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Jefferson or Robespierre, /lit/?

>> No.6160054

this is a literature board

>> No.6160059

>>6160054
And therefore it's also a board about philosophy, history, and political theory.

>> No.6160065
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>>6160047
>>6160054
Holy fuck why is this so funny

>> No.6160278

>>6160065
dunno lol

>> No.6160289

Robespierre was more authentic, even though he was an absolute madman.

>> No.6160301

Jefferson of course. Robespierre was a faggot who almost singlehandedly created fascism, communism and religious fundamentalism. Jefferson helped create the liberal, secular and democratic values we now all take for granted

>b-but muh slaves!

Go to bed, cuntinental faggots

>> No.6160308

>>6160301
He was actually vehemently opposed to all of those.

>> No.6160309

>>6160301
Aren't the US also part of a continent ?

>> No.6160311

Robespierre all the way. He settled accounts.

>> No.6160319

>>6160309
"The Continent" refers to Europe apart from Britain. "Continental breakfast" for instance.

>> No.6160343

>>6160289
At least he was against the war with Austria

>> No.6160358

Rousseau = Marx
Robespierre = Lenin
Citizen = Comrade
Antonelle = Trotsky
Jacobin = Bolshevik
Conspiracy of Equals = Chernoe Znamia
Reign of Terror = Red Terror
Bonaparte = Stalin
Fouché = Beria

>> No.6160365

>>6160319
What a silly name. That would be like Inuits calling the non-Inuits "the ghosts". They actually do that, but they get a pass because they're Inuits who live in Groenland with almost no contacts with foreigners.

>> No.6160385

>>6160365
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Europe

>> No.6160401

>>6160385
do you want to become the new person in my life over whom I obsess like an autist?

>> No.6160407

>>6160385
Having a wikipedia article named after a silly name doesn't make it any less silly, and note that here the title is "Continental Europe" and not merely "The Continent", so it's not even a case of that.

God I wish I was still chilling with dem Inuits.

>> No.6160411

>>6160401
I don't know, what are the benefits?

>> No.6160414

>>6160407
>Continental Europe, also referred to as mainland Europe or simply the Continent

>> No.6160417

>>6160411
not sure tbh
I might respond to your posts more often with about half of them being serious thoughts and the rest implied gayposting
might get banned for it tho

>> No.6160428

>>6160417
Might be worth it if you arouse reciprocal affection.

>> No.6160436

>>6160428
alright I will give it a try
but now I'm off to bed
goodnight

>> No.6160440

>>6160436
Try not to wear too much to bed.

>> No.6160507

>>6160414
Yes, people actually use such a silly name as "The Continent" for something that is barely a continent, not to mention the only one. I knew that already, as you made it clear in >>6160319. It's a silly use of word no matter how you cut it.

>> No.6160972

>>6160311
I agree completely

Jefferson is something like the liberal's wetdream. Let's take for example slavery: deep down Jefferson hated slavery, but "his hands were tied" so he was "forced" to profit from it individually and as a member of the government, instead

This is everything polite society loves: someone who is educated enough to possess the right philosophy but is also emasculated, powerless and pragmatic enough to not do anything about it and risk the stability enjoyed by the priviliged classes

Robespierre actually did things instead of rationalising inaction, so of course we must despise him

>> No.6160983

>>6160972
Jefferson worked quite a bit toward abolishing slavery, he didn't just confine his actions to moaning about it.

>> No.6161353

>>6160308
Which "he"

>> No.6161363

>>6161353
Both of them.

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>>6161363
Interesting.
I know little about this time period (beyond what we all learned in High School)

Any book recommendations?

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>>6160983

>> No.6161404

>>6160972
I agree.

>> No.6161412

>>6161375
Durant

>> No.6161420

>>6160047
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V6GHnxEJjg

Robespierre.

>> No.6161624

>>6160047
robespierre is a more fascinating figure, but jefferson's philosophy is better

>> No.6161714

One of them raped his slaves.

The other didn't have any slaves.

>> No.6161723

>>6160983
>Jefferson worked quite a bit toward abolishing slavery

This is what americans actually believe.

>> No.6161739

>>6161714
On the other hand, Robespierre killed a lot of people on dubious charges.

>> No.6161755

>>6161723
He pushed several anti-slavery bills, they just got mostly defeated.

>> No.6161792

>>6161739
Killing on less-than-perfect charges is exactly nothing compared to Jefferson's blessing of the genocide of Native Americans. Robespierre was at least self-aware that not all of his actions might have been correct and he resigned himself to the fact that he might rightfully be charged a criminal, though his actions were necessary. Jefferson was a revolutionary in name, perhaps in thought, but not in action.

>> No.6161880

>>6161792
kek, Athens was extremely revolutionary for ancient Greece, slaves were entitled to a trial, and a master killing a slave was murder by law. Unlike America, non property owners could vote, and there was a negative poll tax. They actively fomented democratic insurrections throughout Greece. Yet they were far more genocidal and imperialistic than aristocratic states such as Sparta, and were considered morally bankrupt by the aristocracies of Greece. Being revolutionary hardly precludes being genocidal or imperialist, and both often rhythmically follow revolutions. Furthermore, Jefferson's blessing of genocide was purely in thought, since it never amounted to action.

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>>6161880
>Furthermore, Jefferson's blessing of genocide was purely in thought, since it never amounted to action.

>> No.6161940

Robespierre was rightfully purged. Jefferson should have been as well.

>> No.6162825

>>6160047
You can't compare the two.
American Revolution was relatively bloodless, and when the war ended, Americans were left to their own by British. Well, British did press gang American sailors during the Napoleonic Wars, which was one of the reasons for the War of 1812, but the new American establishment was not really threatened by external factors.

The situation with the French Revolution was completely different. France was surrounded by old monarchies, all of whom were afraid the revolution would spread to their lands, and many of whom were related to the deposed French royal family. France was in a much worse situation, fighting against all of its neighbors and their ideological enemies (monarchists) from within. And extreme situations like that breed radicalism.