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Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:30:53 2015 No.6355410 [DELETED]

Can we get a /lit/ inadequacy feels thread going?

>talk to vicar
>she has thread kids, all of them doing triple majors
>son majoring in Greek, Latin and theological studies
>other son is majoring in philosophy, history and Russian
>daughter is majoring in literature, art, and German

>mfw feels worse than having a two-inch dick

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:32:39 2015 No.6355415 >she has thread kids JESUS CHRIST

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:34:01 2015 No.6355426 >>6355410 >>son majoring in Greek, Latin and theological studies literally the only one doing a good major

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:36:36 2015 No.6355431 >>6355426 >tfw she showed me a sermon he wrote in Latin for Easter >tfw he's twenty >tfw there was also an English version of it that's incredible

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:36:52 2015 No.6355433 >>6355426 That's what happens when you start with the Greeks

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:39:17 2015 No.6355438 >>6355410 >vicar >she >this is what it's like to be part of a heretical collective

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:39:57 2015 No.6355439 >>6355410 achievements are spooks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:40:49 2015 No.6355440 File: 99 KB, 640x427, 1427981936726.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6355410 >female vicar Get out of here heretic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:43:54 2015 No.6355448 >>6355438 >implying Catholics won't have female priests before the end of the century

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:44:25 2015 No.6355450

>>6355431

Ignoring the fact that your vicar is a "she" and you're probably part of a church that doesn't have apostolic succession, and pretending you're Catholic:

That's nice and all, but let's be honest -- he's ahead of the curve, but he can't be ordained a priest in the Church until he's 25 anyways, and still has to sit through a seminary where he would be learning Greek/Latin anyways.

Besides, overwrought ambition is a sin. Just do what you can and the lord will be quite okay with that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:46:06 2015 No.6355454 >>6355448 I sincerely believe the church would allow gay marriage long before they allowed female priests aka never

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:47:05 2015 No.6355456 >>6355450 I'm Episcopalian, and I don't think he's actually planning on being a priest. He only took theological studies as a third major on the advice of his mother.

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:48:19 2015 No.6355461

>>6355454
The current Pope would probably allow female priests if it wouldn't cause a huge friggin' schism. My vicar's ordination was attended by two Catholic priests she's friends with, they even took communion (although they got a slight reprimand for this and had to penance or something).

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:48:41 2015 No.6355463

>>6355448
>implying such a church would remain "Catholic" after making this doctrinal
>implying I would remain a member of said church were this the case

If the Catholic Church attempted to ordain women, I would leave "it" (which wouldn't be The Catholic Church anymore) and join the schismatics or whatever large group formed in opposition--for there would be many in opposition.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:50:24 2015 No.6355465 >>6355463 The Old Catholic Church? oh wait, they've have female ordination since 1949. They're actually in full communion with us, pretty cool folks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:50:32 2015 No.6355466 >talk to vicar dropped

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:53:04 2015 No.6355477 >>6355463 >what is Papal infallibility You're a shit Catholic, m8, if the Pope ends up invoking that and you still leave

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:53:17 2015 No.6355479 >>6355465 You clearly didn't understand my post, which only confirms that many Anglican heretics are retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:53:33 2015 No.6355480 >>6355461 Catholics are as bad as protestants these days.

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:53:35 2015 No.6355481

The trouble about female ordination is: were there any female apostles? That's the whole reason behind there only being male priests. The Church believes that since all the apostles were male, only males can participate in apostolic succession.

I think, however, that you can make the argument that Mary Magdalene is considered an apostle. Gregory the Great even called her "the apostle to the apostles." And of course if you consider her an apostle, then women can take part in apostolic succession.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:54:55 2015 No.6355485 >>6355480 There's a large chunk of Catholics working toward female ordination. see womenpriests.org

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:55:06 2015 No.6355486 >>6355463 >2015 >obeying the antipope francis The catholic church ceased being catholic after vatican II

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:55:55 2015 No.6355487 >>6355481 Junia was also an Apostle.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:56:04 2015 No.6355488 >>6355481 It's more about tradition. If the Church has always ordained only males, then the Church should continue doing so and not pointlessly deviate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:57:01 2015 No.6355492 >>6355477 >pray with jews, buddhists, anglicans, native americans and other false religions, kiss koran >still be infallible How dumb do catholics need to be to believe this shit?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:57:09 2015 No.6355494 >>6355456 that's nice and all, but what's the point then? What's he going to work in? If the answer is "academia", I hope for his sake that he has a 4.0 and went to an Ivy or Oxbridge

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:57:31 2015 No.6355495 >>6355488 The Catholic Church didn't allow women on their periods to take communion a hundred years ago.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:58:01 2015 No.6355497 >>6355485 even worse than i thought>>6355488

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:58:29 2015 No.6355498 >>6355486 Exactly what happened at Vatican II? I don't follow this theology stuff

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 01:59:02 2015 No.6355499 >>6355488 Why does tradition matter? It's 2015! Get with the times! Besides the catholic church abandoned most of its traditions like 50 years ago.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:00:10 2015 No.6355503 >>6355498 The changed the liturgy and rites of mass so mass is no longer valid. Rites of ordination were changed so they are no longer valid. Francis isnt even really a priest since he was ordained in the new rite which is invalid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:00:23 2015 No.6355505 >>6355494 I don't know, but he's clearly pretty bright to be fluent in Latin at 20. Must be upbringing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:00:32 2015 No.6355507 >>6355498 Nothing that would have invalidated the succession of the popes. "Traditional" Sedevacantist Catholics are just a bunch of Latin-speaking fags that lack sufficient faith in God's Church.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:01:39 2015 No.6355509 >>6355499 >catholic church Please convert or an hero

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:02:26 2015 No.6355514 >>6355410 >Tfw you're doing a Computer Engineering Major

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:02:34 2015 No.6355515 >>6355503 Since Orthodox liturgy, mass and tires of ordination are different from Catholic, why do Catholic acknowledge Orthodox orders?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:02:41 2015 No.6355516 >>6355509 Convert to what?

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:02:53 2015 No.6355517

>>6355485

I believe that advocating for female ordination in the church as part of the clergy is actually considered complete obedience and maybe even heresy at this point

http://w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/apost_letters/1994/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_19940522_ordinatio-sacerdotalis.html

They can work toward it all they want, but unless the cardinals of the future somehow slip up and allow someone who's in support of female ordination not only rise to the rank of cardinal, but to that of pope, then nothing will change (and all for the better)

(let's be honest, the real reasons aside, imagine a female priest on her period or a mood swing or whatever. or a horny female priest who seduces a male priest. or the male priest who rapes or seduces the female priest. or sleeping your way to the top of the hierarchy, etc. Talk about an all around bad idea.)

>>6355488

this. The catholic church went a bit of a lurch forward with Vatican II, but they're still far from being the trend-following Anglicans who adopt the ideas of every degenerate that pops up in Britain wholeheartedly

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:03:43 2015 No.6355518 >>6355499 There are Episcopal parishes which are very traditional This one has High Mass in Latin http://www.advent-sf.org/

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:03:47 2015 No.6355519 >>6355515 Catholics will undoubtably recognise Anglicans soon. What will you say then?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:05:18 2015 No.6355522 >>6355410 Won't matter when they're living in a dumpster, now will it?

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:05:35 2015 No.6355523

>>6355517
>They can work toward it all they want, but unless the cardinals of the future somehow slip up and allow someone who's in support of female ordination not only rise to the rank of cardinal, but to that of pope, then nothing will change (and all for the better)
I'm sure a lot of them have, it's just a question of getting to the point where you can have female ordination without splitting the Church in half.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:05:35 2015 No.6355524 >>6355517 >married catholic priests will happen in your lifetime The pope's a Jesuit for Christ's sake. Of course it's going to happen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:06:42 2015 No.6355527 File: 148 KB, 816x979, rational_thinking_by_nayzak-d5p9ro1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw there will never be female imams

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:07:25 2015 No.6355529 >>6355516 The Catholic Church.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:07:58 2015 No.6355531 >>6355529 The Catholic Church doesn't exist any more.

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:09:15 2015 No.6355533

>>6355519
I want Catholics to recognize Anglicans. The Anglican communion is working very hard to unite all Apostolic churches again, and people are getting Apostolic to get in on that. The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, for instance, worked with independent Catholic Churches, Anglican churches, and apostolic Lutheran Churches (such as Sweden and Denmark) to get their priests and bishops ordained in the line. Once that was finished, they got into full communion with the Anglican communion in 2000. We're making real progress toward uniting the Church again, achieving communion with the Catholic Church would be great. A lot of us like the current Pope and have high hopes for a final reuniting of the Church in the future.

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:10:42 2015 No.6355537
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>>6355514

>tfw Computer Science major
> won multiple state-level science fairs when younger
> prestigious research opportunity at top-5 university for TWO summers in a row, beating out even those with connections
> taught myself from a Harvard list of classes required to graduate by topic

flash forward

> turning 17
> starting to lose interest, but keep going
> in the meantime, teach myself art history and drawing, but also lots of video games because I was lonely
> turn 18
> passion mostly gone
> study music theory intensively, relearn piano from when I was younger and learn some Scriabin sonatas, compose a bit, study music theory thoroughly from 1600ish to today
> turn 19
> get into literature
> currently spend 8-10 hours a day in uni library reading at least 2-3 books a day of high literary merit
> teaching myself Greek and Latin, brushing up on french and reading french literature like Corneille, Racine, Voltaire, Moliere
> finally decided I want to be either a priest/monk or writer, probably the former

> tfw haven't told dad yet
> probably going to go for a double major in CS / Literature
> he wouldn't let me go for a Philosophy major because I said something about why his Reagan rhetoric about Marxism was overly simplified or something, and he works for the government and won't stand of that sort

I honestly have no idea what I should do at this point. I feel I'm being really wishy washy in life, but I'm also recently turned 19 and I'm approaching the point in my life where I just need to pick something and go with it. I am very jealous of people around me without ambition, or those who are fine doing one thing for their whole lives. I really, really wish I could be like that

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:10:44 2015 No.6355538 >>6355531 Why would you say that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:11:13 2015 No.6355539 >>6355527 My vicar doesn't like Islam at at all, she says it is a very repressive religion, and she's been to Israel and seen it. She also dislikes Judaism and Israel, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:11:47 2015 No.6355542 File: 91 KB, 629x616, francis bartholomew getting the band back together.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6355533 Well that's what Nicea 3 is for, of course. The Happening commences in 2025.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:12:09 2015 No.6355545 File: 107 KB, 500x500, 1427820801069.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6355533 Lol... Christianity is a fucking joke. It must be destroyed!

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:12:26 2015 No.6355546 File: 191 KB, 1294x452, geANvPR[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6355527 >what is Sweden

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:13:10 2015 No.6355549 >>6355538 Because vatican 2. The pope is a heretic.

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:13:19 2015 No.6355551

>>6355533

Too late for that, they have turned from being a moderately respectable "branch" under that kinda lame branch theory to the slave of politics and degenerates. I wish too that the Catholic church COULD reach out to them more like they have with the Eastern Orthodox, but they really just can't anymore. 100 years ago it was a possibility.

Maybe I'm too optimistic about the Catholic church.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:13:44 2015 No.6355554 >>6355549 What was heretical about Vatican II?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:14:01 2015 No.6355555 >>6355546 oh shit my sides

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:15:56 2015 No.6355560 File: 37 KB, 229x377, 1385940059144.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6355546 That will never be accepted by Muslims. It's against shariah law.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:16:10 2015 No.6355561 >>6355555 >5 5s >tfw God has blessed this thread What religion are you anon? Catholic? Anglican? Sedevacantist? Lutheran? Solve the debates in this thread once and for all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:17:25 2015 No.6355566 File: 13 KB, 200x282, pynchon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6355561 I am thomas pynchon, actually so, catholic

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:18:15 2015 No.6355569 File: 9 KB, 793x121, 2015-04-04_02-24-02.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6355561 Catholic

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:19:08 2015 No.6355571 >>6355554 for those who oppose Vatican II, this is the large reason why: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernism_%28Roman_Catholicism%29

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:20:44 2015 No.6355577
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>>6355542
>tfw fundies in Burglerland will lose control as their parishes are united one by one in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church
>tfw Christian renaissance in literature, art and academics
>yfw you realize God exists

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:21:00 2015 No.6355579 >>6355539 Ah yes, the Anglicans have never really had to confront their ingrained Antisemitism. The denominations on the continent had to so some soul searching after cooperating with Nazis.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:21:38 2015 No.6355582 File: 156 KB, 620x400, pope-francis-papal-plane-catholic-church-one-world[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6355542 >Protestants will take this as a sign of the apocalypse

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:21:56 2015 No.6355583 [DELETED]

>>6355410
>>6355566

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>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:22:13 2015 No.6355584 >>6355577 Not going to happen. Being in communion with the catholic church doesn't mean people have to obey him or the church.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:22:14 2015 No.6355585 File: 35 KB, 640x302, _22544207bf2b09a1f27d3186e272a118208188a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6355551 Oh, no, you're not too optimistic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:22:20 2015 No.6355586 >>6355555 nice get friend >>6355566 nice get friend

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:22:51 2015 No.6355588 File: 32 KB, 103x112, 2015-04-04_02-28-24.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6355582 satan hungers

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:23:32 2015 No.6355589

>>6355577

maybe, if Catholicism weren't completely dying all over our continent while televangelists and Neil DeGrass Tysons draw in larger crowds year to year

http://www.tldm.org/News11/DevastatingDeclineReligiousOrders.htm

(also the reason why I want to be a priest or monk)

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:26:25 2015 No.6355598 >>6355584 They wouldn't be calling this council if there weren't something big planned. I think at least the Catholic and Orthodox Churches are going to try and unite.

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:28:37 2015 No.6355607
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>>6355579
But Nazis actually tried to suppress Catholicism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_Nazi_Germany

>>6355584
No, but it will make the Church into a serious force that will be on everyone's lips. It will probably make some of the brighter Protestants reconsider their position. Apostolic succession looks less important when Apostolic denominations are calling each other heretics, but when there is only One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, it grants incredible dignity to title. I mean, consider that Lutherans started making a big movement toward being Apostolic in the last couple of decades. That's a pretty big thing. What happens if it goes that way with other Protestants? Which would be much more likely once the Church is united.

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:28:49 2015 No.6355608 [DELETED]

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Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:29:06 2015 No.6355610

I go to state college and have a very difficult time with it. In my science classes and my writing classes, I get by well, but my GPA is always poor because I will take four classes in a semester and flunk one. I think it's because I made the mistake of taking "anthropology" (being called a bigot and told to write papers on nonsense) and other social sciences. In foreign languages, I picked up fast and had a good time, and in science and math I've gotten by even though I'm not particularly good at them. I am done dealing with professors and their bullshit. You're not "quirky," you're not funny, and you're not making yourself sound well-rounded and cultured quoting Betty Friedan in a lecture that has nothing to do with women or gender. The next time I hear the words "social construct" I think I'm going to scream. I read a lot of books and can hold a conversation about quite a few topics, but I'm just not good at school. I feel kind of dumb because of my schoolwork and I know I'm certainly no intellectual. Is it possible to be smart in an intellectual (for lack of a better word) sense and not academically-minded? I always wanted to become a childrens' schoolteacher, but if I don't get a degree, that's not a possibility.
>inb4 go to a better school
Medical expenses killed my already small budget for education.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:29:15 2015 No.6355612 >>6355586 too bad you didn't get a get, friend. Here, I'll donate the one I'll get with this post, and then we can spend some time washing each others' feet.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:31:05 2015 No.6355622 File: 72 KB, 319x211, 1427669619191.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6355612 >>6355586 let's try that again, with a nice jesuit pope to help us

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:32:49 2015 No.6355628 >>6355622 God wills it.

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:34:15 2015 No.6355633

>>6355505

oh, I don't doubt that. He's obviously extremely talented to be fluent with latin. That said, if not the (or, "a") church, then what? This isn't the old days where everyone went to school for either apothecary or latin/greek and was able to do something with them in the real world

(that said, it's too bad that this is a consideration today. Money is just too much, mane. I hope for his sake though that he finds something and puts his intelligence/knowledge to good use)

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>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:43:57 2015 No.6355650 >>6355639 The Lutheran World Federation in in full Communion withe Anglican Communion. My vicar is also a pastor at a Lutheran church, she does the service there, then comes to the Episcopal congregation and does Mass.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:45:16 2015 No.6355653 >>6355612 dostoevsky pls >>6355622 yes, deus vult thank you my friend

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 02:47:50 2015 No.6355657 >>6355650 Why does this even matter? What will happen if all the major denominations agree to be in communion? How will this fix christianity? No one gives a shit about christianity anymore. Especially the youth.

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 03:03:22 2015 No.6355693

>>6355657
I think part of the disillusionment with Christianity has to do with so much divisiveness in the religion. A unification could have the opposite effect, it might reach a lot hearts, it would be amazing.

I'm also not just talking about communion, but a single Church. There would be certain traditions parishes might preserve (the Catholic Church already has precedent for this for Anglican parishes which want to go Catholic), but it would be a single Church. The trick is dealing with Papal supremacy that would be required for Catholics to be okay with a merger. That in itself wouldn't be so hard, except for Papal infallibility. To deal with that, what probably has to be done is that the circumstances Papal infallibility can be invoked with have to be specific and limited enough to appease the merging denominations, but I think that can happen. I'm Episcopalian, and I'd be alright with Papal supremacy and even infallibility provided it has the right procedures and checks. Most major issues of doctrine should be dealt with through conference of bishops (which they generally are in Catholicism anyhow); Papal infallibility reserved for when there is a major dispute that bishops can't settle upon, then the Pope's infallibility may be invoked as the final arbiter on the matter.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 03:06:45 2015 No.6355703 File: 182 KB, 442x341, 1393784903747340.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6355519 >>6355533 >female bishops

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 03:10:38 2015 No.6355713 >>6355703 >>6355461 >>6355485 >>6355448

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 03:12:29 2015 No.6355716 >>6355461 no, he certainly wouldn't even before being a pope he was outwardly against things like gays adopting children no, never, no, he will never support female priests, and he would never even entertain the idea.

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 03:13:23 2015 No.6355718
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>>6355693
Most of the traditions are stupid. Unless you were born in them, they won't hold much significance. I just can't foresee the masses of irreligious people suddenly becoming interested in religion if all the churches come into communion. Most of Church life has little to do with the modern lives of young people. 'Getting involved' in a church when you've spent most of your life with nothing to with it doesn't seem worthwhile.

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 03:18:31 2015 No.6355726

>>6355716
He washed female feet, big thing. Said women need to take a far more active part in the Church and says they need to be involved in "important decisions, where the authority of the Church is exercised." When asked about female ordination, he didn't say he was against it, he said, "The Church has spoken and says no." He's not going to come out and support it because it would cause the Church to split, even if he didn't institute it.

Being pro gay is a considerable leap from being okay with female ordination. The Old Catholic Church started ordaining women in 1949.

But even as far as gays go, he is a very unusual Pope
http://www.washingtonblade.com/2015/03/23/pope-francis-meets-with-gay-trans-prisoners/

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 03:20:28 2015 No.6355729 >>6355716 Maybe not this pope, but you just need to get used to the idea. Eventually when you're all ready, it will be done.

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 03:21:51 2015 No.6355732

>>6355718
I think you're wrong. You see tradition as useless and stupid, and plenty of young people feel that way, it's true. But I think tradition is going to make a comeback, especially if the Churches merge. I think tradition can hold a lot of appeal for young people if it's done right, I think neoliberalism cannot keep giving people meaning, it will feel stale and empty after a while. Young people will swing toward tradition if only because they are dissatisfied, what is currently being pushed as fulfilling is a fad, and it will run its course.

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 03:25:32 2015 No.6355737
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>>6355732
Young people are going to other religions to satisfy this need. That is why they go to tibetan buddhism, zen, islam etc. Islamic traditions are more accessible than all the esoteric ritualistic crap that goes on at churches. Once it becomes more established in the white population then it will expand rapidly.

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 03:28:31 2015 No.6355738
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>>6355713
It may seem trivial for anglicans, but it is a matter of dogma as far as we are concerned. Pope Francis has stated explicitly that female ordination is not possible (see Evangelii Gaudium). Even Cardinal Kasper, very friendly to Anglicans, has said ordaining women has created a problem.

>>6355726
You do not understand, the pope is the servant of the Church. It would be like him saying "God don't real".

>>6355693
If there was to be a union, you would not have do give up your rites wholesale (save for some changes). But you should consider whether you want to believe as we do, and start to adopt some of our practices.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 03:29:07 2015 No.6355741 >>6355737 I don't think so. Christianity is growing at a much faster rate than Islam is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 03:30:04 2015 No.6355744 >>6355741 In the third world, yes. White people don't give a shit about religion in general though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 03:37:49 2015 No.6355753 >>6355495 >The Catholic Church didn't allow women on their periods to take communion a hundred years ago. women on their periods are even more delusional than their normal states (which is not much to begin with)

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 03:43:24 2015 No.6355761 >>6355537 nobody loves the choices indeed try CS/phil nonetheless, well unless your father supports you too much financially

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 03:48:11 2015 No.6355768

>>6355744
Yes, because they've been taught all the answers to life are in consumerism and following the myth that they'll be millionaires, and that is very effective short term, but it can't hold long term, generations can only keep affirming their identity through that so long before they realize it's empty..

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 03:48:33 2015 No.6355770 >>6355607 He said Anglicanism not Catholicism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 03:51:14 2015 No.6355773 >>6355770 He said "denominations on the continent", which presumably includes Catholicism, have to cope with their history of cooperating with the Nazis.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 04:08:29 2015 No.6355794 File: 9 KB, 183x275, learn.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6355768 I agree. That's why Islam is the answer.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 04:18:37 2015 No.6355812 >>6355794 Not sure how Islam deals with atonement for sin.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 04:21:14 2015 No.6355819 >>6355812 There is no original sin. You repent sincerely on your own to God, and do good works such as give charity.

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 04:33:31 2015 No.6355830

>>6355819
I don't think you realize that Christ doesn't just cover original sin, which most denominations don't even believe we suffer from the guilt of original sin. According to Jeremiah 31:29-30, once the new covenant is established, people will only be accountable for their own sins.

If charity cured sin, you wouldn't need God.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 04:35:01 2015 No.6355833 Thread kids are good at weaving a line

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 04:36:46 2015 No.6355836 >>6355410 This is what you get for going to a mainline church, OP. Go to an Evangelical church. The pastor will have graduated from an unaccredited American Bible college, and his children will be homeschooled by his wife. Instant superiority complex!

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 05:27:41 2015 No.6355890
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>>6355830
I know, I used to be Catholic.

Charity doesn't 'cure' sin. Ultimately it is all up to God, but Muslims consider that doing good deeds is one way of doing penance for sins.

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 05:46:32 2015 No.6355923
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>>6355410
I feel these everyday.
>will never get the best education in the world
>will never be as intellectually abled or have the deductive capacity as many people I know at those universities
>graduated from a two year school
>have been working temp job to temp job since then
>lack common sense
>physically terrible at everything I do and clumsy
>wholly uncompetitive and take failures very hard
I just want to find something that I am good at.

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 05:49:26 2015 No.6355929

>>6355890
Doing penance for sin doesn't erase sin. We are in an ocean of sin, God can either make us come out of it depriving us of all agency, or he can plunge himself into sin to offer us his hand, and that's going to hurt because the wages of sin are separation from God, God has to be separated from himself. If God did not do that, we could only come back by being remote controlled automatons, if at all, in which case we wouldn't have souls, in which case there would be nothing coming back to God. And that's suggesting God exert his will in sin (that is separating from himself), without his will ever actually descending into the wages of sin, which doesn't quite make sense; the idea of God remote controlling something, without that something having God's presence in it, doesn't stand to reason.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 05:58:15 2015 No.6355947 >>6355439 whatever you need to tell yourself...

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 06:06:27 2015 No.6355958 >>6355622 this caused me to convert

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 06:09:50 2015 No.6355965
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>>6355929
>Doing penance for sin doesn't erase sin.
Agreed
>or he can plunge himself into sin
That doesn't make sense. It's just a dogma. He made the laws, he forgives them. Simple. None of this blood sacrifice pagan nonsense is necessary.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 06:19:08 2015 No.6355983 So what's with the Catholic obsession with penises?

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 06:19:16 2015 No.6355984

>>6355965
I don't think you understand what "sin" is. Sin is not simply breaking the law, as in pissing of God. Sin is to turn away from God, that is to numb one's soul to spirituality in favor of non-spiritual satisfaction, which is ultimately empty, it superficial. It is like turning building a wall around your room so you can't hear your loved ones, and just focusing on video games or whatever rather than communion in love. Sin is to break away from communion with God, it's not some legalistic thing. When Christ said, "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?" he was expressing the agony of the wages of sin. These wages are not punishment, they aren't wrath, they are simply a natural conclusion stepping out of communion with God, God isn't tormenting you, it simply hurts being out of communion with him.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 06:25:35 2015 No.6355998 >>6355984 I suggest you read this, namely the Orthodox and Catholic understandings, since Episcopalians share much with those http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_hell#Orthodox_conceptions_of_hell

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 06:25:41 2015 No.6355999 >>6355984 That's a nice explanation but I still don't buy the dogma of Christ dying for our sins.

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 06:31:13 2015 No.6356009

>>6355999
Here is the Episcopal stance summed up well
http://archive.episcopalchurch.org/109399_14480_ENG_HTM.htm

Why do you have a problem with Christ having to die for sins? Christ had to enter in absolute separation from God, or else how would God's presences be down here for us in sin? Let alone in hell (the state Christ until he was risen).

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 06:32:40 2015 No.6356011 >>6356009 >the state Christ was in during his death until he was risen

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 06:34:29 2015 No.6356012 >>6356009 God becoming separated from himself is nonsensical. There is no need for any of this stuff.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 06:34:37 2015 No.6356013 >Islamists have to to post anime art to seem even remotely sane top kek

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 06:35:53 2015 No.6356014 File: 216 KB, 1280x824, islam_says_no_to_rape_by_nayzak-d7uyvay.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6356013 It's irony. I find the pictures hilarious.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 06:37:21 2015 No.6356016 >>6356012 It's not nonsensical, since sin is literally separation from God. How is God's presence supposed to be in separation-from-God without being separated from God?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 06:38:13 2015 No.6356018 There is nothing wrong about Vatican II.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 06:40:46 2015 No.6356024 File: 15 KB, 183x275, imagesd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6356016 >since sin is literally separation from God. That's a matter of definition. Why do you need to define it that way?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 06:42:34 2015 No.6356027 >>6356024 Because if sin were from God, then it would be holy. Sin is not from God, ergo it is separate from him.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 06:44:42 2015 No.6356030 >>6356027 How can something separate from God exist?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 06:46:31 2015 No.6356033 >>6356030 Through humanity's creation. Are you seriously going to suggest that sin is Godly?

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 06:51:58 2015 No.6356043

>>6356033
I'm questioning the ontological status of sin. How can something outside Being exist? Being is all there is, there is nothing outside it. Are you saying that humans create things that exist outside Being? If sins are 'non-being', then they don't actually exist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 06:53:00 2015 No.6356044 >>6356043 So you're saying Being and God are synonymous? You're a pantheist?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 06:54:42 2015 No.6356046 File: 185 KB, 750x870, Doctors of the Church.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6356044 God is the actuality of Being, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 06:57:56 2015 No.6356050 >>6356046 That is redundant. Being and actuality are synonymous. I'm going to asking you again: doing think think Being (to exist) is synonymous with God? Are you a pantheist?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 07:03:32 2015 No.6356057 File: 197 KB, 900x1181, islam_the_perfect_religion_and_best_way_of_life_f_by_saurukent-d4hnbkx.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6356050 >doing think think Being (to exist) is synonymous with God Allah is Being >Are you a pantheist No

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 07:04:29 2015 No.6356058 >>6356057 If you defined God as "what exists", then you are a pantheist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 07:05:22 2015 No.6356060 >>6356058 That's what westerners say about advaita vedanta, but it isn't actually the case.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 07:07:42 2015 No.6356065 >>6356060 I don't know enough about that comment, I only know that you are saying God and reality are synonymous, which is the definition of pantheism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 07:08:58 2015 No.6356070 File: 749 KB, 1024x684, 1409586854769.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6356060 >being this delusional

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 07:12:38 2015 No.6356077 >>6355505 >>6355633 If he was bright, he wouldn't be studying a dead language.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 07:13:15 2015 No.6356078 >>6356065 How can something that doesn't exist, exist?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 07:17:26 2015 No.6356085 >>6356078 Do you know what "synonymous" means? Grass is green, but "grass" is not synonymous with "green".

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 07:19:47 2015 No.6356090 >>6356085 >what are gradations/determinations of being

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 07:20:38 2015 No.6356092 >>6356070 >>6356090 Get out of here with your memetext, Niggle Faregg, leave them to it. It's interesting to read.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 07:25:28 2015 No.6356098 >>6356090 There are determinations of Being, but not gradations except relative to a specific determination of Being, not toward Being in toto.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 4 08:17:32 2015 No.6356170 File: 1.27 MB, 2560x1536, 1398573796743.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6356092 >interesting to read muslim animu shitposter

Anonymous Sat Apr 4 09:03:35 2015 No.6356269

>>6355737
They don't go into them. They don't even have them as a hobby but an identity. Same shit as people who call themselfs gamers in the last 5 years. They are just there for the identity, not for the hobby in-itself. There's a reason why Philosophy and Religion are higher forms of meaning than Ideology, let alone sub-cultures.

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