/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.6340936]

Is he the first person in history to have their magnum opus finished by other people in a different medium while still being alive?

[Anonymous No.6340942]

No

[Anonymous No.6340948]

All it proves is how bad a writer he is.

[Anonymous No.6340984]

Shakespeare did it before.

[Anonymous No.6341000]

>>6340936
Is he drowning in grool or sperm ?

[Anonymous No.6341005]

while "Magnum Opus" is commonly used to refer to a artists best work, its supposed to mean "great work", which game-o'-shit is not.

[Anonymous No.6341197]

test

[Anonymous No.6341301]

>And suddenly his cock was out, jutting upward from his breeches like a fat pink mast."

>She was sopping wet when he entered her. “Damn you,” she said. “Damn you damn you damn you.” He sucked her nipples till she cried out half in pain and half in pleasure. Her cunt became the world.

>He found a line and pulled on it, fighting toward the hatch to get himself below out of the storm, but a gust of wind knocked his feet from under him and a second slammed him into the rail and there he clung. Rain lashed at his face, blinding him. His mouth was full of blood again. The ship groaned and growled beneath him like a constipated fat man straining to shit.

>Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water.

[Anonymous No.6341352]

This has happened to a lot of Japanese people that have had tv shows made about their comics before they're done. But those aren't /lit/.

[Anonymous No.6341617]

>>6340936

harry potter you fucker

also everything about game of thrones fucking blows, you people need to grow up

[Anonymous No.6341621]

>>6340936

If you at all have any interest in Game of Thrones after early high school then you should probably consider growing up

[Anonymous No.6342205]

>>6341617
are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.6342234]

>>6341301
I don't think he's ever had sex, but I'd say he has a lifetime experience of being a fat man straining to take a shit, I mean he's been straining to finish the one shit for nineteen years now.

[Anonymous No.6342237]

>>6342234
>I don't think he's ever had sex

[Anonymous No.6342244]

>>6342237
did he just ask every black girl to get near him?
did he personally tell white girls to wait for the next photo and never took it?
why are they dressed so differently?

[Anonymous No.6342256]

>>6342237
I'd say even fangirl sluts have their limits, he literally looks like a mall santa who got extra cookies the past twenty years

[Anonymous No.6342260]

>>6342256
For women, social status comes first before looks

[Anonymous No.6342278]

Does posting about GRRM help you pretentious cunts with your lack of meaningful accomplishments in life?

Jesus, he puts out a fantasy series superior to most in the genre, becomes popular initially almost entirely through word of mouth, and once it enters the mainstream, every second post is

> old man taking a shit

Pic related

And yeah having the tv show finish his work makes no fucking sense, but it doesn't diminish the quality of the series

[Anonymous No.6342290]

>>6342260
Shame you have neither.

[Anonymous No.6342293]

>>6342278
>Does posting about GRRM help you pretentious cunts with your lack of meaningful accomplishments in life?

>Implying writing trashy genre fic that gets popular with nerds and normies is the height of what we consider accomplishment
>Implying the majority of us don't read or write to satisfy our own burning desire for knowledge and self fulfilment, judged only by ourselves and those we consider our equal
>Implying you're not butthurt because you don't like feeling like a pleb for reading this trash and considering it anything more than low brow entertainment

[Anonymous No.6342295]

>>6342278

[Anonymous No.6342370]

>>6342293
BTFO

[Anonymous No.6342396]

>>6342293
/thread

seriously the only difference between john green threads and GRRM threads is the latter bring the plebs out of the woodwork.

[Anonymous No.6342415]

>>6342293
Finish him.

[Anonymous No.6342416]

>>6342293
>Implying writing trashy genre fic that gets popular with nerds and normies is the height of what we consider accomplishment

he didn't imply that. he implied however paltry you might consider GRRM's accomplishments, they're still greater than yours

which, if your chief motivation is knowledge and self-fulfilment, could be taken to mean that you're unlearned and unfulfilled, and/or, if you don't even consider personal success in these endeavours an accomplishment, that worse than having no ambition, you are a hobbyist, wilfully approaching enlightenment not as an ideal but as a raft to carry you on pleasantly through to the end

[Anonymous No.6342450]

>>6342256
>he literally looks like a mall santa who got extra cookies the past twenty years

>>6342244
did he just ask every black girl to get near him?

[Anonymous No.6342472]

>>6341301
I cringe at remembering my reading the five books a few years ago and thinking they were great and going so far as to recommend them.

[Anonymous No.6342666]

>>6341301

While I'm not trying to compare the literary merit of the two, one could just as easily cherry pick similar quotes like this from Gravity's Rainbow.

[Anonymous No.6342839]

>>6341005
It's his greatest work. Prove me wrong, what else could compare?

[Anonymous No.6342888]

>>6340936
No, because the info, including the ending, which he gave to the show creators is entirely different to what he has planned for his novels. He fed them bullshit so the show can conclude and the books will take a completely unexpected path which will take everyone by surprise.

Also
>/lit/ still feels the need to shitpost in martin threads
top kek guys, top kek. That obsession must be torture.

[gandalf No.6342910]

>implying A Song of Ice and Fire is his true magnus opus.

[Anonymous No.6342918]

>>6342416

> GRRM's accomplishments, they're still greater than yours

that's such stupid reasoning though, and i've noticed it is often the ultima ratio of plebs around here. an appeal to popularity combined with a personal attack, as if you have to be a rich popular author to judge books, what a load of shit. martins' books are so shitty. i read a fairly large proportion of genre "pleb" books and I found ASoIAF to be boring, uncompelling, and trite. Wow knights and ladies, sex and violence, sure haven't seen that a million times before. how is it different than all those 1980s/1990s tv adaptations of Robin Hood or King Arthur? Speaking of which the tv show sucked too.

[Anonymous No.6342924]

>>6340936
A better question:

Is he the only author alive to unintentionally buttfluster so many internet posters to the point that they don't recognize their shitposting is in fact an insatiable desperation?

What do you call it when someone is unaware that their jest/mockery is an addiction? Is there even a term for this?

It's like a case of the trolls unconsciously being trolled.

[Anonymous No.6342940]

>>6342918
>and I found ASoIAF to be boring, uncompelling, and trite. Wow knights and ladies, sex and violence

admitting a 'pleb' work went over your head

good thing you're anonymous

[Anonymous No.6342985]

GRRM is a great writer when looked at with a really broad lens. I mean this literally in that he has very detailed overarching plots and worldbuilding, which is great to think about after the fact and appreciate. But if you look at him with a very focused lens, as in trying to glean any sophistication out of his actual prose and diction, then you're gonna have a bad time. In other words he's great when you're not reading him but he's awful during the act of reading.

[Anonymous No.6343023]

>>6341301
Just for fun, can anyone look up for quotes that are impressive?
I can't remember such a thing because I dropped a long time ago but someone might still be keeping up.

>>6342839
Even if it is his greatest work, can it really deserve the status of magnum opus if it's that bad?
Not even counting the topics, tone, or subject; GoT goes nowhere and everywhere for any and no reason.

[Anonymous No.6343040]

>>6342416
Are you trying to imply that GURM is getting anywhere near to enlightenment for writing trash that wouldn't pass through a pulp magazine's editor?
Having standards defined by shock-value and sales, and being ambitious are different things.

[Anonymous No.6343048]

>>6342918
>that chart

>most read
>goes by number of copies sold

>implying most people who have a bible actually read it

[Anonymous No.6343053]

>>6343023
>Even if it is his greatest work, can it really deserve the status of magnum opus if it's that bad?
It isn't bad though. The only genuinely bad things are the prose of certain passages (which are downright awful at times). There is too much that the series as a whole does well to be simply written off as 'bad'.

>GoT goes nowhere and everywhere for any and no reason.
I don't even know what this is supposed to mean but it sounds like a pretty simplistic reading of the books.

[Anonymous No.6343065]

>>6341301
>>And suddenly his cock was out, jutting upward from his breeches like a fat pink mast."
>The ship groaned and growled beneath him like a constipated fat man straining to shit.

Is /lit/ the only place on the internet that honestly believes the author wrote this without genuine humour in mind? Are you people that daft?

[Anonymous No.6343073]

>>6343040
>all these regurgitated stock 'criticisms' and memes
>trying this hard

[Anonymous No.6343091]

>>6342839
Sandkings.

[Anonymous No.6343094]

>>6343073
>muhmemez
GRRM has no depth of any kind.

[Anonymous No.6343106]

>>6343094
>trash
>pulp
>shock-value

You managed to put three into a single tiny post. That aint a bad effort.

However you mother would probably be disappointed with just
>GRRM has no depth of any kind.
Step your game up nigga

[Anonymous No.6343120]

>>6343106
Have you read him or are just pretending to be retarded?

[Anonymous No.6343372]

>reading for any reason other than enjoyment and escapism

Wow the NEET on the Turkmenistani Cave Art imageboard is so enlightened because he forces himself to read boring tomes

[Anonymous No.6343419]

>>6342940

well enlighten me fagtron what did I miss out on? I doubt the legions of fans who lap that shit up are really digging into the subtext

[Anonymous No.6343434]

>>6342940
>implying there is anything more than soap opera inconsequential drama

hurrr le meme criticism that is entirely true.

[Anonymous No.6344044]

>>6343434
>soap opera
nice meme

>inconsequential drama
but that's wrong. now you're just pulling any old random thing from your ass.

[Anonymous No.6344065]

>>6344044
Its not a "meme" if its true.

And no, hes not wrong. In fact the entire series of GoT is shit.

You can palpably experience the corners he writes himself into. When whos dagger the assassin had was supposed to be a mystery, oh hurr durr its the little shits dagger.
whole books are skippable with cliff notes and nothing is missed because the story is not even worth taking.


Asoiaf is the literal embodiment of everything wrong with genre fiction.

[Anonymous No.6344068]

>>6343372
So this is how you fantasy-reading manchildren rationalize your poor reading choices.

[Anonymous No.6344074]

>>6340936

Arthur C. Clarke/Kubrick/2001

[Anonymous No.6344082]

>>6344065
>When whos dagger the assassin had was supposed to be a mystery, oh hurr durr its the little shits dagger

This is one of the weakest efforts I've ever seen at explaining why something is shit. Even just formally, it's poor:

>when [plot point] was supposed to be a mystery, oh hurr durr [resolution]

You can see how lacking in persuasive power that is, right?

GoT is enjoyable trash, why people get super worked up about it - for or against - is puzzling to me.

[Anonymous No.6344084]

>>6344065
It is a meme, you'd have to be brand new not to know that it's one of /lit/'s favourites when shitposting about these books. You couldn't begin to describe why it is a soap opera without relegating a host of well regarded works as soap operas too.

The series is A Song of Ice and Fire, not Game of Thrones.

>When whos dagger the assassin had was supposed to be a mystery, oh hurr durr its the little shits dagger.
It wasn't a mystery. The story plays with the readers presumptions and convinces them the dagger belonged to one character, then eventually reveals it belonged to another, thereby altering and revealing those character's motivations. This isn't what a mystery means, nor does it have anything to do with supposed corners Martin writes himself into. You're all over the place bud.

>whole books are skippable with cliff notes
Everything is skippable with cliffnotes

>and nothing is missed because the story is not even worth taking.
You've just demonstrated you missed something which is explicitly explained to the reader, you're not going to have much luck if you're that daft.

[Anonymous No.6344093]

>>6343372

Novels about real people aren't boring to non-pedophiles.

[Anonymous No.6344189]

>>6344082
read on anon, I'm not judging you. They are easy reads but it is kinda a laugh when people argue they are something special.

>>6344084
>It is a meme, you'd have to be brand new not to know that it's one of /lit/'s favourites when shitposting about these books.

>implying posting Asoiaf is not itself the shitposting.
>implying even though its a common criticism its not true

>Everything is skippable with cliffnotes
not when the book is actually about the reading experience and not just the "plot".

Hurr durr fat retard stabs anchunt evul with obsidian dagger with his eyes closed and kills it.
Hurr durr wandering through desert starving ??? suddenly city with food, wander more ??? suddenly city that opens its doors to us and give us stuff we need to advance plot for free. walk along ??? come to mercenary city, buy mercenaries and use them to kill their sellers i wonder how nobody ever did this before
character is killed so epic, oops we needed her okay shes a zombie now XD
kill all characters come back zmbiz. comic book teir writing. Soap opera writing OOOPS BUT THATS A MEME SO IT DUN COUNT

XDDD cant wait for this fat chode dick hack to make 3 more books full of bullshit before some dragons breath fire on the ANCHUNT EVUL and some stark has a kid or some bullshit.

EEEPPIKK

[Anonymous No.6344204]

>>6344189

I can't escape the feeling that greentexting

>hurr durr grrm is shit

is the only appropriate response. It's the only level you seem capable of communicating on.

[Anonymous No.6344217]

>>6344189
Holy hell, this was painful.

You don't mid if I screen cap it?

[Anonymous No.6344218]

>>6344204

In order to talk to children you must get on their level.

[Anonymous No.6344221]

>>6342910
Underrated post.

[Anonymous No.6344223]

>>6344189
now that you memed ASOIAF, can you do this book

[Anonymous No.6344227]

>>6343040
>Are you trying to imply that GURM is getting anywhere near to enlightenment for writing trash that wouldn't pass through a pulp magazine's editor?

nothing I said implies that. if you're the person I replied to, you're not very good at inference.

[Anonymous No.6344246]

>>6344218

>hurr durr grrm apologists are children

[Anonymous No.6344248]

>>6342918
>an appeal to popularity combined with a personal attack, as if you have to be a rich popular author to judge books, what a load of shit.

but that wasn't the point. the point was that the sort of judgment of GRRM's work passed on /lit/ usually and evidently aren't motivated by, for example, a desire to define and understand literary methods and merits (like a substantiated criticism would), but are purely psychological/emotional exercises in self-pity and -satisfaction

[Anonymous No.6344272]

>>6344246

No they are most certainly full grown adults, and that is why its a tragedy.

The children just watch the TV show version.

god damn, I guess they miss all those simply epic descriptions of food:

"The servants brought out the second course: Bacon wrapped eel, stuffed with butter and mushrooms; fried onions drowning in butter; great horns of spicewine. Tyrion's chalice was filled by a buxom wench so that her super big breasts were right in his face, and she winked at him and giggled out a simple: 'anything else m'lord?'; Tyrion felt his twisted disfigured prick which curved right like a fishing hook make his leather trousers quite tight indeed! 'my dear girl, what your lord would like further from you, im afraid, would not be appreciated in a public place' Tyrion said with a sly smirk that indicated his coolness to the reader. The buxom wench giggled, and Tyrion pinched her ass as she made her way off down the table. But he was left to think, over the butter and onions and butter-stuffed onions, that he was ugly as fuck and she probably didnt just want the dick; but instead she would only want the dick in order to get his gold. 'sluts and butter and onions' Tyrion said under his breath before he brought his horn of spice wine to his face in order to take a deep alcoholic gulp"

[Anonymous No.6344404]

I submit to the gentlemen of the jury that a good chunk of the GRRM hate here is solely due to the fact that the TV show made him very popular among the general public, and many pretentious hipsters here simply cannot stand that, after all something popular can't also be good, right?

If there was no tv show and GRRM was just a normal fantasy writer like say, Le Guin or Wolfe you could talk about him all you want without all these people getting buttmad.

[Anonymous No.6344407]

>>6344272
No wonder he's fat

[Anonymous No.6344432]

>>6342839
Fevre Dreams >>> Lame of thrones.

Fevre Dreams I actually the only work I liked from RR M

[Anonymous No.6344457]

>>6344404

Cliched as the judgement may be, it's hard to think otherwise.

[twinshia No.6344466]

>>6340936
I love game of thrones, david foster wallace could learn from this faggot.

[Anonymous No.6344468]

>>6344404
>If there was no tv show and GRRM was just a normal fantasy writer
It wouldn't make his books less boring.

>like say, Le Guin or Wolfe
I love Aprils fools

[Anonymous No.6344472]

>>6342295
Well meme'd... Well meme'd indeed

[Anonymous No.6344502]

>>6344468
>It wouldn't make his books less boring.

It would probably make you less apt to moan incessantly about them, no?

[Anonymous No.6344541]

>>6344502
>It would probably make you less apt to moan incessantly about them, no?
I'd moan about it every time there would be a thread about it.
Just like now.

[Anonymous No.6344547]

>>6344541
of course anon

[Anonymous No.6344550]

>>6344541
>I'd moan about it every time there would be a thread about it.

No, you wouldn't.

[Anonymous No.6344557]

>>6344502
>dat shoulder to hip ratio
that's a very good lucking transgirl.

[Anonymous No.6344560]

>>6342278
>Does posting about GRRM help you pretentious cunts with your lack of meaningful accomplishments in life?

But Anon, aren't you doing that right now?

>>6342290
#kekt

[Anonymous No.6344565]

>>6344550
Yes I would.

I also have a very strong dislike for Wheel of Time.
I whine less about Malazan but still dislike it

[Anonymous No.6344576]

>>6344557

I don't think that jazz is locked in until puberty's complete. She's like 12 in the picture, which is what makes it amusing.

>>6344565
>Yes I would.
>I whine less

See? Even you knew I was right.

[Anonymous No.6344602]

>>6344576
>See? Even you knew I was right.
Because I think Malazan has better writing than Game of Thrones.

If they make a series about Malazan I would still whine as much about it as I do now.
Also I've always been critical of Game of Thrones.

Every long fantasy series is shit, no exception.

[Anonymous No.6344624]

>>6344602
>If they make a series about Malazan I would still whine as much about it as I do now.

Even you don't believe this, though. You just resent other people knowing it's false. You resent what it implies about you.

And so you struggle - in vain, I assure you - to retain control over the image your actions present to the world around you. None of us gets to choose, unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.6344632]

>>6344624
Why would I dislike a series more if there is a tv show about it?

Whatever you must be trolling since it's april fools.

[Anonymous No.6344642]

>>6344632
>Why would I dislike a series more if there is a tv show about it?

Because the show's popularity provides a starker contrast between its devotees and the self-image you want to project like, duh.

[Anonymous No.6344670]

This thread is trash.

[Anonymous No.6344935]

>>6341301
>The ship groaned and growled beneath him like a constipated fat man straining to shit.

Holy shit, is this actually a line from one of his novels? I'm not even mad, that's fucking hilarious.

[Anonymous No.6344956]

>>6342666


well satan, the thing is: when you read the quotes from GR you are actually disgusted by the description of something that is supposed to be disgusting, its not just talk of poop, it gets your skin crawling; GRRM on the other hand just sounds like an goofy fat guy who uses shit and cunt for no reason and to no effect.

[Anonymous No.6345288]

There's not a single popular thing that is /lit approved, not because what's popular is automatically bad, but because its all pretentious cunts on here.

[Anonymous No.6345292]

>>6345288
no, you're just a faggot

[Anonymous No.6345532]

>>6341301
cherrypicking the post

[Anonymous No.6345549]

>>6343094
>GRRM has no depth of any kind.

He's good with foreshadowings.

[Anonymous No.6347139]

At least I find interesting that he writes his novels on an old DOS computer.

[Anonymous No.6347161]

>>6342985
>>6342985

[Anonymous No.6347185]

>20 years and 1.7 million words later the series still isn't finished

are you serious

[Anonymous No.6347770]

>>6344457
>>6344404
The tenth circle of hell is reserved for samefags. Take care.

[Anonymous No.6347777]

>>6344670
>This thread is trash.
ASOIAF fans are the dumbest people on this board. What did you expect?

[Anonymous No.6348422]

>>6347770

There is no hell, nor was that samefagging.

[Anonymous No.6348439]

> tfw my friends love his books

[Anonymous No.6348502]

I think asoiaf is low culture, but very good low culture. it's entertaining and imaginative with plenty of world building. the first 3 books at least are well put together. the problem with books 4 and 5 is that they're too bloated and slow paced. with proper editing, feast and dance could've been a single book no longer than aSoS imo.

I respect this series, especially the first 3, although I think calling GRRM the American Tolkien is hilarious.

I'm sure I'm going to get backlash for this, but I'm honestly not sure why /lit/ hates asoiaf so much.

[Anonymous No.6348540]

>>6348502
It has annoying fans and /lit/ (publicly) hates genre fiction, but whatever.

The first three were good, but then he lost the plot and has just been treading water.

V4 & 5 were supposed to be one volume. The first "half" was released in 2005, already three years off the two year pace established by the first three.

Volume 5 appeared six years after that, five after it was promised.

You could combined the books and cut for a better read (I'll take your word for it -- I gave up), but that would have meant releasing it 11 years after volume 3. Not practical commercially, and not a sign of a writer in command of his story.

At this point he just needs to step aside and let HBO ghost write it for him, if that's not happening already.

[Anonymous No.6348546]

>>6348502
>I respect this series, especially the first 3, although I think calling GRRM the American Tolkien is hilarious.

I agree with your assessment of Martin. But I also think Tolkein is overrated. "Not another fucking elf" more or less sums up my attitude to LOTR, for example. And I think it shares the need for an editor's attention (the books should be intercut by chapter, rather than just separated). I'm not on board with calling Marting 'the American Tolkien' largely because I resent the tendency to dub someone 'the [adjective] [proper noun]' generally.

[Anonymous No.6348554]

GoT makes for excellent TV

Shitty book series though

[Anonymous No.6348557]

>>6348540

this was a reasonable post. I agree that GRRM has lost the thread of this story. HBO is doing a fine job.

you should take my word for it, feast and dance had a decent installment in the midst of them. but as it stands, asoiaf has lost its direction and is bursting at the seams. he needed editors more than anything, but it's too late now.

I also think the fame and success had a very negative effect on GRRM as a writer.

[Anonymous No.6348563]

>>6348546

the elves were kind of overdone. I think Tolkien got really sucked into his creation and elaborated for the sake of doing so. this was compounded by his linguistic studies.

LOTR is among my favorites, though. it's impossible to deny its massive influence on pretty much all nerd fag fantasy of the past 50 years.

[Anonymous No.6348615]

>>6348563

Oh yeah, no denying its influence.

[Anonymous No.6349248]

>>6342234

I don't know how, but he got himself a wife. I don't know what she looks like, mind you.

[Anonymous No.6349278]

>>6344074
If I remember correctly, the film and the novel were written simultaneously, and Kubrick and Clarke agreed to release the novel after the film.
But yeah, it's a good example.

[Anonymous No.6349332]

>>6347777
FUCKING
CHECKED

[Anonymous No.6349347]

I hate GRRM so goddamn much

Gene Wolfe and Kentaro Miura are the superior edgelords of fantasy.

[Anonymous No.6349433]

>>6342918
>Top two books are ideological pieces bought in droves and thrown at people in hopes they read them.

[Anonymous No.6349444]

>>6340936

I think there are more VC Andrews novels published since she died than she actually wrote herself.

[Anonymous No.6349491]

>>6342205
Just female

[Anonymous No.6349716]

>>6348554
>GoT makes for excellent TV

>Shitty book series though
top lel for both

[Anonymous No.6349762]

>>6340936
Mark Millar.