/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.6178832]

>there are capitalist pigs on lit RIGHT NOW

[Anonymous No.6178840]

>>6178832

proletariat scum

[Anonymous No.6178859]

>>6178840

>calling the people you rely on for your wealth scum

Capitalist pigs, everyone.

[Anonymous No.6178874]

>there are people who don't vote for their national communist party browsing /lit/ RIGHT NOW

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.6178886]

>>6178859
>your wealth
I have no wealth, and we could all do without the game our ancestors set up.

SAGE

[Anonymous No.6178896]

>>6178859
wanna fuck

[Anonymous No.6178904]

>>6178886
bumping to get this noticed

[Anonymous No.6178910]

Not after I get through with them...

[Anonymous No.6178915]

>>6178904
Why would you encourage that poster?

[Anonymous No.6178920]

>>6178915
i want to fug butterfly

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.6178922]

>>6178915
Why would you encourage frog posters?

And he was more encouraging the truth about capitalism being a damn stupid game.

[Anonymous No.6178926]

>>6178922
butterfly would you consider sex with a man?

[Anonymous No.6178967]

>>6178922
>Why would you encourage frog posters?
Because they're better than you.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.6179006]

>>6178926
>>6178967
Nope.

[Anonymous No.6179011]

>>6179006
wow fuck off then u stupid dyke

[Anonymous No.6179024]

>>6178832
back2revleft

[Anonymous No.6179046]

>>6179011
Stop being mean to our dead waifu, you have to give those dubs back now pls thank you

[Anonymous No.6179084]

>There exist people in the world right now who take pride in the fact that they don't read books

I just...

Man, this fuckin' world...

[Anonymous No.6179091]

If you use money, You are a capitalist, OP

[Anonymous No.6179128]

>There are people who aren't platformist or syndicalist anarchists on /lit/ right now.

[Anonymous No.6179132]

>>6179091
well replied friend XDDDDD

[Anonymous No.6179138]

I know, and there will always be.
So, don't get your undies in a bunch.
It's... undialectical.

[Anonymous No.6179144]

>>6179128
>There are utopian idealist ahistorical shits on /lit/ right now.

[Anonymous No.6179174]

Ahhhh yes! I love capitalism! Though I am only a small time upstart with a minor internet business, I nonetheless cherish every opportunity at exploitation I receive. Just recently I purchased an ebook cover on Fiverr. The provider was a college student and I could tell he was talented in design, yet naive in the ways of the world. I handed him a ridiculously hard to comprehend project description and demanded turnover within 24 hours. I even demanded 5 revisions, not that I was unsatisfied with the work, but because I wanted to make him suffer! hahahhahahaha! In the end, he must have worked 6 hours to earn that 5 bucks! And he was transgendered to boot!

I can't wait until my enterprises have finally reached sufficient size that I may exploit FULL TIME STAFF in such fashion!

O, my dear Satan, how may I ever repay you for the day you opened my eyes to the visceral pleasures of sacred CAPITAL!

[Anonymous No.6179180]

>>6179084
i read books, but i dont take pleasure in it. i just want the information

[Anonymous No.6179213]

To all Marxists and commies:

Capitalism works. How can you argue against that? If Marxism was so greta, then why did the Soviet Union fall after fifty years? I'm not even baiting.

[Anonymous No.6179295]

>>6179213
>mfw Marxism was so greta

[Anonymous No.6179298]

>>6179213
>To all Jacobins and Republicans:
>Feudalism works. How can you argue against that? If Republicanism was so great, then why did the First Republic fall after twelve years? I'm not even baiting.

[Anonymous No.6179306]

>>6179128

> syndicalist.

Hardline Anarchist here, you need to stop micro-managing right now before you take away our momentum.

[Anonymous No.6179312]

>Utopian
>Systems actually achieved and sustained before falling to forces external of their design and practice.

Don't you have more Rand sparknotes to get through?

[Anonymous No.6179321]

>>6179213

> soviet union fell.

Dat selective memory. The soviet union didn't fall anon, they just peacefully transformed it into a republic.

Think about that for a moment. The Soviet system PEACEFULLY changed it's government.

[Anonymous No.6179329]

>>6179306

Pls stop smashing the windows in lieu of actual organising.

[Anonymous No.6179347]

>>6179329

> smashing the windows.

Propaganda of the act, pls. If all you see is vandalism and frustration you don't belong on the protest lines.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.6179367]

>>6179091
As anyone forced to live in a prison is a prisoner.
It sure doesn't mean I want to live there. Why are you so content?

>>6179144
Why are you so content to be a prisoner?

>>6179213
Again, like a prison works. In that it holds people against their will in cramped living conditions as punishment for something. It does nothing beyond that.

>>6179298
^Important lesson here.

[Anonymous No.6179387]

>>6179347

Other people don't and that's why your marginal kiddo.

[Anonymous No.6179389]

Oink oink plebs

[Anonymous No.6179424]

>>6179347
>Propaganda of the act
Only makes sense with a sizable and conscious contingency.

[Anonymous No.6179457]

>>6179387

> marginal.
> let's make ourselves even more marginal by ascribing to particular flavours of our political ideology that the vast majority of people aren't even going to look at.

If your political ideology is different because you don't want to be associated with the main adherents of it, don't use that main ideology as a prefix, dumbass. People are already ignorant as hell about political anarchism, anything with the word "anarcho" in it will be treated exactly the same by the un-interested masses.

>>6179424

I agree.

[Anonymous No.6179460]

>>6179213
>Capitalism works

Nice meme.

[Anonymous No.6179483]

>>6178832
>I'm not a capitalist pig.
Face it OP, in capitalism we're all capitalist pigs at the level of id. It's the the moralist superego that is speaking here.

[Anonymous No.6179508]

Deal with it, commies.

[Anonymous No.6179513]

>>6179483
We're all just general barbarians at the level of id in every form of society and no reform movement will change it either.

[Anonymous No.6179514]

What is a capitalist pig and what's so bad about being one?

[Anonymous No.6179533]

>>6179513
There are different ways to be a bar-bar-bar though. That's the difference between the general and specific.

[Anonymous No.6179548]

>>6179508
Yep, everyone's happy in Hong Kong

[Anonymous No.6179554]

>>6179514
I think it's the pig part, although it seems this is already contained in the capitalist part.

[Anonymous No.6179581]

>>6179554
What about a pig?
Aren't we all animals?
Or maybe I'm talking to science-denying creationists?

[Anonymous No.6179698]

>>6179508
>they all look exactly the same

[Anonymous No.6179734]

>tfw butters will never punch you and make you kiss her feet while saying insults in a /lit/ way

[Anonymous No.6179765]

>>6179734
I have a theory that she is also Mel from [s4s].

Can butters confirm this?

[Anonymous No.6179811]

Capitalism as a historical phenomenom was born in the 16th century, peaked in the 19th and then collapsed in the 20th. There are still residues of it, just like residues of feudalism survive to the present day, but it's no more the dominant mode of production.

What people call "capitalism" nowadays is just buzzword, the left equivalent to "Cultural Marxism", where people blame their frustrations on some boogeyman, see >>6179367

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.6179832]

>>6179765
And why would you think this?
She's very nice, but a very different person. I don't think I've even talked with here on s4s all that much. Always someone lying to me.

[Anonymous No.6179854]

>>6179832
would u fug her? ;)

I was wondering if you were a part of the secret [s4s] cabal. There must have been a skype group that Mel joined, where she foolishly posted an image of herself there.

That is only my theory. I'm not sure.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.6179922]

>>6179854
I donno. She shares pics freely enough. I have some the s4sers don't post and I'm not on any skype group.

She is a cutie-pie, and quite talented.

[Anonymous No.6180030]

>>6178874
>vote
reformist pls go

[Anonymous No.6180052]

>>6179811
>Capitalism as a historical phenomenon was born in the 16th century, peaked in the 19th and then collapsed in the 20th. There are still residues of it, just like residues of feudalism survive to the present day, but it's no more the dominant mode of production.

Do people actually believe this?

[Anonymous No.6180055]

>>6179811
This is completely absurd. What do you call our current mode of production if not capitalism?

[Anonymous No.6180064]

>>6179213
>Capitalism works.
Under its paradigms. Cancers also work.

[Anonymous No.6180082]

>>6179213
Internal contradictions of capital are harmful to society as whole, thus we can say safely that capitalism does not work as it is designed.

[Anonymous No.6180088]

>>6180064
>Cancers also work.
Cancer hasn't increased the standard of living for the average person exponentially since it's inception.

[Anonymous No.6180104]

>>6180088
Starvation, economic miscalculation, internal instability, effects of capital on politics>>6180082 and the impossible demands from nature(limited resource poll yet capitalism strife's for economic growth)

[Anonymous No.6180116]

Hey guys how is that 90% success rate treating you?

[Anonymous No.6180125]

Filthy materialists

[Anonymous No.6180126]

>>6180104
It's 2015, and every fucking capitalism place holder used by communists and socialists on the internet boils down to a model based on a late 19th-20th century assembly line run by a fucking aristocrat in a top hat.

Obsolete crackpot ideology is obsolete.

[Anonymous No.6180146]

>>6180126
You can whine all you want but socialism and communism are going to remain as options to masses, when ever next economic miscalculation pushes more people into unemployment.

This is not even to speak of conditions of new labor, and how automation is slowly creating so much systematic unemployment that we might soon have real revolution at our hands.

[Anonymous No.6180152]

>>6180126
Besides, if that is your image of how communists view capitalism, I would most certainly recommend you to look at works of China`s communist party and despair. Market Socialism is the answer, and it´s going to overwhelm the west.

[Anonymous No.6180153]

>But MY special snowflake super brand of communism will TOTALLY work. I'm such a free thinker, unlike those stupid capitalist sheep.

[Anonymous No.6180168]

>>6180153
>communism and socialism is just single orthodox theory
>being this politically illiterate

Leave my board.

[Anonymous No.6180181]

>>6180146
Not that anon but I agree the braindead masses will gravitate towards a utopian fantasy before they accept a hard reality.

[Anonymous No.6180185]

>>6180146
>socialism and communism are going to remain as options to masses

And suicide is an option to someone with depression, but like most "masses" of people who are not homogenous of thought, not everyone is going to find it viable, given that it's a non-solution.

>>6180152
>if that is your image of how communists view capitalism, I would most certainly recommend you to look at works of China`s communist party and despair. Market Socialism is the answer, and it´s going to overwhelm the west.
Socialism and communism lost man, don't let the current ideological echo boomers are attempting to pass onto the crowd of xeroxed millennial in the West fool you. Nobody's down for having a class of political elites tell them how much life they're allowed to have anymore for the greater good while they stuff imported goods into their nomenklatura cavities.

[Anonymous No.6180191]

>>6180181
What "hard reality" is there to accept? That this current economic model is not going to uphold itself when consumers are destroyed, along the middle-income jobs?

[Anonymous No.6180196]

>>6180168
Am I or am I not correct in assuming that you think youre own special brand of communism would work better than all the ones already tested?

[Anonymous No.6180201]

[Anonymous No.6180210]

>>6180196
There aren't brands of Communism, for one, because Communism is a type of society.

There are varieties of Socialism, many of which are successful. The most successful one is Market Socialism, and the most glaring example of this is modern China.

The more you know.

[Anonymous No.6180211]

>>6180185
>And suicide is an option to someone with depression, but like most "masses" of people who are not homogenous of thought, not everyone is going to find it viable, given that it's a non-solution.

Only to closed mind who does not see how masses will act when their conditions are changed so that there is no employment, or possibility of up-keeping the current economic system without some Keynesian magic.


>Socialism and communism lost man, don't let the current ideological echo boomers are attempting to pass onto the crowd of xeroxed millennial in the West fool you. Nobody's down for having a class of political elites tell them how much life they're allowed to have anymore for the greater good while they stuff imported goods into their nomenklatura cavities.

>political elite
>in democratic centralism

Again, you`re just politically illiterate pleb, who can`t even understand some very basic terminology about the issue he argues.

[Anonymous No.6180214]

>>6180210
Uh-oh

[Anonymous No.6180218]

>>6180196
>just answer to my confirmation bias already! entrenchen my dogma

Yes it has been tried, and it has worked to point.

[Anonymous No.6180219]

>unrestricted competition created me, you and all life around us
>competition is bad and should be restricted

lets all sing songs and hold hands and no one will ever have to be a loser ever again

[Anonymous No.6180221]

SOON

[Anonymous No.6180222]

Intellectuals are useless, they can't breed animals, They don't have the faintest idea on how to make sausages or forks or mobile phones. They are surrounded by all this stuff that they eat or use and they can't actually make a single thing, can't even begin to understand how they're made. If industrial production ceased tomorrow, if all the engineers and the specialist technicians disappeared off the face of the earth, they can't do anything to start things over again. In fact, outside the industrialized world, they can't even survive. They won't know how to feed or clothe themselves, or protect themselves from the weather. Their technical competence falls far short of Neanderthal man. They are completely dependent on society, but play no useful role in it. The only thing they know how to do is write dubious commentaries on outdated cultural issues.

The intellectual penchant for socialism is based on their desire to get paid, well paid, in tribute if not in money, for merely existing, since otherwise their entire existance would collapse.

[Anonymous No.6180228]

>>6180219
>>unrestricted competition created me, you and all life around us

This is just false. COLLECTIVE created the basis for society.

[Anonymous No.6180229]

>>6180219
>Unrestricted Competition

Confirmed for knowing nothing about early Capitalism. Or modern Keynesian style Capitalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_School_%28economics%29

[Anonymous No.6180236]

>>6180055
I don't know, since no intellectual is interested in getting rid of such a useful boogeyman such as "capitalism", but outside South American latifundia and some ethnic family conglomerates such as the ones from the Chinese bamboo network of Southeast Asia, "private ownership of the means of production" does not exist anymore.

[Anonymous No.6180237]

>>6180211
>Only to closed mind who does not see how masses will act when their conditions are changed so that there is no employment, or possibility of up-keeping the current economic system without some Keynesian magic
People are not homogenous of thought. If you think you can accurately predict what the "masses" are going to do at any point in time, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

>he doesn't think socialism and communism inherently give rise to ruling classes of political elites
>he thinks there's no historical precedent for this
>he doesn't know what "nomenklatura" means
>he still thinks people only disagree with him because of a "false consciousness"

[Anonymous No.6180239]

>>6180218
Has it been tried on a whole city? On a whole town even? How well has it worked? Was the town already isolated?

[Anonymous No.6180243]

>>6178832
Fucking commie, get the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.6180248]

>>6180229

I hate the modern system just as much as you do, I just don't think nuking civilization back to the stone age is the right solution.

Rich people don't want competition they spend millions lobbying for preferential treatment. Competition means less money in their pocket, competition means they might lose.

[Anonymous No.6180249]

>there are naïve, egalitarian children on /lit/ RIGHT NOW

[Anonymous No.6180252]

>>6180222
>socialists are just lazy intellectuals who just want to get paid
>implying socialist activists don't exist
>forgetting the bolshevik work ethic
brah stop mystifying your bullshit rhetoric to make you look smert, cause it just makes you look like a fool.

[Anonymous No.6180257]

>>6180082
Oh look, i can also quote a scientist.

>"If you say why not bomb [the Soviets] tomorrow, I say, why not today. If you say today at five o'clock, I say why not one o'clock?"

[Anonymous No.6180258]

>>6180237
>he doesn't think socialism and communism inherently give rise to ruling classes of political elites
>he thinks there's no historical precedent for this
>he doesn't know what "nomenklatura" means
>he still thinks people only disagree with him because of a "false consciousness"

Again, democratic centralism counters all of that along idea of collective leadership.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_centralism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_leadership

>People are not homogenous of thought. If you think you can accurately predict what the "masses" are going to do at any point in time, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

Humans are ruled by laws of nature. In human conditions there is always going to be certain unity of action, depending on the conditions themselves.

[Anonymous No.6180259]

>>6180252
I didn't see Stalin working in a steel mill or on a farm.

[Anonymous No.6180262]

>>6180248
Nowhere did I say anything about nuking the system. I am simply calling you an ignorant retard for thinking 'unrestricted competition' has ever existed in any Capitalist society.

[Anonymous No.6180263]

>>6180222
You don't need to be an intellectual to be a social critic. The lumpenproletariat is probably the most vulgar and dangerous class and their the farthest from intellectuals.

[Anonymous No.6180267]

>>6180252
>mystifying your bullshit rhetoric
>implying this isn't what dialectic materialism is all about

[Anonymous No.6180268]

>>6180263
>their

[Anonymous No.6180269]

>>6180239
China is doing just fine, and Market Socialism is building on China`s national interests.
>>6180249
Form each according to their ability to each according to their need =/= egalitarianism

[Anonymous No.6180277]

>>6180201

[Anonymous No.6180279]

>there are literal communists in 2015

[Anonymous No.6180282]

>>6180249
>Implying
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

Have some forehead with your whine.

[Anonymous No.6180283]

>>6180269
>Form each according to their ability to each according to their need

>giving people things they didn't earn
>caring about other people
>thinking human life is valuable
Sure is spooky here.

[Anonymous No.6180284]

>>6180088
The expansion of capitalism experienced an increasing fluctuation of raising and lowering standards for populations. The initial burst of capitalism benefited the people as it spread capital ownership to a larger percent of the population, but capital always pools in specific sections of the population and the standard of living plummets. Workers eventually demand reform, conflict ensues, and are eventually granted reforms in the form of child labor laws, social security, increased wages, etc. As these reforms occur, capitalists shift to areas with other/more resources and exploit them without these reformed policies, which damages the power of laborers in the original state but also benefits them as consumers. Capitalism having spread to these new lands and people, the overall population under Capitalism has extremely low standards of living, comparable (or even worse) than that experience in feudal societies. Having entered the 21st century, the entire world now functions under capitalism in one form or another, and the vast majority of people has seen few of the benefits capitalists claim for themselves.

[Anonymous No.6180288]

God damn you plebs are hopeless

[Anonymous No.6180290]

>>6180282
>implying I share my beliefs with that professor

[Anonymous No.6180291]

>>6180283
Marx destroyed this idiot.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch03d.htm

[Anonymous No.6180292]

>>6180290
>implying that matters

[Anonymous No.6180296]

>>6178832
>tfw bourgeois
Is there a better feeling?

[Anonymous No.6180297]

>>6180291
>Marx got angry and cried about Stirner without poking any logical holes in his arguments whatsoever
>b-b-but we need to stop da expolitations!!!!1!
Marx was a baby who realised he couldn't support himself, that's why Stirner made him cry.

[Anonymous No.6180299]

>>6180296
How many factories do you own?

[Anonymous No.6180300]

Authoritarian Socialism is the only viable future we have. All societies face crisis. Capitalist society does not exist. It is unable to deal with crisis because capitalism atomizes society into individuals. it makes it unable for the masses to plan for the future. The only remedy for pollution capitalist believe is legitimate, is a private party suing a polluter only after the pollution has taken place. In capitalism individuals exist only for their own individual benefit. This completely ignores the fact that humanity is not composed of one individual, but of many. If we are to resolve the issues we have, we must act as an us. We have to unleash our collective human species-being from the reigns of private property. The collective human species-being is the being that creates dams, hospitals and in the future it will create mass drivers, it will bring mankind into harmony with the earth. Right now we are just a collection of beings that are unorganized and running around with no heads. We are engaged in a struggle against ourselves. The sole cause of this struggle is private property. We have divided the Earth and its products into parcels that we fight over. Instead of uniting forces and using this Earth to provide for all, we use it to get more parcels. This does not serve mankind, but serves individuals. Who in the end are just serving capital. Capital is a living parasite that demands more and more labor. Capital requires growth or it disappears, this growth is supplied by human labor. I hope you realize humanity cannot have a future, where man continues to fight against itself.

[Anonymous No.6180301]

The only people who don't like capitalism are women and charismatic alpha males who are able to navigate social situations and get free shit thanks to their social skills and savviness.

For shy and introverted beta males the use of money for trading removes a lot of situations that could lead to social anxiety and discomfort. Ideologies such as anarchism and communism are directly related to the interests of alpha males and women as classes who can depend on their social skills to survive in a hostile world and are costrained by the rules and societal norms that empower beta males (the ones created by Neolithic Revolution, the original beta uprising).

Beta revolution is the only revolution that matters, and beta revolution will be capitalist.

[Anonymous No.6180304]

>>6180283
>giving people things they didn't earn
"To each according to his contribution"
>thinking human life is valuable
Terror is but open violent class struggle.
>caring about other people
if they aint a prole, fuck em

[Anonymous No.6180306]

>>6180258
>democratic centralism counters all of that along idea of collective leadership.

Then why didn't it stop said ruling political elites from coming about in both China and the USSR? How did Lenin successfully prevent the USSR from that fate? Oh wait, he didn't.

>In human conditions there is always going to be certain unity of action, depending on the conditions themselves.
Actions and conditions that are not the same from person to person and cannot be easily accounted for by any means from any sort of centrally planned perspective. Chance, choice, and pure chaos cannot be bottled in the manner these types of ideologies require to function.

[Anonymous No.6180308]

>>6180292
How does it not? It's no argument against me.
>>6180300
>implying anyone needs to care about the environment, animals, feelings or other such nonsense

[Anonymous No.6180309]

>>6180259
You're over a hundred years old and lived in pre-revolutionary Georgia? Stalin was a peasant and worked as a laborer while during his early revolutionary activity. I believe he worked at an oil refinery in Baku and a steel factory at some point but I'm less sure about the latter.

[Anonymous No.6180311]

>>6180277
They died in the war, right?

[Anonymous No.6180313]

>>6180308
Oh , so you're a sociopath. Carry on then.

[Anonymous No.6180317]

>>6180300
>The only remedy for pollution capitalist believe is legitimate, is a private party suing a polluter only after the pollution has taken place.

NOPE, the states only job is to protect you thats it. If someone harms you either terrorist or polluter the state jumps in and takes care of it. Gommies fail to realize that capitalism is just what happens naturally when the state doesn't interfere with peoples bullshit.

[Anonymous No.6180319]

>>6180308
>implying anyone needs to care about the environment, animals, feelings or other such nonsense
Moron

[Anonymous No.6180321]

>>6180306
>Then why didn't it stop said ruling political elites from coming about in both China and the USSR? How did Lenin successfully prevent the USSR from that fate? Oh wait, he didn't.

China is being lead via democratic centralism(if you cared to look up into their 3 divisional parliamentary within the party)

And what came of Soviets, was unfortunate but Lenin did try to warn the party.

If you can point out to single nation in history as your example of "failure" you are aware that it`s pretty narrow example?

[Anonymous No.6180322]

>>6180269
>China is doing just fine

You are aware the Chinese government, like the US and many other large nations, puts out completely fabricated economic reports to bolster their own image, right? They're not doing okay by any means, economically or otherwise.

[Anonymous No.6180325]

>>6180300

[Anonymous No.6180327]

>>6180304
>"To each according to his contribution
So you want social classes?
>if they aint a prole, fuck em
You actually like the lowest level of humanity? What would you do if six drunk labourers bashed you and your fellow 'intellectuals' outside a pub? Would you still love the poor?

[Anonymous No.6180334]

>>6180313
Non-argument.
>>6180319
>if you don't care about my feelings you are a moron
>>>/reddit/

[Anonymous No.6180341]

>>6180317
You don`t understand then that private property is not natural. Way how surplus of production is used defies all.

[Anonymous No.6180346]

>>6180309
Where was he in 1936? Not labouring.
Where was he in 1943? Not on the front line.
So much for a workers state.

[Anonymous No.6180349]

>>6180341
>naturalistic fallacy
It doesn't matter what is natural, faggot.

[Anonymous No.6180352]

>>6180334
I didn't say it was an argument, being a functioning sociopath is fine, have fun. Its inevitably going to be detrimental to your own well being when you go full patrick bateman, but thats not anybody elses problem.

[Anonymous No.6180355]

>>6180341

>private property isn't natural
ok bears aren't real then, neither are lions or wolf packs then or any predator for that matter. Territory is natural chimps attitudes completely change when they know they are in enemy territory. They judge the situation and either invade or retreat. They know that area is not theirs.

[Anonymous No.6180358]

>>6180349
That is exactly opposite of naturalist fallacy.(something is natural ergo good) You should go back to /pol/ since you don`t even know your fallacies.

[Anonymous No.6180369]

>>6180321
>China is being lead via democratic centralism
China's government is a corrupt as fuck single party state and there very much is an entrenched class of wealthy political elites, democratic centralism doesn't do shit to prevent this.

http://www.dw.de/chinas-elite-has-a-finger-in-every-pie/a-16365690
http://thediplomat.com/2014/01/chinese-elites-the-real-threat-to-the-communist-party/
http://tribune.com.pk/story/522700/chinas-new-political-elite/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2014/jan/21/china-british-virgin-islands-wealth-offshore-havens
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/chinese-elite-politics-its-still-mans-world

>If you can point out to single nation in history as your example of "failure" you are aware that it`s pretty narrow example?
Only if you're a goal post shifting commie.

[Anonymous No.6180372]

>>6180355
Social contract(will of sovereign in society) allows private property. This does not make it "natural right".

[Anonymous No.6180375]

>>6180358
You say property isn't natural, therefore you are saying the lack of property IS natural, and is good. But go ahead, keep saying that all your opposition is part of some boogeyman, McCarthy.

[Anonymous No.6180382]

>>6180372
Natural rights don't exist. You can only have what you can take or what others give you.

[Anonymous No.6180384]

>>6180369
They are known for purging the upper house form time to time. Sadly cultural revolution was the last big one.

>Only if you're a goal post shifting commie.

It was crisicism of your lack for evidence in larger scale, attacking against basis of your false thesis.

[Anonymous No.6180385]

>>6180372
A human abstraction so what? Its just some words that mean the same thing.

[Anonymous No.6180392]

>>6180382
Thus private property is not natural.
>>6180375
Again, you`re mixing private property with property in general.

[Anonymous No.6180394]

>>6180372
>Social contract(will of sovereign in society) allows private property. This does not make it "natural right".
Private property is a natural right in that its part of one's negative right to pursue property.

Locke > Hobbes.

[Anonymous No.6180399]

>>6180355
I think you're conflating some concepts here. Chimps and other animals don't have concept of property but territory. The things in the land and the land itself doesn't matter, it's the range, and the limits of this range are anything but permanent.

[Anonymous No.6180403]

>>6180385
No, it really dosen`t since naturality of private property was basis for whole argument.

[Anonymous No.6180406]

>>6180030
^^

[Anonymous No.6180417]

>>6180384
>Sadly cultural revolution was the last big one.
>tfw no more mango worship

[Anonymous No.6180419]

>>6180384
>They are known for purging the upper house form time to time. Sadly cultural revolution was the last big one.
Don't worry, anon, the next purge is coming, followed by the next CR.

[Anonymous No.6180429]

what else should I be
all ideology
what else could I say
everything's maymay
what else could I write
i don't have the right
what else should I be
all ideology

[Anonymous No.6180436]

>>6180394
Property is not sociopolitical recognition of rights, but keys. What you can lock and unlock is yours, which is why Daniel Dantas is the first private proprietor ever since the cannons of Babur smashed the castles of the Indian aristocracy.

Nick Land > Locke and Hobbes

[Anonymous No.6180438]

>>6180384
>They are known for purging the upper house form time to time.
Lotta good it does, a real permanent solution for sure.

>It was crisicism of your lack for evidence in larger scale
Gave plenty of evidence and examples bby.

>basis of your false thesis
Oh you butthurt fool you.

Regardless of the flavor, socialism and communism both carry the echo of the ghost of Marx's psychology, and both are designed to allow ruling classes of political elites (particularly bougies who absolve themselves from bougie status) to seize power and decide what they decide is "best" and "fair". You happily swallow, grin, and wipe your lips afterwards because they ask your opinion every few years in an election and call themselves a people's republic.

[Anonymous No.6180441]

>>6180346
Pol Pot, go to bed.

[Anonymous No.6180458]

>>6180438
You yourself has such limited vision when it comes to political organization of post-revolutionary workers republic.

[Anonymous No.6180474]

>>6180392
Who cares if something is natural or not?

[Anonymous No.6180480]

>>6180458
>You yourself has such limited vision when it comes to political organization of post-revolutionary workers republic.

Which "post-revolutionary workers republic" are we talking about? Do you even know? Are we talking about all of them now or just the special versions serving your flavor? Because I remember addressing those?

[Anonymous No.6180538]

>>6180283
>takes notion of 'earning' seriously
>accuses others of spookery

[Anonymous No.6180550]

>>6178859
You mean the wealth they stole?

[Anonymous No.6180559]

>>6180538
Earning means taking. Not earning means sitting back and waiting for people to give to you.

[Anonymous No.6180564]

>>6180550
>theft is wrong!1!!!1!
Spook.

[Anonymous No.6180567]

>>6178832
Yes indeed *oink*

This here imported mortadela bought with the money my parents earned through exploiting *oink* those poor, poor lazy construction workers sure tastes great! *oink*

>>6179321
>peacefully

Gorbachev would like a word with you

[Anonymous No.6180570]

>>6178832
I don't have a problem with capitalists (although I've never met one).
Corporate credit junkies, now...

[Anonymous No.6180581]

>>6180297

>"Everything is Spooks I tell you! listen to my relativistic and solipsist nonsense"-Stirner

>"Shut up bitch I have to economics to do and solve the contradiction of capitalism, the fate of humanity is in the ballance"-Marx

What basically happened, and I don't think it's arbitrary that Stirner is basically worshiped by nihilistic college drop outs that moved on to him after Ayn Rand, while Marx is studied in every econ and philosophy university department in the world.

[Anonymous No.6180583]

>I trade my labor to a company for money
>I have to produce more then I earn otherwise the business would fail and I wouldn't be able to make anymore money
>I am being exploited

[Anonymous No.6180608]

>>6180581
My school's philosophy department doesn't teach Marx, his philosophy is actually kind of garbage even though his analysis of the capitalist mode of production is generally spot on.

[Anonymous No.6180614]

>>6180583
>there are only one types of trade-offs

[Anonymous No.6180634]

>>6180559
>Earning means taking. Not earning means sitting back and waiting for people to give to you.
Conning the powers that be into egalitarianism is a form of taking. Minorities playing the race card and women crying oppressions are all valid methods. What you consider 'sitting back and waiting' is actually a sophisticated power play.

[Anonymous No.6180652]

>>6179581
I agree. Pigs are (given the chance) clean, social, intelligent animals. Comparing them to pondscum is insulting a noble animal.

[Anonymous No.6180654]

>>6178886
me too butterfly, me too.

[Anonymous No.6180657]

>>6180583

Unless you are the only worker in that business, then it's obvious that other workers contribute having the same working hours as you and pyramid structure of bosses and eventual CEOS who manage the company.

Just saying that you willingly "trade" your labour for money does not mean that you are not exploited by the one who gains the extra part of your labour by managing your job, and it does not mean that your amount of labour is equal to the monetary value of such a produced product, since exchange value is abstract and has nothing to do with real labour.

[Anonymous No.6180675]

>>6179213
Capitalism only seems to be working because the cruelty is pushed out of reach and out of sight from the western world. It's an unsustainable process which is cranking up the divide of wealth in foreign countries whilst limiting its workforces back home

[Anonymous No.6180677]

>>6179513
this. GOTTA RIDE THE TIGER

[Anonymous No.6180701]

>>6179513
>>6180677

It's good to see reptilian conservatives showing how blatantly amoral and nihilistic they are since essentialy the only defence in favour of their very own egoist "enjoy!" super ego is summed up with basically the same arguments as an Ayn Rand novel.

This is the kind of moral self-delusion Nietzsche warned about that leads to the nihilisticand hedonist last man.

[Anonymous No.6180702]

>>6180581
Philosophy departments teach modern analytic philosophy and modern economics does not include Marx.

[Anonymous No.6180703]

>>6180055
corporate creditism.
If you plow 100% of the profits of your privately owned business back in, you are practicing pure unadulterated capitalism.
And you will swiftly go under. Because you are in competition with others who will simply borrow ten times as much from the bank, and buy the modern equipment you would very much like to have, but can't afford.
And, thanks to fractional reserve banking, they are not even using someone elses capital. That remains safely in the bank, and the money they "borrowed" is simply writen into existance (further devalueing YOUR profits).
I don't know how you capitalism groupies don't get this.
Our society is as much honestly capitalist as it is honestly democratic.

[Anonymous No.6180716]

>>6180634
Yes, no method is invalid. Welcome to the real world, you child.

[Anonymous No.6180727]

>>6180703
so you've taken one macroecon 101 class and watched wolf of wall street?

[Anonymous No.6180736]

>>6180727
>capital is money
Fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.6180760]

>>6180185
>Socialism and communism lost man
It's not so much that socialism and communism lost (man), rather that your governments propaganda brainwashing program worked.

[Anonymous No.6180778]

>>6180703

Capitalism is not a philosophy of what you dream and what you essentaily want to be.

Capitalism at it's very elementary definition is mode of exchange and a description on who owns the means of productions.

There are a dozen different hybrid versions of capitalism from Keynesianism to the Nordic Socialist model.

Also Capitalism was created because of banking and the mercantilist theory which gave way to it. There is no such thing as garnering 100% of profits in a monetary system. The only way to get 100% of value form a product is through essentially bartering, but in a free exchange economy you need a Fixed exchange-rate so that values don't become arbitrary and this existed just as much 200 years ago as it is today.

[Anonymous No.6180784]

>>6180760
>only I and people who share my opinions are immune to brainwashing

[Anonymous No.6180799]

>>6180219
It's not so much that I'm against winning and losing per se. It's just that whenever I meet someone who claims to be a "winner" on the internet, they are such insufferably smug cunts about it, I just want to smash their faces in for jeering at people who weren't quite as lucky (yes...lucky. Lots of people work harder than you clowns, and some don't make it, because luck IS involved in the success process)
It makes me wonder how damaging competition is to the human psyche, if the winners are hated, and the losers are depressed.
Maybe there's a bettter way?

[Anonymous No.6180801]

>>6180784

The strongest ideology today is the ideology of cosnumerism, it permates every aspect of our lives and product fetishism has reached religious levels of worship.

You thinking that being against political authoritarianism acounts originary thinking with regards to what people should want is equivalent to the pleb teenager who read 1984 and thinks he "understood how goverment works".

[Anonymous No.6180817]

>>6180327

>implying I'm not a prole
>implying I'm an intellectual
>implying proles are the "lowest of humanity" and not decadent bourgeois and bureaucrats
>implying I wouldn't get drunk and bash intellectuals

[Anonymous No.6180818]

>>6180801
Why do you think your opinion is more valid than those who support consumerism or any other ideology other than Marxism?

[Anonymous No.6180826]

>>6180817
Get back to work, then, scum.

[Anonymous No.6180842]

>>6180327
>So you want social classes?
Brah, the bourgeoisie are fucking parasites. They're lazy, decadent, and frivolous. Their only contribution to society is intellectual crap, and that's only because they have the free time (because they're lazy and the workers do all the work) and because university is fucking expensive and workers have trouble paying for that shit. They take everything but contribute nothing.

on a related note, hippies belong in the gulag. hippies are bourgeois as fuck

[Anonymous No.6180845]

>>6180778
>Also Capitalism was created because of banking and the mercantilist theory which gave way to it.

No, capitalism was born when the King of England dissolved the monasteries and granted the Church lands to his cronies, who then proceeded to enclose them and use them as they saw fit, ignoring feudal and common rights of the peasants.

There was no theory creating capitalism, the first one who realized what was going on was Adam Smith, 200 years later.

[Anonymous No.6180855]

>>6180801
Consumerism is another boogeyman, it doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.6180856]

>>6180842
But you still want social classes determined by contribution. You just like ugly, stupid workers.

[Anonymous No.6180872]

>>6180309
Comrade, Stalin's father owned a factory, and was raised petty-bourgeois.

But track record for class backgrounds for leading communists have never been great. Marx and Engels came from well off families. Lenin was literally an aristocrat. Trotsky and Luxemburg were children of landlords. Che was upper-middle class. Hell, so many activists were bourgeois that people went ecstatic over the first real proletarian party leader in the SPD, Bebels.

[Anonymous No.6180873]

>>6180727
I haven't taken ANY econ 101 classes, because I'm not from your shitty country. And I don't need a college approved certificate to prove I know how the world works.
But you keep waving that high school diploma around. I'm sure someone will be impressed.
Eventually.

[Anonymous No.6180892]

>>6180778
Way to go for completely failing to understand my point.
Here, let me spell it out for you.
YOU do not know how the system works, because YOU haven't observed the system in operation and figured it out. Instead, what you have done is observe the system, and then tried to match it against the various models you were told about in school (none of which is accurate...hence the mess the economy is in).
One of these approaches is called thinking.
The other is called parroting.
And it really doesn't matter whether you understand the terms used or not when you are parroting. Because you never learned how to figure it out for yourself, you lack certain critical skills which will forever prevent you from expanding your intellectual boundaries beyond well-defined borders.

[Anonymous No.6180898]

>>6180784
Who said that? Every communist comes from a capitalist society but they managed (despite the best efforts of capitalist business and government) to learn about communism and agree with its conclusions, generally because they see the Marxist analysis and criticism of capitalism is correct, and then they see clearly how they and everyone around them have been deliberately lead away from these ideas. Communists are well aware that they are anything but immune to liberal brainwashing since they survived it.

[Anonymous No.6180906]

>>6180855
You're not even trying

[Anonymous No.6180912]

>>6180898
Maybe other people just see through the unfalsifiable dogma of historical and dialectical materialism.

[Anonymous No.6180917]

>>6180210
>China
>market socialism
>socialism
revisionist shill please go

[Anonymous No.6180918]

>>6180784
What a crock of shit!
You don't even know what my opinions are.

Seriously, if this is all you can manage, maybe you should fuck off to reddit, or something.

[Anonymous No.6180923]

>>6180918
Maybe you should go to r/communism, Ahuviya.

[Anonymous No.6180934]

>>6180855

[Anonymous No.6180940]

>>6180210
>china
>socialist

[Anonymous No.6180944]

>>6180934
Pseudo-intellectual charlatan.

[Anonymous No.6180946]

>>6180923
Wow! you managed to sink even lower!!
Keep going, please. I believe your next port of call is "your mom".

[Anonymous No.6180952]

>>6180940
>>6180917
China is communist

1.China is lead by Communist Party
2.That makes marxism mandotory subject in school,just like Poland did under communism along SU
3.Strict party discipline
4.Ideological debate within the party
5. Party is ruled by democratic centralism(marxist-leninist practice, used on SU)
6.National congress and polibyro meetings are limited to few days(just like in SU)
7.Multiple parties form "United front".(For example National congress of SU had 23% of it`s members as independents and not members of any party)
8.State owns nearly all land in country collectively

>state has monopoly on nearly every major industry(such as steel production for example)
>state owns 48% of companies in China
>Nationalization is common if company grows large enough

[Anonymous No.6180953]

>>6180279
>capitalism still exists
>man, why do anti-capitalists exist

[Anonymous No.6180954]

>>6180946

[Anonymous No.6180961]

>>6180954
>this is what pol considers an argument

[Anonymous No.6180967]

>>6180961
>everything I don't like is /pol/
I'm pretty sure /pol/ is dominated by socialists.

[Anonymous No.6180968]

Who else here expects a revolution in the next 30 years?
>mfw

[Anonymous No.6180970]

>>6180088
>average person
The exploited third world makes up roughly 80% of the population.

Your amerikkkan petty bourgeois is far from the 'average person'

[Anonymous No.6180974]

>>6180968
Soon, Comrade.

[Anonymous No.6180978]

>>6180954
That's not my mom

[Anonymous No.6180980]

>>6180967
confirmed for never having visited the stormfront hugbox

[Anonymous No.6180981]

>>6180968
>mfw once our industries are totally automated the proles will be culled and, eventually, exterminated

[Anonymous No.6180983]

>>6180968
>mfw

[Anonymous No.6180985]

>>6180974
I'm not even a commie but it feels good knowing everyone I don't like could potentially be executed as enemies of the revolution

[Anonymous No.6180986]

>>6180872
>Stalin's father owned a factory
Wrong; his father briefly owned a workshop that he worked at as a cobbler and his mother was a (former-)serf. The business went under early in Stalin's life and he (his father) eventually worked purely as a laborer for the rest of his days and cut off money to Stalin and his mother when she insisted he stick with education instead of becoming a cobbler. Stalin in his early years was a student at seminary, having earned a scholarship to study, but after he dropped out of the seminary he took up work as a clerk at which time he also became a full time revolutionary. He worked at an oil refinery where he organized workers and he would later work as editor of Pravda. The man was not bourgeois nor petty-bourgeois, but for perhaps a brief moment.

[Anonymous No.6180989]

>>6180980
It's full of nationalist socialists, though. So is stormfront.

[Anonymous No.6180990]

>>6180981
If there's hope, it lies in the proles

[Anonymous No.6180991]

>>6180980
I just realized what I wrote.
Sorry /lit/. Imust be very tired.

[Anonymous No.6180992]

>>6180952
>that pic

moar

[Anonymous No.6180995]

>>6180952
>China is communist
learn to mode of production.
everything that determines a capitalist society is in China. Capital accumulation, capitalist market competition, bourgeois control of the means of production, legal guerintee of private property, state apparatus that exists to reinforce the bourgeois order, exploitation, the contradiction between capital and labour, and much more still are prevalent in China.

All what you listed is largely irrelevent, as none of those tenents, coming from an actual communist, determine leftist communism as an ideology. Also, state-operated enterprises and organizations do not constitute socialism, as as long as capitalist relations (which define what capitalism is, btw) exist, then so does capitalism. also, state-ownership =/= social ownership. The state, according to the marxist perspective outlined by Lenin in State and Revolution, is ultimately an organ of class domination. The state that is China does not serve the interests of labor, but capital, so it is irrelevent how much of China is nationalized.

[Anonymous No.6180997]

>>6180990
Hope for an ugly, anti-intellectual society.
>>6180986
His father was a wealthy haberdasher.

[Anonymous No.6181000]

>>6180657
>that picture

I understand the necessity of cutting out the middle man in an operation, but cutting off the head? Leadership is more than just sitting behind a desk and watching the little ants work. It's about figuring out how to distribute manpower. It's about making sure workers are doing their job so you don't waste your time and theirs'. It's about not making a worker do something the leader would not do himself.

Of course there are people that spit on that idea and think leadership means "I say it and you do it." But those people are also never considered good businessmen and their position of leadership inevitably falls because the proletariat gets pissed at the little man on his high horse and finds some way or another to remove him from it.

[Anonymous No.6181001]

>>6180986
Anyway, that's just setting the record straight. It wouldn't matter if he and Marx and every Marxist thinker were full-on royalty, what matters is those that were bourgeois were class-traitors. Class essentialism is an incorrect view.

[Anonymous No.6181002]

>>6180981
>tfw vastly outnumbering the bourgeoisie, thus making this impossible
>>6180983
>mfw the Jedi were aristocratic tyrants who probably let the Sith exist just so they would preserve the status quoe

[Anonymous No.6181005]

>>6180981
Who's going to cull the workers?
Oh, that's right. The indolent, smug cunts
(presumably between games of squash, eh?)

We'll be waiting.

[Anonymous No.6181007]

>>6180567
>he thinks he's funny

Get the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.6181009]

>>6180997
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Besarion_Jughashvili

[Anonymous No.6181012]

>>6181002
If the scum outnumbering the wealthy is such an advantage, why haven't you taken over yet? You'll die like the plebs you are.

[Anonymous No.6181015]

>Communism
>Working

Hehehe, you should try some history books some time. They are more worthwhile than babby philosophy.

[Anonymous No.6181021]

>>6181012
Keep telling yourself that, pig.

[Anonymous No.6181022]

>>6181009
>wikipedia
lel
>>6181005
Who owns the weapons? Who owns the machines? Who owns the fully automated industries?

[Anonymous No.6181029]

>>6180940
>>6180995
Quit being pedantic: China is economically capitalist for the sake of developing socialism, in accordance with orthodox Marxism.

[Anonymous No.6181030]

>>6180997
>Hope for an ugly, anti-intellectual society.
Well done for not recognising the quote.
Presumably you'd prefer the not ugly, not anti-intellectual utopia of big brother?

[Anonymous No.6181032]

>>6181021
You're the one in the mud, though.

[Anonymous No.6181033]

>>6181022
>wikipedia
Yes, because you're being obtuse and keep saying things that even Wikipedia could tell you aren't true.

[Anonymous No.6181040]

>>6181033
>he uses wikipedo as a source

[Anonymous No.6181041]

>>6181029

but how are they going to stir a revolution if their citizens aren't allowed to own guns? The communist officials are becoming a super Bourgeois.

[Anonymous No.6181044]

>>6180992
This is unfortunately SFW board anon.

[Anonymous No.6181045]

I hate politics, it's just a bunch of feelings, especially communism.

[Anonymous No.6181046]

>>6180952
>1.China is lead by Communist Party
The name of the party is irrelevent. In Australia, the dominant conservative party is called the "Liberal Party"
>2.That makes marxism mandotory subject in school,just like Poland did under communism along SU
The ideology of China is "socialism with Chinese Charactersitics" which only pays lips service to marxism as a means of legitimization. the ideology in truth, has abandoned core marxist ideas such as class struggle (replaced with the "harmonious society"), egalitarianism, and workers control of the means of production
>3.Strict party discipline
Fascists also have strict party discipline. Fascists are not communists.
>4.Ideological debate within the party
Every party, regardless of ideology, has ideological debate.
>5. Party is ruled by democratic centralism(marxist-leninist practice, used on SU)
irrelevent. Democratic centralism is central to marxism. It's just a form of organization, and others who are not communists have used it as well
>6.National congress and polibyro meetings are limited to few days(just like in SU)
Every political party has congesses, bro
>7.Multiple parties form "United front".(For example National congress of SU had 23% of it`s members as independents and not members of any party)
They're just doing it to legitimize their self proclaimed "Mao tse-tung thought" for legitimization. Besides, there are plenty of marxists who loathe united front organizations.
>8.State owns nearly all land in country collectively
>>6180995

[Anonymous No.6181050]

>>6181000
You are right about all of those things, of course (apart from the title...those guys are not leaders, they are managers...as are all politicians).
It still doesn't ( and never will) justify them getting 100 times what the guys on the shop floor get.
They are just another cog in the machine, and should get over themselves.

[Anonymous No.6181051]

>>6181041
Nobody should own guns. Look at Amurrica, ffs.

[Anonymous No.6181054]

>>6180912
That's theoretically possible, but it's not the case, as most people under capitalism can't even explain what communism is and fewer have any idea how wrong nearly all of the information they've been fed about communism is.

[Anonymous No.6181056]

>>6181046
>In Australia, the dominant conservative party is called the "Liberal Party"
No, the Liberals are liberals, not conservatives. Liberalism, outside of the US, means they value less economic restrictions.

[Anonymous No.6181057]

>>6181022
>Who owns the weapons? Who owns the machines? Who owns the fully automated industries?
Under the bourgeois state, the capitalists
Under the workers' state, the workers

[Anonymous No.6181059]

>>6181051
marx was pro gun, how can you be a revolutionary and not own a gun?

[Anonymous No.6181064]

>>6181012
Maybe we're just not aggressive, snatchy cunts?
Ever considered that? No...of course you haven't.

[Anonymous No.6181066]

>>6181040
>He can't cite anything for his claims so he hopes that by saying "lyl wikepeda" that everyone will ignore that he's merely grandstanding for his ideological purity

[Anonymous No.6181072]

>>6181064
This thread would suggest otherwise.
>>6181057
The workers state requires the idiots, the proles, to take over. How will they do that without weapons?

[Anonymous No.6181073]

>>6181040
>he doesn't use a source

[Anonymous No.6181076]

>>6180985
People`s justice.

[Anonymous No.6181080]

>>6181056
Liberals being lazzei-fairre is an antiquated term.
the Australian Liberal Party are conservatives, through and through.

[Anonymous No.6181081]

>>6181044
>that literally made up artist profile on her site
I'm surprised Americans haven't made a blockbuster 3-part epic about her life.

[Anonymous No.6181083]

What would you do if, following a communist revolution, the state, or majority or whatever, wanted to execute you for not following the dogma correctly?

[Anonymous No.6181084]

>>6181044
now that's what i call cultural revolution

[Anonymous No.6181086]

>>6181084

[Anonymous No.6181087]

>>6181080
Only to Americans who don't understand political terms. The Liberals are definitely liberal, there is no question.

[Anonymous No.6181090]

>>6181072
>How will they do that without weapons?
Whoever said we won't use weapons? The only people who posit communism as anti-gun are ignorant anti-communists.

[Anonymous No.6181092]

>>6180981
If that happens they don't have a market to peddle their shit too.

>inb4 they don't need a market any more the production of their automatised stuff brings them everything they need

That would be communism.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.6181098]

>>6181086
She seems to be lesbian too :)

[Anonymous No.6181099]

>>6181080
You mean neo-liberals.

[Anonymous No.6181106]

>>6181092
>implying a fully automated society would have scarcity
>>6181090
Sorry, but the army is owned by the wealthy and the government has taken most of the guns. Unless you buy them from anti-communist America you're fucked.

[Anonymous No.6181110]

>>6181086
where do i sign up for communism?

[Anonymous No.6181113]

>>6181099
Only Amerifats use that term. You also think libertarians aren't communists.

[Anonymous No.6181117]

>>6181110
In a communist world the most historically oppressed will get the best women. You, as a cis white male, will get trans women while black men get the first choice of women.

[Anonymous No.6181120]

>>6181106
>>implying a fully automated society would have scarcity
That's my point. Culling the plebs or emancipating the plebs would have the same result within a generation in the case of full automatisation. In both cases you end up with a bunch of people no longer divided by economic class.

[Anonymous No.6181122]

>>6181120
But we don't have the scum, the stupid and ugly workers.

[Anonymous No.6181125]

>>6181117
In free society of comradeship relationships are free, and state encourages proletariat to have personal relationships of many sorts.

[Anonymous No.6181126]

>marxism thread

>>>/pol/ is that way >>>

[Anonymous No.6181130]

>>6181125
Only once the white male is made extinct for his past oppression of women and pocs.

[Anonymous No.6181138]

>>6181029
nonsense
China does not call itself capitalist; the Party still considers, to a certain extent, China to be socialist. China, by all means, is not socialist.
China is not developing to any form of "socialism" There is nothing in Chinese doctrine that point to China developing to any sort of communist society beyond utopian nonsense. All that's developing in China is more exploitation.

[Anonymous No.6181140]

>>6181122
>class war causes proletariat to be underfed and uneducated
>"lol, fucking poor people" say those whose death is on the horizon

[Anonymous No.6181144]

>>6181130
You're confusing American liberalism with actual leftism again, /pol/.

[Anonymous No.6181146]

>>6181126
>/pol/
>having an actual intelligent discussion about marxism
chose one

[Anonymous No.6181147]

>>6181130
No, those are concepts of bourgeois cultural hegemony, comrade.

[Anonymous No.6181149]

>>6181144
I'm not from /pol/, enough with your boogeyman tactics, reddit.

[Anonymous No.6181150]

>>6181122
No, you just have the Kardashians.

[Anonymous No.6181152]

>>6181126
/pol/ is Politically INCORRECT, while Marxism is inherently politically correct, and therefore Marxism does not belong there.

Also, Marxism is not a political, but a philosophical ideology, and thus belongs with philosophy on /lit/.

[Anonymous No.6181156]

>>6181147
The white race is literally fucking evil. They need to be bred out of existence. That's why my bf is black :)

[Anonymous No.6181161]

>>6181152

"Correct" according to what metric?

[Anonymous No.6181163]

>>6181150
Who? I'm not American so I don't care about nouveau riche niggers.

[Anonymous No.6181165]

>>6181015

[Anonymous No.6181169]

>>6181165
I wonder how many 'equals' of the state died to make that.

[Anonymous No.6181171]

>>6181152
>Marxism is inherently politically correct
man, I wish Marxism was politically correct. All I get from liberals is muh authoritarianism, and bullshit about bourgeoisie are people toooo

[Anonymous No.6181173]

>>6181152
'Politically incorrect' is some edgy shit they like to say so it makes their dumb opinions (many of which are fairly mainstream) sound revolutionary.
>>6181156
Nice try, bourgie, but your class division tactics don't work here.

[Anonymous No.6181174]

>>6181156
Race is just a social concept, created to seperate workers of all races and creeds just like religion is part of this division tactic comrade.

Please wake up that there is only singular cultural homogeneity within revolutionary society.

[Anonymous No.6181177]

>>6181152
>while Marxism is inherently politically correct
Only a paranoid delusional would think this is true of North America and Europe.

[Anonymous No.6181178]

>>6181171
People don't generally like genocide. Especially Ukrainians.

[Anonymous No.6181179]

>>6181022
>Who owns the weapons?
In a revolution? Whoever's holding them.
You seriously think you and your white shoe boyfriends are gonna take on the lumpen proletariat?

(and you think we're deluded)

[Anonymous No.6181180]

>>6181169
I wonder how many enemies of the people died to make that.
There, fixed it for you

[Anonymous No.6181181]

>>6181152
>Marxism
>politically correct
Of course not. These mean stalinists/radicals would ruin PC feel-good politics with actual revolution

[Anonymous No.6181182]

>>6181171

>liberals
>Marxism

learn what the terms signify before engaging in conversation, dipshit

[Anonymous No.6181183]

>>6181146
>/lit/
>having an actual intelligent discussion about anything
chose one

the only reason you faggots get away with this shit is because the entire moderation staff on /lit/ are raving marxists

[Anonymous No.6181185]

marxism a shit

[Anonymous No.6181186]

>>6181163
My point is that doing away with the proles won't solve anything since most of the upper classes are vapid, indolent cunts.

[Anonymous No.6181187]

>>6181174
No, whites are just fucking shit. That's why they fucking rape indigenous people. They will only fuck up our communist society with racism, rape, christianity and their lack of fucking culture.

[Anonymous No.6181194]

daily reminder that socialism has been btfo for over 30 years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPJWwiKnYGs

[Anonymous No.6181199]

>>6181194
>Austrian School
>ever

[Anonymous No.6181200]

>>6181178
>genocide
>Ukranians
Don't people realize that the Ukranian national identity was literally created during the early Soviet period, before the Great Turn. Hell, nothing in the communist ideology necessitates any sort of ethnic killings, so that falls apart. I mean sure, it is correct to blame economic mismanagement for the famine, but holy hell, noone WANTED the famine to happen, let alone happen to a specific people.

[Anonymous No.6181203]

>>6181187
How can be build our society truly as paradise of workers by including it from some proletariat?

[Anonymous No.6181204]

>>6181183
>>>/gulag/

[Anonymous No.6181207]

>>6181178
Unfortunately many Ukrainians were and are very fond of genocide, hence the historical and contemporary presence of Nazi and neo-Nazi elements in Ukrainian society and politics. Interestingly they ignore their own complacency with genocide against minorities while continuing to sell the idea that a naturally occurring famine was actually the people that liberated them from the genocidal maniacs trying to kill them.

[Anonymous No.6181209]

>>6181186
You'd really rather have a drunken brawl at the pub after work than a cultured upper class? Plebius maximus.

[Anonymous No.6181210]

>>6181182
>liberals
>Marxism

learn what the terms signify before engaging in conversation, dipshit

Right back at you, dipshit.

[Anonymous No.6181213]

>>6181207
Why do socialists love genocide? The USSR and National Socialists both seemed to.

[Anonymous No.6181216]

>>6181122
Sometimes, the scum rises to the top of the pond, anon

[Anonymous No.6181217]

>>6181187
>No, whites are just fucking shit.
True, but it's learned behavior, they can work past it, same with all people. I know you're being sarcastic, don't blow a fuse.

[Anonymous No.6181219]

>>6181209
>cultured upper class
We aren't in the 19th century any more, lad.

[Anonymous No.6181220]

>>6181213
>fascists
>socialist

libertarian shill pls go

[Anonymous No.6181226]

>>6181213
There is no proof of Ukrainian "genocide" since it was not planned attack, but follow up form bad harvest during that year(Soviets were lacking in their emergency grain supply at time)

[Anonymous No.6181227]

>>6181219
>implying anyone in America is upper class
They'll be the first to go in the bourgeois revolution.

[Anonymous No.6181230]

Marxists in 2015
Lel
never change /lit/

[Anonymous No.6181231]

>>6181220
>National Socialists
>not socialists
Kek. And I'm not a libertarian, I dislike all adherents of Marx and his successors. Remember, burger clap, that libertarians are anarcho-communists.

[Anonymous No.6181232]

>>6181227
>bourgeois revolution
Reading too much Ayn Rand, kiddo?

[Anonymous No.6181234]

>>6181227
>>implying anyone in America is upper class

A majority of amerika is petty bourgeois.

[Anonymous No.6181235]

>>6181230
You will always be here with us, not the other way around, comrade.

[Anonymous No.6181236]

>>6181169
Do you seriously think that Stalin sacrificed workers lives to make cathedrals for the...er, workers.
Sorry, does not compute.
And do you know how many chinese and Irish labourers died constructing the NY public transport system?
Wave your uneducated bias someplace else.

[Anonymous No.6181239]

>>6181232
Who? Wasn't she that liberal Jew? I am far from liberal. I am closer to a communist than to a liberal. I just want to eliminate the vulgar classes.

[Anonymous No.6181244]

>>6181226
comrade, it wasn't just a lacking in grain supply
The Gosplan predicted more harvest than what actually was harvested, so the state extracted more than what people needed to eat

[Anonymous No.6181248]

>>6181234
>nouveau riche
>bourgeois
Top kek
Fucking Americans, always worth a laugh.
>>6181236
>Stalin was building for the workers

[Anonymous No.6181254]

>>6181244
You're no different from holocaust deniers.
>it was just typhus
lmao

[Anonymous No.6181258]

>>6181106
the government hasn't taken most of the guns
I mean they try, but the libs haven't done it yet
But yeah, communists like me have no problem buying guns from anti-communists as long as we promise ourselves we'll shoot them later.

[Anonymous No.6181260]

Let's fix US economy. I'll start

1. Repeal all forms of welfare; institute negative income tax in their place. Cap positive income tax rate at 25% of income.

2. Abolish Social Security. Give everyone who has paid into the system a bond for the amount that will mature when they reach 65 years old, and get rid of the program.

3. Repeal Controlled Substances Act. Abolish FDA, DEA and ATF

4. Repeal Minimum Wage Act. Abolish minimum wage regulations.

5. ???

[Anonymous No.6181266]

>>6181254
Difference is that Holocaust has evidence for it, unlike this "Ukrainian genocide". Genocide does imply planning behind the killing.

[Anonymous No.6181267]

>>6181258
Yes they have, only farmers and immigrants from eastern Europe have guns now.

[Anonymous No.6181271]

>>6181254
>You're no different from holocaust deniers.
dude, I just blamed the famine on the failures of the Soviet state , how am I no different from holocaust deniers?

[Anonymous No.6181272]

>>6181266
I guess if you deny all the evidence that statement becomes true.

[Anonymous No.6181274]

>>6181209
>a cultured upper class?
You wanna know how they got to be the "upper class"?
That's right. Drunken brawls on battlefields.
(oh, and coming round your ancestors hut threatening to stab his kids with a big rusty sword unless he bows down and hands over all his money).
I'd rather have the proletariat. At least he'll only hospitalize you if you call him a cunt to his face, rather than because he wants to steal all your stuff.

[Anonymous No.6181275]

>>6181271
The only 'failure' in the eyes of the Soviet state, was not exterminating them all.

[Anonymous No.6181281]

>>6181267
Oh, I thought you were talking about America.
woops

[Anonymous No.6181283]

>>6181272
Genocide needs to recognized by UN to be considered genocide it`s legal definition not just word to be thrown around.

[Anonymous No.6181284]

>>6181274
>You wanna know how they got to be the "upper class"?
>That's right. Drunken brawls on battlefields.
>(oh, and coming round your ancestors hut threatening to stab his kids with a big rusty sword unless he bows down and hands over all his money).
Any evidence for this? You wanna know how they got to be the "upper class"?
That's right. Drunken brawls on battlefields.
(oh, and coming round your ancestors hut threatening to stab his kids with a big rusty sword unless he bows down and hands over all his money).
Any historical or archaeological evidence for this?
>I'd rather have the proletariat. At least he'll only hospitalize you if you call him a cunt to his face, rather than because he wants to steal all your stuff.
Yeah, poor people never kill each other. lmao

[Anonymous No.6181287]

>>6181260
>>>/pol/

I mean seriously, this has absolutely nothing to do with the OP

[Anonymous No.6181292]

>>6181287

And this fucking OP has nothing to do with literature, so why don't you faggots get the fuck out?

[Anonymous No.6181293]

>>6181283
>>>/pol/
Go deny genocides there, please.

[Anonymous No.6181294]

>>6181227
you don't know who those peole are, do you?

[Anonymous No.6181300]

>>6181294
Those are two members of the British and Commonwealth royal family with some natives or Americans.

[Anonymous No.6181303]

>>6181293

we only deny genocides that didn't actually happen

fortunately, these do not fall into that category

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

[Anonymous No.6181308]

>>6181303
>we only deny genocides that we deny happened

[Anonymous No.6181313]

>>6181248
>Stalin was building for the workers
given that the workers then used the system, yes.
But you mean he did it for the PR value, don't you?
Well so what? You telling me the "freedom tower" isn't partly a PR stunt? Architectural showing off?
Like I said before, wave your uneducated bias someplace else

[Anonymous No.6181333]

>>6181284
>Any evidence for this?
er...history books?

I'm not being funny here, but you really need to pull your head out of your ass on this one. Even their own accounts tell it this way.
The upper class in Europe are actually PROUD they "subdued" the little people, and terrorized their way to the top.

Or do you imagine we all saw their strong manly jaws, and decided to give them all the posh stuff, because we're quasi-gay beta's?

Grow up, or fuck of back to /pol/, kintergarten klown.

[Anonymous No.6181339]

>>6181275
What? I mean, the famine happened, and it was terrible, but the Soviets weren't trying to kill all the Ukranians. Hell, in the years prior, up until the Great Turn, the Soviet Union actually promoted Ukranian nationalism because of Leninist self-determination.

[Anonymous No.6181340]

>>6181313
>America did the same thing, but I like Stalin's and not theirs
You are the biased one. I don't like either of them.

[Anonymous No.6181341]

>>6181300
congrats! you found google reverse image search.
Give yourself a twinkie (hell, have two...you earned it)

[Anonymous No.6181344]

>>6181333
What 'history books'? Oh yeah, you have no source for your ahistorical posturing so you're going to cry about the /pol/ boogeyman again.

[Anonymous No.6181349]

>>6181341
A what? Isn't that a feminine, young gay? I already knew about the British and Commonwealth royal family, my royal family is distantly related to them.

[Anonymous No.6181350]

>>6181340
I don't like either. I was replying to a post claiming communism doesn't work.
Your bias seems to be deciding what my bias is without checking first.
That's called being stupid. You should get it seen to.

[Anonymous No.6181357]

>>6181350
Why do you post Stalin's tunnel as a positive then?

[Anonymous No.6181390]

>>6181344
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_I_of_England

I know it's wikipedia, but I can't be bothered pulling up anything else at 5 am (especially for someone who's demanding I do all his research before he'll stop being a delusional twat).
This is Richard the 1st. He was an absolute cunt, and came from a line of absolute cunts (psychopathy is an inheritable trait, y'know).
His family intermarried with other violent cunts, who were constantly fighting to see who could be the greediest cunt, and killing anyone who got in their way (it's called feudalism...look it up). They ran a selective breeding program for centuries, which evolve into the "upper class".
If you can't get your head round the idea that royal perogative HAS to come from threats of violence and intimidation mixed with blame-shifting bullshit, then you perhaps need to get the fuck off /lit/ and visit /mlp/ until your head clears.

[Anonymous No.6181397]

>>6181390
>the King went around to other peoples 'huts' threatening them with rusty swords