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Analytic Philosophy is the most rigorously studied philosophy in the world despite denying the human subject its own subjectivity. Any philosophy that needs to be justified through word games rather than real human emotion (which makes up 100% of our experience) is intellectual poison and has been turned into a fetishized commodity

>> No.6181738

>>6181720
>I FEEL like I'm a bird
>Therefore I'm a bird
>:^)

>> No.6181748

analytic philosophy is a subgenre of real philosophy and has since withered down intoa no-name field when compared to real philosophy

>> No.6181767
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6181767

>>6181720
>word games
found the wittgenposter

>> No.6181899

i agree

>> No.6181902

It's liberalism philosophy.

>> No.6181905

>>6181720
ahaha, monsieur!!! ah-oh-ah, monsieur!-!- i feel as though my eyeballs have been raped to stardust by your mischevious poetry. may i offer you another piece?

an intellectual,
monsieur is one who,
among other things,
invents their own criterion
and values,
doesn't just parrot (parrot-parrot, ahahha!! ;^)
the Idées reçues, like 'analytic' and 'contential', floating ignominiously
on the surface;
the dirty sink o-
f our culture

>> No.6181907

What can any writer tell me about the emotions that only I experience

>> No.6181908

>>6181905
>>ahaha, monsieur!!! ah-oh-ah, monsieur!-!
you are back, I see

>> No.6181912
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6181912

>>6181907
>only I experience emotions

>> No.6181917

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>> No.6181920

>>6181908

he never left
that's the same dude that posts 'analytical vs continental' ms paint pics and calls himself 'the roach slayer' while asking for 'textual examples'

he's the worst poster on /lit/

>> No.6181923

>>6181912

the emotions that I experience are only experienced by me

>> No.6181927

>>6181917
are you CIA or FBI?

>> No.6181935

>>6181923
*tips fedora*

>> No.6181936
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6181936

>feelings and opinions are more important than logical arguments

>> No.6181938

>>6181923

There's a limited range of emotions that can be felt, it's a huge spectrum but we all possess the inherent ability to feel similar emotions.

>> No.6181940

>>6181936
Logic is illogical and truth itself is a feeling, or don't you Hume?

>> No.6181941

>>6181936
nice meme

>> No.6181942

>>6181938

how do you know? have you experienced any emotions other than your own?

>> No.6181946

>>6181938
>but we all possess the inherent ability to feel similar emotions.
Obviously. Emotions are caused by various chemicals in the brain and their balance.
>>6181940
>Logic is illogical and truth itself is a feeling, or don't you Hume?
I don't care about outdated bullshit. Hume lived before modern logic and scientific rigour.

>> No.6181948

>>6181936

>I feel that logic is more important than feelings

nice one, kid

>> No.6181949

>>6181948
Arguments based on feelings are not sound, Franz.

>> No.6181953

>>6181946

>Emotions are caused by various chemicals in the brain and their balance.

please demonstrate that your phenomenal experience is necessarily causally linked to the specific balance of chemicals in the 'brain'

>> No.6181954

>>6181949
they dont need to be sound, chump

>> No.6181955

>>6181949

so stop making them

>> No.6181957

>>6181946
>modal logic is immune to Hume's proofs
kekkkkkkk

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6181959

>>6181953
The limbic system: Emotion, laterality, and unconscious mind.
Joseph, R.
Psychoanalytic Review, Vol 79(3), 1992, 405-456.

>> No.6181962

>>6181959

correlation =/= causation

try again

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6181963

>>6181957
>modal logic is modern logic

>> No.6181966

>>6181920
is that the end of your "critique", monsieur? may i get on with calling everyone a monsieur now, or do you have more to say, you impudent varlet? i am a professional 4chan poster and i don't have time for lengthy apologies.

>> No.6181967

>>6181963

>Asian cartoon

all opinions swiftly and violently discarded

>> No.6181970

>>6181962
No, that is literally the cause. Did you read the paper?

>> No.6181972

>>6181970
demonstrate how causality is not a myth based on faulty interpretive faculties

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6181974

>>6181967
You're on 4channel, baka.

>> No.6181980

>>6181972
The burden of proof is on you for that one. I simply showed you where emotions come from.

>> No.6181984

>>6181980

you showed me a paper on the limbic system that is full of assumptions about the relation of the psyche to a physical organ

I don't see how that demonstrates anything other than your own lack of rigor

>> No.6181989

>>6181984
>you showed me a paper on the limbic system that is full of assumptions about the relation of the psyche to a physical organ
Do you want a paper about how everything we experience come from the brain, too?
Try this
https://www.edx.org/course/fundamentals-neuroscience-part-i-harvardx-mcb80-1x#.VOrVhS45Cik

>> No.6182005

>>6181984
Cartesius pls go home, you're drunk

>> No.6182012

>>6181989

please explain how the observation of the neural correlates of experience is an observation of the origin of experience

please

>> No.6182026

>>6182012
What do you think is the origin of experience? It is the internalisation of external stimuli.

>> No.6182030

ITT: autism

>> No.6182031

>>6182026

I don't pretend to be able to answer that question

I don't buy into axiomatic bullshit

>> No.6182037

>>6182031
>I don't pretend to be able to answer that question
That's because you never studied the brain. Instead you like to posture and give unwarranted meaning to human life.

>> No.6182048

>>6182037

>meaning

I never brought this word up
I'm not sure what you're getting at

I'm saying that observing the brain doesn't give us anything other than an observation of the brain

the structures of phenomenal experience aren't accounted for by any sort of neural correlation, that's just weak thinking

>> No.6182057

>>6182048
No, all of our experiences are accounted for by observing the brain. There is nothing supernatural about us.

>> No.6182091

>>6182057

>all of our experiences are accounted for by observing the brain

decidedly untrue. we've never observed an experience and as such can't say anything about scientifically OTHER THAN ITS NEURAL CORRELATES

>supernatural
>meaning

why are you trotting out these empty signifiers? I never brought up meaning or 'nature'

>> No.6182097

>>6182091
>we've never observed an experience
Yes we have, all the external stimuli that we observes is 'experience'.

>> No.6182098

>>6182091

about it*

>> No.6182100

>>6182097

you're not observing an external stimulus. You're experiencing a phenomena. You can't say anything else with certainty without going full axiomatic retard

are you in high school, by any chance?

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6182113

>>6182100
>You're experiencing a phenomena
That's what external stimuli is. Unless you've redefined it.
>You can't say anything else with certainty without going full axiomatic retard
Continental anti-scientific posturing at its best.

>> No.6182132

>>6182113
what are you even trying to accomplish

OH YA EXTERNAL STIMULUS IS PHENOMENA WHAT WILL WE DO KNOW THAT WE'RE IMBUED WITH THIS WISDOM KNOW ANON WHAT CONGRESS WHAT SANCTUARY WE HAVE TO BESTOW OMG I'M A FUCKING BEETLE

>> No.6182135

>>6182132
What are you on about? Why do you think denying that the world exists makes you smart?

>> No.6182231

>>6181927
I'm a sargent of the pasta police

>> No.6182244

>>6181720

Analytic Philosophy is not a doctrine, it's just a method, it isn't word games either( Continentals are way worse for that shit). Plenty of Analytic Philosophers deal with human subjectivity, Anscombe wrote a whole book about Intention for fuck's sake. Stop giving the fedoras bait to go " muh science".

>> No.6182557

as usual op is a retard who doesn't know anything about philosophy

>> No.6182990

>>6181936
>not realising that any logical argument formulated with empirical evidence is still filtered through the subjective and partially fictionalised reality we experience, as opposed to the one which actually exists

>> No.6183002

>rather than real human emotion

So you admit that cuntinental philosophy is muh feelings feminazi tier?

>> No.6183035

>>6181738
literally lol'd

>> No.6183044

>Not a single shred of evidence in this entire thread
Disappointing

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6183070

>this entire thread boils down to "muh feelz" vs "muh axioms"

jesus

>> No.6183074

>>6181720

>Analytic Philosophy is the most rigorously studied philosophy in the world despite denying the human subject its own subjectivity

It doesn't.
For fuck's sake I want to slaughter the idiot who came up with this shit.
Saying "muh feels isn't a good metric for studying reality" isn't the same as denying the human subject its own subjectivity.

>> No.6183313

>>6182135
The flagrancy of your hipocrytism is evident . by your own admission, your shit posting on 4chan is just a neurobiological reaction. Which means that you could theoretically express this better not with words but with mechanized signals. Which would only probe that the uneducated bullshit you're spouting is even more frivolous

>> No.6184131

>>6181942
Not him, but I have experienced another person's feelings before.

>> No.6184143

>>6181720
I'm doing a Ph.D. in High Energy Physics. I'm interested in Continental Philosophy much more than in Analytical Philosophy.
It's my opinion, I'm not saying Continental is better; I'm just saying that I work day by day with a heavier mathematical apparatus than most Analytical philosophers can think of, so I'm just fine when reading Continental because I feel like that personal need is fullfilled with Physics.
Just an opinion.

>> No.6184145

>>6183074
well characterizing the continent by 'muh feels' is just as facile

>> No.6184178

>>6182113
>Can't know nuffin
Nobody ACTUALLY believes that.

>> No.6184188

>>6184143
>I work day by day with a heavier mathematical apparatus than most Analytical philosophers can think of
I am confident you have not read a single paper of analytic philosophy in your life.

> I work day by day with a heavier mathematical apparatus
Higher abstraction does not mean it is harder. In fact, it is the exact opposite and you're a naive fool for thinking otherwise. Although, as with analytic philosophy, getting on top of a certain research subject-matter involves an intense familiarization with many unfamiliar concepts, but once you have, applied mathematics, at the end of the day, involves no theorem-proving and extends no further than mere crunching of the numbers.

Goddamn arrogant physicists, when will you learn.

>> No.6184211

>>6184188
Ok, I explained myself wrongly and I ended up sound arrogant, which wasn't my intention, so I apologyze.

I will rephrase: I work already with a heavy amount of abstraction, so in my free time I don't feel the need of looking for more stuff in that direction. It was different during the undergraduate, but now for personal reasons I'm more attracted to the kind of philosophy developed by Continental philosophers.

Again, my intention was not to imply "duh superior Physics master race".

>> No.6184219

Analytic philosophy actually asks the hard questions and seriously investigates all the basic assumptions of our society and ideology. Continental philosophy is little more than masturbation and word games.

>> No.6184227

>subjectivity
It's almost like people don't understand what this means and believe that there is a unique driving force for each human that magically appears from nothing.

>> No.6184240

>philosophy that appeals to emotions is the only valid kind

C'mon, now.

>> No.6185678

>>6184219
>Analytic philosophy actually asks the hard questions and seriously investigates all the basic assumptions of our society and ideology.

Modern critical theory is doing exactly that, a process of deconstruction which stems from more continental than analytical schools of thought. To dismiss it as 'word games' is kind of ironic, given that continental thought examines the nature of being tricked by language into a fictionalised - and therefore false - reality.

>> No.6185699

>you will never be smart enough to understand even a little bit of this discussion

>> No.6186478

>>6185699
it's ok...we can pretend...

>> No.6186483

>>6185699
You probably know more than them if it makes no sense

>> No.6186486

>>6184227

that's not what subjectivity means kek

>thinks he can escape being a hegemonic subject

good luck with your noumena bro

>> No.6186510

>>6185678
Critical theory is philosophy for retards. Anyone who equates it with actual philosophy is fooling themself.

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6186616

>A focus on rigid consistency is bad because it doesn't appeal to my emotions
>Philosophy should stop trying to be like science and mathematics and go back to being muh feels poetry

>> No.6186849

>>6186510
>Ad hominem
Damn son, you definitely proved me and countless other academics wrong about the value of theory

>> No.6186889

>>6181738
funniest post of 2015 well done