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>Oresteia

Aeschylus may have been killed when an eagle dropped a tortoise on his head. Aeschylus was very bald and the eagle mistook his bald head for a rock suitable for breaking the tortoise's shell.

>> No.6275838

actually it was more likely a lammergeier

>> No.6275849

what really?

i just finished reading the oresteia earlier today and was thinking about starting a thread about it. it was my first experience of greek tragedy and my god, was it tragic. at least Justice prevails in the end!!

>> No.6275864

>>6275849
Its pretty much my first experience with greek tragedy as well. I read Oedipus for class a couple of years ago but didn't really pay as much attention to it as I did the Orestes. I haven't finished it yet though. I'm going to move on to Oedipus and the other Theban plays by Sophocles once I finish the Orestes. Greek plays are very fun to read but can also be very confusing at times. You need a lot of background information.

>> No.6275896

>>6275864
yea i found myself going to wikipedia to read about the mythology behind it all to greater understand the storyline. mostly family trees. i'm going to read the illiad next

so whom did you feel most sympathy for? agememnon or claetemnestra?

>> No.6275900

>>6275896
>i found myself going to wikipedia to read about

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>> No.6275901

>>6275896
agamemnon* clytaemnestra*

oops lol

>> No.6275904
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I learned that there was a Montreal club in the late 18th to early 19th century called the Beaver Club, where wealthy fur-traders would gather together. One of the activities they supposedly did was sit themselves as if they were in a canoe and pretended to be sailing down a river in the wilderness.

>> No.6275919

>>6275896
Haven't read enough to really say, but from my knowledge on Greek myths, I feel like Clytemnestra is probably the more sympathetic. Understandably, it was ancient times, and of course going to be misogynistic, but Agamemnon was completely unfaithful to Clytemnestra and in the Iliad, we see just how shitty of a leader he was. He sacrificed his own daughter to save Helen, who wasn't in much needed saving, and he took Achilles' (his best warrior) prize. I'm not even so sure if Agamemnon ever even learned his lesson. Maybe I should go check out the Odyssey to see what he has to say while he's the underworld.

>> No.6275926

>>6275900
...to greater understand the storyline. aeschylus doesn't mention all the back story and mythology in the oresteia. also, there are conflicting accounts of the story. is going to wikipedia such a bad thing anon? have you read any of this yourself?

>> No.6275931

>>6275904
>sit themselves as if they were in a canoe and pretended to be sailing

kek, did you just read about them on wikipedia or did you read about them in an actual book?

>>6275900
Uh, who cares if he's reading it just for some backstory? Not like he's using wikipedia to "read" the book.

>> No.6275955

>>6275919
yea i was sympathetic for both. i guess that's the point of the play though huh? agamemnon and menelaus go to war because the seduction of helen is shameful. to win the war and ensure the honor of argos, he sacrifices his daugther. lots of people die and they are victorious. but they're gone for almost 10 years and clytaemnestra is distanced from agamemnon. plus he sacrificed their daughter... and adding the whole inherited guilt, agamemnon guilty of atreus' acts, and orestes guilty of his mother's and father's actions just adds a further complexity to it all.

>> No.6275966

>>6275931

Yeah I actually read it from a book. The book is called Alexander Mackenzie: From Canada by Land by Ainslie Mason. I did go on Wikipedia for more info, though.

>The highlight of the evening was the ceremonial "Grand Voyage." Each man grabbed a walking stick, a poker or a sword to use as a paddle. Then they seated themselves on the floor, where they padded an imaginary canoe.

>> No.6275975

>>6275828
The last book I read was Silas Marner, so I guess I learned that in the medieval period, weavers were generally nomadic. Also that foxglove supposedly is anti-inflammatory, but I'm a little skeptical of that.


>>6275900
>I have literally read everything ever and have transcended the need for furthering my comprehension of a book

Man, you are not Milton.

>> No.6276009

>>6275828
Catepillars are just one long, simple digestive tract, existing only to eat enough food and store enough energy to build a cocoon and undergo metamorphosis.

>> No.6276071

>>6275828
>The Man Without Qualities
Smart people in the late 1930's knew a lot

>> No.6276274

When the soviets invaded Poland in WWII Vasily Blokhin, Stalin's chief NKVD executioner personally killed around 7000 people. Holy. Shit.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Blokhin

>> No.6276282

>>6276274
From Stalin-court of the red tsar, great book if you are at all interested in that period of history

>> No.6276317

>>6275919
>Clytaemnestra

>It was ancient times, and of course going to be misogynistic

>Sleep with lover and cheat with your husband in his home
>He comes home
>Have him killed
>Usurp the trone
>Get your due punishment

"It's misogynistic", you just couldn't make this shit up.

>> No.6276320

>>6276274
7,000 people in 28 days.

Holy fucking shit. It's like the German's weren't even trying!

>> No.6276425

>>6276317
I meant that Agamemnon having multiple lovers was fine back then but Clytemnestra having multiple was not accepted. I only meant misogynistic in this sense, not in what you brought up.

>> No.6276440

>>6275828
Wisdom of the West, Kierkegaard was apparently a Catholic in disguise.

>> No.6276454

I want Thrasymachus to leave.

>> No.6276684

>>6275828
Fitzgerald predicted the Great Depression prior to it happening through his premonition of wealth's destructive nature in The Great Gatsby

>>KEK AF

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>>6275828
>Germinal

The proletariat are mostly easily manipulated brutes and the bourgeoisie are a bunch of beta males who's wives cheat on them right under their nose.

>> No.6276715

>>6275828
A Roman senator or somesuch was once tried for failing to inform the council of a dream he'd had

>> No.6278178

>>6276715
Makes sense in a society that considers the favor of the gods to be essential for the continuation of the state.

It would be akin to withholding valuable intelligence from the state.

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6278223

Theaetetus dialogue by Plato: I don't know what is knowledge.
So, how can I say that I ''do not know'' what is knowledge if I don't even understand what is to ''know'' something?

>> No.6278237

I learned a bit more about story structure, action scenes and character development. I almost feel confident enough to do my own novella. Almost.