how to get past existential depression?

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Anonymous Sun Mar 1 18:42:04 2015 No.6211987 [Reply] [Original]

how to get past existential depression?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 18:42:40 2015 No.6211991 Try listening to epic music

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 18:42:58 2015 No.6211992 >>6211987 Suicide.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 18:43:07 2015 No.6211994 >>6211987 Smoke cocaine

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 18:44:12 2015 No.6212001 The Greeks

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 18:44:22 2015 No.6212004 Realize that life has no meaning or value, and thus is not worth fretting over.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Sun Mar 1 18:45:55 2015 No.6212013 >>6211987 Why is this depressing you?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 18:48:21 2015 No.6212026 >>6211987 By imagining Sisyphus happy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 18:49:02 2015 No.6212029 >>6212004 yep this, roll your own meaning

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 18:50:58 2015 No.6212037 >>6212013 it's hard to explain. i don't find existing a self-conscious being particularly valuable

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 19:08:17 2015 No.6212099 acceptance live life as it fit nothing deserve to be sad drug is not a suitable solution just watch The Mask 1994 i'm high as duck

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 19:10:06 2015 No.6212108 File: 61 KB, 500x500, 1422458540385.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6212037

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 19:13:30 2015 No.6212121 >>6212108 >#YOLO

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 19:15:03 2015 No.6212125
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As someone who has suffered from existential depression for years, all I can say is, find meaning in the meaningless, embrace fully the pit that envelopes us all. It is only once you can see the beauty in both sides of an argument that you can see clearly.

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« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Sun Mar 1 19:16:21 2015 No.6212129

>>6212037
What value do you need?
You have this life, sure there's no defined goals, but you are free to make them up as you go along.
Value as in Shakespeare? Meh, who needs it? You can have short term value to others, say, in a family unit. Owing emotional or financial support and all that, but since you have just the one life, treat yourself right primarily. You are your own value.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 19:16:48 2015 No.6212130

How does one reach the point at which one is so sick that existence ceases to justify itself?

Forget all notions of radical freedom or creating your own meaning. Simply experiencing one point of existence, in grasping the temporal flows of change and the eternal laws that drive temporal modalities should be enough. Existence needs no justification.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Sun Mar 1 19:18:25 2015 No.6212136 >>6212125 >embrace fully the pit that envelopes us all But it's a globe.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 19:18:48 2015 No.6212139 >>6212130 No transcendent justification.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 19:24:06 2015 No.6212163 ">>6212136" I'm gonna need some evidence before I believe that.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 19:25:25 2015 No.6212171

>>6212129
it's not that everything is meaningless, if there were a definite purpose or goal for life then I think that would be even worse, to be constrained by that. and i'm aware that any 'value' is transient. part of it is being a part of a huge society and culture full of 'madmen' that doesn't face the absurdities. all we need is distractions. i almost feel like ANY pursuit is, at it's root, an attempt to limit consciousness, to turn your back to the void. and all of my attempts to sublimate this despair, in a career, relationships, in art, religion, writing, or pleasure, are overlaid with this pessimistic outlook that consciousness itself is a tragedy.

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Sun Mar 1 19:35:06 2015 No.6212212

>>6212171
How are turning our back to the void? We grow in it.
>...are overlaid with this pessimistic outlook that consciousness itself is a tragedy.
It's pessimistic to think "consciousness" requires stewing about the futility of life 24/7. It's there. Now; enjoy.

Epicurus, etc.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 19:39:25 2015 No.6212234 create your own way of life so the problem cant even arise or avoid the problem submerging yourself in a purely physical enjoyment until your body starts wrecking.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 19:46:33 2015 No.6212263

>>6211987

"Kierkegaard solved this problem before existentialism began (which is ironic being as how he's widely considered as the definitive proto-existentialist).

God (and by default therefore, meaning) is exactly the lack of God in the universe. That is the form, understanding the content therein is more or less enlightenment. And that's the real problem of the disease called existentialism. It turns out to be practical, clinical, psychotherapeutic. In order to escape existential descent, you must become enlightened. Full stop. In order to evade the fall after the precipice, you must grow wings.

And that is why existentialism and nihilism are mental illnesses rather than proper philosophical positions. Even the most secular academic versions of either are just the contemplation of suicide, starring into the body of the drop from the edge."
- Anonymous

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Sun Mar 1 19:55:22 2015 No.6212299 >>6212263 Why would you ever save that anons quote?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 20:11:01 2015 No.6212350 >>6212037 Then do something you enjoy. Biking is hella fun.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 20:14:48 2015 No.6212364

>>6211987
Go outside. Put yourself in situations where you have to interact with new people. Be part of a group larger than yourself.

This is a cliche but at this point in my life I am confident the only cure for existential angst and dread is togetherness and love. At the end of the day nothing matters except for what you have done to enable yourself to experience these two things.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 20:15:44 2015 No.6212371 Try psychedelic drugs. Listen to lots of music. Visit your local art gallery. Read some GOAT literature. Learn a new language. Go travelling. 5-HTP is good for helping to overcome depression.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 20:16:07 2015 No.6212374 File: 351 KB, 1196x793, 5p8wDeH.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6211987

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 20:17:07 2015 No.6212382 >>6212350 I love you, /lit/ motorcycle guy

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 20:17:34 2015 No.6212385 >>6211987 Therapy, anti-depressants, change.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 20:22:32 2015 No.6212395 >>6212299 Because I know it bothers you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 20:23:42 2015 No.6212400 >>6212374 wat

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 20:26:39 2015 No.6212413 >>6212400 ;^)

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 20:32:09 2015 No.6212433 >>6211987 wanting to

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Sun Mar 1 20:32:20 2015 No.6212435 >>6212400 Imagination.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 20:36:36 2015 No.6212456 File: 278 KB, 1024x733, 1424803239547.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6212374 >>6212400

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 20:38:25 2015 No.6212467 File: 152 KB, 338x362, 1424379479406.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6212435 I love you Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 20:49:40 2015 No.6212519 >>6212435 U r da butter 4 my toast <3

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 23:22:25 2015 No.6213092 File: 107 KB, 750x750, 1423783323636.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6212519 She/He is mine.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 23:33:48 2015 No.6213144 >>6212456 I understood the other one but I feel like I'm missing something on this one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 23:35:48 2015 No.6213157 >>6213144 Life is a stage?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 23:36:53 2015 No.6213158 >>6212456 this kafkaesque shit is making me uncomfortable tbh

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 23:37:05 2015 No.6213160 >>6211987 dont, just read la chute already or kierky or something

>>	ᆦ Sun Mar 1 23:37:26 2015 No.6213161 Hedonism is fun.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 23:38:39 2015 No.6213168 >>6212171 beaudrillard han

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 23:39:17 2015 No.6213172 >>6213157 That's... way too shallow.

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 23:40:22 2015 No.6213179

>>6211987
You can't get past it. Existential depression is the selective pressure agent in post-cognitive evolution. Anyone with a mind fit to negate its own affirmation is a threat to the survival of the spirit. You must hold-up in respect for the delusions of others who will suffer without you. Take anti-depressants in the meanwhile.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 23:41:38 2015 No.6213183 File: 73 KB, 550x396, 1215282619200.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6211987 Drink some ayahuasca.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 23:46:45 2015 No.6213204 >>6213179 >muh Geist

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 23:50:18 2015 No.6213215

I've been depressed so much that I no longer feel bad.

Sort of like one builds up a resistance to drugs, and they have to ingest more and more to feel an effect, I just no longer feel depressed most of the time.

Although I'm not sure if the emptiness I feel is preferable to feeling morose.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 23:50:44 2015 No.6213217 >>6213179 >>6213204 Is that quote from something?

Anonymous Sun Mar 1 23:51:11 2015 No.6213219

Just stop overestimating your thoughts. You do not know anything. You're dumb. You're awfully dumb. Just embrace your foolishness, and stop believing your dumb irrational thoughts of superiority which are just justifications of your own steadfast foolishness. "I am dumb, therefore I must convince myself that there is no point in life so that I can deny my dumbness". But no, still dumb.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 23:53:35 2015 No.6213224 >>6213215 I've been depressed for so long that I no longer feel bad. I just feel a general sense of irremediability. And It's terrible. No, that's not the answer.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 1 23:53:50 2015 No.6213225 I guarantee you whatever distress you're feeling doesn't come from philosophical questions. You're intellectualizing an emotional problem that stems from somewhere more personal in your life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 00:01:56 2015 No.6213256 >abooboo you're just feeling sad, eat some pills :< Welcome to /lit/ But seriously, read The Conspiracy Against the Human Race

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 00:08:22 2015 No.6213273 >>6213256 >read The Conspiracy Against the Human Race Great book, and I'm glad I read it, but I can't exactly say it made things better. If anything it might have made things worse.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 00:10:11 2015 No.6213280 >>6211987 Go out and do things. You cannot think yourself out of an existential funk, you can only work out of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 00:11:04 2015 No.6213286 >>6213280 This. Get a job and move out OP

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 00:11:30 2015 No.6213292 >>6211987 You don't. Enjoy the ride :3c

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 00:14:16 2015 No.6213300 >>6212350 I did that when i was depressed. Riding for life.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 00:19:10 2015 No.6213317

What I find fantastically agitating is that I cannot with absolute certainty determine whether an event is sheer coencidence/chance or has a pourpose, a meaning, some thing that was meant to be. Take for example the situation I am in currently. I've never suffered from existential depression, ever, until just recently, just tonight in fact due to the objections to my theistic world view. I've struggled between nihilism(the undeniable conclusion if you accept atheism) and theism. Having my theistic views and footing taken out from under me I feel hopeless, I feel existentially depressed, and have ben for hours leading up until now. BUT WHAT A COINCIDENCE! that tonight of all nights, the night I log into 4chan of all places, and visit the /lit/ board which i have never visited prior, that I would find a thread dealing with existential depression. I am uphauld and inclined to believe that this was not an act of chance, that this moment was Meant to be, this moment has importance, this thread has true meaning to my life(as silly as that may sound), that something transcendent is trying to make me realize something. But struck down and in denial at the same time that this could have Ben completely due to chance, the variables or so great and the chances are so low that for it to be true this was a coencidence is so irrational to accept. Yet here I am stuck in a position of confusion, agitation, and hopelessness. What can I do to make my self accept one of the two possibilities? That either the things we witness that seem like they have importance are just fantastical shows of sheer accident. Or the consistent and layerd amount of seemingly accidents are important, they are means used by something transcendent to communicate with us subjective beings. Please /lit/ elaborate

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 00:23:55 2015 No.6213332

>>6213317
No events were ever meant to be. You happened to click on the literature board, read a thread about theism, and convinced yourself that this chain of events was meant to happen, because it comforts you in some way.

I think you should consider carefully what you are actually feeling when you say you are suffering from "existential depression".

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 01:11:45 2015 No.6213476 >>6211987 Become religious/spiritual.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 01:12:21 2015 No.6213480 >>6211987 Graduate high school

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 01:13:26 2015 No.6213481 >>6211987 Love something more than yourself

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 01:15:09 2015 No.6213486 >>6213317 sometimes people find things that correlate to other things. There's a lot of things and sometimes they're similar.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 01:19:19 2015 No.6213496 https://vimeo.com/104193227

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 01:21:55 2015 No.6213502

>>6212374
>>6212435
man in a Meaningless world, creates his own meaning.
In a way, this Meaning that we create for ourselves can create great despair if what in reality contradicts our meaning.
But we have a radical freedom to change our own meaning. A prison is only a cage if you make it one.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 01:25:11 2015 No.6213509

why are fuckers always trying to 'get over' feeling bad

you're finally having an accurate response to your situation and the first thing you think of doing is putting the blinders back on

you're weak, and you'll never join me in the ranks of the great empaths of our epoch

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>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 01:29:40 2015 No.6213529 >>6213509 Who the hell does this faggot think he is?

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 01:32:56 2015 No.6213540

>>6213509
I actually agree with this. So many threads on /lit/ dedicated to 'getting over' existential horror. It's like you finally see things as they are so you freak the fuck out and want to 'go back', per se, instead of bearing witness or dying a martyr.

He's right, humans are unflinchingly weak.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Mon Mar 2 01:46:55 2015 No.6213567 File: 369 KB, 1280x885, pipi-saltrakan_ab_ab_svensk_filmindustrie.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6213502 Which is what I got from The Stranger. >>6213540 I prefer it. I want more life, in fact. >>6213523 It's a trilby.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 01:47:43 2015 No.6213572 activate the pineal gland

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 01:49:38 2015 No.6213575 >>6213567 >I prefer it. >I want more life, in fact. That's only because you're not intelligent enough to understand it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 01:53:31 2015 No.6213583 >>6213572 Fantastic delusions are still delusions.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 01:54:31 2015 No.6213587

I fear I will one day inevitably kill myself out of existential depression. I'm not convinced of it, it's not set in stone that I will do this, it's just a lingering sense that my end will come with suicide, no matter how much I manage to raise myself from it. No matter how deep I go. No matter how strongly I connect to the planet around me. I will falter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:00:42 2015 No.6213599 >>6213587 Suicide is a top-tier death. Only the true master of his own will can achieve it.

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Mon Mar 2 02:07:47 2015 No.6213607

>>6213583
I realize more than you give me credit for. Your bent is just wrong-headed.

I faced my first crisis some years ago, my personal death hit me, but I bounced back with an improved perspective on life. Recently I got hit with a second crisis. This was my having to face the idea that I'd see the death of my own species. I might miss it, but I may very well see an early death due to it.
So what else is new. I grew up in the shadow of nuclear war in an apocalyptic Christian household. I bounced back. My mission in life is a doomed one. But my head is right. It's a doomed mission because all the wrong-headed people like yourself. Our doom is a self fulfilling prophecy. I shed a tear for you all, but it's with a knowing smile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPdBfBq-gkA

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Mon Mar 2 02:10:05 2015 No.6213612 >>6213599 Skydiving on acid at age 110

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:11:29 2015 No.6213617 >>6213612 "once more round the hamster wheel!" no thanks, gimme a tight rope and a short rope

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:13:36 2015 No.6213624 >>6213607 >the end of life >a bad thing KEKING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK. HELLO LITTLE DNA MOLECULE, HOW ARE YOU ENJOYING CONTROLLING YOUR PUPPET?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:13:50 2015 No.6213625 >>6212385 don't do that.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Mon Mar 2 02:18:39 2015 No.6213639 >>6213624 Oh I want an end to my life. Eternity sounds horrifying. I just want more than this. Which is why I try to take in all the arts and history I can. Why i read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:21:44 2015 No.6213643 >>6213625 le defense against change face

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:23:34 2015 No.6213645

>>6213639
do you ever look outside your window and see a spider liquefying the insides of a bug while it's alive then sucking them out of gaping holes in its exoskeleton and think about how that's been happening for longer than you can comprehend and the amount of suffering in the universe temporarily overwhelms you and it feels like your brain is being dipped in acid and then your biological defense mechanisms kick in and tell you it's all good now go cum in a vagina? but all you can think about is the spiders and the tapeworms and the 10th floor is starting to look mighty friendly?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:26:04 2015 No.6213654 >>6213645 you sound like the type of person who tells people about his triggers

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:27:50 2015 No.6213657

>>6213643
>medicine can help dealing with existential issues
It can't. It will only make you sleep, fat, or it will make you sick for real. I wasn't clinically depressed (bipolar) before taking some.
>therapy isn't a fraud at all
They only want you to sit on their couch every week. The purpose of a psychanalyst isn't to help you, but to make you feel like you have problems that require you come back to him/her. The only effective therapy is self-analyzing paranoia to the point where you analyze your own conscience and what words it uses, when, to dismantle it so you can be free. This is one of the points of psychedelics : making your conscience silent and weak, because you throw up if you keep listening to this bitch.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:29:01 2015 No.6213659 >>6213654 you sound like a monosyllabic mouth-breather who is on the wrong board

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:29:09 2015 No.6213661 >>6213639 >Eternity sounds horrifying. Why?

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:30:03 2015 No.6213664

You are an appendage to your germplasm. Every one of us is a slave to our genes. If any kind of moral or emotional appeal can be made on the basis of common decency and empathy, it is this: don't have children. Those of you who have been to the bottom and back, or are maybe still there, know the depths of the human condition. Choosing to bring someone else into existence without having consulted said person is perhaps one of the most immoral things you can do. So the only recourse is to have enough respect for your children to not have them in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:33:01 2015 No.6213674 >>6211987 roll dubs

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:33:15 2015 No.6213676 >>6213657 this guy knows what's up. my parents are trying to get me to take meds while i try and get them to read zapffe. there's so much distance between us, i think it's irreparable >tfw plebeian happy parents

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Mon Mar 2 02:34:05 2015 No.6213677

>>6213645
>...a spider liquefying the insides of a bug while it's alive then sucking them out of gaping holes in its exoskeleton and think about how that's been happening for longer than you can comprehend...
I can comprehend that, yes. And I eat meat too.
It's a game of give and take. Much suffering. We could have done better, but there are those wrong-headed folks who think the status quo is so great they'll defend it to the death and lie to all of us and themselves.
Changing it, fixing it, is my mission. Why skip out early on this fabulous adventure?

...Do you have kids?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:34:22 2015 No.6213678 >>6213639 answer me >>6213645 what are you doing that makes that one bugs death worthwhile, let alone the millenia of death that stretches out before our arrival

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:36:03 2015 No.6213684 >>6213676 Keep in mind they want you to take some because they're worried about you and probably don't know what to do to help you. But meds have more chances to take you away from them (both mentally and physically) than anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:36:08 2015 No.6213685 >>6213567 I know it's called a trilby. I'm using the campus library computer, so I don't have my folder of reaction images. I just downloaded the gif when I posted it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:38:20 2015 No.6213692 >>6213684 oh i definitely know what their intention is, it's just trying to explain that i don't feel the way i feel for no good reason is difficult because they do not read and aren't versed in philosophy. they think people who feel sad have a disease.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:39:21 2015 No.6213698 >>6213677 you're deluded. it can't be fixed. it can only be stopped. read zapffe

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:40:27 2015 No.6213704 >>6213692 What are you gonna do?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:40:56 2015 No.6213709 >>6213704 kill myself in the next year or so

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Mon Mar 2 02:41:44 2015 No.6213710

>>6213661
Where's your head at?

Imagine you are immortal. You see all your friends and family die. Further, you see your species die off. You wander around the global catastrophe, name the roaches you befriend. In your madness you try to make paper so you can write that novel... Carve out a home someplace. Then the meteor hits. You get caught in some lava, eventually dig your way out. Try to drown yourself a few times, but you're always washing up on shore. FINALLY the sun goes nova. Death, you say, bring it on. But no. You end up spinning around in the cold vacuum. Forever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:42:36 2015 No.6213713 the solution is buddhism No, i'm not kidding

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:42:44 2015 No.6213714 >>6213709 but that's selfish is there anything that can't let you live?

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:47:40 2015 No.6213734

>>6213714
is it? they brought me here without asking me, is it wrong that i leave without asking them? why should i suffer for indeterminate years on their behalf? everyone has an inalienable right to their own life

and no, there is nothing that exists or could possibly exist that would make me ok with being here. we as a species are doing nothing and will continue to do nothing until we die out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:48:55 2015 No.6213739 >>6213710 I, the idle deity in the eternal wait, would be still of want a minute more 'till departure all, than to be cursed with mortality's flash.

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Mon Mar 2 02:49:06 2015 No.6213740

>>6213698
I'm not actually. I did mention it's a doomed mission. And that's sad
But you're delusional. You don't need to stop it. Death comes to us anyway, individual and species wide. But like any parent I wanted them to live on, just a bit more. Just colonize the solar system at least. It could have happened.

>>6213692
>they think people who feel sad have a disease
It's definitely wrong-headed. Chemically and philosophically. I wish I could help.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:51:30 2015 No.6213751 >>6213317 You're probably the messiah.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:51:30 2015 No.6213752 >>6213740 >Death comes to us anyway, individual and species wide. Hello 20th century.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:52:18 2015 No.6213756

>>6213740
>Just colonize the solar system at least.

why? what's the point

in all honesty i don't think you know what suffering really is. you seem like an outsider looking in on suffering as opposed to someone who has actually been there in the thick of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:53:12 2015 No.6213757 >>6213714 >killing yourself is selfish There's nothing more selfish than forcing someone to stick around who truly doesn't want to. Nobody asked to be here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:53:48 2015 No.6213758 >>6213734 it's only a matter of point of view.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:54:14 2015 No.6213760 >>6213740 haha it's genuinely depressing to see someone caught in the throes of their programming like this. you'd go on suffering forever if the universe would let you. you're a broken machine.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:57:33 2015 No.6213766

>>6213756
>in all honesty i don't think you know what suffering really is. you seem like an outsider looking in on suffering as opposed to someone who has actually been there in the thick of it.

Of course she doesn't know what true suffering is because she's never experienced it. She's

1) a female
2) a tripfag
3) and a pseudo-intellectual

whoring for attention on an online Cambodian photo bazaar. The worst day of her life was probably when that jackass at Starbucks made her McMochafrappacino incorrectly.

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Mon Mar 2 02:58:27 2015 No.6213768

>>6213756
I was going to go on about living in that better anarchistic world, but cut it short.
Why do you bring up a "point" with me? Why do the grandparents want the grand kids to go to college etc. I love you all, damnit.

>>6213757
I wouldn't force anyone in either direction, but don't use that bullshit line "I didn't ask to be born"

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 02:59:04 2015 No.6213769 >>6213757 If he has 2 living parents then the odds are against him, killing himself will ruin 2 lives, while continuing to live only ruins 1. If he only has 1 parent, it's even, and he should be allowed to kill himself.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Mon Mar 2 03:00:37 2015 No.6213771 >>6213760 Said the broken machine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:02:11 2015 No.6213773 You do that. You get past it. Just get over it who cares like really who gives a shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:02:21 2015 No.6213774 [ >>6213760 Said the broken machine. ]

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:02:34 2015 No.6213775

>>6213768
Elaborate why it's bullshit.

>>6213769
My whole point was that no parent truly cares about their children just by virtue of the fact that they became parents. If people took a moment to consider the feelings of other people, perhaps they wouldn't jump into parenthood so readily. People don't have children for the sake of the child, they have them because they want to see a little version of them running around and it gives them an ego boost to look at what they made. There is of course an evolutionary reason for this and all you're doing is romanticizing your biological programming, much like the delusional tripfaggot upthread.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:03:04 2015 No.6213778

>>6213768
i ask for a point because in order to achieve your goal of colonising the solar system an extraordinary amount of suffering is going to have to take place, so you at least better have a good reason. but you don't, because you can't. there is no reason for any of us to be here doing anything. there is a very good reason for us to stop.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:05:19 2015 No.6213784 >>6213768 and furthermore, you don't love anything. you have no idea what love is. if you did we wouldn't even be having this conversation

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:09:44 2015 No.6213789 >>6213773 I care

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:10:23 2015 No.6213790 >>6213784 >and furthermore, your parents don't love you. you've never been loved by your parents so you have no idea. if your parents did love you we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Mon Mar 2 03:13:05 2015 No.6213800

>>6213775
It's true people bring children into the world for selfish reasons, and often in hard times. They do it for various reasons, but you do not exist till after a certain point. and even then its not fully formed. How are they to know you'll have a chemical imbalance?

>>6213778
>>6213784
So now space exploration means suffering, and love is only known to those who want mass extinction. You are not clued in, anon. You are running on fumes and putting yourself in a world of hurt. I really wish I could send the feelings I have for you to try on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:14:41 2015 No.6213802 >>6213790 no parents love their children, if they did their children wouldn't exist

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:16:38 2015 No.6213805 >>6213800 >How are they to know you'll have a chemical imbalance? They don't, which is why they should think long and hard before potentially dooming someone to a hopeless existence. Any decent human being would have the self-control to opt out.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:16:40 2015 No.6213806

>How are they to know you'll have a chemical imbalance?

>there's a 'correct' state of chemical balance in the brain

fuck, you're stupid

>>6213800
>So now space exploration means suffering

yes. how could you possibly not know this? anything we do will involve suffering.

>and love is only known to those who want mass extinction

correct

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:17:55 2015 No.6213809 Why are you spastic faggots having a conversation with butters, she's legitimately out of her mind

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:19:20 2015 No.6213811

>>6213805
And even more despicable is when people like the anon upthread accuse you of being selfish for considering suicide because god forbid you cause the two people who brought you here without your consent a little bit of emotional trauma before they eventually forget about you - and the immense pain that caused you to do such a thing - and get on with their lives.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:20:38 2015 No.6213813

>>6213800
>You are running on fumes

Don't know about the other guy but I have an inordinate amount of drive now that I see things as they are. I do way more to prevent suffering than I used to. You don't know why you want to colonise the fucking solar system, you don't even know why you are alive. You're just doing stuff because you're here, it's pathetic. You'll come around, though. The only difference between optimists and pessimists is time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:26:56 2015 No.6213821 >>6211987 You're just bored

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:27:50 2015 No.6213825

>>6213778
the key is to stop caring about other people's suffering, and just focus on making yourself feel good

these ideas wont matter to yyou, for example if you are nodding on opiates

really, why care about others and their suffering? it is not your problem

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:29:35 2015 No.6213828 >>6213825 that's what everyone is doing already, that's why the world is a terrible place. we are trying to cure it. i don't mind having a life of suffering if I can save others from the same

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:30:02 2015 No.6213830 >>6213821 Probably just this. Too much time to think might lead to existential depression.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:30:19 2015 No.6213832 >>6211987 > tfw no gf > mebbe I should commit le suicide Do it, faggit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:30:50 2015 No.6213833 >>6213830 >Too much time to think might lead to existential depression. lol what does that say about being happy

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:31:50 2015 No.6213835 >>6213832 back to /b/, pal

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:32:08 2015 No.6213837 >>6213833 Thinking isn't inherently good, therefore do whatever pleases you best

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:32:42 2015 No.6213838 >>6213480 kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:32:55 2015 No.6213839 >>6213837 pleasing yourself isn't inherently good

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Mon Mar 2 03:33:48 2015 No.6213842

>>6213802
And you lecture on love.
>>6213806
You're deranged. Go and die already.

>>6213813
>You'll come around, though. The only difference between optimists and pessimists is time.
You've never heard "why does one climb a mountain?: Because it's there"?
You're thinking of death way too early in life. Go strive for nirvana or something. I swear all you are some weak willed Christian fools.

>>6213825
Oddly enough, I care. I just have to accept their deaths.
The poverty they live through I want fixed, but these deranged people don't want to lift a finger to help. "Oh it's impossible! Its too hard! It wont work! I can't" Weak. Weak excuses.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Mon Mar 2 03:35:00 2015 No.6213844 >>6213839 Epicurus, m80

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:35:08 2015 No.6213845 File: 58 KB, 636x674, smug stirner.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6213839 You're right, but in a world where nothing is inherently good or bad why do anything other than what you perceive to be good?

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:35:27 2015 No.6213846

>>6212037
that's because you are not currently having a valuable experience

so find a way to make your present experience valuable and worthwhile. eg, druhs, sex, music, could be anything you enjoy doing. putting your attention on your negative thoughts isn't a valuable experience, so either create positive thoughts (imagine a happy scenario and put your attention on that) or find something in your sensory experience tat feels good, and yo don't want it to go away, and put your attention/awareness on that. you are currently creating negative thought experiences and focusing your attention on them, which will make your experience seem like you want it to go away, but you mus realizing that YOU ARE IN CONTROL OF THESE THOUGHTS AND IN ACTUAL FACT YOU ARE ALWAYS ALREADY 'WILLING' THEIR CREATION. So create positive thought experiences, or find something in your sensory experience that's worthwhile, and shift your awareness from your negative thoughts, onto that. so now your experience will be valable

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:36:50 2015 No.6213849 >>6213845 because i'll torture your ass 2 death if you don't stop making people suffer

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:38:33 2015 No.6213853 >>6213842 'haha, you're fuckin insane butters, you crazy slut" "NO UUUU! YOU'RE ALL DERANGED LEL DEATH TO ALL HUMANS, BUILD SPACESHIPS FROM THEIR BONES JUST CAUSE LOLOOOL"

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Mon Mar 2 03:38:56 2015 No.6213856 >>6213845 What he perceives to be good is depressing people online in hopes of getting them to commit suicide. >>6213849 English, please.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Mon Mar 2 03:40:03 2015 No.6213859 >>6213853 You're losing it. Maybe you need sleep.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:42:42 2015 No.6213863

>>6213856
you know, for a stirnerist your mind is 100% enveloped in sp00ks. it's quite interesting. i can't even count the number of naturalist fallacies and argumentum ad populums you've made in this thread. your arguments more or less boil down to "hey look at this social norm anon isn't cohering too lol"

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:48:58 2015 No.6213876

>>6213856
>What he perceives to be good is depressing people online in hopes of getting them to commit suicide.

You're really getting indignant about that after you literally just told someone to "Go and die already" not ten posts ago? Your Cluster B female hysteria is boring and played out.

Instead of trying to understand the suffering of others you'd rather enforce your worldview onto them. This idea that you are entitled to make other people's choices for them - complete and utter disregard for anyone's feelings but your own - is why we are all here right now debating the merits of suicide instead of happily never having been born. On top of that you would call them cowards for considering another option, albeit a final one. You don't care about anyone but yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 03:52:54 2015 No.6213883 >>6213317 that's not existential depression >a couple hours of abloo bloo god might not exist and also coincedences therefore transcendent being is sending you messages sounds more like the symptoms of schitzophrenia to me

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Mon Mar 2 03:58:12 2015 No.6213890

>>6213863
I live as I do because it pleases me.

>>6213876
>Instead of trying to understand the suffering of others
He's (you?) has made it pretty fucking clear. There's a brick wall of self impotence erected there and no one is allowed to talk him out of it. Is he for real even? Is it just a troll? It's sad in either case, and I can do nothing. My example does worse than nothing. It offends his ego that I should live happily yet in knowing of all the shit the world continues in.

>This idea that you are entitled to make other people's choices for them
Now you're making shit up.
>You don't care about anyone but yourself.
Why didn't you thank me for telling you to go and die?

Go and sleep.
/thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 04:00:09 2015 No.6213892 >>6213863 >implying a Stirnerist has to appeal to egoism in all arguments Why would a Stirernist be spooked from appeal-to-spook just because they don't personally believe in them?

>>	None !!lZetafI6z8s Mon Mar 2 04:03:12 2015 No.6213895 shit thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 04:14:49 2015 No.6213914 >>6213890 you really are fuckin' dumb

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 04:17:20 2015 No.6213920

>>6213828
saving others from suffering makes you feel good

like I said, why care about suffering that you do not experience? why is there somehow a connection between others suffering and then *therefore* it must be prevented

there is no necessary cinnection between the two.

others suffer immensly, but this does not bother me, I have my own sffering to deal with, and other people/the world is not my responsibility. I'm free to do what I want

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 04:19:54 2015 No.6213927 become aware that life is nothing over and above what you are experiencing

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 04:36:23 2015 No.6213964 >>6213920 this is why i'm killing myself. have fun living in a world with things like this person

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 04:49:13 2015 No.6214005 >>6213713 This is one of the few reasonable answers here. Instead of wallowing in self pity like most the people here it's probably best you do what this guy says.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 04:55:16 2015 No.6214022

>>6213645
I had a similar experience but a completely different reaction. It was 4am in the morning and my friend and I are drinking a couple of lazy coronas as we're talking about life, coming down from a very long LSD trip. and I take him to my garage to show him my pet praying mantis, only to notice that its hollowed carcass was lying on the floor of the bug catcher and the crickets that were its food were crawling around over it like it didnt exist.

What I took from it was a very visceral understanding of social Darwinism. The strong live and the weak die, but the crickets found a way to become the new strong, and so the once proud mantis, king of the insects was nothing but a fucking carpet for these lowly crickets...

So man, fuck being a pussy ass bitch, take responsibility for yourself... You can't change the hand you're dealt with, but you can sure as hell play your cards the best you can.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 04:57:20 2015 No.6214029 >>6214005 there's like 10 individual people espousing buddhist principles ITT then the rest saying the world is sunshine and rainbows. learn how to fucking read faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:00:18 2015 No.6214041 >>6214022 stick your naturalist fallacy up your urethra you mongoloid. i hope someone eats you alive

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:01:56 2015 No.6214047 >>6214022 >/b/-tier platitudes draped in pseudo-machoism 'man up bruh' ideology >keeps a praying mantis as a pet literally kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:02:54 2015 No.6214050 >>6211987 smite your spooks

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:04:54 2015 No.6214053 >>6214022 Why are there people this retarded on my /lit/?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:06:46 2015 No.6214054 >>6213895 Guess which post was mine, Hallica :3

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:08:42 2015 No.6214058 either do whatever the fuck you want, as in fuck girls and do drugs and sings songs. anything that makes you feel. or devote your life to science, if mere joy is below you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:10:04 2015 No.6214060 >>6214058 >science lmao. i meant to say philosophy, OP

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:13:49 2015 No.6214062

>>6214047
>literally kill yourself
I wont, because I dont want to, if you would like to feel free.
>>6214041
oh, now the truth is a fallacy for some reason? Is "the strong live and the weak die" not correct? Are we to sit there and constantly mollycoddle people who literally CREATE problems in their own minds because they think too much and live too little? Being brooding and ruminating doesn't make you smart, it makes you insufferable.

>>6214053
Excellent come back, my man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:18:24 2015 No.6214076 >>6214062 go to back to /b/ lol you're out of your depth here my child

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:19:47 2015 No.6214078 >>6214062 >all these spooks You're a cutie. Tell about your life, who you are and what you believe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:21:34 2015 No.6214085 >>6214062 >the truth you've got to be kidding me lmao. what board did you migrate from?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:23:29 2015 No.6214097 >>6214062 >Is "the strong live and the weak die" not correct? No. Unless you define strength as ignorance and weakness as intellectual honesty.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:30:43 2015 No.6214117 >>6212435 >ideology ftfy

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:31:57 2015 No.6214120 >>6211987 Read Hegel you absolute troglodyte. And don't read him thinking he's going to cure your weakness, when you can understand him you'll stop being stupid enough to say shit like this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:36:39 2015 No.6214126 Hi existential crisis people Quick question, is this correct usage of semi colon? Give it a try; you might enjoy it! Thanks

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:39:04 2015 No.6214136 >>6214126 there is no correct usage welcome to post-modernism faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:40:28 2015 No.6214138 do what you like and like what you do

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:47:27 2015 No.6214155 >>6211987 Do you have any love, hates or passions? Do you derive enjoyment from anything? If you answer no to all then that is true existential-nihilistic depression. If there is a yes then you can derive meaning out of those things if you try.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:51:05 2015 No.6214159 >>6213713 I agree. It is quite a well established end point for existential despair in the West, I dont know why this does not get pointed out more often. Just look at hermann Hesse's writings.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:52:14 2015 No.6214162

>>6214076
>>6214085
haha, yes! Being condescending without offering an actual response, my absolute favourite kind of discussion!

>>6214097
What you define as "intellectual honesty" is what I was referring to as those who create problems that aren't there by ruminating due to their lack of actually living and try to feel enlightened and intelligent simply to cover the fact that their supposed depth and critical insight is really just a front for their toxic life philosophy born from leading mediocre existences that never exist outside of their comfort zone.

>>6214078
I believe life has no meaning. This is not a bad or a good thing, its just a thing. No matter how you try and intellectualize or rationalize your beliefs, positive or negative they are still just stories that you tell yourself. All humans will weave themselves fiction of some degree, because there is no delusion or truth, ergo existnetial depression is illogical and inefficient, though I understand in the same way some people can't have a beer without having 20, some people can't think about this heavy stuff without being brought down by it. These are those that I define as weak, those doomed by their own inferior inner working mechanisms. They aren't sensitive or heroes, they aren't enlightened, they are merely delusional fools in the worst way. Give me a 'dumb' person with a zeal for life than some hopeless "intellectual" that is really just addicted to introspection.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 05:59:50 2015 No.6214174 >>6214162 dude, seriously, go back to /b/ people with your severely malnourished intellect. you are not welcome among the patricians of /lit/. i can tell by your tenuous grasp of the language that you do not even read

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:01:38 2015 No.6214180 >>6214174 Just because English is my second language doesn't weaken the content of my argument. You can be as eloquent as you want but I haven't heard you or anyone attempt to argue with me with any sense of substance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:02:59 2015 No.6214185 >>6214162 8/10 trolling, you'll get many bites. i love the sardonic way you captured the essence of an anti-intellectual retard fumbling his way through a philosophical discussion, akin to a blind man navigating a maze

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:04:04 2015 No.6214189 >>6214180 Don't even bother man

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:04:07 2015 No.6214190

>>6214162
>What you define as "intellectual honesty" is what I was referring to as those who create problems that aren't there by ruminating due to their lack of actually living and try to feel enlightened and intelligent simply to cover the fact that their supposed depth and critical insight is really just a front for their toxic life philosophy born from leading mediocre existences that never exist outside of their comfort zone.

>this borderline insane level of projection

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:05:40 2015 No.6214194 >>6214185 >akin Wanker.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:21:47 2015 No.6214219

>>6214180
>Just because English is my second language doesn't weaken the content of my argument.

Sure it does. When you can't accurately convey your point it weakens your argument. Your whole post is a fucking mess. An amalgamation of various pre-programmed, embittered responses to what I can only assume are ideologies with which you've had trouble acclimating in the past.

>What you define as "intellectual honesty" is what I was referring to as those who create problems that aren't there

You need to clarify what you mean here. If someone's value system clashes with their perception of reality that is a problem; it's not synthetic, they aren't lying- there is a divide between their ideals and the world. This same divide is what is causing you to argue against these people now, the divide between your values and theirs.

>their lack of actually living

What is 'actual living'? Arbitrary things that you label authentic or useful? I'm afraid you need to be much clearer with your terms or it's impossible to respond. The rest of this sentence runs on with various ad hom accusations regarding the motivation behind supporting an ideology rather than any attempt to address the ideology itself (which I am convinced you do not understand fully or perhaps even partially).

>I believe life has no meaning. This is not a bad or a good thing, its just a thing.

That's fine, few here would argue for an objective meaning to life. People are putting forward their subjective interpretations of life and defending them with reason.

>because there is no delusion or truth

You contradict yourself in two ways here: firstly arguing for an 'incorrect' way to interpret reality and secondly by claiming those you are denigrating are, in fact 'delusional fools'.

>give me a 'dumb' person with a zeal for life than some hopeless "intellectual" that is really just addicted to introspection.

Finally, we arrive at the reason you're in this discussion: you are attempting to defend your feelings of life as a positive in the face of those would reject this interpretation from a moral standing.

The fact that you're genuinely preaching against introspection alone is enough for me to doubt the sincerity of your beliefs. You willingly admit to be ignorant about the basis of your own beliefs while simultaneously deriding those who have searched themselves and their value system for a cohesive and agreeable way to look at existence. In short, you shoot yourself in the foot yet again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:29:40 2015 No.6214237 >>6214219 Aspie detected. And op, to cure existential depression, quit viewing yourself as some highly gifted person suffering from their highly seld aware self.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:31:56 2015 No.6214247

>>6214237
lol did you really think we wouldn't know it was you posting with your unique brand of butchered english? i am not surprised your only response to a thorough and precise accord of your idiocy is an insult. your beliefs are fuckin' shallow, matey. do some introspection some time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:36:35 2015 No.6214258 >>6214247 huh? I think you have me mistaken for someone else. I'm just some other idiot to lazy to spellcheck who cringes at your comments. /lit/ really is filled with some of the most delusional psuedo intelects on 4chan

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:37:02 2015 No.6214260

>mfw this thread

Eh, you can't really discuss depression online, no matter the community. The funny(yet obviously tragic) paradox of that phenomenon is that everyone feels so wounded by having been depressed before that they become offensive towards the subject and everyone mentioning it due to so much fear and anxiety regarding it

Maybe half a percent of people out there that got/are getting past their depression can say anything constructive about it without losing their mind and suddenly getting all miserably ignited inside, and therefore offensive on the outside

Not like I'm in that 0.5% OP, I'm already in this weird state when thinking about it and in 15 mins from now I'd probably be writing bitter nonsense down

So yeah, godspeed. You can do it though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:37:57 2015 No.6214262 >>6214247 And feel free to correct my spelling and grammar if makes you feel better

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:45:35 2015 No.6214282

>>6214155
See that's the slippery slope. What happens when you start resenting your joys because you can't find any worth in them, or anything?

I like life, but can't think of a reason I should.

Consciousness was a mistake. It prospered as it allowed better problem solving, but existence doesn't have a solution.

That or I was born to early in the evolutionary/technological piece. Imagine a day where a meaning or way to transcend physicality is found, if even it will be. That is what I will be thinking on my deathbed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:46:35 2015 No.6214284 >>6214258 >I think you have me mistaken for someone else No lol you're the retarded faggot who can't think, write or defend his spastic beliefs >>>/b/

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:48:58 2015 No.6214287 >>6214260 >all this projection I don't know what pleb circles you operate in but pessimistic outlooks are as patrician as it gets and nobody I have ever met in real life was 'offended' to be identified as someone who saw life as a bad thing read more

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:50:37 2015 No.6214290 >>6211987 inject copious amounts of weed almost every day

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 06:55:12 2015 No.6214302 >>6214287 >pleb >patrician >identified >read more >all this projecting and misinterpretation like, what b8 score did you expect to receive? don't say you hoped for more than 3.5/10

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:00:31 2015 No.6214316

>>6214237
>>6214247
This is not me, I would never disrespect somebody who would give me a decent answer in this way.

>>6214219
>Sure it does. When you can't accurately convey your point it weakens your argument. Your whole post is a fucking mess. An amalgamation of various pre-programmed, embittered responses to what I can only assume are ideologies with which you've had trouble acclimating in the past.
Ok point taken, if it is a communication error then I can only strive to improve my english in the future. Reviewing my post though, I can very well see how I have misrepresented myself.

I think instead of refuting your points which if I may be humble are mostly valid, I would like to re-iterate myself, since i feel that anger has coloured my opinions in a way that I feel significantly detracts from them. I am not anti-introspection, but I liken 'experience' and 'introspection' to the digestion process, ('eating' and 'digesting' respectively) While I believe that a glutton who only eats and does not appreciate his food misses a life that can be potentially more fulfilling due to appreciating it with more depth. On the other hand, it is one who introspects too much without "eating" and trying new things to increase his pool of experience who often falls into the trap of existential depression due to excessive rumination that lacks the necessary positive stimuli to naturally bring one to a positive mindset regarding life. At this point, I'd like to make a special exception for those whose depression is cause by chemical imbalance and thus the source of the mindset as opposed to their mindsets being the source of their depression.

I also find that people who think pessimism implies mindfulness and intellectual-status tend to be pretentious in the most real sense of the word. Since I believe that life is inherently neutral, I don't see why one would resign themselves to a defeatist philosophy without trying to justify an easier and more comfortable (albeit far less satisfying) life.

I don't encourage ignorance by any means, but I believe that when it comes to such philosophical and subjective territory, then one's beliefs are essentially constructed fiction. It makes no sense to weave negative fiction, when they could make it positive, especially when either side is both valid/invalid due to inability to objectively prove these worldviews to any reasonable degree.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 07:55:28 2015 No.6214451

>>6211987
Life has no meaning and it shouldn't have one. Stop looking for it. What you should do is to see the world as rightly as you can. There's a lot of awful stuff, but there's also some nice (e.g. woman, or man, whatever you prefer). Just get outside, meet someone new.

I notice that a lot of times suicidal thoughts appear when I get to much of myself. When I'm thinking that everything is about me. At those times I try to remember that I'm here not only to receive pleasure but also to give. Go visit someone from your family, talk to them, learn something about them. Get outside of yourself.

I guess you already thought about it and decided that this is a sentimental bullshit and it won't help. But think about what's stopping you from even trying.

That's that. In the end, I don't know anything about you OP, so I just tried to give advise to myself, if I was in situation like you.

(Sorry for my bad english)

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 08:43:07 2015 No.6214582 >>6214451 >There's a lot of awful stuff, but there's also some nice I fucking hate this viewpoint

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 08:47:40 2015 No.6214598

I've discovered the ULTIMATE way to live life.

I redpilled myself with nihilism long ago, BUT I maintain a steady routine of saturating my senses (such as exercising to release endorphins) to take my mind off it most of the time. I get the satisfaction of knowing the truth about existence, while not being a suicidal and debilitated NEET.

It's awesome bros.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 08:54:58 2015 No.6214616 >>6211994 >wasting your coke by smoking the hcl

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 08:57:00 2015 No.6214619 >>6213183 Best post on this board.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 09:06:48 2015 No.6214629 The Price Of Existence Is Eternal Warfare. If you want to be a dog, ill treat like you like a dog.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 09:15:12 2015 No.6214642 >>6213219 This doesn't make sense. You can't change reality by thought.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 09:41:48 2015 No.6214709 File: 1.05 MB, 1844x1230, 1372570567647.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You'll get through it

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 09:52:56 2015 No.6214736 >>6213317 You are the chosen one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 09:57:34 2015 No.6214753 File: 36 KB, 607x608, Hyde.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Make an enemy. Join a group that hates them. Sports, politics, fandoms, a clique at work or school. Doesn't matter. Hatred dissolves all worries.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 10:54:09 2015 No.6214938 >>6214582 >I fucking hate this viewpoint Why so m8?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 10:56:55 2015 No.6214952 >>6212108 Why is Proust cutting Karl Childers' hair?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 10:59:40 2015 No.6214965 >>6214952 >Proust It's very obviously Assad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 11:12:06 2015 No.6214998 Shift your focus from how little you matter to how little your problems matter by virtue of being your problems. It's a matter of perspective.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 11:19:54 2015 No.6215035

>>6214998
Personally I don't find that to be particularly helpful because one of the biggest problems it feels like I'm wrestling with in regards to this is feeling like I'm shut out from something. True your problems don't matter because ultimately you don't matter but that doesn't magically remove your problems. They're still there, and at the end of the day you're still stuck with them while still having to face the fact that you don't really matter. It's like knocking someone's ice cream cone out of their hands and then socking them in the face for good measure.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 13:14:31 2015 No.6215444

>>6213317

Lolz. As a fellow theist, I can say that all things happen for a reason. God is everything.

The transcendent is not a separate entity, and no you're not 'special' that 'he' communicates with you. It is the hangover of the religious dogma of the time it was created-- of God as the master and the human as the slave. It is easy to fall into this trap of thinking, and this is why I think a lot of people today lean towards an atheist worldview.

However, the paradox is that one has to SURRENDER to life in order to transcend it. Really, as a 'mere' human there is nothing we can do to-- for example to change the temperature of the sun, or to visit to another galaxy (at least in our lifetime). In a cosmic scale we are just, very tiny conscious creatures. Once we acquiescence this fact, we let go of our search for meaning in the PAST (liberal arts) and FUTURE (technology) and appreciate the TRUTH which is THE PRESENT. Once we accept our limited capability, we find that the universe opens up to us in ways we could have never realized holding on to an egocentric mindset.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 13:25:56 2015 No.6215478 >>6211987 Concern yourself with purely artistic and aesthetic endeavors in order to attain an authentic Being.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 13:32:24 2015 No.6215493 >>6213219 Hahaha this guy has a decent point

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 13:45:07 2015 No.6215517

>>6213587
I know exactly what your talking about man, and what I have to say is that philosphy did not end with Nietzche, and your world view will not end with Nihilism. Its a phase most everyone goes through at some point in there lives, and though life will never quite be the same, it wont all be downhill from here. Life is meaningless and purposeless, but meaning is ultimately a meaningless word. Youre here, and the ideas of that being a "good" or "bad" this are conpletely irrelevant at this point. If existence has no meaning, why is any less preferable to not existing? You'll be dead eventually, theres no reason to race there. Enjoy the road while your driving down it.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 13:47:34 2015 No.6215520

>>6215444
>God as the master and the human as the slave
You don't understand what that means. (Because slavery hasn't existed for a 150 years and the social context of that institution is now lost.)

The gist of that idea is the complete opposite: if you're a slave to God then you cannot be a slave to any mortal man, not even the highest and most powerful king. It's a statement of profound emancipation, not of submission.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 13:47:43 2015 No.6215523 >>6211987 Becoming a cynical asshole. It worked for me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 13:50:28 2015 No.6215528 >>6211987 accept existence

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 13:51:05 2015 No.6215532 >>6215035 Whats stopping you from fixing your problems?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 13:54:08 2015 No.6215540 >>6212456 > LSD the comic

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 13:54:09 2015 No.6215541 >>6215520 I agree with you. I was trying to address previous posters' thoughts on 'the transcendent talking to him'

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 13:55:22 2015 No.6215543 I want to kill myself just so I can prove I am master of myself. But i'm too weak. Now I just live stuck in life, and i don't enjoy anything. I don't have any passion, whether that be happiness or hatred. What am i supposed to do about that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 13:56:55 2015 No.6215546 >>6213567 that's what the stranger would be about if it was written by sartre, you fucking plank

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 13:58:20 2015 No.6215548 >>6212385 /Thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 13:58:34 2015 No.6215549 Deny the existence of a problematic existence Surrender to that through wich your self stablishes its identity Forget that through which your self stablishes its Embrace grief

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 14:01:47 2015 No.6215558 >>6212385 >taking antidepressants Weaklings

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 14:01:53 2015 No.6215560

I don't get the point of making yourself better

if you want to die, then do it, no one but you should be able to convince you otherwise

everyone says that it must be a mental illness and take meds and have therapy but dying sooner rather than later means nothing, so why not do it if you want to

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 14:02:42 2015 No.6215562

>>6215549
well thats some vague bullshit

> Surrender to that through wich your self stablishes its identity

Identity can come from a million different sources, usually social. So surrender to your mom and dads religion and start believing in the zombie?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 14:05:02 2015 No.6215568 >>6215560 Cus you wanna kill yourself cus u dont enjoy life but its very possible to enjoy life if you do something about it. Therefore, improve yourself instead of moping around and writing edgy anime poetry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 14:09:57 2015 No.6215585 >>6213713 >>6214005 >>6214029 How do I get to know more about buddhism? Do you have any books to recommend?

>>	None !!lZetafI6z8s Mon Mar 2 14:59:33 2015 No.6215732 >>6214054 cant but who are you??also there was only 1 l

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 15:20:22 2015 No.6215782 >>6214022 you can absolutely change up the card deck/your hand anon. pretty much everyone is too afraid to face the unknown and the consequences of doing so.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 15:20:29 2015 No.6215783 >>6212026 Mah nigga.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 15:24:30 2015 No.6215790 >>6213657 This. So much this. Run as fast as you can away from all the quacks that call themselves "therapists". Not even bankers or lawyers are as big of hypocrites as these assholes.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 15:26:56 2015 No.6215794

>>6213713
Buddhism is not without its legitimate criticisms, but I give it credit that there is tremendous insight in many of their beliefs. It is definitely worth studying in depth to gain a greater insight into the human condition and how to approach it.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 15:35:43 2015 No.6215812

>>6214598
There's something to be said for this. I think that nihilism is ultimately the only philosophy that can be scientifically justified as real and not just some wishful thinking bullshit.

That said, nihilism is not a very good way to live one's life. So know the truth, but do whatever you must to take your mind off of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 15:43:49 2015 No.6215830 By reading and finding meaning and purpose through the accumulation of knowledge and the appreciation of the art of fiction.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 15:57:30 2015 No.6215887 >>6212263 This. I would even say that this was dealt with in the bible. The book of ecclesiastes for example.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 15:59:51 2015 No.6215899 >>6214616 >implying he said cocaine HCl

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 16:07:09 2015 No.6215931 >>6212263 Could we please stop using emphasis phrases like "full stop"? It makes you sound like you're timid, and don't expect to be seriously listened to.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 16:09:51 2015 No.6215946

>>6213183
don't listen to him.
I smoked some salvia extract an year ago and now I am messed the fuck up. I think that our reality is a part of a bigger one and that the world is actually different pages of reality ( which I saw) that represent your life choices, being turned all the time. DO NOT INTO HARD HARD HALLUCINOGENS !!!

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 16:14:45 2015 No.6215975
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>>6213317
It doesn't have to be divine intervention to be meaningful.
Things can only happen one way, God created the universe to be so, and not only has he created the universe, but he exists here and now, and permeates our entire being.
Everything that should exist, does exist; nothing exists that should not exist, and nothing has been left out from creation.
It's like the grandest song.
Maybe to an atheist there is a such thing as coincidence, but I never saw it that way.
"Coincidence" brings into play a mental picture wherein some other event could have occurred instead of the one that did occur.
This is one of the hugest pitfalls of relativist thinking.
I am not being fatalistic here either, God gives us a sovereign will for a reason as well.
Everything is as it should be.
And no I'm not saying this to make myself feel better, in fact, this line of thought has thrown me into an existence where every day is like some hellish nightmare.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 16:20:40 2015 No.6215994 >>6212350 Good point camus

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 16:24:51 2015 No.6216007
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>>6213144
>>6213158
>>6215540

>>6213157
I feel like it's a meta interpretation of the comic itself, as the reader is the equivalent of an audience watching a play; very René Magritte

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 16:25:00 2015 No.6216008

>>6212171
>i almost feel like ANY pursuit is, at it's root, an attempt to limit consciousness, to turn your back to the void.
that was the crux of the only acid experience i've had so to read that sentence just gave me sketchy flashback vibes. it was terrifying and miserable and probably the 'most real' thing i've every felt

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 16:28:35 2015 No.6216022

>>6213183
Good luck trying to get some outside of South America or maaaybe Central America. Powdered DMT is much cheaper and easier to come by. Take it with a MAOI inhibitor and you'll have a trip comparable to ayahuasca. Harmala is a popular MAOI.

All that being said, don't start with DMT. It's insane even for experienced drug users. Start with mushrooms, assuming you've smoked pot before, and then maybe LSD, peyote, maybe research chems if you're okay with the risks. Then after years try DMT without the MAOI and then with one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 16:35:05 2015 No.6216050 >>6213540 But when one actually bears witness to it as objectively as one can, the existential horror fades away into peace.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 16:39:27 2015 No.6216068

>>6215946
But there are theories that genuinely question this in Physics. I have a huge existential crisis whilst studying Physics at A-Level, when we started looking at Quantum mechanics. How stuff is never really in one place, and there is this form of uncertainty and chance. How particles may be testing every possible configuration, which is how we attempt to comprehend things.

The thing that really tripped me up, which was partially explored in Slaughterhouse 5, is the idea that time does not exist and is instead a construct that we have applied.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 16:41:09 2015 No.6216078 >>6212099 i'd like to smoke marijuana without having panic attacks because of my depression man. It's feels bad and i don't want to do antidepressants.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 16:43:45 2015 No.6216091

>>6215975

What if someone jumps in front of a train to prove to himself that he has a free will, despite wanting to live?

He´s essentially sacrificing his life to prove he has the choice to kill himself regardless of whether or not he wants to die.

How does that fit within the deterministic view?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 16:48:50 2015 No.6216126 >>6216078 Buy a bike and go cycling. Are you into music at all?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 16:56:10 2015 No.6216160 >>6212299 Cause he's spot on

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 16:57:37 2015 No.6216166 >>6216126 without music life has no meaning, i like music from the 60's hahaha, but i think that i feel bad and lonely because i deny my human condition which tells me to look for a gf. And yes, i have a bike but i never use it tbh

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 17:02:19 2015 No.6216194

>>6216068
The way I saw it in salvia space is ughm
Imagine a sheet of paper, it's 2D right? Alright, now imagine that that sheet of paper is actually 3D and that you can enter it? Good. That sheet of paper is a portal to a single moment. Now, what I saw is millions and millions sheets of papers containing your life and your perception getting stacked and flipped and the weirdest shit is that you visit every single one of those and you feel this gravity wave. Also the room you are in while tripping is seen in those sheets, it's just that now you are seeing it in 4D + you are not seeing it as looking at a cube from the inside but like a weird optical illusion, that it's actually a cube from the outside.

tl;dr Salvia makes you think that ''reality'' is only a part of a bigger reality, and that THIS reality is actually sheets of ''perception/life/time'' paper stacked and flipped.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 17:05:11 2015 No.6216210 I'll let you know when I do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 17:06:30 2015 No.6216223 >>6216091 He is willfully subjecting himself to physical phenomena that would reprimand him of his will. This is why suicide is a sin. As for whether or not he has succeeded in proving that he has free will, I think he has.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 17:20:27 2015 No.6216273
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>>6216166
Exercise is definitely key for trying to overcome depression. Also it can be nice to just get outside and ride around a park or by the river (assuming you have these nearby).

I know that feel bro. Part of me feels like I should be going out and trying to find a gf, but the other half of me feels that I need to sort my job situation and university first...

Here's a nice song for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUkwzLeJ3YY

And here's a nice piece of artwork to look at

You should consider buying some 5-HTP. It's a precursor and intermediate in the synthesis of serotonin by your body. There isn't a whole load of research to prove its effectiveness, but I've been taking it for the past couple of weeks and it seems to have helped me out. My mood is much more elevated the majority of the time now than it was before. Even if this is a placebo, something has still changed for the better.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 17:26:43 2015 No.6216296

>>6215585
http://keithdowman.net/guestpage/patrul_advice.htm

http://www.amazon.com/Nagarjunas-Madhyamaka-A-Philosophical-Introduction/dp/0195384962

http://santipada.org/aswiftpairofmessengers/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/A_Swift_Pair_of_Messengers_Bhikkhu_Sujato.pdf

http://turtlehill.org/ths/dilgo.html

http://www.amazon.com/Buddhism-Attitude-Tibetan-Seven-Point-Training/dp/1559392002/ref=sr_1_9?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1425332440&sr=1-9&keywords=Lojong

http://www.amazon.com/Great-Path-Awakening-Cultivating-Compassion/dp/1590302141/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1425332440&sr=1-2&keywords=Lojong

http://www.amazon.com/Mindfulness-Plain-English-20th-Anniversary/dp/0861719069/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1425332559&sr=1-1&keywords=mindfulness+in+plain+english

http://www.amazon.com/Tibetan-Book-Living-Dying-International/dp/0062508342/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1425332595&sr=1-1&keywords=tibetan+book+of+living+and+dying

http://www.bluedolphinpublishing.com/BeyondMind.html

http://webdelprofesor.ula.ve/humanidades/elicap/en/uploads/Biblioteca/bdz-e.version.pdf

https://www.scribd.com/doc/221320529/Four-Dimensional-Time-in-Dzogchen-and-Heidegger

http://www.academia.edu/1401569/The_Elegance_of_Enigma_Quantum_Darwinism_Quantum_Bayesianism_QBism_and_Quantum_Buddhism_In_Pursuit_of_a_Quantum_Middle_Way_
Buddhism is huge and encompasses various philosophical movements, it has more primary source texts than all other religions combined. These are just a start from off the top of my head. I have over 7k Buddhist texts and themed philosophy papers in my digital library, and it is just a drop in the bucket.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 17:28:00 2015 No.6216302 >>6216194 So your advice is to stay small minded and ignorant of the how the world potentially is to avoid an existential crises? lel

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 17:28:37 2015 No.6216306

here's how to get over depression
step one listen to death metal
step two pace around your room and start breathing really heavily like you're about to lift something really heavy in the gym
step 2b make a business plan
step three make $10million
step four make $100million
etc.
pretty easyt

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 17:30:25 2015 No.6216317 >>6216194 Have you read "Flatland" by Edwin Abbott? Sounds like a pretty awesome trip tbh.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 17:31:33 2015 No.6216324

>>6216008
> it was terrifying and miserable

that is fear of the void caused from ego-clinging and a total misapprehension of what the void is, this is a well identified stage in Buddhist visionary meditation and something that is considered a delusory obstacle

when the void is properly apprehended and one assimilates into it, there is just existential plenitude, freedom, satisfaction, and unlimited happiness

read Timothy Leary's The Psychedelic Experience, despite some of his mistakes, he got that part right in his discussion of the primary clear light.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 17:32:36 2015 No.6216330 >>6215812 >that can be scientifically justified kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 18:39:23 2015 No.6216587 >>6216022 >Good luck trying to get some outside of South America or maaaybe Central America. Eurofag here, you can legally buy it in shops.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 18:46:18 2015 No.6216629

>>6216022
I am from USA and I order the bark online for the cheapest of prices, you can order the caapi too...so it really isn't hard to find at all.

Depending on where you live you can just get it yourself for free, a version of the bark is easily obtained in Hawaii and the grass is found in local parks in huge quantities where I live.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 18:50:22 2015 No.6216652 Go outside.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 19:03:00 2015 No.6216723 >>6216652 What if you live right in the centre of: LONDON O N D O N

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 19:06:27 2015 No.6216740 >>6216587 It is just as legal to purchase in shops here in U.S.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 19:08:53 2015 No.6216749 >>6216587 You must be Dutch.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 19:23:40 2015 No.6216808 File: 137 KB, 640x480, smart-shop-001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6216749 Correct, but I believe you can order that kind of stuff online in most countries as well without any problems.

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 19:35:36 2015 No.6216841

>>6212263
How is this position not simply a form of denial? According to this, faith is what gets you out of the crisis. Well, duh. If I rationally think and come to the conclusion that everything is meaningless, then as a response to that just flat out deny rational thought altogether and claim that I am "enlightened," what does that accomplish?

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 19:43:19 2015 No.6216873

I've found existentialism to be sort of comforting personally. Whenever I'm extremely stressed out about things I have to get done I just remind myself that nothing I'll do in my life, good or bad, will matter in a few decades. It usually calms me down pretty well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 19:47:39 2015 No.6216892 Fall in Love

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 20:03:19 2015 No.6216950 >>6216892 love is bourgeois

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 20:06:11 2015 No.6216965

My 2cents.
Felt existential depression for about 10 years. Every single day is battle. Some battles are much easier than others.

I don't mean to sound pithy. I don't have things figured out. But I experience peace more often than I did.

Learn to relax, and find contentment with what is. If you feel anxious, feel it. Sad, feel it. Hiding only makes it chase you.
I am not totally sober, but I know that drugs and booze whip up negative mental trends in me.

My advice is design your life. Not goals so much as a way of being. A lifestyle. Than fake it till you make it. And fight like its a fucking grudge match.

Me being in 4chan right now is a mental lapse of weakness. I know this, yet here I am.

The day I strive for. Check surf/surf first thing. No surf- than zazen 20 minutes minimum. Yoga or lift weights for 40-60min. This morning component is crucial for me. I typically feel a peace for the rest of my day.

Than I write in come capacity for 3-5, usually breaking it with a lunch break.

Eat only healthy foods. If I eat shit, my mind gets depressed by the way my body feels.
I only ejaculate in the evenings. Day emission will depress me for the rest of the day.

If you start new habits, it will exhaust you. Thats ok. Do your best. Five 2 minute meditations still equal ten minutes. Five pushups add up to a hundred throughout your day. It's a fight. Best of luck. Oh, and try not to philosophize.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 20:15:44 2015 No.6217012 File: 51 KB, 199x500, Emilearmand01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6216950 arranged marriage is bourgeois, love is anarchist

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 20:17:33 2015 No.6217018 File: 121 KB, 266x318, Epicurus.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6216965 >Oh, and try not to philosophize. Depends on type of philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 20:22:55 2015 No.6217038 >>6217012 anarchism is bourgeois

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 20:27:50 2015 No.6217050

>>6217018
>try not to philosophize.
>Depends on type of philosophy.

In my experiences of practicing life, the philosophies that become self evident are much more valued than my years of philosophical speculating. A hen in the hand is worth two in the bush.

I do have a soft spot for Epicurus.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 20:30:43 2015 No.6217060 >>6214938 because nothing 'nice' that exists or could possibly exist would make the bad 'ok'. We aren't doing anything here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 20:34:08 2015 No.6217069 how about STOP BEING A WEAK LITTLE BITCH TRYING TO 'GET OVER' YOUR TRUE FEELINGS ABOUT LIFE AND ACCEPT IT YOU CUNT NUGGET. JESUS CHRIST YOU PEOPLE ARE PATHETIC.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 20:36:43 2015 No.6217076 >>6217050 Yes, Epicurus is a practical lad and his philosophy is mostly therapeutic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 20:45:38 2015 No.6217110 >>6211987 Get laid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 20:48:23 2015 No.6217117 >>6217110 And risk bringing another consciousness into this world of meaningless suffering? No,thanks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 20:48:23 2015 No.6217118 >>6217110 >being unintelligent top kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 20:50:33 2015 No.6217125 >>6217110 for some people an animal act punctuated by an orgasm doesn't alleviate existential angst.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 20:51:51 2015 No.6217129 >>6211987 Why is meaninglessness depressing?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:12:58 2015 No.6217431 >>6217118 >implying people who get laid are unintelligent top kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:22:56 2015 No.6217478 >>6217431 No lol your reading comprehension is atrocious. I am saying people who can get over existential malaise by getting their dick wet are unintelligent, you dense, dense faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:25:07 2015 No.6217488 Quick question So you recommend giving into bodily pleasures such as sex and drugs, but what about video games?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:26:46 2015 No.6217496 >>6217488 I recommend embracing the feeling of not being ok with what is happening here and to stop looking for distractions and cop-outs like the rest of the weak plebeians

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:29:30 2015 No.6217505 >>6217488 Video games are a great distraction,that is if you can get interested enough in them. >>6217496 What's the point of embracing the feeling of not being ok?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:30:41 2015 No.6217514 >>6217496 It's absurd no matter what you do, so how can one time waster be objectively better than the other

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:33:37 2015 No.6217522 >>6217505 >What's the point of embracing the feeling of not being ok? Doing things to make life better like informing people it's a bad idea to reproduce and talking people into suicide.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:35:56 2015 No.6217531 >>6217522 Those things wouldn't make life better for me,they'd only prevent future suffering.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:38:16 2015 No.6217550 >>6217531 yep. you're not important

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:53:16 2015 No.6217614 File: 51 KB, 837x736, 1414634297418.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How can I learn to appreciate something? How do I feel grateful? How can I give meaning to my life?

Anonymous Mon Mar 2 22:58:33 2015 No.6217640

>>6216194
As someone who's smoked salvia extract, I'll say that it's one of the weirdest drugs, if not THE weirdest drug, out there. My experience involved my frame of vision detaching from my head and multiplying into an infinite void (hard to describe since it's such an intensely confusing experience). But my "salvia space" and its lasting effects were fundamentally different from yours; I came out feeling baptized and grateful for life. You should remember that drugs don't contain esoteric, universal truths. The best you can hope for is learning something new about yourself, which I did.

The point is that, while I wouldn't recommend just drinking Ayahuasca, to suggest someone should not based on a personal experience you've had with a different drug is not entirely helpful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 23:07:57 2015 No.6217685 >>6217478 >not realizing writing with implications that can be easily misconstrued constitutes bad writing >blaming the reader for bad writing

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 2 23:19:04 2015 No.6217720 >>6213710 >FINALLY the sun goes nova. >our sun >ever going nova lel

Anonymous Tue Mar 3 00:21:55 2015 No.6217997

>>6213657
The best thing about therapy is it allows people to open up to themselves, at least sometimes. I always had the problem that I never really knew my own thoughts and problems until a moderator of sorts asked me the hard questions I never wanted to answer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 3 10:51:46 2015 No.6218647 What if I want to be depressed?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 3 12:43:22 2015 No.6218902 >>6216296 Thanks a bunch.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 3 13:43:34 2015 No.6219063 >>6218647 sabotage your diet, sit around watching a lot of television, work a boring job

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 3 14:48:28 2015 No.6219210 >>6213509 BEHOLD, THE UBERMENSCH

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