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Rank Plato's dialogues

>> No.6119158

They're all equally rank.

"Heavenly Forms" my arse.

>> No.6119190

>>6119149
Dunno about order but Apology, Gorgias, Euthyphro, Crito, Protagoras, Theaetetus, Symposium are all good

>> No.6119199

I heard Parmenides and Sophist are the deepest and hardest

>> No.6119202

muh flutes

>> No.6119215

Phaedrus sucks

>> No.6119223

1. The republic
2. That other one I read by him, I don't remember what it's called

>> No.6119354

>>6119215

No it doesn't! It even has boner jokes throughout it! BONER JOKES IN PLATO COME ON

>> No.6119379

>>6119199
They are the most concerned with metaphysics, and you should be familiar with Parmenides philosophy beforehand. But they aren't specially hard.

>> No.6119407

>>6119379

Eh, kinda hard. Figuring out how the two halves of Parmenides are related have occupied scholars for the better part of the last century and a half, and there's no real agreement as to whether the dialogue *refutes* the forms outright, points to a *refinement*, or does some other thing. And Sophist is confounding for the treatment of the eide, the presence of Socrates while being replaced in conversation with the Stranger, the relation of the dialogue dramatically to the Apology, etc. etc.

>> No.6119420

>>6119199
Timaeus is even harder.

>> No.6119856
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6119856

fucking glaucon

>> No.6119863

I love the Phaedo.

>> No.6120262

I disliked the republic but loved symposium.
Also the one where he is talking to a sophist.

>> No.6120405

>>6120262

Do you mean the Protagoras?

>> No.6120525

>>6119149
I can not do that as I have yet to finish them all. I love the Republic for Socrates is finally offering forth his definitions. The Protagoras has excellent literary criticism, the way it ought to b done. The Cratylus is dear to the amateur philologist inside of me. I like how in the one, the Lysias I think, he reks rhetoric and offers a more true to the Truth idea of how it should be conducted, and who can forget the great Symposium?

>> No.6120730

>>6120525

...So what do you like about Plato, o ariston?

>> No.6120821

>>6119199
I read the Parmenides in carcere and could not understand a damn thing they were talking about, the only dialogue I've found that to be the case.

>> No.6120863

>>6120730
Plato has assisted me in examining concepts and seeking definitions for things that I have taken for granted, he has stimulated my mind to be more analytical as well as to live a nobler life emphasizing Reason.

>> No.6121018

>>6119215
How can you be so ignorant? Phaedrus is a fine deconstruction of rhetorical oratory.

>> No.6121272

1. The Republic
2. The Symposium (easily the most beautifully constructed)
4. The Apology
3. Crito
4. Parmeides (essential for understanding the argument against the forms)
5. Ion (disputable whether this one was written by Plato but it's a good bit of fun)

>> No.6121278

>>6121272
holy shit I fucked up the numbering bad lol

>> No.6121305

>>6121272
Looks like someone has only read the collection of eight dialogues translated by Jowett, and is parroting his notes on the Symposium.

>> No.6121357

>>6121305
Ion isn't in that collection, neither is Parmeides.

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6121436

play-doh a faggot

might is right

>> No.6121451

Seconding Thaetetus and Gorgias. It really depends on your interests though. Everyone should read Apology, Symposium, and Republic.

>>6120821

I'm pretty sure Parmenides is meant to be confusing. Have you read the fragments of Parmenides? It's confusing shit.

>> No.6121654

>>6120405
I think he means 'The Sophist'

>> No.6121663

From those I've read, I enjoyed Philebus, Sophist, and Euthyphro quite a bit. I got prette blown out by Parmenides and for some reason I found Phaedo more difficult than I probably should have.

>> No.6121687

>>6121654

Socrates doesn't talk to a sophist in that; we get a Stranger from Elea. Socrates actually talks to sophists in Protagoras (several), Hippias Major & Minor, Gorgias, and Euthydemus.

>> No.6121712

>>6121436
But isn't it conceivable that a leader might accidentally order something that goes against his best interests?

>> No.6121731

>>6119149

I really love the Theaetetus and Phaedrus. Those are my top two.

>> No.6122562

>>6121712
sure.

>> No.6123379

rofl Plato was a total faggot

>> No.6123763

>>6121451
Haven't read his fragments.