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6234055 No.6234055 [Reply] [Original]

Where does desire come from in Hegel's philosophy?

>> No.6234060

>>6234055
check em

>> No.6234064

Reconciliation of tension.

>> No.6234071

>>6234060
>checked

>> No.6234108

>>6234064
I can see the necessity of trying to reconcile tension, that would be in the definition of tension, but how does the tension itself come about?

>inb4 conflicting desire

>> No.6234151

>>6234108
>Why does Absolute Spirit other itself?
Because it has to, obviously. Mind has to exist in relation to something. Tension between antitheses is a fundamental principle of Hegel's philosophy. Desire is always an individual mind's desire to return to Absolute Spirit.

>> No.6234174

>>6234055
Recognition of the self-in-other

I''m assuming you've read the Lordship and Bondage dialectic

>> No.6234191

>>6234174
I'm sorry, that's a bad way of putting it but it's the closest I can get without writing an essay.

>> No.6234215

>>6234108
Holding conflicting perceptions simultaneously.

>> No.6234236

>>6234215
You're the worst Hegelian on this board

>> No.6236327

I think your question itself can be a bit of a misunderstanding. "Where from" is asking for an efficient cause, or possibly material cause ("what from"). But Hegel puts emphasis on formal and final causes. For him the moving cause is often identical to the final cause, similar to Aristotle: it is the end that moves.

>> No.6236636

Where should I start with Hegel?

I've been directed to him because of analytical philosophy and modal logic.

>> No.6236659

>>6236636
Who directed you to the philosopher of Spirit from the philosophy of spiritlessness?
Start with the Phenomenology, but also with the Greeks, who are sublated by the Phenomenology.

>> No.6236676

>>6236659
I'm the OP of >>6234463.

>> No.6236682

>>6236636

Get a lobotomy.

Then try Phenomenology of Sport

>> No.6236713

>>6236682
>Sport

what

>> No.6236776

>>6236676
Hegel has nothing to do with analytic philosophy, aside from the stance of total opposition to his system that analytic philosophy typically takes I regard to him. He also isn't a good philosopher to start with.
Start with the Greeks. Thales, Heraclitus, Zeno, Parmenides, Plato, Aristotle, and Plotinus, to be exact.

>> No.6236796

>>6236776
>Hegel has nothing to do with analytic philosophy, aside from the stance of total opposition to his system that analytic philosophy typically takes I regard to him. He also isn't a good philosopher to start with.
Oh.
>Start with the Greeks. Thales, Heraclitus, Zeno, Parmenides, Plato, Aristotle, and Plotinus, to be exact.
Should the works by those authors found here be what I should look into first:
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading/Non-fiction#Philosophy

>> No.6236801

>>6236796
Probably.

>> No.6236880

>>6236327
Okay, this is a good answer. I will read more.

>> No.6236922

>>6236796

Ignore the pre-socratics, start with Plato's early Socratic Dialogues

>> No.6236936

>>6236801
>>6236922
Thanks.
I've never really thought much about logic outside of mathematics and computing. This will be interesting.

>> No.6236984

>>6236776
are there any texts by those philosophers i can read? or do i have to read about them from a secondary source?

>> No.6237887

>>6236984

With Thales and Zeno, their material is primarily referred to, by other thinkers (Thales in Plato's Theaetetus, and possibly elsewhere; Zeno in Plato's Parmenides and Aristotle's Physics and maybe Metaphysics). Heraclitus and Parmenides we don't have all of the material of, but their writings are extensively quoted from by writers in antiquity, so you're still largely getting it from them. Plato's material survives intact, and Aristotle we only have the esoteric writings of. Plotinus we also have the writings of intact.

For Thales, Heraclitus, Parmenides, and Zeno, look to the Diels-Kranz collection.

>> No.6239665

>>6236922
>>6236936
Don't ignore the presocratics, ignore anyone who tells you you shoukd