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[Anonymous No.6174894]

>Anti art
>Anti anti art
>Anti anti anti art

[Anonymous No.6174901]

Don't people realise that whenever people get mad about this, they are achieving the exact aim of the work?

[Anonymous No.6174910]

surrealism and anti-art are probably some of the most important artistic revolutions because by then art became about more than just about painting for the bourgeois

[Anonymous No.6174927]

>>6174901
sorry, square. what's the matter? too meaningless for you? i'll have you know i mastered dada. i am a dada master. you don't have the cerebral willpower to even comprehend my memes. nothing personnel, kid.

t. dada master

[Anonymous No.6174935]

>>6174910
Yeah, it became doing any kind of lazy bullshit for the bourgeois.

[Anonymous No.6174945]

>>6174901
precisely

the point was to piss off the people that enjoyed classic art

[Anonymous No.6174951]

>>6174935

not at all
this was when art became about actual feeling and conviction

[Anonymous No.6174990]

I don't see how this Stieglitz photograph is anti-art.

[Anonymous No.6175024]

>>6174951
It was always about that, only that technical execution was much more important, while the balance changed in most modern art.
Do you think painters like Bosch or Goya, for instance, didn't put any feeling or personal conviction in their art? It might not be as blunt as it is in modern art, but it's there.

[Anonymous No.6175034]

>>6175024
I'm not saying every 'old' artist didn't put in emotion but most didn't

Bosch especially put a lot into his work
the Garden of Earthly Delights is perhaps one of the best pieces of art ever created in any medium (painting, writing, etc.)

[Anonymous No.6175046]

>>6174945
Why did he wanted to do that ;_;??

[Anonymous No.6175054]

>>6175034
Most old artist were hacks doing it for the money, just like they are nowadays. At least back then they had to be technically good.

[Anonymous No.6175064]

>>6175054
>tfw all you want is to have artistic convictions that won't sell out for money
>tfw all you want it to make money doing what you love
>tfw this almost never happens for anyone, ever

[Anonymous No.6175070]

Could the same critique that nietzsche had on wagner's music be applied to modern art? too much meaning leaving the aesthetic side on a secondary level of importance

[Anonymous No.6175076]

>>6175046
surrealists enjoyed pissing people off

[Anonymous No.6175085]

>>6175054
Now artists have to be clever instead, but it's still for show.

[Anonymous No.6175086]

>>6175046
Because he felt disgusted that the upper class felt more of an emotion response to a painting of flowers than to the millions being killed in a war ravaging the continent.

[Anonymous No.6175088]

>>6175070
what is more important in art; aesthetics or meaning?

[Anonymous No.6175097]

>>6175076
t-thats not very n-nice...

[Anonymous No.6175100]

>>6175088
Not that guy, but I think there has to be a balance. Not something like 50/50 but enough of one to support the other.

[Anonymous No.6175103]

>>6175097
neither were they

while their art was genius
they were pricks

[Anonymous No.6175111]

>>6175088
Neither.

[Anonymous No.6175114]

>>6175088
60% meaning 40% aesthetics

[Anonymous No.6175121]

>>6175088
You can't exactly disregard either, but if I had to I'd say aesthetics is more important. It's what makes art, art.

[Anonymous No.6175133]

>>6175088
anyone who says meaning is a philistine and needs to read Wilde's essays on art and aestheticism.

[Anonymous No.6175135]

>>6175088
Nietzsche said (concerning music) that making the aesthetic side of art a mimic of the message (like the looney tunes music that goes copying what the characters are doing) makes it a poor representation of that message and that message is also a poor representation of reality making music a bad copy of a copy, so in his vision music or aesthetics that are independent of message (but you can give it to it, like in the case he's analyzing, the greek tragedy) is a far better form of art because it evokes the meaning within you.

[Anonymous No.6175150]

>>6175088
low quality bait

[Anonymous No.6175160]

>>6174935
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little realist? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in Bauhaus, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret meetings of Dadaists, and I have over 300 confirmed sound poems. I am trained in drip painting and I’m the top futurist in the entire Europe. You are nothing to me but just another pleb who can't into Duchamp. I will throw paint the fuck over you with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with displaying that shit in a gallery? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of Dadaists across Europe and your paint supplier is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, fountain. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your art. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can paint a square in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in performance art, but I have access to the entire train recordings by Pierre Schaeffer and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your paint off the face of the canvas, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “pretty” painting was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking brush. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.6175163]

Dadaism is the biggest meme genre of all time

[Anonymous No.6175183]

>>6175160
>I can paint a square in over 700 ways
top kek

[Anonymous No.6175185]

>>6175088
Viewing them as separare shows how we moderns are decadent and uncultured compared to the Greeks and the renaissance

[Anonymous No.6175191]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbuk6tjyB2M

[Anonymous No.6175196]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRPmjlqBFXQ

[Anonymous No.6175226]

>>6175196
If you cant laugh at the rape and murder of children how can you call yourself postmodern?

[Anonymous No.6175533]

>>6175088
They arent separate.

[Anonymous No.6175567]

>>6175088
100% pure aesthetics, meaning is for plebs

[Anonymous No.6175613]

>>6175196
>Implying you didn't laugh the first time he says "African American".

[Anonymous No.6175630]

>>6175088
>what is more important in art; aesthetics or meaning?

Using the semicolon properly, which you have not.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.6175642]

>>6175613
I didn't. "Error in judgement" however...

[Anonymous No.6176290]

>>6175533
>arent
believing they aren't makes you a huge pleb

[Anonymous No.6176300]

>>6175088
Aesthetics then meaning, bit by aesthetics I really mean skill.

[Anonymous No.6176330]

are you guys saying that art shouldn't have a meaning?

[Anonymous No.6176335]

[Anonymous No.6176338]

anything and everything is art

if something isn't then nothing is

[Anonymous No.6176341]

>>6176335
kek, saying that art isn't subjective

[Anonymous No.6176348]

>>6176341
Honk, being so stupid as to not being able to create an object criteria in which to judge artistic merit.

TTKM, too lazy to even capitalize or put a period.

[Anonymous No.6176362]

>>6174927
>t.
what?

[Anonymous No.6176372]

>>6176335
>yfw you realize nothing about photography as a medium prevents you from portraying Biblical scenes, just like how painters don't have to witness a miracle to paint it
>yfw you realize that beauty isn't the only thing worth conveying artistically
>mfw I realize I'm replying to a shitpost

[Anonymous No.6176376]

>>6176348
TTKM, too stupid to have a point

[Anonymous No.6176384]

>>6176348
>Honk, being so stupid as to not being able to create an object criteria in which to judge artistic merit.
all of the criteria listed in that epic trol pic are subjective, unless you have an objective metric for assessing ingenuity

[Anonymous No.6176463]

>>6175160
Underrated post

[Anonymous No.6176475]

>>6174894
Dada evolved into surrealism once people noticed that, by making a statement with art that was ostensibly not to have a point, their art had a point, and this inherent contradiction that was, dare I say, surreal, birthed (along with early 20th century Cubism), surrealism.

>>6175034
>Garden of Earthly Delights
>best piece of art in any medium
>mfw

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Also, yeah I think it's funny that Fountain was paraded about in museums and galleries when the whole fucking point Duchamp was trying to make was that YOU CAN PUT LITERALLY ANYTHING, INCLUDING A PISSPOT, INTO A GALLERY AND SAY IT'S ART. THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT ART, and that the pisspot in question that was being paraded didn't have to be R. Mutt's pisspot. The fact that the egotistical old bastard had fucking replicas made when the original was tossed out was either, depending on the tint of your glasses, an act of pure artistry to lampoon the various selling-out that surrealists, dadaists, and folk musicians were doing at the time by recreating something that was only around in the first place to showcase the meaninglessness and subjectivity of the term art (rose) or just pure selling out like the desperate bugger he had become (shit).

[Anonymous No.6176476]

>>6176475
forgot the fw

[Anonymous No.6176478]

>>6176335

Fuck, what's the name on that Aivazovsky painting?

[Anonymous No.6176482]

>>6176478

nvm, found it (Between the Waves, if anyone is interested)

[Anonymous No.6176485]

>>6176482
>>6176335
While I disagree with the sentiment of this ugly behemoth of an unorganized mess of a graphic, that Between the Waves is gorgeous, as is that final painting, to which I'd really like the name if anyone has it off hand.

[Anonymous No.6176501]

>>6176485

No idea who the artist is, but I think I have a few other things saved by him, if you'd like. Reverse image search might produce some results.

I've seen him/her posted in a lot of the /lit/ art threads, as well as some threads over in >>>/ic/.

[Anonymous No.6176507]

>>6176501
I thought about the reverse image search but it only produced a few results and none of them were that painting, thanks for that alternate one though, fukken sav'd

[Anonymous No.6176508]

>>6176501

Should be dumping this in the art general, but it seems relevant enough (by a large stretch of the imagination) to this thread, so oh well.

[Anonymous No.6176509]

>>6176508

>>6176507
No problem dude. I have a few more that I'll dump for the hell of it.

[Anonymous No.6176512]

>>6176509

Realistically, this isn't even the same person, but who cares?

[Anonymous No.6176516]

>>6176512

[Anonymous No.6176518]

>>6176516

[Anonymous No.6176522]

>>6176518

[Anonymous No.6176523]

meaning should be part of the aesthetic but not vice versa

[Anonymous No.6176526]

>>6176522

[Anonymous No.6176534]

>>6176526

Shit, I ran out.

Unrelated, but you're a fag if you don't like Bierstadt, so it's ok to post this.

[Anonymous No.6176548]

>>6175086
citation needed
(did duchamp say that?)

[Anonymous No.6176608]

Surrealism is probably the most important turning point in the history of art

[Anonymous No.6176827]

only weak men believe that art is not waste of time

[Anonymous No.6177458]

>>6175163
>meme genre
kill yerself

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.6178561]

>>6176608
Dada was more so, actually. Surrealism was kind of a melding of Dada and the art nouveau and some of the earlier abstractions.
I'm pleased to see it live on in "pop-surrealism" though more can be done with it.