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Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:17:30 2015 No.6217456 [DELETED]

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What are some good living painters, /lit/?

I have a view of art quite similar to that of Roger Scruton and other conservatives. I think most of modern art is total pretentious crap, and I enjoy the beauty of the great masters.

I know this sn't literature related, but, let us be frank, we are the only board that could discuss such things.

So, what are some painters who aren't pretentious and who actually do good work?

I know of sculptor Alexander Stoddart, but that's as far as I get.

Pic related, it's a sculpture by him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:19:06 2015 No.6217464 File: 50 KB, 624x443, uglow.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Most good 'contemporary'painters I know of have been dying. Kitaj, Uglow, Freud...

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:24:12 2015 No.6217482 File: 35 KB, 308x416, 114-dali-flowers..jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Last great painter was this lunatic. Everyone since has been so many shades of mediocre (despite how hard some of them have tried to be bad).

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:31:45 2015 No.6217516

>>6217482
Some painters of the London school were good. They, I think, were the last ones, as far as I know.

Anyway, the situation of the art world is just ridiculous, and people have been ignoring it for decades now. How can anyone take a hack like Andy Warhol seriously?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:35:11 2015 No.6217528 >>6217456 I think people see a lot of postmodern art thats fucking garbage and thats why they hate it so much. Gravity's is a good example of 'modern art' that isnt just pretentious bullshit.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:35:36 2015 No.6217529

>>6217516

Nigga please, I would kill to have a Warhol around today instead of these fucking buffoons flinging paint at a canvas or sculpting giant vaginas out of cement. The art world today is so overfull with loathsome charlatans and pretentious academics that the basest hygiene standards would stipulate keeping far far away.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:36:20 2015 No.6217535 >>6217528 Gravity's Rainbow*, fug.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:39:21 2015 No.6217552 >>6217535 We're talking about the visual arts, silly billy. >>6217529 Warhol was of the same species as today's hacks. They all spring from the same kind of shit. I can't stand looking at one of his paintings for more than 5 seconds.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:40:20 2015 No.6217556
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>>6217456
May not be to everyone's taste, but I like Billy Childish. Jasper Johns is still alive, and has been in the Simpsons. Gerhard Richter's pretty old, but his work's solid and he did a Sonic Youth album cover, so there's that.

My personal favourite's a guy called Hughie O'Donoghue.

Makoto Fujimura may appeal to the weeaboo, since he's lived the dream.

Jenny Saville is kind of like Freud, but distinctive to herself.

If you're into kind of bourgeois stuff that's a bit "edgy" then Jack Vettriano's your huckleberry. I think I remember reading he's the best selling artist as far as prints are concerned.

Banksy, hehe.

Rackstraw Downes has the finest name in the history of art. I think his work's a bit meh, but the technique is awesome and old school.
Above all don't listen to arseholes like this >>6217482 - there's still plenty of good painters in the world, and the galleries are the mausoleums of talent. Also Dali was an indifferent and venal artist, but a good draughtsman.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:44:13 2015 No.6217568
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>>6217556

Good and great are two very, very different things.

And Dali at least had the balls to embrace his venality. He loved the name Avida Dollars.

Still fifteen worlds above absolutely anyone who calls themselves a painter today.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:46:04 2015 No.6217578
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>>6217556
I know most of the painters you mentioned and they're shit.

Just look at this one by Jenny Saville. It's not painting, it's more like a botched photography.

Of the ones you've mentioned Vettriano is the best, but there's still much of pop art tendencies in his work and therefore he's also shit.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:46:47 2015 No.6217580

>>6217552

I personally find Warhol more contemptible as a person than as an artist. Try watching that video of him eating a hamburger for more than 30 seconds without wanting to beat him with a steel pole.

It's really obnoxious that so many gay males in the 21st century still haven't developed past the Warhol archetype.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:50:03 2015 No.6217593
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>>6217482

>In 1936, Dalí took part in the London International Surrealist Exhibition. His lecture, titled Fantômes paranoiaques authentiques, was delivered while wearing a deep-sea diving suit and helmet.[34] He had arrived carrying a billiard cue and leading a pair of Russian wolfhounds, and had to have the helmet unscrewed after nearly suffocating. He commented that "I just wanted to show that I was 'plunging deeply' into the human mind."

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:51:25 2015 No.6217605
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>>6217568
Dali's deal is actually knew how to paint properly. He knew how to use colors, forms, how to explore depth, and other things. He knew his craft. Even though I think many of his works are pretentious, they still show the mark of a man who excelled at painting.

Among today's painters the only one I know of who actually can paint is Carlo Maria Mariani, and he doesn't even have an English wikipedia page. Anyway, most of his work is shit because he insists in using some shitty anachronistic imagery which spoils everything and makes no sense, besides painting the same stuff over and over.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:55:59 2015 No.6217629

>>6217593
Watch his interviews. He enjoyed acting like a crazy man. Funnily, I think he was the only surrealist who did that: I've seen interviews with both Ernst and Bunuel and they were extremely normal guys. Bunuel was too normal, actually.

>>6217580
He was disgusting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:58:37 2015 No.6217642 >>6217556 >he did a Sonic Youth album cover, so there's that. No he didn't they took it and he was ok with it. Great painter though, even better expressionist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 23:00:37 2015 No.6217647 >>6217629 Yeah, he was a showman who adored attention, exactly why they 'kicked him out'.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 23:03:19 2015 No.6217663

>>6217578
>Of the ones you've mentioned Vettriano is the best

So you like the bourgeois one - that's why there was a wide selection of painters in my shitty list.

There's a load of others I could tell you but they're a bit obscure and I don't want to be a hipster. Have a look at Dorus Brekelmans if you like Vertriani. Jake Baddely does some good work, but I don't like it. Francoise Abraham makes some kind of kitschy sculpture that's OK, but way overpriced.

Going around saying "it's all shit" doesn't make you look like a cool guy, btw. It makes you look like a pouty philistine child.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 23:05:20 2015 No.6217671 >>6217663 >So you like the bourgeois one Kill yourself and viva the bourgeoisie.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 23:05:34 2015 No.6217672 >>6217482 Dali's not even that good of a technical painter and his ideas were meh.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 23:07:15 2015 No.6217680

>>6217671

Vettriano is the quintessential bourgeois painter of the early 21st century. He paints for money, and lots of it, and people buy his prints to match the decor of their den.

Why are you getting so upset? Is it too hard for you to actually talk about art?

Either way, I'm actually going to bed, so you can throw your toys out of the pram by yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 23:07:19 2015 No.6217682 >>6217663 I looked at the painters you mentioned and the only on whose work isn't a pure expression of shitness is Baddely, who's still far from greatness.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 23:08:26 2015 No.6217687 >>6217682 >I've seen reproductions on my phone, now I'm qualified to speak about art You're the kind of laughable fool that thinks Rothko's work is just coloured blobs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 23:09:47 2015 No.6217692 >tfw everyone on /lit/ hates abstract expressionism Why

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 23:17:21 2015 No.6217714 >>6217687 I do. And do it because it is. Deal with it. >>6217692 Because it's shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 23:18:55 2015 No.6217719 >>6217714 >this entire post How did you even end up on this board?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 23:32:08 2015 No.6217772 File: 78 KB, 623x2095, kick.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6217629 Dali was awesome.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 23:33:31 2015 No.6217779 File: 731 KB, 1024x956, the-bread-basket.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6217672 There is literally nothing Dali couldn't paint.

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Anonymous Mon Mar 2 23:50:56 2015 No.6217857
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I know everyone here hates him but after you get over his ego Jackson Pollock has created some interesting pieces. I think he is kinda milking it at this point but I'm his early stuff...

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 23:55:26 2015 No.6217876 >>6217456 >I think most of modern art is total pretentious crap, and I enjoy the beauty of the great masters. That's the most pretentious thing you can possibly say about art.

Anonymous Tue Mar 3 00:03:00 2015 No.6217922

>>6217857
I don't know anything about his personality, but i really appreciate what he's done for art, even if i don't like it on aesthetic level.
I love abstract expressionism, but there's something about his work that just isn't doing it for me. Maybe it's too 'spikey'.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 3 00:03:45 2015 No.6217927 >>6217672 >Dali's not even that good of a technical painter Dali was an amazingly good technical painter. It's Picasso who was a talentless hack. >and his ideas were meh. That is true.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 3 00:10:25 2015 No.6217955 >>6217927 What the fuck are you talking about? Picasso was an excellent painter, have you even seen his paintings as a child?

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