Can we talk about graphic novel masterpiece ? What's your opinion about this one : BLACK HOLE by Charles Burns ?

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Anonymous Fri Mar 27 20:35:37 2015 No.6325345 [Reply] [Original]

Can we talk about graphic novel masterpiece ?

What's your opinion about this one : BLACK HOLE by Charles Burns ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 20:43:39 2015 No.6325365 File: 436 KB, 640x360, They bought it.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6325345 Yes yes! Keep calling the comic books which idealize sleaze masterpieces! Good, good!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 20:44:28 2015 No.6325367 >>6325345 Pretty good. I also like Big Baby and El Borbah.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 20:45:02 2015 No.6325370 >>6325345 Does she have a tail?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 20:48:35 2015 No.6325380 File: 50 KB, 700x570, Jimmy_Corrigan_Hardback_cover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Read this recently. That was pretty good too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 21:00:42 2015 No.6325423 >>6325365 Get off the internet, grandpa.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 21:02:51 2015 No.6325429 >>6325345 The only comic worth your time is Preacher. Capeshit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 21:05:46 2015 No.6325441 >>6325345 looks like garbage

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 21:05:50 2015 No.6325442 >graphic novel >muh length its a fucking comic book graphic novel was a term made up by Will Eisner to sell publishers on producing his comic

Anonymous Fri Mar 27 21:10:18 2015 No.6325466
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>>6325345
>>6325380
It's always the same. Burns, Clowes, Ware. Oyasumi Pun Pun, Blankets, Asterios Polyp. Tatsumi might get mentioend. MAYBE someone mentions Eisner.
Those are all great pics but you should broaden yourselves. I'm sure Michael deFroge gets read here, but does anyone else read Sam Alden? Evan Dahm, Emily Carroll, or any other great webcomics? My regular webcomics I'm following are Blindsprings, Vattu, Johnny Wander/Lucky Penny, Octopus Pie, and Rickety Stitch and the Gelatinous Goo (waiting for Shi Long Pang to return). Of those I definitely recommend the first two, the first of which is still pretty new but has nice art and could be interesting.

Anonymous Fri Mar 27 21:14:31 2015 No.6325485

>>6325442
I don't think Eisner invented the term. He called comics Sequential Art, however, and is credited with the first attempt at making a Graphic Novel. Actually Milt Gross was the first to do an American graphic novel with He Done Her Wrong. (I think the term itself is meaningful if we limit it to the idea of a comic book novel, eg: A Contract with God, Black Hole, etc.)

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 21:21:55 2015 No.6325519 >>6325345 I actually read this one and enjoyed it. I've also read Watchmen of course. I don't read many other comics, aside from the million Archie comics digests I've got in a box. I prefer those.

Anonymous Fri Mar 27 21:27:13 2015 No.6325551
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>>6325466
Whenever I mention Sam Alden I get a "well, duh" reaction and no one wants to discuss his various uses of tools to generate motion and ambient ;__;

Recently I read Homuculus and found a lot of reaciton images for the next Derrida thread I can find.

Anonymous Fri Mar 27 21:34:57 2015 No.6325588
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>>6325551
I haven't read that, I'll have to add it to my list.

I'm on the last volume of Shigeru Mizuki's Showa series, it's a great history read as well as an irreverent autobiography. Eventually I'm planning on reading his Onward Toward Our Honorable Deaths as well.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 21:38:19 2015 No.6325600 >>6325588 Mixing a bit of autobiography with illustrations you have this great thing about being a WW2 prisoner in Russia: http://kiuchi.jpn.org/en/nobindex.htm

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 21:39:45 2015 No.6325608 File: 509 KB, 1276x1792, epileptic.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This one is good, from the disturbing coming of age comic genre

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 21:45:45 2015 No.6325637 File: 99 KB, 900x1344, 1381528328313.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6325466 good job you fat faggot connoisseur of kitsch

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 21:47:28 2015 No.6325651 >naming your book 'black hole' unironically nice anal plexus, pleb

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 21:47:31 2015 No.6325653 >>6325608 David B. right ?

Anonymous Fri Mar 27 21:49:46 2015 No.6325667
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>>6325600
Neat! Thanks for sharing. It's too bad there aren't really any Soviet comics even though they had a strong illustration tradition, even preceding the USSR with the lubok.
>you could be reading Suprematist/Constructivist/Socialist Realist comics from the Cold War RIGHT NOW

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 21:51:27 2015 No.6325675 File: 517 KB, 1632x1088, A.Goy.s.Life.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6325423 Good goy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 21:51:28 2015 No.6325676 File: 65 KB, 416x640, 224618-19531-116737-1-ghost-in-the-shell.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I only read the superior medium, thank you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 21:52:12 2015 No.6325683 >>6325653 Yes. Epileptic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 21:52:28 2015 No.6325685 >>6325676 good taste

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 21:58:23 2015 No.6325722 File: 115 KB, 679x960, Number 5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I never see anything by Matsumoto excepted sometimes Tekkonkinkreet, but Number Five is his true masterpiece.

Anonymous Fri Mar 27 22:01:42 2015 No.6325738

>>6325429
Both Ellis and Ennis are immediate trash-tier.

>>6325345
Enjoyed the hell out of it. Great art style, and the character/story/themes were all woven together really well. Wish there'd been more to the serial killer subplot, but you can't win them all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 22:03:02 2015 No.6325745 >>6325676 >Ghost in the Shell >she is literally in a robotic shell Bravo, Japan. So deep.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 22:03:35 2015 No.6325753 >>6325675 >i am the enlightened resistance against the jewlluminati globalist new world order Put the bong down, man.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 22:04:09 2015 No.6325758 >>6325745 >anime or manga >deep cartoons for little boys and girls aren't meant to be 'deep' they're only seen as such by weebs and virulent autists

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 22:05:05 2015 No.6325764 >>6325345 D U D E T I T S L M A O U D E T I T S L M A O

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 22:07:40 2015 No.6325779 >>6325758 cartoons are an american cheap entrainment for kids, manga in the other hand is the nippon superior version for well real adults like myself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 22:08:48 2015 No.6325786 >>6325676 >I don't read comics I only read comics o-okay.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 22:09:26 2015 No.6325789 >>6325779 >actually believing this I'd feel bad if I could stop laughing

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 22:09:40 2015 No.6325791 File: 3 KB, 74x144, Worm.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6325779

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 22:24:23 2015 No.6325847 >>6325789 Wow, you're gullible.

Anonymous Fri Mar 27 23:03:48 2015 No.6325981

>>6325466

Nothing being put out by any big comic publisher is any good. If you're really interested in comics as a medium look into self-published, indie comics. There are lots of really amazing underground artists who post their work online on sites like Tumblr. Check out Frank Santoro's comic workshop to get an idea of some people who actually care to innovate with sequential art.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 23:05:06 2015 No.6325984 >>6325981 >Nothing being put out by any big comic publisher is any good. *This is what it's like in the U.S. at least

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 23:06:56 2015 No.6325992 Does anyone read more lighthearted and simpler stuff as well? I read Anya's Ghost a while back and really enjoyed that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 27 23:11:20 2015 No.6326004 >>6325675 using /pol/ memes on /lit/ should get you a ten day ban

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 05:12:01 2015 No.6326695 >>6325722 Matsumoto is a genius, Ping pong and Tekkonkinkreet are fantastic

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 05:18:48 2015 No.6326701 File: 118 KB, 529x800, V for Vendetta.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6325345 Does V count? Or is it shit tier?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 05:23:20 2015 No.6326709 >>6326701 it's pretty bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 05:25:04 2015 No.6326712 >>6326709 damn it, I was hoping I had taste. Any advice to set me on the right track, Anon?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 05:28:56 2015 No.6326719 File: 47 KB, 400x536, nikopolcouint03_01012004.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6326712 i don't know, try enki bilal and his nikopol trilogy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 05:29:55 2015 No.6326721 >>6326719 any place where I could find it for free as an ePub file?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 05:31:49 2015 No.6326726 >>6326721 http://bookfi.org/book/1358732 it's a pdf though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 05:36:15 2015 No.6326734 >>6326726 shit... is it in Cyrillic? I can't read Russian

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 05:41:56 2015 No.6326738 >>6326734 just press the green button that says (pdf, 89.99 mb). bookfi.org is a bit slow though, it may take some time to download.

Anonymous Sat Mar 28 06:46:46 2015 No.6326911
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>>6326695
I don't know about Ping Pong, but I assume it's even better than the anime, which itself was awesome.
>Ping Pong t3 and t4 out of stock for ages, no reprint planned
Life truly is suffering, as a scan-hater.

Forgot about Sergio Toppi, he's a monster.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 06:58:17 2015 No.6326957 >>6326721 there's a torrent, it doesn't look great though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 08:00:01 2015 No.6327171 For cape shit The Killing Joke and Arkham Asylum are two of my favs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 08:12:28 2015 No.6327205 >>6327171 Thanks for providing your opinion on the two most well known and widely read batman books, very enlightening for the crowd in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 08:19:51 2015 No.6327222 >>6327205 Do I need to be more contrarian like everyone else in this thread? Which is weird because none of it is unheard of stuff as well :/

Anonymous Sat Mar 28 09:14:16 2015 No.6327332

>>6325365
>>6325675
Back to /pol/

>>6326004
110% agree.

>>6325429
Currently reading this just because my library has it. It's not too bad, but it's definitely pretty edgy for the sake of being edgy at times. I think I would have enjoyed it more when I was a high school atheist who listened to grunge.

>>6325992
Was just going to ask if anyone else read Anya's Ghost. Short and sweet, not too bad. I'm not a big fan of digital art, though.

>>6326701
Does anyone get raped in that book (only seen the movie)? I'm only asking because I haven't read an Alan Moore book yet where someone wasn't raped. It doesn't bother me, but the guy seems to have a thing for it.

---
My library has a lot of Guy Delisle, Harvey Pekar, and Joe Sacco so I've been trying to read some of that.

I have read Marjane Satrapi, Rutu Modan, Art Spiegelman, Jeff Lemire... any other recommendations?

Anonymous Sat Mar 28 09:24:57 2015 No.6327358
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>>6327332
Lemire is gold, his stuff is always great.

My recommendations:
The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck is great.
I enjoyed titles like Hellboy (and BPRD and other connected stories) and The Goon.
Also Bone is really interesting.
I currently am reading The Massive which is an interesting take on eco-terrorism and post-natural disaster world so I recommend it too.

Also anyone feel free to call me a pleb.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 09:25:17 2015 No.6327359 Pinocchio by Winshluss The Incal by Jodorowsky City of Glass by Paul Karasik Signal to Noise by Gaiman Richard Stark's Parker by Darwyn Cooke

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 09:39:03 2015 No.6327385 >>6325345 >graphic novel Why people call them that? They are comics! Good comics, with good art and great story, but comics! Are adults with fear to read comics?

Anonymous Sat Mar 28 09:49:28 2015 No.6327411
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>graphic novels

Is there anything more pathetic than 30 year old men who think they can get away with reading comics because they're violent? If you're over the age of 12, you should not be reading picture books.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 09:52:00 2015 No.6327421 Black Hole has nothing going on for it except maybe the art which is obviously fantastic It was like reading a novelisation of a B-movie >muh aids analogy

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 12:17:08 2015 No.6327778 File: 8 KB, 250x203, 1427507259715s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6325345 when i see graphic novels i just flip through to see if there any boobs

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 16:23:37 2015 No.6328547 >>6327411 >Dismissing an entire medium because the majority of it is pleb-tier twaddle I take it you don't enjoy any art at all then?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 16:24:48 2015 No.6328552 File: 477 KB, 435x566, g.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6325429 Preacher has literally one good character, the rest is the autistic protagonist arguing with his shit girlfriend

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 17:28:04 2015 No.6328762 >>6326911 Tfw i grew up reading his comics minchia se sto bene

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 17:32:12 2015 No.6328775 >>6328552 The legend says that Ennis couldn't even use e-mail, so he had to ask his friend Warren Ellis to be his connection with DC and it stayed like that until he got fed up.

Anonymous Sat Mar 28 21:44:43 2015 No.6329709

>>6327332
If we are going for obligatory: Junji Ito. Or Joe Hill's Locke and Key. "Too scary for TV"

I adore Steve Ditko. God tier compasition and massive Ayn Rand fan. Hawkworld is more scifi than cape at the start and is decent political philosophy with watercolour colouring.

Thing is I like capeshit. Because it is fun and I like fun and muh fetish.

Guy Delisle has style and a funny way of looking at things. He just stands there and looks at them.

comraderecs.tumblr.com is mostly cape.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 21:47:13 2015 No.6329718 >>6325345 I'd like to talk about graphic novels OP. Here are my favorites: The alcoholic Watchmen (like everyone else) 100 Bullets

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 21:53:34 2015 No.6329748 File: 21 KB, 428x277, hellboy_sex_with_skeletons.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6327358 No those are all patrician picks, anon. Mignola is based as fuck

Anonymous Sat Mar 28 21:53:40 2015 No.6329749
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Officina Infernale is a great author, arguably one of the finest graphic novelists active in Italy/Europe today. Shame he isn't (and won't be, unless I do it myself) translated anywhere else. Damn fine po-mo stuff.

I'd also say Transmetropolitan because HST in the future is the best thing to ever happen to mankind.

Anonymous Sat Mar 28 21:59:08 2015 No.6329769

>>6329718
Can one 'get' a deconstruction of a genre without being very familiar with the genre?

It kinda peeves me when watchmen is put into literature list as the one comic book. Just as a nod to the medium to be like 'we know about these, too'

>>6329748
Must not think about big rock dick inside me

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 22:14:02 2015 No.6329813 >>6329718 100 bullets is amazing. >dat art style >dat dark atmosphere >dat Megan Dietrich booty

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 28 22:50:17 2015 No.6329912 i bet /lit/ would like fables, shits pretty entertaining and creative and its ongoing with like 150 issues or so out mow

Anonymous Sat Mar 28 22:54:11 2015 No.6329926
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Has anyone read Cerebus? Thoughts?

I'm doing a read through for the first time and am currently on "Guys." Between the interesting narrative and as documentation of Dave Sim's mental illness, its been a wild ride. Together, "High Society" and "Church and State", I found, to be pretty great. Now I'm mostly riding on inertia.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 00:07:00 2015 No.6330188 File: 208 KB, 621x468, 00.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Paul Chadwick's Concrete is a must read, as is Gary Spencer Millidge's Strangehaven. I just hope the later will be finished some day.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 00:19:24 2015 No.6330234 File: 13 KB, 269x250, mortcinder.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Has anybody here ever read Mort Cinder? It's fucking GOAT

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 01:44:55 2015 No.6330465 File: 204 KB, 670x887, 1:4.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6325345 Black Hole is fucking amazing. Great art great story. I like Johnny Ryan lol

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>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 01:46:59 2015 No.6330475 File: 251 KB, 670x892, 3:4.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6330472

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 01:48:10 2015 No.6330484 File: 257 KB, 670x888, 4:4.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6330475

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Sun Mar 29 01:49:18 2015 No.6330489 Edgy

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 01:50:36 2015 No.6330493 >>6325345 >graphic >novel pick one

Anonymous Sun Mar 29 01:54:14 2015 No.6330503

>>6325667
>It's too bad there aren't really any Soviet comics
As a Russian, let me explain. Mixing prose with visual art just turns the prose and the art into shit, these things aren't meant to be mixed.

(The Soviets had animation instead of comics, a much better medium for what you're trying to achieve.)

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 01:55:46 2015 No.6330505 >>6326004 >using /pol/ memes on /lit/ should get you a ten day ban Yes, thoughtcrime should be punished. (Even if it is ironic thoughtcrime.)

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 01:56:52 2015 No.6330508 >>6330484 More

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 02:04:58 2015 No.6330523 >>6325466 Everyone you mentioned gets mentioned all the time in comics crowds as well. You're not saying anything you're just name dropping an older and younger generation of comic book artists.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 02:06:08 2015 No.6330525 >>6325519 lol, this thread proves lit is mostly posturing and name dropping

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 02:14:34 2015 No.6330535 File: 283 KB, 990x1543, BEE DEE BEE DEE.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can funny shit count?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 02:16:01 2015 No.6330539 File: 282 KB, 670x886, johnny ryan_vice1.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6330508 Johnny Ryan does comics for Vice magazine. Also his "magnum opus" is prison pit, which I guess counts as a graphic novel.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 02:24:00 2015 No.6330554 File: 310 KB, 1100x753, a_lesson_is_learned.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6325345 How about a webcomic masterpiece?

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>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 02:34:43 2015 No.6330570 >>6327358 >>6329748 Mignola is, and always will be, my favorite

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 02:35:43 2015 No.6330576 >>6330566 hey sam, the thing that pisses me off is that I both love biking and WANT nice hips but it turns out biking may actually reduce hip size

Anonymous Sun Mar 29 07:41:15 2015 No.6331212
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>>6329748
Thanks mate.

>>6329813
100 Bullets stated out so good. It was wonderous. But I felt it slipping halfway through.

>>6330188
I second Concrete. Great art, great story. Chadwick did really well with that series.
Strangeheaven? What is it about?

>>6330484
This. Is. Shit.
Still I would read more.

In threads like these Alan Moore's Swamp Thing, Morrison's Animal Man and Gaiman's Sandman are often mentioned. I have to say they indeed are really damn good.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 08:05:30 2015 No.6331263 File: 116 KB, 728x1092, pingpong_v02c19p144.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6325722 Absolutely brilliant guy. There's also another great Matsumoto - Jiro.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 08:09:33 2015 No.6331273 File: 92 KB, 728x1072, pingpong_v02c22p192.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6331263 Another one from Ping Pong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 08:25:03 2015 No.6331298 >>6325345 black hole is alright. the ending is what does it for me. but really, i dont see much in comics, except for maybe stray bullets. that shit is fucking tight.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 08:30:40 2015 No.6331310 >>6331212 Agreed. And League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is surely the most patrician comic, surely. There's a reading companion online, obligatory.

Anonymous Sun Mar 29 09:01:03 2015 No.6331385

>>6330505
Stop acting like shitposting is some heroic act of free speech. You are not entitled to a platform. Interracial and gay porn are banworthy on /pol/, yet the global rule to "keep /pol/ in /pol/" is NEVER enforced. This has already been done for bronies, which for the most part has pushed them to their containment board. Radical nationalists complaining about oppression is just manchild babbling.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 09:28:49 2015 No.6331441 >>6331298 >Stray bullets god i love that comic, it's overlooked as fuck

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 09:31:32 2015 No.6331443 >>6331441 >it's overlooked as fuck yes, and the only reason i heard about it was because my friend who is huge on comics thought it was down to earth and thought i would like it

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 29 09:39:50 2015 No.6331457 File: 17 KB, 257x346, the pushman.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6331443 Maybe you should check out The Pushman, it has the same vibe

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