/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.6360855]

Which is the most /lit/ city?

[Anonymous No.6360856]

>>6360855
None, people who live in cities are brain rotted losers

[Anonymous No.6360864]

>>6360856
*tips cowboy hat*

[Anonymous No.6360865]

>>6360864
*tips fedora*

[Anonymous No.6360869]

>>6360856
You mean, recently, or since the beginning of time?

[Anonymous No.6360871]

>>6360869
Recently

[Anonymous No.6360882]

>>6360855
Minneapolis / St. Paul

[Anonymous No.6360883]

>>6360856
So Plato, Shakespeare etc. were brain rotted losers?

[Anonymous No.6360893]

New York
London
Paris
St. Petersburg
In that order
Objectively

[Anonymous No.6360899]

>>6360883
post industrial age you moron

[Anonymous No.6360906]

>>6360899
Why do you say that?

[Anonymous No.6360950]

Paris.

[Anonymous No.6360995]

>>6360855
St. Petersburg and Paris. Venice too, maybe.

[Anonymous No.6361181]

Athens

[Anonymous No.6361217]

>>6361181
AKA boipussyville

[Anonymous No.6361227]

Denver

[Anonymous No.6361250]

Detroit because it's a shell of its former self.

[Anonymous No.6361267]

>>6360855
Charleston, South Carolina

[Anonymous No.6361291]

Now?
Probably Paris
Counting history i would say Alexandria

[Anonymous No.6361303]

San Fransisco
Miami
Portland
Denver
Seattle
Houston
Paris
London
Tokyo

[Anonymous No.6361305]

>>6360855
Dublin has quotes by Shaw, Joyce, Yeats, Swift and Beckett all over the city.
Plus it celebrates Bloomsday.
Bergen, Vienna and Lisbon are also very /lit/

[Anonymous No.6361315]

>>6361303
>portland
>all those burger cities
No.

[Anonymous No.6361350]

is there any city in the world anymore with any kind of of 'bohemian' art/literary community

[Anonymous No.6361367]

>>6361350
Yeah but if we saw you we wouldn't let you in. I'm not even going to tell you where for fear you'd bring more of your "type" with you and make us discuss game of thrones .

[Anonymous No.6361377]

>>6361315

>portland

lmao

[Anonymous No.6361393]

>>6361315
You mad Yuropoop?

[Anonymous No.6361396]

Amsterdam

[Anonymous No.6361413]

>>6361393
>implying any american city besides Buenos Aires and New York have an iota of culture.
I am murican

[Anonymous No.6361427]

>>6361413
>New York

most stale, media-hyped place in the world full of boring middle class brats.

[Anonymous No.6361436]

>>6360882
Why do you say that? That's where I live and I've never had the impression that it's a particularly /lit/ city, its degree-holding populace notwithstanding.

[Anonymous No.6361440]

Paris, Buenos Aires, or London.

[Anonymous No.6361454]

>>6361427
Sounds like you've spent a disappointing weekend in Manhattan.

New York City is great. The variety is endless if you know where to look.

[Anonymous No.6361458]

>Which is the most /lit/ city?

The New Delhi or Nairobi slums.
-Nobody actually reads
-Nobody has a job, full NEET mode
-Most still live with their parents
-They don't co-exist peacefully, just shout at each other all day
-Have no economic knowledge but hate prosperous capitalists
-Wallow all day in their own filth
-Probably piss into bottles
-Actual Intellectuals and successful people stay the fuck away
-Still proud of their shit playground
-Will never leave

[Anonymous No.6361464]

>>6361458
You seem to know an awful lot about /lit/.

;)

[Anonymous No.6361465]

>>6361458
that place looks fun

[Anonymous No.6361468]

Vienna, Paris, Rome or St Petersburg

[Anonymous No.6361475]

>>6360855
Cambridge, MA.

[Anonymous No.6361485]

KOWLOON, CHINA

just look at the fucking place

[Anonymous No.6361490]

>>6361458
good choice

[Anonymous No.6361492]

>>6361465
>that place looks fun
It is. Ive been in the Nairobi slums and slums in south east asia. Went to both to teach ESL for NGOs. They're great places.

They're very family and socially centered. A baby cries and anyone can pick it up. Pronouns are family based too: you call a male brother, or an older male uncle, etc, and this close community seems to irradiate all the ailments of the west; the anxiety, the depression, the "Oh, I have ADD and need ritalin and diazepam to counter it." Despite their conditions, slum dwellers are always smiling, playing, and interacting with each other.

Saying that, it fucking stinks, you get mugged after dark, constantly dragged into brothel shacks by AIDS ridden meth-hookers, and they'll always be resentment because of your white skin.

[Anonymous No.6361497]

>>6361485
>Kowloon
They knocked it down years ago.

[Anonymous No.6361501]

>>6361485
No longer exists, well the Walled City I mean

[Anonymous No.6361508]

>>6361492
tell us more

[Anonymous No.6361516]

>>6361485
That's truly amazing.

[Anonymous No.6361530]

>>6361497
>>6361501
it will always exist as an idea and for literary purposes that's all that matters

[Anonymous No.6361550]

>>6360950
ya maybe if only reading the koran is considered /lit/ lmao

[Anonymous No.6361565]

>>6361485
>It was called a lawless twilight zone by some and the world's most overcrowded squat by others. But to many, the 4Chan (Kowloon Walled City) was simply home.

[Anonymous No.6361584]

>>6360893
>Objectively
I always like it when people say that. It makes me want to flatley disregared their opinions as they seem too self confident.

[Anonymous No.6361593]

>>6361508
Find out for yourself.

Wherever you are (presuming you're in a first world country), there will be an institution offering TEFL, CELTA and other courses. Takes a about month and costs about a thousand bucks. Now you can go to virtually any third world country and get a job instantly teaching English to slum rats, or to what passes for a middle-class wanting an 'international' education for their children.

Go slum rats, and you're NGO paid, so 10-20 times more than local minimum wage, but the kids are feral. International schools pay a little more, but the kids are polite, literate, and don't steal your shoes when you take them off to enter the class.

I taught four months in Uganda and got the ESL bug. One year in Kenya after that, and I've been in Vietnam for nearly a year now but getting the itch to move again - thinking Indonesia for a while.

Try to keep some control on the drugs, hookers, and alcohol. Even if that's not your thing, it comes with the territory. Especially in Asia.

[Anonymous No.6361614]

>>6360855
I bet London was a shithole back then

[Anonymous No.6361615]

>>6361593
why you have chose this life? where you came from? how old are you?

[Anonymous No.6361620]

Has anyone here actually lived in Paris?

[Anonymous No.6361624]

>>6361593
I've been thinking about doing this but I don't think I'll need to worry about hookers. I'm really ugly.

I've been looking at Cambodia.

[Anonymous No.6361656]

>>6361367
Is this copypasta? Either that or I just had a déjà vu

[Anonymous No.6361663]

>>6361413
New Orleans?

[Anonymous No.6361673]

>>6360856
Yeah, but not as much as those rednecks out in the fucking middle of nowhere, fucking there sisters. Amiright?

[Anonymous No.6361727]

>>6361615
>why you have chose this life?
I finished a BSc, thought very, very hard about a stable cubicle/office/lab job, then ran away. Decided to delay 'real life decisions' until I'm thirty 35.
>where you came from?
UK
>how old are you?
25

>>6361624
>I've been looking at Cambodia.
Nice, I've been there twice this year (three if you include a stop off to Bangkok). You'll probably buy a moto, but a bus from Ho Chi Minh to Phnom Penh is about $15. Either way, they rape you with visa's unless you get a multi-entry 12 month one.

Where are you thinking of going? For international schools your options are Sihanoukville (the beach), Siem Reap (the temples), or Phnom Penh (the capital). For slum rat NGO's you can go anywhere; but while the Cambodian provinces are absolutely stunning, they may get boring after a while.

From what I hear, Cambo ESL wages are roughly $1,300 a month. For comparison, you can rent a room for $80 a month, and a local bottle of whiskey is $2.

>I don't think I'll need to worry about hookers. I'm really ugly.
No. No, you are not. You have white skin, so you are stunning. Even if you were 75 with a huge beer belly. Seriously. Get off the plane, go and sit in a bar on 136, and you will be swatting away more girls than mosquitoes.

[Anonymous No.6361751]

Enfield, MA

[Anonymous No.6361838]

>>6361454
>>6361413
that's because New York wasn't a british shithole :^)

[Anonymous No.6361863]

>>6361727
>Decided to delay 'real life decisions' until I'm thirty 35
What do you see yourself doing at 30-35? The big flaw I see in the ESL route is that as far as I know you don't develop any skills that can lead into another career, so at the end of your stint(s) you're right back where you started. All things being equal I'd rather have a slog job at 25, alongside coworkers and friends in the same position, than be 35 and have the same job surrounded by people a decade my junior.

[Anonymous No.6362113]

>>6361863
>What do you see yourself doing at 30-35?
I was initially thinking of doing a PGCE and becoming a qualified UK teacher, but the longer I stay away the less desire I have to return.

I currently make $1,900 a month in a country where most people make $200-$400, doesn't seem set to change any time soon. After Rent, utilities, groceries, and recreation, I have most of $1k left. At the moment I piss it away way too much, party too hard, travel as much as possible, because that's what I love and enjoy doing.

I'll probably begin settle down in five more years, having slowly restricted my spending in favor of saving, and after having decided which third world country I like the best. Then I'll leverage my unique ability to easily earn five times the average wage to start top-loading the balance sheet with physical assets: the cheap, box style, second floor apartments that expats love to rent, maybe a moto rental shop, a bar, the gaming rooms that Asians are addicted to, etc, and begin building an asset and investment portfolio.


>career
>coworkers
That is one avenue I'm probably not pursuing.

[Anonymous No.6362130]

>>6361620
Tallis did but he killed himself

[Anonymous No.6362136]

>>6362113
I wish to have your balls

[Anonymous No.6362158]

>>6361584
>flatley disregared
you really aren't one to judge are you?

[Anonymous No.6364034]

>>6361485
They knocked down the walled city years ago. There's a park there now.
Also, kowloon is in Hong Kong, not China proper.

[Anonymous No.6364072]

>>6361303
Why Houston?

[Anonymous No.6364085]

>>6362113
Your posts have the potential to change my life. I have been in a bit of a rut, waiting to hear back from grad school with little hope of getting in. I have had no idea as to what I would do if I don't get in but I cannot tolerate the mundane routine that real life promises so the path you have chosen appeals greatly. Will you please go into more detail regarding the steps to go through with this?

[Anonymous No.6364087]

>>6360855
to this day.......alexandria when library was still in tact :*(

[Anonymous No.6364141]

Dublin
Paris
Petersburg
London

[Anonymous No.6364222]

>>6361250

[Anonymous No.6364285]

>>6361663
All my best writing came from when i was in New Orleans.

[Anonymous No.6364335]

New York in the 70s before the liberals ruined it

[Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M No.6364345]

>>6360855

Moscow

[Anonymous No.6364351]

>>6364335

[Anonymous No.6364354]

>>6364351

[Anonymous No.6364363]

>>6364354

[Anonymous No.6364368]

>>6364363

[Anonymous No.6364372]

>>6362158
>want to flatley disregard
Well, it is judgmental, I admit, but I am only wanting some, justification. When you just say 'speaking objectively....' followed by unexplained and contestable assertions, you have to admit that you are making a fool of yourself.

[Anonymous No.6364373]

>>6364368

[Anonymous No.6364377]

>>6364373

[Anonymous No.6364386]

>>6364377

[Anonymous No.6364395]

>>6364386

[Anonymous No.6364402]

>>6364395

Just remember

>rent was dirt cheap
>used bookstores everywhere
>neon lights
>time square filled with pimps, prostitutes and pushers
>plenty of crazy people to talk to in the streets
>inexpensive restaurants and cafes
>good paying jobs
>new story on each corner

Just took a bit of bravery.

[Anonymous No.6364443]

>>6364402
Do places like that exist now?

[Anonymous No.6364449]

>>6364443
nah

no money in it

[Anonymous No.6364467]

>>6364443

Nope. And don't listen to anyone that says Detroit or Flint. Those places are just plain dangerous and lacking any culture.

I highly doubt 70s New York could ever happen again.

[Anonymous No.6364468]

>>6364449
I thought so. Maybe there's a hidden gem out there, beyond the walls of the US.

[Anonymous No.6364473]

>you will never go to shitty, run down theater on 42d Street to watch a porno with some guy jacking off in the front row

[Anonymous No.6364487]

>>6364473

>You will never see the Exotic Melinda >>6364368
while the audience screams at her to "take it off"

[Anonymous No.6364504]

New York
California (if you have transportation the whole state is pretty cool)
Paris
Mexico City
Buenos Aires
Tokio

[Anonymous No.6364524]

>>6364504
>the whole state is pretty cool)
keke
somebody's never been to the central valley
it sucks here.

[Anonymous No.6364529]

>>6364524
sacramento's an interesting place as long as you don't mind a little boredom

everywhere else in the central valley seems like it sucks, though. i mean i guess davis is a college town, idk.

[Anonymous No.6364539]

>>6364524
What the fuck...
California's climate is amazing, even in bare terrains the landscape is beautiful.

[Anonymous No.6364544]

>>6360855
>you will never be an upper-class European living in 19th century St. Petersburg, a promising young public servant brimming with potential in a volatile political environment, shoulder-to-shoulder with radical liberals (actual liberals) and bearded reactionaries, while courting the affections of a beautiful middle-class girl whose childhood dream is to marry someone like you

[Anonymous No.6364549]

>>6364544
this except vienna

fuck outta here with this russia shit

[Anonymous No.6364556]

>>6364549
>Petersburg c. 1800s
>Russia

[Anonymous No.6364561]

>>6364556
... what?

[Anonymous No.6364746]

Portland, Oregon. I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned.

[Anonymous No.6364754]

>>6364746
>America

[Anonymous No.6364763]

>>6364754
>posting anime

[Anonymous No.6364765]

>>6364763
You're on 4channel, baka

[Anonymous No.6364767]

>>6364763
>perpetuating the cycle

[Anonymous No.6364772]

>>6364765
>implying this board is about anime

[Anonymous No.6364776]

>>6364772
It's not about American tv shows, does that mean reaction images from there are not allowed either?

[Anonymous No.6364798]

Anywhere in Canada

[Anonymous No.6364824]

Djibouti, Djibouti

[Anonymous No.6364825]

LONDON
O
N
D
O
N

[Anonymous No.6364828]

>>6361673
Ah the petit bourgeoisie leftist reveals his hate for the working class he supposedly supports

[Anonymous No.6364833]

>>6364828
I bet that guy supports gun control, too.

[Anonymous No.6364840]

>>6364824
I've was at camp lemonnier for a while, and Djibouti is my kind of country. The skinnies are pretty nice, but wary of us as they should be. The local government was close to nonexistent, and there was one paved road. I see Djibouti as a new western frontier, where you can literally just lay waste to whole sheet metal shack towns and claim them as your own. Not very literary unless you want to write about camel racing, female circumcision or khat though.

[Anonymous No.6364844]

>>6364746
Everyone in Portland, Oregon is retarded. Denver is the smarter city.

Plus I hear people talking about Jew York as being the best city, even in the 70s it was jam packed with rats.

[Anonymous No.6364865]

>>6361303


I live in San Francisco and the impression I've gotten is a lot of working people drinking, smoking lots of weed and wax, and occasionally doing cocaine and pills. Besides that, a lot of beatfags who fantasize about "on the road" type experiences but can't escape their own comfort. If we ignore the overwhelming social justice gender-cultural studies oriented creative atmosphere, the prevailing literary type I've come across here (and I've seen a lot; work at a pretty famous bookstore) is the beat-influenced borderline alcoholic. Then again, I've only encountered so many people, this is just my experience and I'm sure there's tons of variety behind closed doors.

[ESL No.6364871]

>>6364085
Be honest with yourself - and I'm asking because you mentioned the 'mundane routine' - you already have a bachelors degree, so are you pursuing grad school school because further education can get you a very specific job that you want to be involved in until retirement? If that's the case; if you want to be in a specific field of study because it's what you would honestly love to be involved in, then do everything you can to achieve that.

If you are using grad school to postpone the mundane job for a while, or because the education mill is what your parents or teachers have told you is the direction to take, or because you really have no idea what you want and are crossing your fingers that postgraduate education will bring a higher salary in something, anything, then consider getting out.

>Will you please go into more detail regarding the steps to go through with this?
Sure. The ESL route is incredibly easy. The first step you need to take, obviously, is to obtain a TEFL, TESL, TESOL, or CELTA certificate. One of these, especially combined with a Ba/Bsc, is a guaranteed job in most of Africa, most of Central and South America, and most of Asia. CELTA is the best of the four.

The second step is the hard one. You either spend a few months searching for an NGO school to accept you before leaving, or you hop on a plane and hand out CV's to international schools and NGOs when you arrive. I took the former route initially, but only because I didn't realize then how easy it was for a white face to get an ESL gig. When I finally moved to Vietnam, I flew in to HCMC, had fun with the girls and vices for a month, then handed out a few CV's for an instant job. Don't bother trying to email schools either. Put on a tie, have a shave, don't be too hungover, walk into four or five schools and ask the cute dolly girl at reception if they have vacancies. You'll usually see the owner/director straight away and be asked to start the following monday. Most schools have vacancies.

The reason it's so easy is because international schools are essentially a scam. Most schools teach English half the day and the other half in the native tongue, and a school staffed by locals trying to teach English is less prestigious and cheaper than one with white faces. The school owners love changing the name from 'Mr. Chang's school' to 'Mr. Chang's international school', hiring westerners and quadrupling the tuition fee's. Couple this with the concept of 'face', where the parents of international schools kids sneer at ones with local school kids, then add the fact that the first question any parent asks before choosing a school is "do you have white teachers," and it creates a market where demand for white teachers is extremely high, and a job for you is extremely easy to get.

. . . (cont)

[Anonymous No.6364876]

Sofia, Bulgaria
Beograd, Serbia
Triana, Albania

[ESL No.6364877]

>>6364871
>>6364085
Aside from the international schools, you have the NGO schools. These are funded by wealthy European businesses and provide an education for the orphans and really poor. Teaching in these is an adventure. It's like trying to teach Victorian dinning etiquette to monkeys on LSD. I love it. I love the wild crazy children, and I love that they actually do learn a lot from me. I love slipping basic philosophy and economics into their lessons too.

You can also pick up a job easily at the other NGO's -- the "social change" campaign ones. Personally, I can't stand these. They rarely make a difference to anything, and almost always exist so someone can get incredibly rich from donation money while convincing the donors that they are improving the world.

So if you take this path, which I hope you do, here are some pointers:

-You will fall in love with where you are. You'll bond with kids and fuck the local girls, but try hard not to set root in the first country. A lot of people teach ESL in the first country they enter never leave, and end up as the grizzled expats dealing with a similar discontent to the one they tried escaping from. I, and everyone else I've spoken to who hops around, are so glad they did it.

Just like at home, your immediate environment becomes your whole world. Chang's international school in a rural Laos province, along with the local bars, the local girls and a few expats will become your world. Don't succumb to the false safety of the familiar. try to travel; try to experience and see as much as you can. I can't really explain in words why this is important, but once you have uprooted from your six or twelve month stint in that Laos province (which will be painful initially), board the train or flight to India or Cambodia or Nicaragua or Namibia, set up home in your new world, I promise you'll understand. You will feel fresh, new, adventurous, and that creeping stagnation that comes from the same daily routine will be gone. That stagnation won't be as bad as it is in a 9-5 grind back home, but it will be if you stay for 30 years. Obviously, you can't do this forever (or maybe you can?) just try to experience multiple cultures and people.

-Don't fall in love with the first girl who calls you handsome. In developing countries your milky white skin looks like an ATM machine. Girls are all over you. Sure, have some short relationships, have many one night stands, bang all the hookers (careful now, condoms and no oral!), but don't fall for a girl who needs you as a meal ticket. If you fuck the same bargirl more than once, she will do everything to get you to be her boyfriend. You'll be stuck paying the medical bills for all of her sick relatives, buying her bracelet's and iphones and everything else she begins to demand. These girls are crafty.

. . . (cont)

[Anonymous No.6364879]

>>6361267
I lived in Charleston for a year. I like the place, but I'm curious as to your reasoning.

[ESL No.6364885]

>>6364877
-Remember that you're in a poor country with shit medical facilities. Insurance is very expensive and the cheap backpacker insurance doesn't cover anything.. The last thing you want is to crash a bike in a vietnamese village, think your insurance will cover it, get medevac'd to Singapore and find out you have to pay the $35k bill yourself. Also, vehicle insurance isn't compulsory in a lot of countries. If you hit a local, it's your fault. If a local hits you, even if he's drunk and on the wrong side of the road, it's your fault too.

-Corruption is rampant and you need to adjust to a culture of paying bribes. You can do anything if you pay tea money, and the quicker you do it the easier it is. This goes for anything. If you run over a local and kill them; if you are caught in a Laotian opium den; if you are caught mid-act with two Asian beauties in a massage joint, you must offer to pay an immediate 'fine'. If you say anything about your 'rights', try to call your embassy, think the legal system will ever work in your favor, you will end up in jail. paying tea money will also speed up any official paperwork you want done.

-Have fun with what ever you decide to do.

[Anonymous No.6364957]

>no mention of copenhagen

[Anonymous No.6364962]

>>6364957

[Anonymous No.6364964]

>>6364962

[Anonymous No.6365169]

>>6364871
>>6364877
>>6364885
My entire life plan has just shifted. How much is a CELTA course?

[Anonymous No.6365188]

>>6365169
/trv/ have those threads all the time.

[Anonymous No.6365193]

>>6364957
Go to bed Tom Kristensen.

[Anonymous No.6365204]

>>6365169
Am I the only one who doesn't find a life of vice in a shithole appealing? I see so many people get excited like this over TEFL because OMGHOOKERS.

[Anonymous No.6365206]

>>6364373
That's some pretty sweet bands.
Nina Simone was apparently incredible live.

[Anonymous No.6365212]

>>6364443
Try going to Lagos. Minus the bookstores and good paying jobs it fits the bill.

[Anonymous No.6365229]

>>6365204
>Am I the only one who doesn't find a life of vice in a shithole appealing?
you're probably in the minority.

>I see so many people get excited like this over TEFL because OMGHOOKERS.
tbf, that guy did say "provide an education for the orphans and really poor. Teaching in these is an adventure. It's like trying to teach Victorian dinning etiquette to monkeys on LSD. I love it. I love the wild crazy children, and I love that they actually do learn a lot from me. I love slipping basic philosophy and economics into their lessons too."

i live in AUS where prostitution is legal, so "OMGHOOKERS" aint a big deal like it is for sheltered american kids who can't even have a beer until theyre 21.. but debauchery, drugs, alcohol, and smoking hot asian girls is fucking fun. probs why I fly to Bali so much.

[Anonymous No.6365238]

>>6365204
TEFLers moving to Thailand to bang cheap hookers are nowhere near as bad as the anime NEETs moving to Japan.

[Anonymous No.6365241]

>>6365238
Do NEETs move to Japan? Is that a thing? I assumed NEETs didn't do much moving, period.

[Anonymous No.6365246]

>>6365238
At least the anime nerds probably know they are pathetic. I can imagine a lot of /lit/ users see themselves as tragic hedonistic misunderstood Hemingway's. Look at me I drink do drugs and have sex! So cool! So literary!

[Anonymous No.6365251]

>>6365229
Meh maybe I'm just getting old.

[Anonymous No.6365253]

>>6360855
Liverpool!

[Anonymous No.6365257]

>>6365246
>Christian detected

[Anonymous No.6365267]

>>6365257
Nope, but clearly I hit a nerve.

[Anonymous No.6365274]

>>6365246
>I can imagine a lot of /lit/ users see themselves as tragic hedonistic misunderstood Hemingway's.
I think most /lit/ users are just regular uni students who lean slightly toward introversion.

>Look at me I drink do drugs and have sex! So cool! So literary!
Trying drugs, getting drunk, and having sex is just a pretty normal part of adolescence. I doubt that a majority of /lit/ users are getting drunk and laid because they think they're Hemingway. They're just going through regular uni life. And I really doubt that there are a lot of /lit/ users leading a hedonistic lifestyle in Thailand to be like Hemingway.

[Anonymous No.6365278]

>>6365274
I think the cityscape solitude is much more a part of the uni life than sex and drugs.

[Anonymous No.6365289]

>>6365278
>I think the cityscape solitude is much more a part of the uni life than sex and drugs.
Really? I couldn't seem to escape social interaction, bars, clubs, drugs, and sex at uni. Over here our housing options are crowded uni dorms on campus, most with their own bar, or crowded shared housing. In either it's hard to get away from people trying to drag you to a party or bar. I would actually have to deliberately work at getting a 'cityscape solitude' while in uni. I can see that scenario after uni when stuck in a job. That's just my experience tho.

[Anonymous No.6365314]

>>6365274
I dunno I have definitely met people like this in real life, who love bukowski and Hemingway and think their alcoholism and c-razy holidays make them interesting.

[Anonymous No.6365322]

>>6365241
>Do NEETs move to Japan? Is that a thing?
If I was the unfortunate parent of a shut-in NEET anime fan who obsessed about Japanese culture, I would pay for their flight and celebrate when they left.

[Anonymous No.6365329]

>>6365289
That's precisely my point, anon.
It appears that if there are so much social gatherings, they are nothing but an answer to the crippling solitude one faces when he leaves his family to go study in the city.

And in those bars, those nightclubs, those parties, may you be surrounded by dozens you are still alone. You might even have a mouth wrapped around your cock but the emotional link is nowhere to be seen.

It is in those moments of crowdsurfing that the solitude strikes the hardest, the silence in response to your screams of despair is deafening.

And you fuck and drink and do drugs but suddenly a grandfather dies and nobody seems to care.

You are nothing but a neuron in a system, seperated by cosmical abysses, endless trenches between anonymous cadavers.

[Anonymous No.6365343]

>>6365329
This was a bit grim.

[Anonymous No.6365362]

>>6365314
>I have definitely met people like this in real life, who love bukowski and Hemingway and think their alcoholism and c-razy holidays make them interesting.

You have to make a distinction between a binge drinking teen on a two week holiday in Thailand, and an expatriate teacher who has lived in Thailand for years, who actually is an alcoholic. I'd ague the former isn't trying to be Hemingway, and neither is the latter, though he may inadvertently be becoming like Bukowski.

The teen on holiday probably does think it makes him interesting, but I expect all his friends will like and be interested in the crazy pictures he posts on facebook. The alcoholic expatriate teacher probably doesn't .

You obviously have a point that a lot of adolescent behavior is done for perceived image, but I think you over-estimate the influence of authors in shaping this image, especially in relation to alcoholism and teaching/vacationing in Asia.

[Anonymous No.6365367]

>>6362113
Hm. I'm currently getting a degree in economics in Spain with no real motivation or goal in mind, but your way of life sure looks good. Might look it up when i finish.

[Anonymous No.6365374]

>>6365329
... what a pretentious fag you are.

[Anonymous No.6365377]

>>6365374
lol yeah ok

Why are you even on this board if you can't handle barely constructed expression ?

[Anonymous No.6365390]

Lisbon, but most of you are still too damned influenced to look at a city not yet ravished by the Tourism industry. London and Paris are dead and have been for a couple of years, everything there seems fake and looks the same.

[Anonymous No.6365393]

>>6365329
>And in those bars, those nightclubs, those parties, may you be surrounded by dozens you are still alone
I just don't have this experience. Of the many bars, clubs and parties Ive been too, Ive always felt among friends, as part of a collective, felt human bonds and emotions.

>You might even have a mouth wrapped around your cock but the emotional link is nowhere to be seen.
The emotional link is in the shared fun and pleasure. There is a difference between a loving marriage and a one night stand, but there is human connection, intimacy, fun.

>It is in those moments of crowdsurfing that the solitude strikes the hardest.
I think the problem may be within you, not within social situations. I feel most alone when in isolation, and feel no solitude when interacting in a social environment when there are people I know there. Do you have friends, people you care about, can joke around with? Is there anyone in your life that means something to you and can always make you laugh?

>the silence in response to your screams of despair is deafening.
This is not meant as an insult, but I actually feel a little sorry for you.

[Anonymous No.6365398]

>>6365393
Mind you that I was specifically talking about the university lifestyle anon

[Anonymous No.6365400]

>>6365377
If you really can't see how painfully affected your prose is, you really are beyond redemption.

[Anonymous No.6365404]

>>6365374

Substitute a few words with less fedora-tier ones and you'll see that he's... actually kinda right

[Anonymous No.6365408]

>>6365400
fucking autist I'm struggling to express a feeling that is beyond words, fuck off

I'm not even a native english speaker
If you don't have anything constructive to say, why waste your time posting ?

[Anonymous No.6365410]

>>6365278
This. At least for me. I go to the uni in my hometown and i fucking hate it. Can't wait to go somewhere else

[Anonymous No.6365424]

>>6365408
His definition of productivity is debunking others?

Don't let this nerd get you down, anon. I like you

[Anonymous No.6365449]

>>6365408
What you wrote could've been better expressed, without the pretension, like...

"People have a tendency to gather with others, regardless of who they are, because they think that's better than being alone. But you still feel lonely because your connection with these people is physically and mentally shallow. Then, having spent so long forcing yourself to maintain these sorts of 'relationships', you find yourself numb, even to grief. The fact is, you're insignicant, and the people you associate might as well be strangers to you."

[Anonymous No.6365452]

>>6365449
But this is a clinical description that doesn't convey the emotional depth of what I want to say, despite being textually expressive.

Surely there must be a middle ground. Thanks for the input regardless

[Anonymous No.6365460]

>>6365408>
What you wrote could've been better expressed, without the pretension, like...*

"People have a tendency to gather with others, regardless of who they are, because they think that's better than being alone. But you still feel lonely because your connection with these people is physically and mentally shallow. Then, having spent so long forcing yourself to maintain these sorts of 'relationships', you find yourself numb, even to grief. The fact is, you're insignificant, and the people you associate with might as well be strangers to you."

*Fixed the typo. ;)

>>6365452
Agreed, there must be a middle ground. Good luck finding it.

[Anonymous No.6365463]

>>6365408
What you wrote could've been better expressed, without the pretension, like...*

"People have a tendency to gather with others, regardless of who they are, because they think that's better than being alone. But you still feel lonely because your connection with these people is physically and mentally shallow. Then, having spent so long forcing yourself to maintain these sorts of 'relationships', you find yourself numb, even to grief. The fact is, you're insignificant, and the people you associate with might as well be strangers to you."

*Fixed the typo. ;)

>>6365452
Agreed, there must be a middle ground. Good luck finding it.

[Anonymous No.6365492]

>>6364877
>Dem girls.
Goddamn, son. I need to get Thailand.

[Anonymous No.6365534]

>>6364871
I have known before applying that grad school only appeals because it's a means to float around for another five years; that's probably why I'm not getting in. How can I express my gratitude for all that you've written? I have traveled many times and have been to impoverished areas so am comfortable being surrounded by individuals who reside in such areas; they tend to know how to love better than the educated, comfortable ones I am surrounded by here making their company more enjoyable. You speak often of how easy it is due to your being white, I am not, do you believe the ease of finding work is limited to those who are white? Thanks again for your detailed posts friend, you're changing lives!

[Anonymous No.6365563]

>>6365404
>posting Han Gong-ju
Nice taste.

[Anonymous No.6365681]

>>6364402
>>6364443

Sounds like Mexico City.

[Anonymous No.6365727]

Not a city per se but the South Wales valleys

[Anonymous No.6365760]

>>6365329
God, that was cringe inducing. If you're not 15 years old, don't even try to become a writer.

[Anonymous No.6365789]

>>6365329
That was awful.

[Anonymous No.6365791]

>>6361454
yeah that's true. When people think of new york they think of manhattan and nothing else, but the city is so fucking huge that you can find pretty much anything.

[Anonymous No.6365850]

>>6361838
>York
I do hope you're being ironic.

[Anonymous No.6365852]

>>6365850
Are you literally retarded?

[Anonymous No.6365853]

>>6365789
>>6365760
Read the thread samefag

[Anonymous No.6365854]

>>6365852
No, only figuratively.

[Anonymous No.6365856]

>>6365854
Well you sure are functionally retarded. Go look up on Nieuw Amsterdam.

[Anonymous No.6365859]

>>6365760
I'm already a writer, and I'm right regardless of my mastery of your shit language

[Anonymous No.6365861]

Portland, because it's full of writers who don't write and book snobs who don't read.

[Anonymous No.6365862]

>>6365861
Isn't Portland the hometown of SJWs and marxists ?

[Anonymous No.6365870]

Minneapolis

[Anonymous No.6365882]

>>6365862
I've lived in Portland for five years and have a lot of exposure to college age people. Generally, there are three types of young people in Portland politically speaking,
>full blown SJW
These are actually not all that common, but they stand out really prominently so they're hard to not fixate on.
>run of the mill party line democrats
These are all over the place. They're not particularly radical though and a lot of them own guns. A lot of them don't care about politics very much at all.
>centrists and conservative leaners from rural Oregon
There are a ton of these people around too. They're almost as common as the party line dems, but they care about politics almost as much as the SJW contingent.

There is a leftist tilt to much of the city's younger population, but it lacks the kind of hysterical nature of some of the bigger leftist cities. Everybody is so relaxed and polite as a rule that it's very easy to avoid political topics altogether. The SJWs are a hard contrast to the majority of the city. From what I've seen, they're almost always from someplace else and end up going someplace else. The bigger component of the Portland political environment is the early thirties yuppy with a late model Subaru who votes a straight dem ticket and then whines about his taxes.

[Anonymous No.6365910]

>>6365882
>he bigger component of the Portland political environment is the early thirties yuppy with a late model Subaru who votes a straight dem ticket and then whines about his taxes.

So bourgeois liberals?

[Anonymous No.6365919]

>>6360855
New York currently

Paris historically
>muh lost generation modernism

[Anonymous No.6365931]

>>6365910
You betcha'

[Anonymous No.6366006]

>>6365852
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_New_York_City_%281665%E2%80%931783%29#Early_English.2FBritish_period

One hundred and thirty years of British rule, during which British people flocked to the city. Its name comes from York.

Retard. It's as much British as it is is Dutch. You Americans are no better than the Australians when it comes to heritage.

[Anonymous No.6366053]

*tips bowler hat*

[Anonymous No.6366227]

>>6360855
>Which is the most /lit/ city?
I'm Surprised Prague hasn't been given a mention.

[Anonymous No.6366243]

>>6365870
I am >>6361436 and am still wondering why you two would say that. Am I missing something about my city?

[Anonymous No.6366520]

>>6366243
I live in the Twin Cities too. It seems literary. More so that any not-new-york-or-paris city than I know. Maybe it's all the Hmong and Somali folks.

[Anonymous No.6366778]

>mon visage quand Americans still believe in the myth that is Paris