/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.6268912]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11470985/Are-you-reading-too-many-books-by-straight-white-men.html

Where are your leftist God's now?

[Anonymous No.6268916]

Gonna need a pastebin.

[Anonymous No.6268944]

It reached critical mass on February 22, with a blog written by K Tempest, a little-known New York feminist writer hoping – and succeeding – to cause a stink (and no doubt get publicity for her own work), when she challenged readers to stop reading books by “straight white cisgendered male authors for a year”.
She said most books were “skewed heavily toward privileged voices” and some even made her “ragequit” reading them.
Perhaps predictably, Tempest’s message went down badly in certain quarters, drawing such scathing abuse that she compiled a blog featuring the most offensive tweets. She was called a “black supremacist” who was "intolerant, censorious, and an obstruction of the free exchange of ideas that is essential to freedom itself." One simply read, “I challenge you to throw yourself in a wood chipper”.


Article itself is of a tone against tumblr level degeneracy

[Anonymous No.6268961]

Think of the entitlement it must take to demand and even think that people must write according to your wishes.

[Anonymous No.6268984]

>>6268912
Thish *sniffs* ish the sort of people who would gho firsht into gulag.

[Anonymous No.6268995]

Social justice is a funny name for the phenomeon

[Anonymous No.6269002]

>>6268995
Social justice meant, in the 40's, the fight for economic redistribution. How did retards like these overtake the "left" is beyond me.

[Anonymous No.6269003]

When they start paying me to read is when I start paying attention to whom they want me to read.

[Anonymous No.6269009]

>>6269002
to be fair, not like the right is any safe haven

[Anonymous No.6269012]

>>6269009
So what? That doesn't make the left any less pathetic. It just makes the right stronger.

[Anonymous No.6269022]

>article literally starts off with a /pol/ tier argument
>reverse racism
>"Is it just a timely revenge for generations of “privilege” that all white men have enjoyed, presumably even those millions killed in wars or rotting in prisons, or sleeping rough tonight."
ayyyyyyy

[Anonymous No.6269026]

>>6269012
>It just makes the right stronger.

Nigga please, retards exists on both sides.

[Anonymous No.6269027]

>>6269012
I don't even know by what definition are those people leftists anyway. They don't give a fuck about workers or class struggle, and focus on race and gender instead. How is that leftist?

[Anonymous No.6269031]

>>6268944
>“I challenge you to throw yourself in a wood chipper”.

[Anonymous No.6269035]

>>6268984
>not *shniffs*

[Anonymous No.6269037]

>>6269026
Again: so what? Retarded or not, they wield political power or aspire to.
>>6269027
Gay black lesbians are more important than the working class in general, goy-I mean, guy!

[Anonymous No.6269039]

>Many others have pointed out that racism against whites can’t ever exist, because we have privilege and power and white people aren’t even oppressed.

fuck that bullshit open a history book you dumb harridans

[Anonymous No.6269040]

>>6269037
Go back to /pol/, stormfriend.

[Anonymous No.6269048]

>>6269039
>open a history book
It has to be written by a woman, person of color, or transgendered person.

[Anonymous No.6269051]

>>6268912
>reading books not written by straight white men

Enjoy your YA and romance fiction.

[Anonymous No.6269056]

>>6269037
>wield political power or aspire to.
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But if you are for realz, they have no tangible powers as a fringe group unlike the Tea Party. Maybe they will but they definitely aren't now. Hell this bitch already got a push back from her wild demand

[Anonymous No.6269066]

>>6269056
You think these people have no desire to hold office? If that's the case then the left (of which they are a part) is even more pathetic, since its most vocal members don't have any interest in putting their views into law.
These people are part of the left and you can't act like they're inconsequential.

[Anonymous No.6269075]

>>6269066
They are about as consequential to current political discourse as /pol/

[Anonymous No.6269097]

>>6269075
>Implying
This is the discourse of the university right now. I go to school with these people. I have Marxist professors who make white people jokes. I have factially liberal but self-identifying Marxist friends who buy this stuff This is what the Left looks like.

[Anonymous No.6269105]

>>6269097
Are you american?

[Anonymous No.6269109]

>>6269075
Whenever I hear the phrase 'campus democrat' I think of pic related.

[Anonymous No.6269114]

Name me one worthwhile book by a woman with a message that isn't "hurr durr poor oppressed women"

[Anonymous No.6269115]

>>6269105
Yes.

[Anonymous No.6269121]

>>6269097
>>6269109

But they haven't done anything to influence the political stage on the scale of other fringe group. They are out there and they haven't made any demands or changes. Maybe you can consider Occupy Movement, but that didn't turn out well.

This whole thing could just be a fad anyway

[Anonymous No.6269127]

>>6269114
We could name you hundreds that aren't about being an oppressed woman. Likely none of them will fit your arbitrary category of 'worthwhile'.

[Anonymous No.6269129]

>>6269121
They clearly have made demands. That's what the controversy is about. If they weren't loud, no one would be talking about them.

[Anonymous No.6269132]

>>6269115
It's basically the only place where the left is reverse racist (i guess for historical reasons). So no, that's not what the left looks like in most places. And the left is irrelevant in america anyway.

[Anonymous No.6269140]

>>6269129
you mean the demands that got shut down?

Yea.

[Anonymous No.6269144]

>>6269140
Forgot to mention, demands made by one person on her own soapbox?

[Anonymous No.6269147]

>>6269121
>they haven't done anything to influence the political stage
9 out of every five women on campus are raped everyday. That's why no more due process for males.
Fortunately males are still allowed to vote. And I will remember Hillary's children.

[Anonymous No.6269160]

>>6268912
i read a fair amount by bisexual white men

[Anonymous No.6269171]

>>6269121


as someone who presumably spends a lot of time on anonymous image boards, it surprises me you don't seem to really 'get' how vocal minorities can shift overton windows over time merely by existing.

its not exactly a new dynamic either, in other ages it was some times called 'phariseeism'; they are in competition with each other to display superior holiness.

people with insufficiently holy opinions are socially outflanked by holier than thou radicals, and so ideology usually mutates over time to ever greater memetic adaptiveness (usually to the hosts detriment). sometimes you get critical masses of enthusiastic true believers getting in on the fun creating a race to the bottom that sweeps up the whole population, which thankfully doesn't get there too often, because the stalins of the world observe that they might be outflanked by the holier than thou too, and put a stop to holiness competition.

we can only be thankful that our modern Pharisees lack the will or wherewithal to actually form chekas and gestapos to round up the insufficiently holy. never the less, they are still symptomatic of a process that will influence popular discourse that affect everyone at least in part.

[Anonymous No.6269179]

>>6268916
Pastebin here.
http://pastebin.com/Gh4qNN7m

[Anonymous No.6269197]

>>6269171
The increased use of the internet over the past decade or more seems to have had the effect of increasing the arms race as well. All sorts of fringe groups can pool together online and put forward increasingly ludicrous and more stringent proposals.

[Anonymous No.6269214]

>>6269171
>that pic
If only there was a way to signify the rolling of Rs. That's what would really make it perfect.

[Anonymous No.6269229]

There's nothing wrong with multiple perspectives and all that but it fucking bores me to death when there's nothing but fetishistic collecting of non-white non-heterosexual signifiers

[Anonymous No.6269245]

If I ever become a socialist dictator I will have a special secret police whose sole purpose it is to capture and execute people who call liberalism leftist.

[Anonymous No.6269252]

>>6269245
Modern liberalism = cultural marxism = a left leaning ideology = leftism

[Anonymous No.6269259]

>>6269114
The Talented Mr Ripley

[Anonymous No.6269261]

>>6269252
cultural marxism doesn't exist, it's just a convieniant conspiracy theory thay allows rightist to explain the degenerate culture of post fordism without having to question the free market

[Anonymous No.6269262]

DIE
ALL
SLUTS
WHORES
BITCHES
JUST
DIE
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH

[Anonymous No.6269263]

>>6269245
But the Democratic party is on the left

[Anonymous No.6269268]

>>6269263

[Anonymous No.6269271]

>>6269261
>cultural marxism doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.6269281]

>>6269268
Look, idiot, just because you can't separate center left and far left doesn't mean the rest of us have yo live in your fantasy world where the spectrum is as black and white as you want it to be.

[Anonymous No.6269293]

>>6269281
The Democrats aren't centre left, they don't even support universal healthcare ffs.

[Anonymous No.6269305]

>>6269252
Pic related is 'cultural marxism'. What you're describing is what middle class people get up to in a capitalist system.

[Anonymous No.6269314]

>>6269263
American politics are like American sports. You just make up your own shit and then get confused when the rest of the world doesn't do things the same way.

There is no such thing as a leftist liberal. Liberalism is per definition right wing.

[Anonymous No.6269337]

>>6269261

It has some Marxist residue in it though, through counter culture. They have just combined the commonalities between leftist theory and capitalism, which conflict much less than anyone would have ever imagined. Calling it "Cultural Marxism" is a bit of stretch though.

[Anonymous No.6269346]

>>6269293
Yes they do, the Affordable Care Act was put into law by a Democrat.
>>6269314
You understand that liberal means different things in different places right? The Democrats are the center-left alternative to the Republican center-right. It's entirely a matter of degrees. No, they aren't far left, no, they aren't revolutionary, no, they aren't socialists, but they're the dominant voice of the American left.

[Anonymous No.6269358]

>>6269337
counter culture is a capitalist idea

[Anonymous No.6269365]

i only care about what white guys have to say anyways

[Anonymous No.6269368]

>>6269358
Lel, the ideology on this one

[Anonymous No.6269385]

>>6269314


lol, what.

if you advocate democracy, that makes you a huge radical already historically speaking.

[Anonymous No.6269386]

>>6268912
>She said most books were “skewed heavily toward privileged voices” and some even made her “ragequit” reading them.

It's still amazing to me that people like this exist

[Anonymous No.6269421]

>>6269386

[Anonymous No.6269422]

>it's racist and sexist but only towards white men so it's okay :^)

[Anonymous No.6269427]

>>6269346
You just got tricked into thinking they're leftist by your shitty two party system.

[Anonymous No.6269433]

>>6269422
Imagine the fuss if someone started a campaign to not read black lesbian authors.

[Anonymous No.6269436]

>>6269422
You're embarrassing yourself dude. Learn how to think

[Anonymous No.6269438]

>>6269433
good job quotin' the article m8

[Anonymous No.6269446]

>>6269048
lost it

[Anonymous No.6269456]

>>6268984
XD GOOD USE OF THAT MEME BRO

[Anonymous No.6269485]

>>6268912
It's such a silly myth that gender and race actually offers perspective on things

People who believe are stupid

[Anonymous No.6269524]

>>6269427
>tricked
No, I know the system sucks, you're the one who can't distinguish between degrees of leftism.

[Anonymous No.6269534]

>>6269524
What part of the Democrat's platform is leftist? The support for wall street? the support for imperialism?

[Anonymous No.6269541]

>>6269534
Compared to the Republican party (the clause I've been pushing this while time that you've been ignoring), they're more to the left.

[Anonymous No.6269557]

>>6269541
So you define parties not by what they actually stand for but by their position in the media spectacle of sanctioned debate. Bit odd that mate.

[Anonymous No.6269570]

>>6269557
I define them in relation to each other. If you claim you don't think the Democrats lean more to the left than the Republicans even to a slight degree, you're just trying to stir up shit at this point and aren't worth responding to.
Yes, America is fucked up, but you're one of many kinds of pedant that gives the left a bad name. Enjoy arguing about revisionism all day.

[Anonymous No.6269587]

>>6269422
dr. who tshirt
as if the bitch could be more contradictory

[Anonymous No.6269590]

>>6269541


pfff, todays republicans is lefty too, that's why they have always continuously lost ground to the lefter left, which is holier than they are.

[Anonymous No.6269596]

Jokes on them I'll just read Mishima.

[Anonymous No.6269624]

Daily reminder that 'social justice' 'activism' is the stench of the corpse of the left which now lacks any plausible, constructive solutions to the problem of capitalism.

[Anonymous No.6269643]

>>6269624
>the left which now lacks any plausible, constructive solutions to the problem of capitalism

Hoxhaism

[Anonymous No.6269646]

>>6269261
well said.

[Anonymous No.6269656]

>>6269570
if republicans are to the left of mussolini does that make them leftist?

[Anonymous No.6269657]

>>6269643
Kek

[Anonymous No.6269660]

>>6269624
That's because the solution to capitalism is not leftism, but feudalism. All the problems in the world are caused by merchants and usurers (I.e. Oligarchs).

[Anonymous No.6269664]

>>6269587
you are a fucking nerd bc you recognized that

[Anonymous No.6269672]

>>6269656
No, but that's a faulty comparison, since fascism is a far-right ideology that defines itself as further right than liberalism. Mussolini's Italy was a one-party state anyway.

[Anonymous No.6269676]

>straight
Hey, at least we still got Shakespeare and the greeks.

[Anonymous No.6269695]

>>6269660
okay, that is an opinion, but it is also non sequitur.
leftism used to have an approachable overarching goal to solve the problem of capitalism (revolution and/or total communism, whatever) lacking the ability to maintain these as possibilities, they satisfy themselves with picking the nits of capitalism with the seeming goal of merely making it more inclusive, friendly. kindof sad, really, it is as if hannibal went from threatening to sack rome to sweeping it's streets.

[Anonymous No.6269697]

>>6269676
lol

[Anonymous No.6269711]

>>6269676
Also Thomas Mann.

[Anonymous No.6269714]

>>6269660
neither american party is opposed to capitalism, your 'leftist' party actually decided to 'fix' healthcare by using the coercive power of the state to force citizens to buy a privately produced commodity (health insurance).
the two parties on differ on the specifics of how they wish for the government to intervene in the liberal market. they are both center right, honestly.

[Anonymous No.6269724]

>>6269676

don't forget the beatniks, Bret Easton Ellis and Palahniuk

not sure I want any of them though

[Anonymous No.6269734]

>>6269676
>>6269711
>>6269724
We found a loophole

[Anonymous No.6269735]

>>6269724
maybe we can organize a trade

[Anonymous No.6269757]

>>6269714


the thing is the degree to which either party functions is generally the degree to which they operate under unprincipled exceptions to the ideology they ostensibly advocate.

[Anonymous No.6269764]

>>6269114
Little House on the Prarie

[Anonymous No.6269785]

>>6269114
>book without political content
>worthwhile

[Anonymous No.6269791]

>>6269365
this lol

[Anonymous No.6269823]

>>6269114
Harry Potter

[Anonymous No.6269833]

>>6269114
Lais of Marie of France
Some troubadours were women
George Eliot

In general though yeah, the field is pretty barren.

[Anonymous No.6269844]

i'd start reading non ~straight white males~ if everyone just stepped up their game. what can a kitschy memoir of the unfair conditions of my family under capitalist and social oppression that proposes nothing formally and depends entirely on the reader's gullibility to swallow mediocre works out of a misled "compromise" that backfires at the very moment that they support the ostracism that is realized whenever a ~minority~ writer gives up on any personal style or major aesthetic exploration to fit on a standardized ~minority~ literary discourse rather than any ~oppressive~ editorial agenda? like, how many great writers have been swallowed by these falsely ~compromised~ literature that satisfies no one but ~white~ people in american universities, american academias or internet herd-like behavior on certain sites that build an anti-critical agenda out of a, supposedly, critical position.

[Anonymous No.6269849]

>>6269114
Frankenstein!

[Anonymous No.6269908]

>>6269849
>worthwhile

[Anonymous No.6269919]

>>6269908

Frankenstein is the best horror novel yet written

try much, much harder

[Anonymous No.6269947]

>>6269114

To The Lighthouse
The Waves
Ms Dalloway
Orlando
Between the Acts
The Heart is a Lonely Hunter
The Member of the Wedding
The Ballad of the Sad Cafe
Wise Blood
The Violent Bear it Away
White Teeth
Paradise
Frankenstein
Harry Potter
50 Shades of Gray
Twilight
The Second Sex
Atlas Shrugged
The Fountainhead
We The Living
Anthem
Gender Trouble
Bastard out of Carolina
etc

[Anonymous No.6269950]

>>6269919
>this is the best shit ever taken! Why don't you want to eat it?

[Anonymous No.6269953]

If you want to read good stuff you'll automatically read >80% white male authors, that's just how it is.
I think I've never read a book by a black author though.
>tfw I thought for some reason that Coatzee was black

[Anonymous No.6269955]

>>6269947
>Name me one worthwhile book by a woman with a message that isn't "hurr durr poor oppressed women"
>The Second Sex

[Anonymous No.6269962]

>>6269955

>hasn't read the second sex
>has likely never taken a feminist epistemology seriously

[Anonymous No.6269993]

Why is everyone so fucking obsessed with race

[Anonymous No.6269999]

Who gives a shit. That demographic's idea of a "novel" isn't particularly sound anyway, just look at >>6269422

[Anonymous No.6270004]

>>6269947
>50 Shades of Gray
>Twilight
>Worthwhile books

Fucking come on

[Anonymous No.6270010]

>>6270004

I enjoy pulp and pop culture
sorry that you're missing out

[Anonymous No.6270015]

>>6270010
It's your loss that you're so easily mused

[Anonymous No.6270016]

>>6270010
Clearly a woman

[Anonymous No.6270021]

>>6270010
Oh no I'm a male and I'm not into Twilight and 50 Shades of Gray

I'm a joyless loser

Get real you fucking brainless twat

[Anonymous No.6270023]

>>6270016

want to see my cock?

[Anonymous No.6270027]

>>6269993
spoken like a true white oppressor

[Anonymous No.6270034]

>>6269993


that's just how politicization works. not being concerned with the subject of The Great Work means that youre an enemy of The Great Work. everything not forbidden is compulsory.

[Anonymous No.6270035]

Who needs James Joyce when you've got Lena Dunham and 'Fangirl'

[Anonymous No.6270042]

>>6270023
Are you masturbating right now?

[Anonymous No.6270062]

>>6270042

no, but I could be

wanna see, big guy?

[Anonymous No.6270090]

>>6268912
I will agree to read 4 books by non-whites if they can get non-whites to sit through an entire movie in a theater without a whole lot of hooting and hollering.

[Anonymous No.6270114]

>>6269993
It distracts them from the real enemy, which is unkillable.

[Anonymous No.6270133]

>>6270090
r u a 1990's stand up comedian

[Anonymous No.6270226]

>>6269114
A Visit from the Goon Squad
American Salvage