/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.6140689]

>You're an avid reader, what's your favourite book and why?

>I can't narrow it down to a favorite book. Maybe to a favorite list of authors if I were feeling especially pressured, in which case, I'd rattle on about David Foster Wallace and Delillo and McCarthy and Barry Hannah and Sam Lipsyte and Gary Lutz and Adam Levin. I'd devote a significant amount of time to praising everything Gordon Lish has done in the world. I'd tell you to look out for Daniel Long. He's coming. He'll be one of the greats.

Pornstar Kayden Kross has awesome taste.

[Anonymous No.6140693]

>>6140689
>David Foster Wallace and Delillo and McCarthy

More like a pseudo intellectual talking cunt.

[Anonymous No.6140696]

>>6140693
>Lutz, Lipsyte, Hannah, fucking Lish

Get fucked m8

[Anonymous No.6140703]

>being intelligent
>still doing porn
There is no excuse.

[Anonymous No.6140708]

>>6140703
Well, she has sex for money. What is your job anon and how is it better?

[Anonymous No.6140710]

>>6140689
Can't stand her hyperventilating and gasping. She makes the least sexy noises ever.

[Anonymous No.6140711]

>>6140708
I'm neet :^)

[Anonymous No.6140714]

>>6140710
>watching porn with the sound on

[Anonymous No.6140735]

So basically she likes meme authors

[Anonymous No.6140744]

>>6140689
who is gordon lish?

[Anonymous No.6140747]

>>6140744

[Anonymous No.6140763]

>>6140747
nice meemeemee

[Anonymous No.6140888]

>>6140714
My patrician brother.

[Anonymous No.6141230]

>>6140714
moaning makes me hornier and gives a better orgasm

[Anonymous No.6141238]

>>6140703
>implying an excuse is needed

[Anonymous No.6141252]

>>6140703
>being intelligent
>getting a relatively well paying job that requires saving your own money by not bothering with a degree
>career is know to eventually lead to the production and background work in the industry

yea she's the real loser here

[Anonymous No.6141304]

>>6141252
>having videos available on the internet that any friend or family member can see, any children you have can find, forever. An industry where you fuck niggers and have cum squirted on your face, that targets vunerable and sick women, explointing their addictions and mentall illness just for a few hundred bucks
yeah
she is real clever

[Anonymous No.6141325]

I don't see why you guys shit on adult performers so much. I speak from experience when I say that you'd be surprised how many of them are atually very interesting and intellectual individuals. Sindee Jennings, who I've been friends with for a little over two years, always makes sure to list a number of books, both fiction and non-fiction, on her amazon wishlist. When I've bought her some in the past she has always been nice enough to send me a personalized thank you, and in the liveshows she does from her website she has always been willing to discuss books and her interest in art.

[Anonymous No.6141329]

>>6141325
>I don't see why you guys shit on adult performers so much.

Because they're parochial children whose opinions are basically a distillaion of what their deadbeat dad and tedious mum have obsorbed from Fox News while they shove burgers in their mouths.

They're also concerned about the amount of porn they consume, so they transfer their self-loathing onto the performers in the films they watch so avidly and unstoppably.

[Anonymous No.6141331]

A pornstar being well read is literally pure ideology

[Anonymous No.6141338]

>>6141329
Nice comprehension buddy.

[Anonymous No.6141342]

>>6141304
Your whole post makes absolutely no sense.
She isn't a vulnerable and sick woman of which the addictions and mentall illness is being abused, and you also have a very countryboy hick perception of the porn industry.

She does something you never get to do for a living, and it makes you mad, because muh women have to be pure!!

>make loads of money profiting of people beating their dick to you
>buy books
>enjoy easy life
Seems pretty clever to me. If you're lucky enough to be as fit as she is, why not abuse it?

[Anonymous No.6141349]

>>6141325
They may be nice and even intelligent, but from experience I know that those kind of girls are always mentally ill in some form or another.

[Anonymous No.6141354]

>>6141342
>She does something you never get to do for a living,

something he never gets to do at all, let alone get paid for it.

[Anonymous No.6141355]

>>6141349
>implying mentally ill isn't the most overly misused word at the moment
>implying that according to popular misuse of it we aren't all mentally ill for even posting on 4chan

[Anonymous No.6141357]

>>6141349

>I know all the pornstars in the world because I am a player of epic proportions.

Nearly everything you think you know about porn performers is wrong.

[Anonymous No.6141367]

>>6141349
I'm mentall ill too though, and I would never settle for a woman who is not mentally ill in some way either

[Anonymous No.6141374]

>>6141304
Just because you disagree with the - morals, I guess - of what she does doesn't mean it's stupid.

[Anonymous No.6141376]

>>6141349
all interesting women are always fucked up in some way, because a normal woman isn't generally required to be interesting. for a woman to be interesting is an accidental anomoly.

[Anonymous No.6141390]

>who is this spunk punk?

[Anonymous No.6141407]

>>6141357
No, I'm just going by my experiences with strippers, prostitutes and promiscuous women in general. Admittedly I've never known a porn actress. I just think that the 'sex positive' third-wave feminist delusion of sleeping around being empowering to women is in reality usually false. From what I've seen women who sleep with a lot of guys are usually unhappy.

[Anonymous No.6141837]

They asked a bunch of Pornstars what their favorite books were, and you could tell who read and who didn't by the titles, not because of the difficulty or merit of the books they chose but because some of the choices were clearly stuff that they had been assigned to read in high school, And others were at least best selling authors or authors you wouldn't find on a high school reading list.

Gianna Michaels likes sucking cock, and Paulo Coehlo novels.

[Anonymous No.6141845]

>>6141837
>Gianna Michaels likes ... Paulo Coehlo novels.

Is it weird that I'm disappointed by this? I'm not sure I can ever watch her scenes again without recalling that she's a Coelho fan.

[Anonymous No.6141927]

>>6141845
I don't know, of all the pornstars she was the only one to put down three books, yeah they're all Coehlo novels, but it's weird to know that she reads for pleasure. somehow you get the image of her having a book in between scenes or even reading while she's riding a dick. It definitely makes you think the next time you see her.

And then of course after a couple of minutes of video you're definitely not thinking about her reading.

[Anonymous No.6141957]

>>6141342
>implying i would ever want to do porn
>implying i have that little respect for my own body

[Anonymous No.6141961]

>>6140711
so it would be the same except that someone records when you get laid, maybe you'd have to overplay it a bit but I'm sure you can even make it extra fun.

[Anonymous No.6142049]

>>6140689
What a waste

[Anonymous No.6142061]

>>6140693
DeLillo? Pseudo-intellectual? Are you for real now?

[Anonymous No.6142070]

>>6141325
You sound like you did not graduate high school.

[Anonymous No.6142073]

>>6141957
> Claims to have self-respects
> Judges others for showing theirs
no

[Anonymous No.6142080]

>>6141957
>having sex regularly is abuse

[Anonymous No.6142099]

>>6140693
that's rich coming from someone with animu reaction images saved on his computer

[Anonymous No.6142132]

>>6141376
*anomely

[Anonymous No.6142260]

>>6140744
Absolutely disgusting editor for Raymond Carver back in the day.

[Anonymous No.6142284]

"I’m voting for Obama because he inhales when he smokes, he supports gay marriage, because he follows me on Twitter, because he has managed to push a lot through despite being mostly hogtied by partisan bullshit, because his agendas are good for the majority of people and not just the majority of a voting base—which is also being hogtied—and because when I voted for him the first time I didn’t expect him to wave a magic wand and fix everything overnight. We all know that is impossible, like Republican empathy and Romney’s tax records.”

um....... she's surprisingly eloquent

also obama follows kayden kross on tiwtter WTF

[Anonymous No.6142373]

>>6141325
lmao

dude you are retarded and pathetic

[Anonymous No.6142411]

>all these whiteknights defending some random slut whose dignity and intimacy can be bought

[Anonymous No.6142414]

>>6142411
this is late capitalism dogg, all our dignity and intimacy can be bought

[Anonymous No.6142426]

>>6142414
talk for yourself, nobody.

[Anonymous No.6142436]

I've only heard about Wallace and Delillo. Who are the rest?

[Anonymous No.6142440]

>>6142436
memes

[Anonymous No.6142447]

>>6142411
>sex
>dignified ever
>intimate

my god

[Anonymous No.6142453]

>>6142411
>dignity

[Anonymous No.6142473]

>>6141325
being allowed to buy her gifts and paying to see her tits is not friendship.

very nice of her to thank you (personally no less!) when you buy her shit though, and to talk about her favourite books while you're paying for her time.

[Anonymous No.6142571]

>>6142073
Being penetrated on camera for money is not respecting the self

[Anonymous No.6142580]

>>6142571

according to who?
top kek @ 'respect' if I want to be penetrated on camera I still have plenty of self respect
kill yourself blanket moralist

[Anonymous No.6142582]

>>6142571
>the naked human body and sex are shameful and should be hidden

literally the same kind of attitude that makes what should be a non-issue, like dick pics, into "scandal." anthony weiner and brett favre did nothing wrong

[Anonymous No.6142584]

>>6142571
How does one get this spooked?

[Anonymous No.6142601]

>>6142571
P U R E I D E O L O G Y

[Anonymous No.6142614]

Someone tell me, who the fuck is Daniel Long? I've gugled him but gugle didn't tell me

[Anonymous No.6142622]

>>6140689
>David Foster Wallace and Delillo and McCarthy and Barry Hannah and Sam Lipsyte and Gary Lutz and Adam Levin
Middlebrow trash taste. She reads as tackily as she looks.

[Anonymous No.6142625]

>>6142582
I... Agree. Maybe Weiner's main issue was that he couldn't control himself after he got a media-bukakke the first time.

[cockjoke No.6142626]

>I'd tell you to look out for Daniel Long. He's coming

[Anonymous No.6142639]

>>6142622
>she reads tackily
>she looks tackily

So you're not criticizing her taste in books you're criticizing the Way she reads those books?

I don't know how someone can look tackily. Maybe seeing through Leopard print glasses.

[Anonymous No.6142650]

>>6142584
he's just unaware he's inherited his attitude towards sexuality from christianity, you can't really blame him. its sort of ambient in america.

[Anonymous No.6142653]

>>6141325
You sound like a stalker.

[Anonymous No.6142665]

>>6141837
http://www.buzzfeed.com/javiermoreno/adult-entertainment-professionals-share-their-favorite-bo#.tieLywnNO

I'm disappointed, I expected a Catcher in the Rye.

[Anonymous No.6142669]

>>6142650
Post your horrified visage upon realizing that it wasn't the fluoride in the water we had to worry about, but the dissolved JESUS

[Anonymous No.6142683]

>>6142650
I like u

[Anonymous No.6142688]

>>6141957
>getting paid to get fucked
>no self respect

you seem to have some outdated opinions son

[Anonymous No.6142695]

>>6142650
>christian values are somehow a bad thing now

where did it go wrong?

[Anonymous No.6142704]

>>6142695
>tfw we're heading towards another Sodom and Gomorrah

[Anonymous No.6142705]

Can we deconstruct pornography? Is there anything fundamentally wrong with it.
I want all these "respectable people" out of here.

[Anonymous No.6142712]

>>6142695
it all went wrong when you decided to base your life on the ravings of desert jews and crusade against anyone who disagreed

[Anonymous No.6142713]

>>6142695

Not all of them are bad just the ones I don't like :^)

[Anonymous No.6142718]

>>6142704
>>6142695

leave this board
you are not welcome here

[Anonymous No.6142725]

>>6142718
i want to print a shirt with your pic on it

[Anonymous No.6142735]

>>6142718
you are the cancer killing /lit/

[Anonymous No.6142739]

Degrading women as part of pornography, while in the act. That's just part of the roleplaying.

But degrading them outside the act, outside the pornography, that's just stupid. Even if you put aside the woman's feelings, it would still just be pointless and stupid.
It'd be like degrading a bus driver for driving a bus, they're both just being paid to get you where you need to be.

I mean sure, you could talk about "What got them into porn," and cry "Desperation and Abuse." But really, with the abundance of free amateur porn, do you really think that everyone is just doing it because they need money? Isn't it possible that they get something out of it? As for Abuse, well shit son, I can think of dozens of things that people do because of abuse, I can think of thousands of service employees that only took the job out of desperation, and I can think of thousands of people taking prescription drugs because of abuse.

There's no reason to demean these people other than either objectifying them, or because you've been conditioned to think sex is dirty.

[Anonymous No.6142778]

>>6142695
>Invoking a religion based off a text that condones rape, genocide and slavery
>Thinking you're better than people who have consensual sex for money.

[Anonymous No.6142811]

>>6142778
human rights are derived from judeo-christian ethics.

(im an atheist btw.)

[Anonymous No.6142820]

>>6142811

human rights are a social construct
who cares

[Anonymous No.6142836]

>>6142820
>i cant touch it!
>it doesnt matter!xD

babbys first constructivism

[Anonymous No.6142841]

>>6142836

>the prevailing social order says it matters!
>it matters

read more books

[Anonymous No.6142873]

>>6142695
>>6142704
>not liking degeneracy

this is the bohemian board

[Anonymous No.6142876]

>>6142841
>the prevailing social order is wrong because my mom forced me to go to church on sundays

stay antagonized

[Anonymous No.6142896]

>>6141961
>implying I get laid

[Anonymous No.6142897]

>>6142876

>literally enslaving yourself to the social norms of idiots around you

maybe this isn't the board for you, anon

[Anonymous No.6142916]

>>6142876
>social orders can be right or wrong

[Anonymous No.6142924]

>>6142897
>understanding the historical, political and sociological importance of different values systems
>enslaving

keep trying.

[Anonymous No.6142939]

>>6142924
>understanding importance

more like assigning importance, casanegro

[Anonymous No.6142942]

>>6142811
Human rights are not derived from judeo-christian ethics, and judeo-christian ethics are a joke.

Ethics are complicated and because they are complicated, christians say what they always say, "God did it." or in this case "the bible did it." and even atheists who are at a loss to explain complex sociological schema just resort to saying. "Well shit, it must have been the bible, since Christianity was dominant in so much of history"

Except that is a ethnocentric fallacy, which completely fails to account for morality and ethics in times before the judeo-christian religion came into existence, and morality in places where it was completely unheard of. I mean you can't possibly be one of those people who believes that the indochina region wouldn't have any morality if it wasn't for missionaries? Or that the greeks were without morality? Never mind if their morality lines up 100% with "christian" or contemporary morality. Just focus on the fact that the idea that without the judeo-christian hegemony no morality would exist at all is blatantly stupid.

"So damn," you say, "Well, okay, the judeo-christian religion didn't invent ethics. but you have to admit that it forms the basis of contemporary morality, right?"

No, take a look at some of the 613 commandments in the bible, and see how many you actually believe are fundamental to a moral code. "No wearing clothes made of two different types of cloth" that's real helpful isn't it?

So what is your argument then? that human rights aren't derived directly from the tenants of Christianity but instead the vague general tone of the bible, the general feeling "God commands you to do good" when you ignore all the slavery, the rape, the genocide, and the barbarism? That's cherry picking, selective bias. It's not the bible influencing modern morality, instead, it is modern morality influencing what parts of the bible people like to choose to adhere to.

[Anonymous No.6142967]

Let me preface what I'm about it say by voicing that 99% of manga and anime is autism riddled garbage.

While there's so many great novels out there I beleive the original manga of Ghost in the Shell to be a real piece of art. Despite the rest of the medium being garbage, the enduring message of GITS and what it means to be human in an age of disposable bodies really brings out a ringing declaration of human nature and its trials and ultimately it's limitations in the digital age. Not everyone will agree with me and I'm ok with that. I thought it was a good read that made some forward thinking statements about individuality.
Inb4 hurr durr not Ulysses or Tolstoy.

[Anonymous No.6142989]

If you want to know where human rights mostly come from, it's from atrocities.

Humans witness these horrible things happening to themselves and others, and say. "Okay, we should really make a rule that says that shit shouldn't happen any more." and then it takes generations for it to be adopted into the zeitgeist to where humans born and raised in modern society just accept that women have a right to vote or that slavery is abhorrent, thinking that it is natural and obvious, and forgetting that it had to be debated and fought over in the past. It just feels natural for them to believe that women should have the right to vote. Not because they've decided that on their own, and not because of their religion, but because it's been collectively decided by society that that's what we're going to do.

It is only then, after the moral has become collectively accepted, that people, upon questioning their morality, which was socialized, ie conditioned into them by their entire environment, will look for a rational, a justification for why they believe that something is correct, and if they are off a society that ascribes morality as an accomplishment of religion they will say, it's because of religion, whether they are religious or not, and whether or not the moral is actually reflected in the religious material or not.

Because people would rather believe that society is built on a solid foundation, any solid foundation, even one built on an absurd text, then to believe that society is loose and shifting and that they themselves are malleable.

[Anonymous No.6143301]

>>6142284
She's delusional. Obama is a puppet for special interest just like the last 10 presidents before him.

[Anonymous No.6145212]

>>6141845
Well I'd even prefer Coehlo readers over Butler readers any time.

[Anonymous No.6145221]

>>6142942

The New Testament does away with the old Jewish laws in the Old Testament, such as wearing two kinds of clothes, and instead reaffirms the moral core that largely became "contempory" morality. Read Paul's letters about how he goes on and on regarding how the Old Covenant is gone and that the Old Law no longer needs to be followed.

[Anonymous No.6145229]

Since I don't go in Zizek threads but see "pure ideology" posted a lot could somebody explain it?

It never seems to be used here in a consistent fashion which leads me to believe it's a meme.

[Anonymous No.6145231]

>>6145221
It might seem like a minor quibble, but Paul doesn't say the Old Covenant is "gone" or that the Old Law no longer needs to be followed. It's not gone, so much as it is "fulfilled" by God himself, and the source of the Old Law is brought forward and crystallized in permanence (the Law being love). You are right that the Christian/Hebrew "moral core" became contemporary morality though. Even the way we talk about ethics and morality, or our moral language, is fundamentally Christian in character and content.

[Anonymous No.6145238]

>>6145229
if its not scientism, prepare for p.i. and stirner memes

[Anonymous No.6145240]

>>6142061
have you read delillo lol

[Anonymous No.6145246]

>>6140689
Wow , i feel like i've seen her a million times, she looks like every other blonde naked lady

[Anonymous No.6145248]

>>6141325
6/10

[Anonymous No.6145250]

>>6145246
shes not even naked

[Anonymous No.6145535]

>>6141325
They're not intellectuals, and it's not a respectable line of work. Only plebs would settle for whores. End of story.