.6361721 >>6361693 Sorry, political correctness or incorrectness has no effect on the amount of "fun" i get from a medium.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:57:33 2015 No.6361730 >>6361710 That's actually hilarious. There is such an obvious bias towards this strange ultra-PC culture in nerd shit nowadays it's unbelievable. From gay character retcons to this shit, it's just insane.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 14:59:26 2015 No.6361735 >>6361710 It must have very hard to write this, considering that the writer is afflicted with ham-hands

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:00:31 2015 No.6361741

>>6361718
Dude no, come on. Tumblr sjw is average age of at least 16. The file and rank are going to be around that age the "leaders" will be older because they need to be just a bit more "intelligent" and articulate.

It's the same with GG. The average user on /v/ that was the file and rank of GG was probably 16, with all of it's leaders being older than 18.

Seriously I don't understand how people dont see the very strong similarities between these two sides with just obvious differences in values being the main distinction.

They are both made up of large groups of hard to verify/track accounts on online websites.

Average user is probably 16 with leaders being in their 20's. The leaders are most likely getting something out of this monetarily.

They both use the same horrible ass backwards rhetoric with little to attention to detail.

They are both spooked. Hard. They think the end is coming for different things but because of the same illusions.

They both knee jerk at any given trigger whatever. They're addicted to this shit and want to be the first to be a part of the next big thing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:01:40 2015 No.6361745 >>6361730 Maybe people are just bored of the same old characters man.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:01:52 2015 No.6361746 File: 477 KB, 1200x1806, LeckiePhoto.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6361710 brilliant

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:03:25 2015 No.6361752 >>6361745 No, I'm fairly sure people are just fine with bald space marines or whatever epic tropes you're railing against, "man." Doesn't stop these neurotic little tales from being hilarious.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:03:56 2015 No.6361754

>>6361719

I don't really keep up on all the terminology, but I know what you're talking about now. While I don't think all the backlash she got was deserved, she honestly doesn't seem like a good person herself.

The parties backing GG seem to be mostly Right and Libertarian, though as much as "/pol/" has influenced them I've noticed quite a few disenfranchised/disillusioned Lefties among them as well. I don't think "The Left" as a whole are being attacked, just a very specific subset of them.

>>6361741

I actually agree with you there, which is probably why I've kept all this at semi-bent-arms length. On the face of it, I do think the push for "diversity" should include diversity of opinion and of politics (I don't think Liberal or Conservative should be a "dirty word"), which is what GG purportedly stands for, but the manner in which they conduct themselves is enough to keep me away.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:06:02 2015 No.6361759

>>6361611
>>6361719
You referring to the dev who was advertising for some game about depression? GG was only upset about her cuckolding her whiny ex with a few game professionals (isn't that when the "cuck" meme soared?), not about the unsavory advertising tactics - which they were probably wrong about but really only used as pretext

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:07:24 2015 No.6361764 >>6361752 >"man" Stop that. Actually they're not. Even YA books are dying out because of this very reason and NA is coming in just because it has variety. But I mean, you can keep eating the same old shit grandpa. Nobody is stopping you.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:07:34 2015 No.6361765

>>6361752
Actually many aren't.The core audience is changing and so is the literature they will consume,i'm not saying space marine stuff ot whatever should go away,but expect to see it subverted,and stories about whole different stories come up.
It's not a conspiracy you know,that ridiculous ultra PC stuff (that i don't personally like) is actually bought and enjoyed by people that have every right as me to call themselves fans of SF.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:07:57 2015 No.6361768 >>6361759 Nah, it was and still is primarily about the sex-for-coverage thing (what they were wrong about was her getting an actual "review"). Though you are right, I do think that's when the whole cuck thing started.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:08:03 2015 No.6361769
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>>6361710

>Ancillary Justice is a space opera set thousands of years in the future, where the primary galactic power is the expansionist Radch empire, which uses AIs to control human bodies ("ancillaries") that are used as soldiers. The Radchaai do not distinguish people by gender, and Leckie conveys this by using female personal pronouns for everybody, or by having the Radchaai main character guess wrongly when she has to use languages with gender-specific pronouns.

lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:08:14 2015 No.6361770 >>6361741 Could it be seen as an instance of cultural narcissism? I mean, the way proGG and antiGG talk about their niche electronic toys, you get the impression that their whole world depends whether or not big boobies are "sexist".

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:09:56 2015 No.6361776

>>6361765

I think there should be room for both kinds of literature, and neither rapidly politically correct nor rabidly politically incorrect (and all the shades inbetween) should be shamed into nonexistence if there is a market for both. That's about the extent of my opinion on the whole subject.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:12:39 2015 No.6361784
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>>6361754
>While I don't think all the backlash she got was deserved, she honestly doesn't seem like a good person herself.

OK. You need to stop yourself and seriously consider what you just said and what you said eariler about what you didn't like about anti-GG

>But the kind of crap Anti-GG pulls seems so much worse. The public shaming, social pressure, doxing, attacking neutral parties, the list goes on.

>She doesn't seem like a good person so she somewhat deserves public shaming, social pressure, doxing, and attacks, the list goes on.
>Because I don't this stranger who I have never met or care about seems like a good person

You sound like the thought police that you are supposed to be against.

The rest I roughly agree with. Both sides suck, most people suck at debate and politics.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:12:52 2015 No.6361786

>>6361717
Jetpack-core has a lot of politics. I can't tell you how many times I've read about scarred space marines muttering about 'those damn liberals' or some holier than thoughs tut-tuting over some primitive person's sexual or religious beliefs being backward.
You get easy hype by confirming your target demo's biases.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:14:08 2015 No.6361790

>>6361769
>do not distinguish people by gender, and Leckie conveys this by using female personal pronouns for everybody
I can see that being good for a laugh, except the idea isn't new and when stretched novel-length hasn't been considered anything but childish in a long while.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:14:36 2015 No.6361792

>>6361759
>not about the unsavory advertising tactics

Maybe you didn't care about it, and good on you with the other GG members who were like you, but you would have to purposefully looking away half the time in those early GG threads to not see the blatant hate for her supposedly having sex with journalists to promote her game, which was completely false and known to be for weeks with threads still throwing it around constantly as true.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:15:25 2015 No.6361794 >>6361786 >I can't tell you how many times I've read about scarred space marines muttering about 'those damn liberals' I'm not surprised you can't tell me how many times you've seen that, because you probably couldn't name a single instance.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:16:12 2015 No.6361799

>>6361784

I don't believe she should have been shamed, pressured, doxed, or attacked, regardless of what you think of my intent. But I do believe she should have been held accountable for her actions, and more, I think the people who enabled her should have been held accountable. I also think her boyfriend should have sought out the proper channels if he was being abused by her rather than making the post that set things off, no matter how good his intentions were.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:16:19 2015 No.6361800 >>6361420 The Academy Awards are corrupt, lazy, and broken. It's an insult to be compared to them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:16:26 2015 No.6361801 >>6361776 That's fine. Your side, the bald marine side, is still the far majority. You know this. Other minorities are just having some space to try things out and make headway. Just more competition for better stories.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:17:49 2015 No.6361807 File: 16 KB, 300x252, skeletor.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >MY FACE WHEN THE PEOPLE WHO THINK OF THEMSELVES AS TOLERANT OF OTHERS ARE INTOLERANT OF AUTHORS AND BOOKS BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT IDEOLOGIES

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:18:13 2015 No.6361809 >>6361799 Be more specific then when you say vague things like "held accountable" or "somewhat to blame". Maybe that wasnt your attention but it's hard to get what you mean from statements like that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:18:22 2015 No.6361810 >>6361799 Not the guy who you replied but if the alleged journalist she slept with catched 10% of the flack she got i might actually believe the "ethics in journalism" schtick

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:18:30 2015 No.6361811

>>6361792

>which was completely false

Well, not entirely. It'd be more accurate to say that someone she was sleeping with (and who even got thanked in the credits of her game) gave her favorable coverage without disclosure than to say that she slept with him for that favorable coverage. I think the onus is really on him for that, not for her.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:19:36 2015 No.6361812 >>6361810 Isn't he, to this day, one of their primary targets? Basically whenever anything bad happens to him they're the first to crow about it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:19:47 2015 No.6361813 >>6361807 What's your face when said authors get their reactonary buttbuddies to game the voting process?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:20:12 2015 No.6361815 >>6361363 >play crooked game >get outplayed >complain the rurus are unfair now

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:21:03 2015 No.6361820

>>6361807
Well if an ideology is kill blackies then to be tolerant you have to be intolerant of that ideology. I mean, just stop thinking in dichotomies.

Being tolerant doesn't necessarily mean just accepting everything. Maybe dumb 14 year olds just learning about politics might say that, but that sort of rhetoric, and the rhetoric against it, should be grown out of.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:21:05 2015 No.6361821 >>6361812 Grayson?I frequent pro and anti sites and nobody talks about him at all,for several months.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:22:51 2015 No.6361827 >>6361811 She got no coverage. It's false. People say GG ain't so bad when their very first mistake still hasn't been cleared up. Not exactly easy but shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:22:53 2015 No.6361829 >>6361532 >lol spooks roflmao stop posting

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:24:12 2015 No.6361835 >>6361820 Okay, well liberals have >kill all men so they fall into the same ideology of wanting to kill blackies. >>6361813 Same face I make in reaction to all voting processes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:25:41 2015 No.6361842 >>6361835 >Okay, well liberals have >kill all men so they fall into the same ideology of wanting to kill blackies. You're going to have to try that again. I don't understand what you are saying.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:26:29 2015 No.6361845

>>6361827

She literally did get coverage. It wasn't in a separate article all about her game though, it was in one about a bunch of indie titles.

>>6361821

Really? I see him get talked about a decent amount, along with that Burch guy. More than the girl that kicked things off these days, but not nearly as much as that crazy person who made that mobile game with the weird-looking women in it, who I still don't know why she has anything to do with anything.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:27:51 2015 No.6361848

>>6361842

I think what he means is that, if to be tolerant you should be intolerant of ideologies that say shit like "kill all the darkies", then it should go without saying that to be tolerant you should also be intolerant of ideologies that say shit like "kill all men".

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:28:06 2015 No.6361849 >>6361845 Link to this favorable coverage please

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:28:55 2015 No.6361858 >>6361820 Open incitement to violence has never been protected speech. What the hell are you talking about?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:29:29 2015 No.6361861 >>6361708 bump for explanation

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:29:45 2015 No.6361862

>>6361848
Ok, why would that be a problem? If someone had an ideology of kill all men, only those who wanted to kill themselves already would be on board. Everyone else would naturally be intolerant of this person.

I'm not asking you obviously,I'm asking the other anon you translated.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:30:55 2015 No.6361873 >>6361858 What is all war propaganda for just one example What the fuck are you talking about?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:31:25 2015 No.6361875 >>6361849 https://archive.today/NeJis https://archive.today/tUlkm Not really worth all the hubbub GG people kicked up about it, but there it is.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:31:58 2015 No.6361877
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>>6361794
You must not read much military science fiction. In "Death's Head" the MC is on transport full of revolutionaries going to to a political prisoner colony and everyone is shitting themselves and being huge pussies and the MC is like "Ugh, typical liberals". Its a pretty fun book though, tbh.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:34:33 2015 No.6361886 >>6361875 Oh you're right, there are mentions of her there by him. My bad. But you are right, again, this isn't the kind of coverage GG was making it out to be in anyway. The second one is less to do about her and more about Maker studios.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:34:40 2015 No.6361887 >>6361873 >he thinks war propaganda incites the military to violence Yeah, those men in uniform wouldn't harm a fly if it weren't for all those Slap a Jap posters back home that they never see.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:35:24 2015 No.6361892 >>6361877 >Starship Troopers meets Schwarzenegger's Commando Brb bookstore

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:35:27 2015 No.6361893 >genre fiction TÖPPEL KEKU Ö P P E L K E K U

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:37:41 2015 No.6361906

>>6361887
Actually as a Japanese-american I can tell you that quite a lot of non-Japanese-americans who knew Japanese-americans didnt jump on board as easily about what was going on before the war effort. A lot of my older relatives have pretty weird stories about how white-americans dealt with them during those years, especially the poorer farmers who a lot of the Japanese-americans were located near.

It's like you think propaganda is done because nations like to waste money when they are fighting for their very existence.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:38:29 2015 No.6361910

>>6361849
Gooblygabber here I don't even know why anti-gg is getting so upset about this. It's not even vidya.
https://archive.today/iS4Ru
https://archive.today/bsfJb
He's also in the credits for her online choose your own adventure novel that has worse writing then goosebumps choose your own adventure books.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:40:53 2015 No.6361917 >>6361910 You mean you don't know why GG is getting so upset about this?

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:41:45 2015 No.6361918

>>6361845
Talked about as in look at this great articled/biased piece of clickbait.
But in terms of vicious attacks he got jackshit compared to what came on her.
Yeah that developer self inserted so hard and GG took the bait.Same thing TB did more recently and aGG took his bait too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:43:28 2015 No.6361926 >>6361918 What did TB do?

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:44:12 2015 No.6361929

>>6361906
I think we've gotten off track.

This started with a total straw man about the idea of not accepting ideologies that say "kill all blacks" when we're talking about modern science fiction writers.

It's just a bait and switch. "Well of course we shouldn't be tolerant of people who say things that openly advocate violence toward specific groups, right?" Then everyone nods. At that point you switch out "advocating violence" for any of a number of lesser crimes such as just being a garden variety bigot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:46:21 2015 No.6361940 >>6361917 Sorry I meant the Hugo awards for why they would be upset. Autism, and a bunch of discontent between the media and what makes gg now is why gamergate would be upset for those archives.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:49:45 2015 No.6361952 >>6361926 He got involved in a "I'm not GG ,but..." way and antis lost their shit

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:52:14 2015 No.6361959 [SPOILER]

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>>6361561
I just don't understand why people keep trying to pick a side. Sarkeesian and Quinn are cynical mediawhores but who fucking cares, games journalism is a joke anyway. Anyone who cares about GG one way or another is a retard.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:52:19 2015 No.6361960

>>6361929
Well of course it's a bait and switch when you leave it vague as hell like that. Look.

Tolerant means putting up with.

People don't want to put up with blacks, or whatever. The garden variety bigot like you said.

Then people don't want to tolerate the above, like you said. How they don't tolerate those people is probably the meat of what is going on here.

Then people don't tolerate the above people because of x (maybe it's the content, reactionaries who don't like blacks and so don't like those who tolerate blacks, or, maybe they just don't like how the group above doesn't tolerate the first group)

I mean what the fuck is the big deal of having minority characters in books? There is no take over, there is no conspiracy. Values are now more varied, and they are BARELY more varied then what they were before. Compare what the fuck we are debating about compared to what Japan considers tolerable. A huge chunk of that would not be considered tolerable in the slightest in America, and that is coming from both sides (vague right and left)

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:54:11 2015 No.6361965 >>6361952 Oh that, that didnt seem like that big of deal? He even had a decent interview with someone from...kataku I think.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 15:57:23 2015 No.6361978

>>6361910
>It's not even vidya.
That's what annoys me about GG so much.Antis are primarily in it for the culture war and they are pretty honest about it.Ofc they are gonna latch on to this,vidya or not.
Meanwhile,GG acts as culture warey as them,tangling with every right-winger that wants to make a buck out of them,but then pretend its all about vidya.
If you want to be believed that you actually only care about vidya and journalism make it so,cut the antiSJW shit,and police yourelves

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 17:14:03 2015 No.6362270

>>6361960
I think everyone that appreciates SF would appreciate more diverse perspectives, but disagree over whether that diversity should be made a big deal over or not. I mean, if you make a big deal over it, then you'll never know if they're being sincere or just pandering.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 17:27:44 2015 No.6362323 >>6361505 I agree. It's legbeards vs neckbeards and it's fun to watch. I could give less of a damn who comes out on top. Just seeing how this has become such a massive shitstorm is entertaining

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 17:31:19 2015 No.6362337 >>6361548 I define righties by their use of hyperbole in regards to their right wing politics.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 17:31:43 2015 No.6362338

Wisdom from My Internets, at least, is pure trash.
http://www.amazon.com/Wisdom-From-Internet-Michael-Williamson-ebook/dp/B00QZV08SW

It's not about SF/Fantasy in anyway (as far as I can tell from the preview), the "jokes" are stale or just plan bad, it's just drivel through and through.

>>	twinshia Sun Apr 5 17:35:01 2015 No.6362348 GG is basically a fight against crypto-stalinists.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 17:35:09 2015 No.6362350 >Reading this year's nominations >DRAMATIC PRESENTATION (LONG FORM) >Interstellar screenplay by Jonathan Nolan and Christopher Nolan BRAVO R A V O

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 17:36:08 2015 No.6362353 File: 46 KB, 604x614, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6362348 >crypto Stalinists Glenn beck pls go

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 17:36:33 2015 No.6362354

>>6361462
They didn't actually do the Hugo Awards, so I don't know what OP is talking about. The bullshit currently happening is by some group called Sad Puppies, I think.

GamerGate has long outlived its purpose, and was on shaky ground to start with as many of its early claims were based on a lack of any evidence other than hearsay and anecdote. The only real thing they managed to achieve was the exposure of GJP and getting the Escapist to change its staffing.

The only thing they do now is screencap neoliberals on twitter and snark at them and fight amongst themselves.

Most people here hate them because /v/ invaded every board with "muh slippery slope" and insisting that if some progressive fuckhead managed to get even an inch of traction video games were fucking over and so was every other artistic medium. Along with /pol/ they also came up with the epic meme that moot was an SJW despite being an overall okay guy and more or less drove him off his own site.

Not to mention they have a heavy us vs. them attitude and throw the phrase "SJW" which originally meant "left-wing person with extremist views and was a sanctimonious fuck about having them" to "person who disagrees with me on the internet".

On the whole the group is composed of like, the worst of /v/, /pol/ and conservative reddit.

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Sun Apr 5 17:59:05 2015 No.6362432 File: 34 KB, 500x323, tumblr_inline_nlorit6Nhl1sv3bdi_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6362348 >crypto-stalinists

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:04:16 2015 No.6362453 >>6361241 Gamergate is dumb but this wasn't fucking them go complain about how you got raped because someone said you were ugly elsewhere Brianna Wu.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:15:59 2015 No.6362500 I follow several left-leaning fantasy and science fiction writers on social media. Seeing them in rage mode over this is amusing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:20:25 2015 No.6362516 >>6361277 Why do people even give a shit about video game criticism? Video games are some of the most intellectually irrelevant and vapid media in existence.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:21:36 2015 No.6362520 >>6362516 Because muh slippery slope. Idiots from /v/ think if the extreme left get their mitts on criticism somehow their medium will be compromised, even if that's demonstrably untrue.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:22:38 2015 No.6362525 >>6362520 So you're saying /v/ is right wing? Doesn't seem to be true from what I've seen of the board

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:25:19 2015 No.6362538

>>6361241
The nominations this year in the Hugo Awards are better than they've been in the past five years combined. There's no Dinosaur porn this time. The Hugo Awards have been shit for a long time and have been politically motivated for the past half a decade. Now some other group has hijacked the process from the group that had been hijacking it and everyone throws a shitfit?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:30:13 2015 No.6362561 >>6362525 The only times I've been there I've seen the SJW boogeyman thrown around. Maybe most of them fucked off to b8 chan after the epic "moot sold 4chan out" meme.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:32:54 2015 No.6362574

>>6362561

The term SJW isn't criticizing feminists or liberals, it's criticizing those with an extreme black and white with us or against us view

You can be plenty liberal or feminist and reasonably call out social justice warrior content on the internet as harmful or poisonous

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:33:24 2015 No.6362578 >muh genre fiction

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:34:38 2015 No.6362585

>>6362561
Being opposed to SJWs does not make someone right wing, it makes someone not far left authoritarian.

I mean do you seriously think shit like >>6361710 deserves to win? I know sff fiction is pleb to begin with, but that reads like a fucking 12 year old wrote it. i know SFF can be better than that because I've read better.

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Sun Apr 5 18:35:09 2015 No.6362588 >>6362574 Yes but it's such a loose term that it gets applied by any White Nationalist to anyone who isn't a reactionary keyboard warrior. So, it's natural for anyone to get confused over what you mean when you use the term negatively.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:37:25 2015 No.6362597

itt: rightwing shills and manchilds, if there's any campaign it appears to be a rightwing one to hijack the hugos

Science fiction has always been liberal/left wing.

As for gamer gate, if someone was interested in honesty in journalism why the fuck would you pick VIDEOGAMES as the area to begin looking? Look at how the media presents Americas wars of aggression and meddling in the Middle East.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:37:38 2015 No.6362599 >>6362585 It's an intriguing concept that subverts expectations and makes the reader rethink their previous views. That's kind of what science fiction is supposed to do. I don't see the problem.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:38:55 2015 No.6362605 >>6362597 And if you want to complain about hugos being hijacked, just look back at when harry potter won

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:39:05 2015 No.6362606 File: 22 KB, 480x600, FrpzE4f.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >I am a feminist and I stand against Gamergate

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:40:28 2015 No.6362613

>>6362599
>It's an intriguing concept that subverts expectations and makes the reader rethink their previous views.
No it isn't, it's fucking juvenile, poorly written garbage.

Also to subvert expectations you need to establish expectations first. The reader has no expectations about this non-existent species before reading the book, thus they have no expectations. God, sci-fi readers are actually this fucking stupid.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:41:00 2015 No.6362616 >>6362561 >Not criticising bourgeois liberal SJWs from the left of the left

Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Sun Apr 5 18:41:50 2015 No.6362621
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>>6362606

You know that fedora shit came from tumblr and reddit as a way to describe the overlap between right wing teenagers, nu-atheists, right libertarians, general misogynists, and people with reactionary tendencies if worse right.

And that makes up a majority of the base of #Gamer#Gate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:42:30 2015 No.6362626 >>6361710 God forbid an alien race be gender neutral Whoever heard of looking at things in a different way in a science fiction story? For shame.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:42:41 2015 No.6362628 >>6362354 >screencap neoliberals on twitter >neoliberals

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:43:08 2015 No.6362631

>>6362574
>or against us view
>"Everyone who disagrees with me must be an extremist liberal shill!"
This is why I despise people who use the term regularly. It is, as >>6362585 said, supposed to be a term for liberal extremists, but retards from /v/ and /pol/ like to just toss it at their opponents if someone doesn't absolutely bow to GamerGate's hyperbolic overreaction to liberals or progressives invading their media.

Extremist dumbfucks have been criticizing media for years and there hasn't been widespread censorship of any medium to the point where one radical view dominates all. Don't be fucking stupid.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:43:46 2015 No.6362633 >>6362613 The expectations of an evil for the sake of evil aliens in a standard space opera?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:44:38 2015 No.6362638 Why are people blaming GamerGate for this? GamerGate didn't even know what the Hugo Awards is until people started blaming them. Do SJWs think right wingers don't read sci-fi or something?

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:45:00 2015 No.6362640

>>6362585
Also, nowhere in my post did I say that piece was good. Book awards, especially book awards for genre fiction, are horseshit anyway, so why do you care?

Oh wait, you're just a reactionary fuck that feels like if you don't one-up your political opponents in the pettiest bullshit imaginable you can't feel superior.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:45:43 2015 No.6362647 File: 5 KB, 183x275, images.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6362621 >It's great that 4chan has become a paradise for social justice and feminism

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:46:34 2015 No.6362652

>>6362633
There's no expectation of that either. In fact lots of Space Opera fiction have only humans playing prominent roles.
>>6362640
>Book awards, especially book awards for genre fiction, are horseshit anyway, so why do you care?
I don't think "It's shit and politically motivated and it's always been that way so you shouldn't bother critiquing or trying to fix it" is a good excuse, especially when you yourself are attacking the Hugo Awards for the most recent set of nominations.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:47:05 2015 No.6362653 >>6362638 This. Most of the target audience for video games are either too stupid to read books or have severe learning disabilities that make finishing a complete book impossible for them.

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Sun Apr 5 18:47:19 2015 No.6362655 In general it's safe to assume someone who flings around the term SJW easily is either highly influenced or actively using the term to associate criticism of themselves with a type of person easily disregarded.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:47:30 2015 No.6362656

>>6362621
No, fedora was orginally from 4chan to refer to "Enlightened by my intelligence" new atheism and then what you described occurred and now the word has been bastardized along with neckbeard to just mean "nerd I dislike"
Fucking tripfags I swear to god.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:48:37 2015 No.6362658 >>6362656 >fedora was orginally from 4chan to refer to "Enlightened by my intelligence" new atheism >originally 4chan Except that entire meme originated with a pretentious guy on reddit

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Sun Apr 5 18:48:38 2015 No.6362660 >>6362647 I wouldn't make that claim, because it isn't.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:48:42 2015 No.6362661 >>6362628 Sorry, I meant "progressive liberals". For some reason I thought neoliberals were a similar to position to neoconservatives; ie, reactionary fucks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:49:51 2015 No.6362665 >Blaming Gamergate and not SadPuppy >SJWs just blaming GG for brownie points So Tumblr has taken over /lit/

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:49:54 2015 No.6362669 >>6362658 Yeah, by 4channers mocking him.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:50:17 2015 No.6362672 >>6362652 >when you yourself are attacking the Hugo Awards for the most recent set of nominations Sorry, where did I do that? Are you assuming I'm OP and give a fuck about the Hugo Awards?

Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Sun Apr 5 18:50:34 2015 No.6362673

>>6362656

Regardless of where it came from, (I was here in 2013 and earlier, I do not remember that at all), it's non coincedental Nu-Atheist pretentiousness overlaps with various forms of internet sub-cultures, mostly considering themselves under ground or right-leaning.

These people overlap ideologically.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:50:40 2015 No.6362675 >>6362658 >Alewess is from reddit >2013 was two years ago Well, I'll be dammed. Going to go outside for a bit then. Time to stop posting.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:51:09 2015 No.6362677 >>6362661 Umm, no. Neoliberalism is an economic framework based on free trade, privatization and deregulation. Not an equivalent to neoconservatism.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:52:24 2015 No.6362679 >>6362672 So you have no problems with the Hugo Award nomination this year? Okay. >>6362665 >So Tumblr has taken over /lit/ It's literally one guy. Most of /lit/ is too busy reading actual literature to give a shit about the fantasy plebs.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:53:23 2015 No.6362686

>>6362673
>Regardless of where it came from
Then what the fuck are you doing on 4chan if you're gonna spouts memes without at least knowing their origins?

Oh wait you're spouting your dumbass opinions like it's fact. Being a tripfag only makes it worse.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:54:23 2015 No.6362687 this thread is triggering to those troubled by spooks

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:54:33 2015 No.6362689 I wanted to enjoy the news of my favorite genre fiction awards ceremony, not witness one-sided turd flinging from the science fiction and fantasy writers I keep up with on twitter

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:54:35 2015 No.6362690

>>6362677
I know that now; I just checked after you called me on it. I meant progressives like Chu or whatever. They'll just screencap them saying something stupid and will be like "lmao look at this person we disagree with saying something dumb I'm so witty". That's all they seem to do. That or just brigading to accomplish petty bullshit, like currently they're vote brigading to try to knock Sarkeesian off the Time Top 100 Influential Persons award. Seems like a useful endeavor and definitely not a total waste of time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:55:35 2015 No.6362692 >>6362686 >Caring about where a meme came from Are you seriously the kind of autistic poster who reads and learns to regurgitate every knowyourmeme article ever whenever you see a meme on 4chan?

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:56:11 2015 No.6362694

>>6362679
>So you have no problems with the Hugo Award nomination this year? Okay.
Nigga, I don't fucking care. It's a genre fiction award. Some faggots decided to vote-brigade their political views into an awards show that is dominated by people attempting to do so. Who gives a fuck?

Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Sun Apr 5 18:56:57 2015 No.6362697

>>6362686
>Then what the fuck are you doing on 4chan if you're gonna spouts memes without at least knowing their origins?

Because I don't remember seeing this at all. I just recently decided to come back. I went on tumblr and didn't really come back to 4chan for obvious reasons. Now I'm back here, and I am saying I don't remember in my time previous in 2013 before I left, that happening. What I do remember, is people on tumblr using this joke to describe the type of people described, while previously on 4chan there was nothing of the sort.

This isn't exactly to say I'm infallible. But Nu-Atheists, pretentious people, tend to be right leaning scumbags, how shocking.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:57:18 2015 No.6362699 >>6362694 You're the one arguing with me about it. The way I see it the books nominated his year are better than the ones throughout the previous half decade, so if this new clique is going to be briganding at least they have better taste.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 18:58:18 2015 No.6362702 >>6362673 >I was here in 2013 and earlier Is this supposed to be some point of pride or something, newfag? Fuck off tripfag.

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Sun Apr 5 18:59:01 2015 No.6362705 >>6362702 No. But it does involve what I'm saying. I take no pride in posting on 4chan, believe me, you're safe from that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 19:02:57 2015 No.6362721 >>6362697 hi Feminister

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Sun Apr 5 19:03:50 2015 No.6362724 >>6362721 Not Feminister. Didn't even have a trip back then. :)

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 19:04:41 2015 No.6362730

>>6362699
You said "oh I bet you think this nomination was good" when I said whinging about some dumbfuck awards show was retarded and how reactionary dipshits from /v/ throw around "SJW" for anyone who isn't a staunch neckbeard like they are. Then I said "Nowhere in the post did I imply that was good and caring about whether some leftist piece winning some ultimately unimportant award is petty as fuck", then you accused me of attacking the Hugo Awards nominations, which nowhere did I do so. Then I said I didn't care, and you said "Oh so you think the nominations are good then, okay."

God, I fucking hate arguing with you fucks. Not everyone who disagrees with you is involved in some petty turf war over political alignment. Complaining about vote brigading and political extremism during an award notable for vote brigading and political extremism is fucking dumb. Fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 19:05:45 2015 No.6362732 So is any of the works presented to the Hugo award good?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 19:07:34 2015 No.6362742 >>6362732 It's genre fiction for man-children. What do you think?

G 0 D B L 3 ß !zR/LhJxu0Q Sun Apr 5 19:08:29 2015 No.6362744

>>6362626
>looking at things in a different perspective
That's the thing, this isn't a new or different perspective, its been the academic status quo for video games/sci-fi/fantasy for awhile now.
Its a washed out trope that's winning "academic"-circles and popularity points because of its political correctness.

>>	G 0 D B L 3 ß !zR/LhJxu0Q Sun Apr 5 19:12:03 2015 No.6362761 >>6362724 You're tripping as Foucault and you're whining about super spooky (no Stirner referrence intended) reactionaries. How blatantly ideological can you be?

>>	Chomsky-kun !EfVwyVp5SE Sun Apr 5 19:12:55 2015 No.6362766 >>6362724 >>6362744 Shut up faggots.

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Sun Apr 5 19:13:43 2015 No.6362770 File: 75 KB, 500x336, FOUKYOULT.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6362761 Blatantly ideological.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 19:13:51 2015 No.6362772 >>6362761 irl Foucault is indirectly but singlehandedly responsible for much of Sociology, Anthropology and Geography scholarship turning into a complete joke

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 19:14:18 2015 No.6362774 >>6362699 in the Best Novel category at least, the non-clique novels are easily the best (Goblin Emperor and Ancillary Justice)

>>	Slavoj "Pussyplayer" Zizek(...) Sun Apr 5 19:15:05 2015 No.6362776 >>6362766 you shut up, gulag candidate

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 19:16:44 2015 No.6362782 >>6361345 This. Fuck off with your worthless thread.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 19:18:16 2015 No.6362790 >>6362766 Chomsky Honk

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 19:20:30 2015 No.6362800 >>6362772 Social justice warriors proving time and time again they've corrupted our most sacred academic studies.

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Sun Apr 5 19:21:31 2015 No.6362805 >>6362772 Not really.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 19:22:01 2015 No.6362806 >>6362800 and your mom as well t. social justice warrior

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 19:33:36 2015 No.6362841 >>6362800 >>>/v/

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 19:41:16 2015 No.6362867 [DELETED]

>>6362597
>Science fiction has always been liberal/left wing.

Not enough for some people, apparently. Last night I saw William Shatner getting yelled at on Twitter, accused of homophobia or something, for not taking some fanfic retard's "shipping" crap seriously enough.

There's a backlash against the fake outrage that social justice types use to make themselves feel important.

Despite how it looks when you do a search on GG or anything related to it, I doubt more than 1% of the population really cares one way or the other about the fear-mongering and cry-baby politics of the professionally offended, or about the backlash from ultra-right-wing nuts who see an opportunity to present themselves as only the second craziest party in the room. Obviously, when you go on the internet, you're only going to hear the extremists, who shout over everyone else.

As for the Hugo Awards in particular, their nomination system is incredibly dumb, so it's really hard to care about what happens or feel bad for anyone who got screwed.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 19:56:16 2015 No.6362933

>>6362597
>Science fiction has always been liberal/left wing.

Not enough for some people, apparently. Last night I saw William Shatner getting yelled at on Twitter, accused of homophobia or something, for not taking some fanfic retard's "shipping" crap seriously enough.

As for GG, etc. (and possibly Sad Puppies as well, but I haven't done my research), it's just part of the predictable backlash against modern social justice bigots and the fake outrage they use to make themselves feel important. A lot of people in GG called themselves liberals until the rest of the internet decided they were ultra-conservatives just for disagreeing with people who call themselves feminists. I just think the whole thing is really hilarious, because you can't be critical of game journalism anymore without being accused of misogyny. Kind of a non sequitur.

>why the fuck would you pick VIDEOGAMES as the area to begin looking?

It does seem kind of silly. Video game journalism is so inconsequential. Incidentally, though, game journalism is also a fucking joke, honestly. They have no professionalism and ... well, I know this is kind of a meme, at this point, but they really have no sense of ethics. They're honestly shit. So why focus on them? Because: they stood out like a sore thumb, as a shitstain on the industry, and this was known long before GG started; and, more importantly, because that's what the GG folks are interested in. Video games are their thing. I don't take it as seriously as they do, but ... well, they do.

Anyway, despite how it looks when you do a search on GG or anything related to it, I doubt more than 1% of the population really cares one way or the other about the fear-mongering and cry-baby politics of the professionally offended, or about the backlash from ultra-right-wing nuts who see an opportunity to present themselves as only the second craziest party in the room. Obviously, when you go on the internet, you're only going to hear the extremists, who shout over everyone else.

As for the Hugo Awards in particular, their nomination system is incredibly dumb, so it's really hard to care about what happens or feel bad for anyone who got screwed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 20:03:24 2015 No.6362951 The Phillip k. dick awards are better.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 20:05:26 2015 No.6362961 The whole coverage about sad puppies http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/04/04/hugo-awards-nominations-swept-by-anti-sjw-anti-authoritarian-authors/ You guys are some salty motherfucker :^)

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 20:21:26 2015 No.6363022 >stub my toe THANKS GAMERGATE >I spill my milk THANKS GAMERGATE >It rains THANKS GAMERGATE >I get a flat tire THANKS OBAM-I MEAN GAMERGATE

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 20:29:14 2015 No.6363057 >>6363022 Well memed, good sir.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 20:43:08 2015 No.6363119 >>6361363 sjws BTFO by sockpuppets and a tabloid site

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 21:14:31 2015 No.6363250

>>6361815

This. The Hugos haven't been a straight game for a long long time. SF/F has been degrading for a while now. Most of the authors haven't heard of Vance or Dunsany or Heinlein, and a lot of people disregard older authors for their political views as if that has some bearing on how good their work is. That partially explains why modern speculative fiction is so fucking derivative as its written by people with piss-poor genre history.

The whole thing is a mess, the Hugos are just the tip of the fucking iceberg.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 22:15:47 2015 No.6363474

I find it hilarious that right wingers that the left has hijacked sci fi. Yeah lol the fucking genre created by fucking commies in the 19th century with utopian socialist fiction was so totally right wing.

This entire thing is just assmad right wingers thinking there is a conspiracy because nobody in scifi likes their shit So they themselves literally create a conspiracy to hijack the awards to push only far-right authors.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 22:24:29 2015 No.6363520
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There are many brands of atheism, but they all have some points in common. First, one common point is that none have a rational explanation of the objectivity of moral rules.

Not all cultures agree on what priority to place on various moral rules, but one thing that is so obvious about moral rules is that they are objective. When guilt pricks us, it does not say we betray a matter of taste or opinion; the feeling of guilt is the feeling of having offended a law. When injustice rankles, we do not accuse those who trespass against us of having breached a matter of taste or opinion; we refer to a standard we expect the other to know and acknowledge. We cannot help it.

In all human experience, everything is open to doubt but this. No man with a working conscience can escape the knowledge. It is the one thing we cannot not know. And yet atheists are at a loss to explain it.

I do not call atheists immoral, but I note they cannot give a rational reason to account for morality.

In any atheist worldview, moral laws are an invention of man and serve his contingent purposes, or an imposition of Darwinian survival mechanisms that serve the contingent purposes of the Selfish Gene. Such purposes as the preservation of life or the pursuit of happiness are subjective, hence not laws at all. Whether selected by nature or by man, if moral maxims are selected merely as a means to an arbitrary end, they are merely expedient conveniences.

If I avoid murder and theft only because this decreases my odds in the lottery of reproduction, then when circumstances arise where murder and theft increase rather than decrease my odds, what reason can any man give me to avoid murder and theft? If I eschew lying only because it causes me self satisfaction to live with a sense of integrity, what reason can any man give me to eschew lying on the day when I discover lying satisfies me more?

A second common point is that no atheist of whatever school can account for the rationality of the universe: that is, none can account for the fact that the abstractions of math and the concrete things of physics so perfectly happen to match.

Atheists either must take rationality as a given, or assume that the processes of the universe evolved man to think in a procedure called logic. But if an unthinking Darwinian process formed our thinking process, we have no reason to assume the thinking process is truly rational, as opposed to a merely useful self-deception.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 22:59:22 2015 No.6363666

>>6362621
>>6362621
>>6362656
Meme historian here. The first use of "Tips Fedora" dates back to April 4th 2012 on a /v/ discussion on white knights. So the term was initially used as a stereotype of feminist males. SJWs appropriated (heh) the image of a fedora tipping gentlesir to refer to euphoric redditors and 4channers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 23:01:43 2015 No.6363680 >>6363520 Is this copypasta?

Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Sun Apr 5 23:03:57 2015 No.6363693
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>>6363666

Well I mean, it was probably because their were more examples of Euphoric redditors and bizare reactionaries fitting into than feminist men, but again, it all overlaps.

In general there were still more examples of euphoric reditors using it, you gotta admit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 23:06:02 2015 No.6363702 >>6363680 It's the words of John C. Wright, Catholic convert and 2015 Hugo Nominee. http://www.scifiwright.com/2014/05/the-wright-perspective-why-christianity-is-more-logical-than-atheism/

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 23:08:33 2015 No.6363711

>>6363693
The only people irl I've seen wearing fedoras are arty types who more often than not are sympathetic to social justice issues. Either way the fedora is a ridiculous straw man that has been abused by 4chan to the point where it has lost all meaning

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 5 23:14:58 2015 No.6363731 >>6363693 Your posts are more cringe inducing than that picture.

Anonymous Sun Apr 5 23:30:31 2015 No.6363795

Winners of the hugos

> ancillary justice
> redshirts
> among others
> blackout/all clear
> the wind up girl
> the city and the city
> the graveyard book
> the yiddish police man's union
> rainbows end
> spin
> Jonathan strange and mr norrell
> paladin of souls
> hominids
> American God's
> Harry Potter and the goblet of fire
> a deepness in the sky
> to say nothing of the dog
> forever peace
> Blue Mars
> the Diamond age
> mirror dance

so where is this left wing conspiracy? All I see is very popular, critically acclaimed books that are popular even in the mainstream.

face it this is once again reactionaries projecting their own insecurities on the left and having a cry about "muh feels".

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 00:18:44 2015 No.6363960 >>6363795 >Redshirts This is one of my favorites Not sure what Harry Potter is doing on there though or why Gaiman won twice

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 00:47:24 2015 No.6364069 >>6363250 >Mfw when Heinlein is called a fascist near me

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 00:49:50 2015 No.6364081 >>6361569 Dude you rekt him. He was a moron.

Anonymous Mon Apr 6 01:02:06 2015 No.6364124

I oppose SJWs in their original meaning. IE, somebody who abuses victim rhetoric and acts like their personal issues are part of some great battle against the forces of tyranny.

GG and Sad Puppies are SJWs, they fit the definition, and do everything they accuse their enemies of doing.

Hashtag activism doesn't work, the internet won't solve our problems, only accelerate things. Angry mobs rarely achieve noble results.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 01:09:20 2015 No.6364148 >>6363250 Underrated post

Anonymous Mon Apr 6 01:23:18 2015 No.6364217

>>6361801
I am a black pansexual dragonkin woman, please read my story about robots and space.

Ever submitted to one of these publishers, who explicitly state looking for PoC and underprivileged voices?

How fucked is it that author identity takes first seat to the work they produced, now placed second in importance?

It's fucking retarded. No one needs to know a damn thing about me to read my work. Is it good? Is it shit? Nothing else matters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 01:27:19 2015 No.6364245 File: 2.82 MB, 390x215, tip.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6362772 >I repeat /pol/ talking points unironically because I can't actually be bothered to read the man.

Anonymous Mon Apr 6 01:36:31 2015 No.6364294

>>6363520
>If I avoid murder and theft only because this decreases my odds in the lottery of reproduction, then when circumstances arise where murder and theft increase rather than decrease my odds, what reason can any man give me to avoid murder and theft?

You've just described the conditions of total war, which mankind has not escaped in entirety, ever.

You should Weber more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 01:43:55 2015 No.6364333 >>6361765 >>6361764 >"Oldschool scifi is dead or dying! Really! Ignore those sales numbers!"

Anonymous Mon Apr 6 01:46:16 2015 No.6364346

>>6364124
reforms of ethics policies at various media outlets and the injury to Gawker to the tune of a million bucks sounds pretty noble.

The fallout? Bad journalists became infamous in the microcosm in which they operate.

All upsides from here.

It's also really unfair to claim Sad Puppies is as bad as GamerGate. Sad Puppies is just an expression of a subset of the populous in a popularity contest. That's all it is. At least you can half-assedly claim that GG is an online malingering campaign that mobs people on Twitter and is super evil and misogynist and shit.

Sad Puppies is just like a jock taking a retarded girl to prom. Kind of nice someone is giving the special kids some attention after years of being shit on and ignored by all the other kids.

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 6 01:47:11 2015 No.6364350 >>6364346 Nice metaphor, limp dick

Anonymous Mon Apr 6 01:48:56 2015 No.6364355

>>6364346
They are still using the "Waaaa look at me I'm so oppressed!" rhetoric, and basing their campaign around public shaming and ballot stuffing.

I don't think they've sent any death threats or doxed anybody yet, but they still fall under the SJW umbrella.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 02:06:31 2015 No.6364427 >>6364355 Can't disagree there. It's pretty demonstrative of the problem. "SEE HOW MUCH IT SUCKS WHEN WE DO IT???!!!" isn't really an argument. So, I concede to your classification scheme.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 02:09:11 2015 No.6364444 >>6364350 thanks

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 06:45:15 2015 No.6365066 >>6363119 THAS RIGHT

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 06:48:17 2015 No.6365069 >>6361241 What the fuck is gamergate?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 07:08:50 2015 No.6365093 >>6365069 the tea party of videogames

Anonymous Mon Apr 6 07:11:58 2015 No.6365100
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In 2013 Beale ran unsuccessfully to succeed John Scalzi as president of the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America (SFWA). Later in 2013, he was investigated by the Board, who subsequently voted to expel him from the organization.[17] Beale maintains that the vote does not signify his expulsion from the organization.[18]

In 2014 Beale's novelette, "Opera Vita Aeterna", was nominated for the Hugo Award for Best Novelette.[19] It came in sixth out of five nominees, behind "No Award."[20][21][22][23]

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 07:15:40 2015 No.6365110 >>6365093 >the tea party of videogames kids who play computer games are don't like paying tax to the British government, so they destroyed a shipment of computer games?

Anonymous Mon Apr 6 07:16:19 2015 No.6365112

>>6361765
Sure, but don't forget that popularity doesn't imply quality. The more this literature is corrupted by gender issues and social justice, the more the whole genre gets worst and worst. This isn't a good thing for “true” readers to see their own style, already widely mocked by high-level literature amateurs, getting bastardized. The rhetoric of “nobody stops you from reading what you want” is also null. By increasing the works available, you're also decreasing the likelihood for new readers to good literature. Even if they end up getting rid of it, how many years will they lost in the process? It's bad enough turds like E. L. James drag an audience.

Anonymous Mon Apr 6 07:17:37 2015 No.6365115

>>6361708
From an io9 article on this:
>The Hugo Awards are voted on by fans, and anyone who purchases a supporting membership at Worldcon can nominate two years in a row. (And typically, it doesn't take that many votes to nominate something successfully.)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 07:17:42 2015 No.6365116 >>6361241 I say this is good just because I'm sick of the same shit winning. I haven't payed attention to the Hugo's for over a decade because it was so pointless and transparent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 07:19:13 2015 No.6365120 >>6365110 the amerifat political tea party: loudly angry libertarians

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 07:23:56 2015 No.6365129 >>6361710 Jesus Christ that is some horrible writing. This dreck won something in the past? Holy shit how do people take the Hugo's seriously if shit like this wins

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 07:29:54 2015 No.6365136 >>6365129 >Holy shit how do people take the Hugo's seriously if shit like this wins See here: >>6365115 The whole process is easily gameable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 07:32:58 2015 No.6365142 >>6365120 they're not libertarian >loudly angry confused former middle class being directed by powerful corporate interests to support initiatives that harm them

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 07:33:58 2015 No.6365145 >>6365136 its not, its based on the Australian system of preferential voting

Anonymous Mon Apr 6 07:35:10 2015 No.6365150

>Beale is opposed to feminism[32] and women's suffrage, writing that "I very much like women and wish them well, which is precisely why I consider women’s rights to be a disease that should be eradicated. For what is rather more difficult to dismiss are the simple and easily verifiable facts that indicate women have seldom been less able to pursue their dreams and less able to achieve their desires than today, the Golden Age of Feminism."[33]

>n June of 2013, Beale used the SFWAuthors Twitter feed to post a link to his blog, in which he referred to African-American author N. K. Jemisin as "an educated, but ignorant half-savage, with little more understanding of what it took to build a new literature" [36] and Teresa Nielsen Hayden as a "fat frog."[37]

This mans a nut

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 07:37:48 2015 No.6365154 >commie retards control it for years >suddenly conservative retards control it >OUTRAGE! If you give a shit about any of this, I honestly think you should consider suicide. Just end it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 07:40:48 2015 No.6365163 >>6361241 Gamer Gatlers win. New thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OGQZzEOnHA

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 07:52:04 2015 No.6365175 >>6365150 I honestly would like to hear his reasoning, it sounds like a hoot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 07:57:57 2015 No.6365182 >>6365150 >Reading cherry picked information that is the result of pushy people on wiki edit wars >Taking it as fact

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 08:13:45 2015 No.6365220 >>6365182 did he say it or not?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 08:14:46 2015 No.6365223 >>6365175 >muh bible says... muh bell curve says...

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 10:55:02 2015 No.6365568 >Hugos Oh fuck off, its the Kids Choice Awards of literature. At least complain about the Nebulas or something you fucking clods.

Anonymous Mon Apr 6 14:38:02 2015 No.6366278

>>6365112
>The more this literature is corrupted by gender issues and social justice, the more the whole genre gets worst and worst.
Muh slippery slope fallacy.

>This isn't a good thing for “true” readers to see their own style, already widely mocked by high-level literature amateurs, getting bastardized.
It's fucking genre fiction.

>The rhetoric of “nobody stops you from reading what you want” is also null. By increasing the works available, you're also decreasing the likelihood for new readers to good literature.
You're a fucking moron. Most literature is fucking terrible. Read what you want has always held true, and the good stuff is the stuff that people tend to talk about, where bad stuff, unless it's hilariously bad, tends to vanish. As always, if you don't want to read something, don't fucking read it.

>It's bad enough turds like E. L. James drag an audience.
Boo hoo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 14:39:02 2015 No.6366281 >>6365120 They're neoconservatives, not libertarians.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 14:46:23 2015 No.6366307 >>6366281 No they are radical right-wing libertarians backed by big companies (ironic considering the Tea Party claims to be grass-roots)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 15:18:44 2015 No.6366432 >>6365120 lol nope. Some of them are. Most are disillusioned liberals mad about freeze peach or something

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 15:34:48 2015 No.6366501 Anyone remember the internet before it was a battleground for retarded neckbeards and legbeards?

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 6 15:36:41 2015 No.6366509 >>6366501 It was always full of edgy neckbeards who thought everything edgy they said was comedic genius so legbeards are a breath of fresh air as far as I'm concerned.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 16:02:07 2015 No.6366627 >>6365142 >>6366281 oh i know. that's what they describe themselves as for some reason. >>6366432 the tea party is conservative. i think there are more edgy rightwingers in it than disillusioned liberals.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 16:04:50 2015 No.6366643 >>6366501 You kidding? It was founded by neckbeards and for years it was primarily neckbeards who used it outside of professional settings. Now everyone uses the internet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 16:06:01 2015 No.6366652 >>6366509 >look ma i'm trolling the internet

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 16:07:46 2015 No.6366662 >>6366509 is there ever going to be a non retarded tripfag

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 16:13:03 2015 No.6366695 >>6366662 He calls himself "Foucault", what do you expect?

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 6 16:13:49 2015 No.6366698 >>6366695 >>6366662 I have won over an audience

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 16:16:02 2015 No.6366707 >>6362621 gr8 b8 m8

Anonymous Mon Apr 6 17:38:50 2015 No.6367071
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>>6362621
The fedora caricature by this point is just a ready made straw man for people to shoehorn their ideological opponents into. I've seen it used as a caricature of everyone from redpillers to male feminists.

Anonymous Mon Apr 6 18:39:29 2015 No.6367372
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>>6362621
The fedora tipper has always been a joke on the "euphoric" atheist community. It also refers to the beta male feminists who consider themselves smarter than the mean jocks who get girls instead of them, as well as the neckbeards collecting MLP figurines.

>And that makes up a majority of the base of #Gamer#Gate.

It's funny how fast a supposed "progressive" will erase any woman or minority that doesn't support their white saviors. The push to discredit a group as part of some straight white male demographic is a very underhanded tactic, particularly when the majority of the accusers are straight white males who come from money.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 18:45:28 2015 No.6367400 >>6367071 well it's generally used for somewhat naive, blunt, heavily opinionated people. redpilleds and feminists do tend to have that in common

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 18:56:03 2015 No.6367461 >>6362350 top wwwwww

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 19:19:56 2015 No.6367584 >>6365175 check out his blog (at least the entry about Jemisin), it's pretty amazing how vocal he is about his views contra his expectations for a career and outrage at being frozen out

Anonymous Mon Apr 6 19:44:32 2015 No.6367685

>The Nuru (ie white) militants waited for the retreat, when the Okeke women walked into the desert and stayed for seven days to give respect to the goddess Ani. “Okeke” means “the created ones.” The Okeke people have skin the color of the night because they were created before the day. They were the first. Later, after much had happened, the Nuru arrived. They came from the stars and that’s why their skin is the color of the sun.

>These names must have been agreed upon during peaceful times, for it was well known that the Okeke were born to be slaves of the Nuru. […]

>Most abided by the old saying, “A snake is foolish if it dreams of being a lizard.” But one day, thirty years earlier, a group of Okeke men and women in the city of Zin rejected it. They’d had enough.

>They rose up rioting and demanding and refusing. Their passion spread to neighboring Seven Rivers towns and villages. These Okeke paid dearly for having ambition. Everyone did, as is always the case with genocide. On and off this had been happening since.

>The purr of scooters. She looked up. There was a parade of them, each with an orange flag on the back of the seat. There must have been at least forty. […]

>On each scooter rode a man and on several a woman accompanied the man. They wore orange veils of their sunny faces. Their expensive military attire — sand-colored pants and tops and leather boots — were probably treated with weather gel to keep them cool in the sun. […]

>The Okeke women screamed and ran in all directions. […] But the Nurus made a wide circle around them, herding them back together like wild camels. As the Okeke women cowered, their long periwinkle garments fluttered in the breeze. The Nuru men got off their scooters, the Nuru women behind them. They closed in. And that was when the raping began.

>All of the Okeke women, young, prime, and old, were raped. Repeatedly.

>Those men didn’t tire; it was as if they were bewitched. […] They sang as they raped. The Nuru women who’d come along laughed, pointed, and sang, too.

Nnedi Okorafor, Who Fears Death

This is an Nebula award winning fantasy novel by a black woman. Totally deserved and non-political, of course.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 19:47:06 2015 No.6367696 >>6367685 Who cares?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 19:48:18 2015 No.6367702 >>6367696 People care now that the other side is doing the same.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 19:51:29 2015 No.6367715 >>6367702 So what? Right wingers have bitched and moaned about this kind of horseshit for years, and vice versa. This is some award for shit genre fiction that nobody will fucking read.

Anonymous Mon Apr 6 19:53:18 2015 No.6367723
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>>6362348
I'd say they are Maoists. The methods are similar, "Smash the Four Olds", "Struggle-sessions", "everyone who doesn't think like us is a feudal fascist capitalist roader" etc, all that motivated by a youth radicalized at their education venues.

The only thing missing is the mango worship, yet.

Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 6 19:56:13 2015 No.6367737

>>6367372

Oh shut the fuck up gamer gate is absolutly embarassing at this point. It's not underhanded to point out its main demographic is edgy young white nationalists who continually alienate any demographic they chose.

While initially you're right, it could pull in anyone. What you have when you attract 4chan's native population of rights and misogynists and faux racists into the mix is people steadily pointing out the rhetoric they use, and people thinking "Hm, these people are absolute freaks, maybe I should avoid this...".

In other words, once again, reactionaries don't know how to plan in the long term and spew whatever vile shit they think out to their hearts content and it becomes their own Achilles Heel

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 19:56:57 2015 No.6367740 >>6367737 Are you a woman? You write like a woman.

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 6 19:57:40 2015 No.6367747 >>6367740 It depends, are you a fag? You write like one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 20:06:03 2015 No.6367784 >>6367685 That's a pretty good excerpt, I'd read more

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 20:24:16 2015 No.6367881 >>6367747 >using "fag" as a pejorative Congratulations on sinking not to the level of the person you are replying to, but well below it.

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 6 20:27:13 2015 No.6367900 >>6367881 >I'm very serious

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 20:31:13 2015 No.6367917 File: 13 KB, 339x302, jizz.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6367685 >And that was when the raping began.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 20:46:19 2015 No.6367987 >>6367685 >Those men didn’t tire; it was as if they were bewitched. […] They sang as they raped. Is it bad that I burst into laughter at this point?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 20:51:36 2015 No.6368014 Is everyone on 4chan so fucking contrarian that they refuse to hold an opinion other than some form of: "both sides are stupid"? Do you enjoy the false sense of superiority?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 20:53:21 2015 No.6368025 >>6368014 Being a contrarian guarantees victory and there is nothing wrong with playing to win.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 20:56:29 2015 No.6368044 >>6368014 It's been the same long before you stumbled here an hour ago

Anonymous Mon Apr 6 20:57:29 2015 No.6368049

>Arguing over GamerGate
>Arguing over something literally only neckbeard manchildren and unemployed self proclaimed "anarcho-marxist radfem" bloggers have heard about

Do you think someone actually important like say, Obama, has heard of GamerGate or gives two fucks about it? Probably not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 20:58:15 2015 No.6368051 >>6368049 no one is important than me idiot

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 6 20:59:18 2015 No.6368056 >>6368049 To be fair, I'm an anarcho-marxist radfem, not unemployed though. Working towards becoming a social worker.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 21:00:35 2015 No.6368061 >>6368051 I am

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 21:00:37 2015 No.6368062 >>6368014 >>6368025 >Not wanting to participate in an absolutely vile debate makes you a contrarian. >Everyone must chose a side, even if they have no stake in the topic at hand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 21:01:41 2015 No.6368069 >>6368062 it's the internet maybe you've been here before?

Anonymous Mon Apr 6 21:02:36 2015 No.6368076

>>6367685
what is this obsession with being "non-political" anyway. why is that even desirable. aesthetic judgements themselves are political, it's a stupid and impossible ideal

>>6368014
the libertarian/Vox Day people or whatever are way, way dumber. most of the champions of female SF writers and such are probably chill and I would hang out with them. I wouldn't hang out with you though, you seem too angry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 21:03:04 2015 No.6368078 >>6368061 This guy gets it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 21:04:57 2015 No.6368089 >>6368076 >aesthetic judgements themselves are political Not really. I love neoromanticism as an aesthetic, but am completely disinterested in the politics associated with it

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 21:09:01 2015 No.6368105 >>6361606 Really captures the absurdity of the zeitgeist. You can achieve a historic feat of science and engineering, but if you wear a silly shirt, you can get e-lynched

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 21:11:52 2015 No.6368114 >>6368105 >e-lynched I can't help but laugh at this modern appropriation of the word 'lynch' as if it's anything at all comparable to an actual lynching. The developed world has gone soft.

Anonymous Mon Apr 6 21:20:32 2015 No.6368160

>>6368062
If you don't wish to participate or have no stake in the topic at hand, then don't participate. If you want to join the debate, call everyone an idiot without relation to the arguments or ideas they present, and then offer no new perspective on the discussion itself, you're a contrarian looking for attention.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 23:22:33 2015 No.6368701 >>6368114 no one making this point is as profound as they think

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 6 23:45:28 2015 No.6368818 >>6367071 Wow that is 4chan: The Picture right there boy I tell ya what.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 01:08:52 2015 No.6369184 >>6368014 What if I believe both sides are right? :^)

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 02:35:54 2015 No.6369437 >>6367685 This is hilarious Jesus fucking christ it's like a 14 year old girl on Tumblr wrote a story >This is an Nebula award winning fantasy novel Jesus fucking christ

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