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Do you believe in the teaching power of metaphors, anon ?

>> No.6333075

Yeah, I do. I wrote a paper on Aesop not one week ago.
His eclipses the teachings of Homer of Sappho of Aristotle and Plato.
Anyone who claims otherwise is dumber than dirt

>> No.6333129

>>6333032
Yep.
Easy and rich tool that's able to convey complex meanings by the holy power of the equality of relations.

>> No.6333137

>>6333032
>Do you believe in the propaganda power of metaphors, anon ?
of course I do

>> No.6333145

>>6333137
Feel free to elaborate, anon

>> No.6333175

Who was it who said that an expert use of metaphor is the surest indication of brilliance?

>> No.6333462
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6333462

I think it was Aristotle, but that seems a little antiquated...

>> No.6333476

Metaphors are indispensable for thought and knowledge in general.

Metaphorizing for no good reason other than showing off mental masturbation makes for shoddy, lazy writing.

>> No.6333493

>>6333476
I agree with your position.

>>6333462
Did you dig up your notes just for us ? Thank you anon.

>> No.6333501

>>6333145
metaphors are usually simplifications and include wrong implications. if used poetically that means expanding on both sides, but if used to transmit knowledge it only means including false data that can easily be exploited.
Consider racist propaganda in the early years of the US
Both Irish and Africans were depicted as monkeys in propaganda, that was for different reasons but somehow made them seem like the same in the public eye. Both jews and japs are depicted as rats, and again even if it's for different reassons the connection between both groups seemed evident.

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>>6333493
You're welcome. Here is an example of how metaphors can be used to create ambiguities.

>> No.6333531

>>6333501
I agree with your points. This is why metaphors are a particularily difficult craft; they must avoid abusive conclusions and wrongful interpretations-- much like a double edged sword.

It also appears that we should be extra cautious while reading them-- not only when writing them.

>>6333514
Thanks a lot for this m8

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>>6333531
Do you want more on Epigrams?

Name a subject, I might have it, in various stages of completion...

>> No.6333567

If I didn't believe in it, I wouldn't be trying to destroy it.

>> No.6333572

>>6333563
Honestly, if you could dump all that you have right now, if that's not too much work, I'd be grateful

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6333592

I consider these executive epigrams, based on a certain perspective or summary of life.

>> No.6333607

>believe

whats there to believe? it is a fact that thats the only way we grasp our environment. thats the way the human mind works. if you think you are not in front of one that just means youve been fully captivated by it; if you are aware of it, think again cause your mind is making a metaphor about it and linking it to other stuff in your mind.

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6333608

These are more judicial, in the sense that you have to have made a more concise, individual judgment for them to come off.

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6333636

This is a curiosity: a poetic form created for when you are writing as the figure in the painting!

For example, if your poetic conceit was that you were the wife in a Norman Rockwell painting, for example, or St.Thomas in an icon painting.

>> No.6333643

>>6333636
Those are not dictionary definitions in purple btw.

>> No.6333663

>>6333636
Keep em coming m8

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6333677

Italian sonnet.

We'll do rhetoric next.

>> No.6333679

>>6333636
These are quality, thanks

>> No.6333680

>>6333032
that's a cute fox :3

>> No.6333693

>>6333514
>monologue
It's soliloquy, dummy! F-!

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6333716

Shakespeare's joking line of argument.

Many of his characters monologue to themselves in front of others, or pretend to.

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Greek speech, to the extent that I grasp it. Compare it with Paul's epistles for example (circled here).

>> No.6333731

>>6333716
>>6333721
That's very interesting, where do you get those ? Classes I assume ?

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>>6333731
Nope, I got them from a quote book and a history of Miletus, respectively. You can see that Ionic and Attic are related. Aeolian and Doric are also related.

This is Rhetoric - Invention.

>> No.6333766

>>6333592
>dedicatory
I don't know about Europe, but apparently when a wealthy arab had a fountain or other public thing made it was customary to pay a poet to make a small dedication that could also have a numerological meaning. Like the year the buyer was born, a significant religious year or some other thing.
I don't know if that double meaning counts as a metaphor, though.

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6333769

Rhetoric - arranging the argument

>> No.6333783

This things are great, I'm gonna copy them and put them in my wall to recheck now and then.
Is it just a hobby or did you have to memorize this things for something?

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I'm the son of an ex-pastor, and so I grew up wanting to know the method of formal presentations. I also fell in love with the Greek Anthology as a teenager.

Rhetorical style.

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>>6333799
Stop making me fall in love with you, Anon!

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>>6333799
Thank you for your time man
These will go nicely on my well panel

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6333853

Rhetorical memory - how do you retain your speech in your head?

Remember, the Romans laughed off every politician who used notes... Everything had to be memorized, or they threw tomatoes at you and your career was over. The solution was to begin 'In the first place', and imagine yourself walking through a house of argument. If you went to one locality in your district, you had to know its history, it's attitudes, and it's beliefs... What gods did they worship? What heroes? What dialect did they use? How should you speak, therefore?

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Rhetorical gesture.

How do you embody the speech? How do you perform it naturally, while at the same time allowing it to empower others?

https://youtu.be/DawnqpftKsg

>> No.6333886

>>6333853
Well, in Phaedrus Socrates makes a sort of decent argument against written archives of any kind, mostly those used to taught

>> No.6333908

holy shit it's this notes faggot again get >>>/out/

>> No.6333929

>>6333886
Oh yeah, it was the best idea the ancients ever had. I'd love to see political debates broadcast without notes of any kind. We see Bill Clinton having to deal with the loss of a TelePrompTer at Obama's re-election campaign. The media thought he did well, but he just complimented Michelle Obama and repeated some generalia.

>> No.6333942

>>6333908
It's interesting, fuck off

>> No.6333948

>>6333942
>big ass notes written in 14 yr old girl handwriting
>interesting

>> No.6333956

>>6333948
You're not worth more of my time

>> No.6333957

>>6333929
>Postman gives a striking example: The first fifteen U.S. presidents could probably have walked down the street without being recognized by the average citizen, yet all these men would have been quickly known by their written words. However, the reverse is true today. The names of presidents or even famous preachers, lawyers, and scientists call up visual images, typically television images, but few, if any, of their words come to mind. The few that do almost exclusively consist of carefully chosen soundbites.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death

It would still had been nice if they recorded some of their ideas for future generations, though.

>>6333942
>hating on 14yr girl handwriting

>> No.6333958

>>6333766
Hmm. An auspicious year had to be commemorated? Probably partly owing to Eastern traditions?

>> No.6333966

>>6333956
>>>/reddit/

>> No.6333969

>>6333948

I'd kill to write as neatly as a 14 year old girl. They're pathological.

>> No.6333972

>>6333958
The ones they showed me were well into muslim times, usually the fountains you use to clean yourself before entering the mosque. And the numerology was as weak as any. The guy obviously could only expand those he was told but couldn't check a random one and interpret it.

>> No.6333982

>>6333032
The only things metaphors can reliably teach you are: not to use them for any purpose requiring clarity, like teaching does; being critical of unconsciously established associations of ideas; in recursion, their use for poetic purposes.

>> No.6334004

>>6333982
Why do you think metaphors are of no use when clarity is required?

>> No.6334086

>>6334004
Not this guy, but he probably means they are unnecessary and only a tool to better explain something.

If you are good enough at explaining, you don't need the secret weapon that is the metaphor.