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What does /lit/ think of Borges?

>> No.6287587

>>6287502
He's ok. I enjoyed his turn to fascism.

>> No.6287591

he good book

>> No.6287669

>>6287587
>borges
>fascism

>> No.6287828

>>6287502
One of /lit/s favourites, actually.

If you haven't read him, OP, please do.

>> No.6287870

his writing is shit
his ideas are good
that's it

>> No.6287876

>>6287502
Best writing, best ideas. I'm buying a book a day, if I can keep it up

>> No.6287885

what did borges think of nietzsche? do they have any commonalities

>> No.6287890

>>6287502
Best latinamerican author.
One of the best of its time.
The warmest person ever, he went to the best universities in the world just to talk to students about life and open their heads.

The second best person that came from Argentina. The first one isn't Messi.

>> No.6287982

>>6287890
What's Messi written? I've never heard of them.

>> No.6287990

>>6287982
He's a meme soccer player from Argentina, not an author

>> No.6287998

>>6287990
Oh, fair enough.

>> No.6288010

>>6287982
Good one, m8

>> No.6288014

>>6287870

so he's a rich man's philip k dick?

>> No.6288016

>>6288010
>implying everyone on earth is a /sp/astic

>> No.6288020

He's Reddit af

>> No.6288187

>>6287502
his wad is legit, i'd give him a chance

>> No.6288195

>>6287828
You're one of my favorite butterfly

>> No.6288212

I have "The Book of Sand," and it's one of my most cherished possessions. Borges is fantastic.

It's also kind of fun that he basically invented flash fiction nearly a century before the internet existed.

>> No.6288214

>>6288020
>af

A Tumblr guy calls Borges "Reddit 'af'". That's rich -- too rich.

>> No.6288215

Best latin-american writer of his generation. Great short stories, a somewhat kafkian feeling. He didn't influence much to subsequent generations though.
Idk about the quality of the translations, but his prose is unique.

>> No.6288224

>>6288215
Try and get a hold of the di Giovanni translations. They're hard to find, but Borges himself collaborated with di Giovanni on them. They're less translations and more rewrites. They're amazing.

>> No.6288423

>>6288014
I agree with this comparison but it doesn't apply to Borges, read some of his less wanky short stories like The South or the entirety of Universal History, nigga can write his dick off when he's just trying to tell a story and not advance an idea, I like his style regardless but I can see how it would turn some people off

>> No.6288426

>>6288214
Stop talking about Tumblr, Tumblr

>> No.6288439

>>6288224
Are the Hurley translations decent enough?

>> No.6288442

>>6288439
Honestly don't fret about it man, a translation is going to be a translation regardless

>> No.6288444

>>6288439
>translation

>> No.6288451

>>6288215
>He didn't influence much to subsequent generations though.

What are you talking about? Almost every writer who writes in Spanish that came after Borges has been deeply influenced by him. And even most English speaking writers have read Borges and have been influenced by him.

>> No.6288458

>>6288444
Guess what nigger, he didn't write in english

>> No.6289819

>>6288444
Friendly reminder that most of his translations were done when he was full blind, so probably they are shit.

>Huh? what did i write here? 'pig' or 'wig'? *writes whore*

>> No.6289853

>>6288458
Actually... (well, no, he didn't exactly - he knew the language well enough to work with di Giovanni, but, being humble, not to the point where he'd write in English himself)

>> No.6289910

What book would you guys suggest as a good entry point to Borges?

>> No.6289921

>>6289910
FIcciones

>> No.6289927

>>6289921
thanks anon, i will pick up a copy.

>> No.6289934

>>6287502
I enjoyed some of his stories very much, but others were not so impressive. A good writer, should be read if anything for his influence.

>> No.6289937

>>6289910
I mean he only has like 3 so Fictions I guess.

>> No.6289941

>>6288016
he's as popular as Pope, y'know

>> No.6289956

>>6289910
Just read the Collected Fictions. It has everything and it's not even 600 pages.

>> No.6291307

>>6287982
I hope this is a joke

>> No.6291387

>>6287502
Love his fantastic stories and some of his essays. Poetry negligible.

>> No.6291610

>>6287890
what about Julio Cortázar?

>> No.6293341

>>6287870
Not true. I bet you havent even read him, you meymeyer

>> No.6293345

>>6287890
Gabo es mejor, putamadre
Y cortozar es el mejor de argentina
Caepenrier es mejor que borges, tambien

>> No.6293349

>>6287890
I love Ernesto Guevara too

>> No.6293350

>>6293349
Ayy, mi negro

>> No.6293351
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6293351

>>6287982
>American education

>> No.6293371

me too

>> No.6293376

I liked his plot synopsis.
Shame he never wrote an actual story or novel.

>> No.6293395

>>6293345
que tal Roberto Bolaño?

>> No.6293398

>>6293376
>posting in a borhays thread
>hasnt read borhays

>> No.6293403

>>6291610
up

>> No.6293414

>>6289819
>Friendly reminder that most of his translations were done when he was full blind, so probably they are shit.
Friendly reminder that Borges spoke fluent English, so he was probably on top of things.

>> No.6293623

>>6287502
/lit/ tries to be edgy about him but either 1) likes him or 2) has never read of him

>> No.6293740

>>6293345
>Y cortozar es el mejor de argentina
GTFO.
And people who think Borges poetry was crap, they should try to read Cortázar's.

>> No.6293763

>>6287870
"Intolerably, I dreamt of an exiguous and nitid labyrinth: in the center was a water jar; my hands almost touched it, my eyes could see it, but so intriciate and perplexed were the curves that i knew i would die before reaching it."

>>being this wrong

>> No.6294116

>>6293740
what's the problem with CORTÁZAR?

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6294131

>>6293740
He can barely write, don't be mean to him.

>> No.6294155

>>6294116
I didn't mean there's anything wrong about him, just that he's not better than Borges. Except for his poetry, that's certainly something wrong with him.

>> No.6294172

>>6293623
I can confirm. I'm (2) atm.

>> No.6294189

Prove borges wrong, /lit/.
>I close my eyes and see a flock of birds. The vision lasts a second or perhaps less; I don’t know how many birds I saw. Were they a definite or an indefinite number? This problem involves the question of the existence of God. If God exists, the number is definite, because how many birds I saw is known to God. If God does not exist, the number is indefinite, because nobody was able to take count. In this case, I saw fewer than ten birds (let’s say) and more than one; but I did not see nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, or two birds. I saw a number between ten and one, but not nine, eight, seven, six, five, etc. That number, as a whole number, is inconceivable; ergo, God exists.

>> No.6294209

>>6294189
The vision is just your brain simulating the memory of seeing birds, there are no actual objects to count.

>> No.6294214

>>6291610
I'm reading some of his stories. He's fantastic. People who have read Borges, are these two comparable?

>> No.6294226

>>6294209
Well how many birds was your brain simulating, then?
Also, this seems to imply that your brain is god.

>> No.6294235

>>6294226

>implying you would be able to know and feel/recognize all the shit your brain does while you fap with birds

>> No.6294240

>>6294214
I also want to add that I'm reading a translation of them (and it's not the english one). Is that a big deal?

>> No.6294247

>>6294214
Not really, they aim for very different things. But they are the two "must read" authors that get pushed when you're a teen so they somehow get mixed up in people's head. I'd set Cortazar with Arlt (for day to day life mixed with raw feelings, although in different ways) and Borges with Casares (both having heavy ideas first and then thinking the story out, but one doing it with incredible prose while the other manages; they were good friends also, you can try to imagine why as you read)

>> No.6294271

>>6294247
Borges is such a hype where I live, at least among spanish language learners and people in love with South American in general, whereas few people even know of Cortazar. I don't know if I can say that given that I haven't read any Borges, but it's such a pity. Cortazar is fascinating...

>> No.6295197

>>6288224

Do you know where you can find any Giovanni translations? I looked briefly on amazon/abebooks and only found like 1 book, something about mythical creatures.

>> No.6295228

>>6294189
Note to self: avoid Borges.

>> No.6295338

>>6295228

He seems to be very polarizing, yeah. People either adore or despise his style (at least as translated). Understandably so, I guess, but I love him.

>> No.6295343

Borges and Chekhov have been the two most influential short story writers over the last century or so.

On one hand you have Chekhov's realism, and on the other you have Borges' magical realism.

>> No.6295346

>>6295197
sites.google.com/site/thebooksofsand/the-short-stories-of-jorge-luis-borges-the-giovanni-translations

>> No.6295357

>>6294235
You're supposed to wipe yourself with them, not use them as fapping toys.

>> No.6295375

>>6294189
>If God does not exist, the number is indefinite, because nobody was able to take count

this premise is false.

>> No.6295392

>>6295346

I would hug you if I knew you, you great bastard.