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[Anonymous No.6316418]

Why is every board becoming obsessed with left-wing politics?

[Anonymous No.6316430]

>>6316418
Not really all boards, just this one.

And it's because we read books.

[Anonymous No.6316456]

>>6316418
The commies are on this board now, but eventually the fascists will be back. About half of each population switches back and forth periodically anyway.

Me, I'd like some crab legs.

[Anonymous No.6316536]

>>6316418
cuz they're a bunch of twenty-something newfags without ideas of their own. it would frighten them to the core to produce or introduce ideas original to the conversation.
PARENTING PROTIP: dont use spongebob squarepants and anime as a babysitter or your kids will become retards.

[Anonymous No.6316540]

>>6316536
Hey, I watched Spongebob as a kid and I'm not a retard!

[Anonymous No.6316541]

I propose a counter communist union by every non-Marxist poster.

[Anonymous No.6316546]

>>6316418
Because global capitalism is fucking things up so badly now that it's impossible for the people in the imperialist centers to not pay attention anymore.

[Anonymous No.6316549]

>>6316536
I'm assuming you're from /pol/ given your diction and stance, which makes your post exponentially more hilarious.

[Anonymous No.6316556]

>>6316418
Because its only thing that actually works besides socialist dictactorship(yugoslavia, until Tito died).

[Anonymous No.6316586]

>>6316418
>Why is every board becoming obsessed with left-wing politics?
They're not. They're obsessed with the bourgeoisie ideological remains of Marx's thought, like a dog obsessed with owl scat because it contains the bones of what once was a mouse.

Now I like rubbing owl scat on my dick as much as the next man, the feeling of minute mammal bones scraping into my skin, cutting the head of my cock, but it is masturbation.

Most of the users who start Marx threads here are /pol/ trollers—they've not read any of the basic texts, and as we can see, when they have they choose to read the world possible text (Manifesto) and badly misread it.

The remainder is a couple of lib coms, Marxist or not, who seem moderately well read, and a couple of MLs who haven't progressed beyond Stalin to Lenin yet, let alone interrogating the world.

It would be almost impossible, for example, to have a discussion about the critique of "immaterial production" contained in contemporary works on the economics of late capitalism and how it relies on a retreat from value analysis into idealism, that it is effectively a bourdieuian stratificationalist thesis and an attempt to avoid praxis.

If they were actually interested in left politics they would have gotten a job, joined the union and be working towards shooting their boss.

[Anonymous No.6316601]

>>6316540
bullshit you arent. tits or gtfo scumbag

[Anonymous No.6316655]

>>6316418
Define 'left-wing'.

Marxists are scarce these days. Most people are for decentralisation or anarchism.

[ΟΥΤΙΣ No.6316656]

Popular interest swings from left to right as the new redpill to all the problems of society. They get disillusioned with one, start to go to the other extreme, and so on, this is why they can elect someone like Bush two terms, then elect Obama for two terms (although the pendulum there is much more steady because there is a hand steadying it from the top). There are a few steady, consistent true believers on both sides of the fence, but a lot of the people who weigh in on the discussions actually have fluctuating sentiments.

[Anonymous No.6316661]

left wingers couldn't stand the fact that UKIPPERS took over the Guardian readership, so they've decided to come here.

[Anonymous No.6316682]

>>6316655
Kołakowski's definition in Beyond Marxism is a good one.

>>6316656
I felt you were more intelligent than trying to propose Obama is "left."

[Anonymous No.6316706]

>>6316655
>Define 'left-wing'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_politics

>>6316682
>Kołakowski
Gagged a little.

[ΟΥΤΙΣ No.6316715]

>>6316682
He is in popular conception, which is what counts in the popular sentiment which elects candidates. Conservative hyperbole might actually have helped Obama here, since Bush left the office with a very bad taste in popular sentiment for the right.

[Anonymous No.6316719]

>>6316706
No one fits neatly into that system anymore

[Anonymous No.6316726]

>>6316418
4chan has a lot of discontents. When people are discontent, they want change. Optimistically, change is also called progression. Hence progressive politics.

That's also the reason why 4chan has a lot of reactionaries. They also want change, but they want to go back to some former period where they think things were actually better, which is of course wrong.

[Anonymous No.6316727]

>>6316418
I'm fairly liberal about everything except for immigration, so I don't really know where I fit in.

[Anonymous No.6316752]

>>6316418
They haven't, that's just your perception.

What every board HAS become obsessed with is starting arguments, being controversial, and making other people angry - you know, the stuff 4chan users been obsessed with since Day 1. The kind of thing that Usenet first named "trolling."

As it turns out, left-wing politics are a really fucking great way to make people angry, because they are a topic people feel strongly about and people are much more vulnerable to being baited by left-wing caricatures (MUH SOGGY KNEE! RESPECT MY OTHERKIN PRIVILEGE! SOCIALISM!) than regular hyper-right /pol/ism which we've all become kind of immune to.

Being a Nazi - or more likely, pretending to be - just gets you written off as 'edgy' and ignored. But claiming to be highly leftwise gets you attention and engagement.

[Anonymous No.6316766]

>>6316752
this is the correct answer

[Anonymous No.6316771]

>>6316706
>Gagged a little.
You shouldn't. He is an excellent philosopher, provided that you explain that he was wrong. As a critique of Stalinism his socialist humanist work is magnificent for its period and his right to think freely.

[Anonymous No.6316782]

>>6316727

You have extremely contradictory political principles. I suggest you reconsider the notion that ones passport is an indicator of what rights they are entitled to and focus instead on human rights that accrue to humans solely by virtue of their being human.

[Anonymous No.6316781]

>>6316727
I'm fairly socialist about everything except for immigration. The phrase reserved for it is a bit tainted by hotheated Germans though.

[Anonymous No.6316788]

>>6316782
There's the practical notion of the place you live going to shit completely if you let in third worlders though.

[Anonymous No.6316818]

>>6316781
>hothead
>>>/tv/4u

[Anonymous No.6316863]

>>6316782
Not that guy, but I have similar views, and my reasoning is that it becomes a logistic problem to provide health-care and education "freely" when you have a large number of immigrants. If we're going to provide modern privileges such as health-care and education, the tax base has to be able to support it. One country can't provide for immigrants globally.

[Anonymous No.6316873]

>>6316586
>someone who knows about muh immaterial production and agrees with me on it
yess
>join the union
oh, sorry. I'll just be going then.

[Anonymous No.6316876]

Most boards aren't. It's just the smart ones who are. :)

[Anonymous No.6316877]

>>6316788
You make mystical, ahistorical ethno-nationalist arguments to explain the conditions of your state, which acts as a salve for the alienation that you feel but don't understand. You're a fascist.

[Anonymous No.6316883]

Most people on 4chan don't have jobs so they want to dedicate themselves to making up excuses for their failures in life.

[ΟΥΤΙΣ No.6316893]

>>6316863
You don't understand what socialism is, you talking in a liberal mindset.

Furthermore (and this is coming from a fascist), public education and healthcare are not "drains", they're investments, that's why the state does them. Do you think the USSR invested so much in healthcare and education out of some deep concern for the welfare of proles?

[Anonymous No.6316899]

>>6316782
I'm Arizona bro

>>6316788
>>6316863

basically this. I've witnessed the degradation of our quality of life as more poor mexican immigrants come over. we can't maintain an efficient welfare state under these conditions.

[ΟΥΤΙΣ No.6316902]

>>6316899
Arizona has never had a welfare state unless you broaden the term so much that it means any state which had welfare (in which case, ancient Athens was a welfare state).

[Anonymous No.6316906]

>>6316877
>mystical, ahistorical ethno-nationalist arguments
I just realised all the third world immigrants are shitty people who leave trash lying around and are shouting and violent and smelly and generally hard on the senses. Doesn't take much ideology to dislike that, it's very pragmatic.

I'm generally in favour of socialism, but I think non-Western culture should be systematically eradicated.

[Anonymous No.6316910]

>>6316418
Because it's starting to annoy the fuck out of everyone who just wants to live their lives in peace.

So the only way to really combat it is to learn and understand it so you find the glaring faults and shut it down.

[Anonymous No.6316919]

>>6316902
I understand. I'd like some sort of a welfare state, but not if I'm paying for the welfare of my neighbor Juan's Jordans.

Bottomline, unless any of you live in an area flooded with poor immigrants, don't tell me what to think about how my money is spent on them.

[Anonymous No.6316926]

Because it sounds like a chicken dish.

[ΟΥΤΙΣ No.6316953]

>>6316919
By "welfare" do you mean public school and healthcare, or simply unemployment, or what?

[ΟΥΤΙΣ No.6316965]

>>6316906
If you were an actual socialist, you'd think culture is purely a product of material conditions. You seem more like a philosophical idealist.

[Anonymous No.6316974]

>>6316883
>don't have jobs
>failures in life

Ideology: the post.

[Anonymous No.6317008]

>>6316965
I guess I meant I'm in favour of socialist policies, I'm not much for card carrying ideology.

If anything I consider myself a sceptic who just doesn't like annoying cunts but does like welfare.

[Anonymous No.6317014]

>>6317008
a-are you me?

[Anonymous No.6317021]

>>6316873
The only way to develop the proletariat is in praxis, and the unions are both a block and enabler of praxis. They are a decisive institution at the point of production, and, comrade, until you can show me how "the mobility" is capable of forming a coherent long term plan around the point of production, I am going to do union work because it is the only way to move this heap of shit forward via the point of production.

[Anonymous No.6317032]

>>6316418
because I am a gay men and I bet a lot of you are gay too.

[ΟΥΤΙΣ No.6317038]

>>6317008
Welfare would (supposedly) be far more limited in socialism.

>>6317021
>21st Century unions enable socialist praxis
haha, yeah, that's what all those union dues are doing to

[Anonymous No.6317051]

>>6317038
>Welfare would (supposedly) be far more limited in socialism.
Which political ideology would you recommend for someone who just wants to sit on his hind parts collecting welfare without a care in the world?

[Anonymous No.6317058]

>>6317051
American liberalism, aka "the progressive movement"

[Anonymous No.6317086]

>>6317038
>21st Century unions enable socialist praxis
The violence of the imperialists has caused unions to pursue mere reformism - this is true - but unions are at still at least one of, if not the primary, organ for developing socialism in a capitalist society. In reality the spectacular failures of capitalist-imperialism happening right now and since the Great Recession, and the developments of socialism outside of the imperialist center, are creating fertile ground for socialism in the West.

[Anonymous No.6317093]

>>6317038
>haha, yeah, that's what all those union dues are doing to
We've fixed them twice before, when we fixed the yellow-dog labour fakirs with the IWW and corresponding Syndicalist movements. We fixed them again with the CIO and Militant Minority Movement.

[Anonymous No.6317105]

Is it a right wing conspiracy by the Coke brothers?

[Anonymous No.6317177]

>>6317032
how do i become plural?

[Anonymous No.6317207]

>>6316893
I don't disagree that their investments, but investments still cost money.

And of course I'm speaking in a liberal mindset, I'm a liberal, not a socialist.

[Anonymous No.6317226]

>>6317207
>I don't have to comprehend anything else
Good job, fuck off of /lit/. Here we value comprehending each other, and the capacity to simulate alternative modes of thought.

[Anonymous No.6317230]

>>6317177
Given that it is a linguistic gender, I'd suggest plural "they".

[Anonymous No.6317244]

>>6316727
http://www.politicalcompass.org/ try this m8

[Anonymous No.6317253]

>>6316788

Why the fuck does talking politics have to be so stupid? Do you think I'm a fucking idiot? Do you think I'm advocating a borderless world starting at midnight?

For fuck's sake, you queer, get your shit together.

[Anonymous No.6317256]

>>6316541
>I propose a counter communist union by every non-Marxist poster.
what if you are a non-Marxist communist?

[Anonymous No.6317262]

>>6317256
Sometimes I think I'm the only person that gets to socialism from a "tory" style outlook.

By tory I mean the tory history tradition

[Anonymous No.6317284]

>>6317262
Read up on Blue Labour. (It is basically anarchist syndicalism with morris dancing and suckholing the queen and capitalism)

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.6317737]

>>6317051
Full anarchism.

You seriously don't want to work on anything? Like ever? Meanie.

The welfare you'd collect from that society would be the bare minimum of food clothing and shelter, and it looks like you'd be content with it.

[Anonymous No.6317867]

>>6316546
Soo.... fags tired of one hot throbbing penis and want a new one?

[Anonymous No.6317906]

Hegel

[Anonymous No.6317911]

>>6317867
Once you dismantle hetero-patriarchy as capitalism, your facile analogy is defeat.

[Anonymous No.6317918]

>>6316546
I think you've got that mixed up. Global capitalism is doing pretty good in the West. Economy is still fucked right now but living standards haven't change not has wealth.

And it's not really like Communism has ever generated positive results unless first heavily, heavily watered down to liberal capitalism.

[Anonymous No.6317922]

>>6316418
>there are people in this board that are not individualists

[Anonymous No.6317939]

I don't know about you but I regularly troll boards as a postmodern relativist feminist and as well a communist. It's fun because people take you seriously yet the ideas are beyond retarded.

[Anonymous No.6317946]

>>6317939
please refrain from using ableist language

[Anonymous No.6317950]

Maybe we need some mods to stop people from /pol from coming over here and creating threads that don't really have anything to do with literature.

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>>6316418
Because this website demands action, and action now!

[Anonymous No.6317960]

>>6316536
Wholeheartedly agree with this post

That and teachers in public schools are so liberal it's ridiculous

Not that I'm holding that against them, they are dedicating their career to educating, but it explains how freshmen have this leftist mantra

I can recall at least three teachers that more or less said
>regarding this, don't let ANYONE tell you otherwise

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.6317961]

>>6317922
You're all anonymous.

...But I can appreciate the seemingly contradictory.

[Anonymous No.6317964]

>>6317911
the only things facile here are your meme game and your dick

[Anonymous No.6317968]

>>6317939
Sure sure, what's occ? What's M'?

[Anonymous No.6317974]

>>6317961
Nice to see you asserting your individuality with that trip, but there's nothing inherently against it in anonymity.

[Anonymous No.6317975]

>>6316418
It's only the art boards like here, /ic/, and /co/

Probably because they think they're amongst likeminded people, you know, leeches and degenerates that think celebrities and dank ass tweets are the pinnacle of debate

[Anonymous No.6317984]

>>6316877
>fascist
You say that as if that's a bad thing

[Anonymous No.6317985]

>>6317950
the /pol/ boogeyman is my favoritest meme

[Anonymous No.6317991]

>>6317974
ey you leave butters alone she knows all the right banter

[Anonymous No.6317994]

>>6316418

[Anonymous No.6318007]

>>6317984
How does D'Annunzio conceive of the nation and how is this different to Italian liberalism?

[ΟΥΤΙΣ No.6318059]

>>6318007
Gentile was the principle writer for the definition of the nation in fascism.

Gentile's conception of the nation is a Geist that must be constructed by a people, and more importantly, must be maintained. It is the sum of common traditions. In fascism, of course, these traditions should not be those which are predicated upon pre-industrial society, but a new culture of traditions which complement industrial society. In order for this nation to exist, it must be maintained by a society, it has to constantly be recreated (like Stirner's idea of the self), adapting and growing, yet with a sense of continuity, and a valuation of even obsolete traditions and a recognition of their beauty in the past, even where they are no longer practical to keep. In other words, even though new traditions must be radically different from the old, there must be a feeling of connection and evolution, or else these traditions feel random and forced. Preserving tradition (and in fascism, this includes adapting, modifying and creating tradition) is preserving the nation, and the nation can only be preserved by constant effort and actual value by the people (if the people cease to value the nation, it will perish, even if the state remains, but a state without a nation is nothing but an arbitrary power structure).

[Anonymous No.6318060]

>>6316782
Spooky

[Anonymous No.6318088]

>>6318059
This, ladies and gentlemen, is what a /lit/ fascist looks like. Well read and capable of expressing someone else's opinion without derogating it.

[Anonymous No.6318258]

>>6316418
I have my own theory. It has something to do with the amount of NEETs in 4chan, and the people that seek out a humanities degree. I mean, I would be scared shitless if I was getting a major in english or philosophy. Left wing politics bring them some kind of "protection". It is all about fear, my brother.

[Anonymous No.6318281]

>>6317244
Shit, I would never consider myself belonging to the left.

[Anonymous No.6319887]

>>6316586
Generally this.

[Anonymous No.6320040]

>>6318258
It's because all the edgy teenage right wingers realize how their uneducated philosophies of hate go no where and are the source of many problems in their lives. Then to counter they feel they must have been completely wrong and go full commie/ Trotsky was col guy.

They eventually realize that their extremest politics isn't getting them anywhere either and slowly start understanding that the world doesn't consists of far-left/far-right politics and that it's only sad neckbeards on a chinese cartoon site.

They either stop coming here and normalize themselves and re-enter normal society or they dive deeper into the hivemind of shit and go full on nazi/stalinist.

IT just so happens that these are the loudest voices online because they shitpost so much. You're not noticing trends it's just the same shitposters shitting more