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>> No.6103931

Say word

>> No.6103939

muh honeysuckle

>> No.6103946

>>6103919
Could be worse. Could be narrated by a retard. Wait.

>> No.6103950

>muh bellowing

>> No.6103956

>>6103919
That file name

>> No.6103961

>>6103946
Perfect. It's FUBU for you and OP.

>> No.6103980
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6103980

I write a story with an incoherent plot
>failed paper
Faulkner does it
>Nobel Prize
Just look at his smug face.

>> No.6103987

>>6103980
salty as fuck lmao.

get gud or get rekt kid

>> No.6103994

>>6103980
fuckin faced

>> No.6103999

>>6103980
the plot isn't incoherent though. you're just a dunce.

>> No.6104030

>>6103999
fuck you

>> No.6104038

>>6104030

he's right you know

>> No.6104046

>>6103919
Someone is in 10th grade.

>> No.6104049

>>6103980
>he's actually smoking a corncob pipe

king of the corncobby chronicles give me prose

>> No.6104053

single greatest American text yet authored
nothing really comes close

>> No.6104054
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6104054

if ya couldn't make it through that then wonder how you'll do pic related...shame

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6104065

>When you realize this thread is full of sound and fury
>and salt

>> No.6104096
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6104096

How difficult is it compared to As I Lay Dying?

>> No.6104114

I agree OP, he's a horrible writer.

>muh dissolution of old southern values is making it difficult to assimilate into new adult life
>muh time
>muh fence where I can see them hitting

An absolute hack that obfuscates his ideas to create the impression of depth.

Prime example:
>In a strange room you must empty yourself for sleep. And before you are emptied for sleep, what are you. And when you are emptied for sleep, you are not. And when you are filled with sleep, you never were. I don't know what I am. I don't know if I am or not. Jewel knows he is, because he does not know that he does not know whether he is or not. He cannot empty himself for sleep because he is not what he is and he is what he is not. Beyond the unlamped wall I can hear the rain shaping the wagon that is ours, the load that is no longer theirs that felled and sawed it nor yet theirs that bought it and which is not ours either, lie on our wagon though it does, since only the wind and the rain shape it only to Jewel and me, that are not asleep. And since sleep is is-not and rain and wind are was, it is not. Yet the wagon is, because when the wagon is was, Addie Bundren will not be. And Jewel is, so Addie Bundren must be. And then I must be, or I could not empty myself for sleep in a strange room. And so if I am not emptied yet, I am is.

>> No.6104120

>>6104114

do you even know what high modernism is?
have you read Joyce or Woolf?

"Impressions of depth" certainly isn't the aim here

>> No.6104133

>>6104120
Would you care to explain that passage then? Because to me, it is complete garbage.

>> No.6104135

>>6104120
No, enlighten us please.

>> No.6104147

>>6104133
you realize the niggers gone insane right?

>> No.6104152

>>6104133

narrator is discussing being in relation to a confused, distraught view of time as seen in the emptying of thoughts in the mind before sleep, a negation of consciousness and a temporal placekeeper for memories, dreams, etc

>> No.6104165

>>6104152
Can you explain this in a more concise way instead of being vague, ambigious, and superficial? You use a lot of abstract words that can be interpreted in different ways and don't really say much about the passage.

>> No.6104176

>>6104165
Not even that guy, but that's a pretty good explanation.

You might need to work on your reading comprehension.

>> No.6104202

>>6104165

narrator is discussing how being relates to time in the context of one's thoughts before drifting off to sleep

>> No.6104224

>>6104176


No it isn't, all it does is reinforce how ambigious it is by falling back on "it's meant to demonstrate how confused the narrator is, so it's suppose to not make that much sense" arguement. I have no idea what the passage means and I can do the exact same thing.

"It is a device Faulkner employers to put the reader in the same state of confusion about human consciousness that the narrator is struggling to come to with, constantly contradicting his own musings of self and self referentiality through a dissolving internal discourse."

>> No.6104241

>>6104202
From that passage, what reinforces your statements implication that being relates to time and how is it expressed in the passage?

>> No.6104248

>people legitimately don't put The Sound and the Fury in the pantheon of great American literature

Are you pissed because someone asked you to read it in high school or something? Honestly, this book is sublime.

>> No.6104251

this book is such gimmicky shit.

>> No.6104253

>Faulkner, William. Dislike him. Writer of corncobby chronicles. To consider them masterpieces is an absurd delusion. A nonentity, means absolutely nothing to me.

Thank you based Nabokov

>> No.6104263

>>6104248
this.

>plebs of this magnitude actually exist
>you are sharing a board with them

i'm quite shocked actually. what the fuck, /lit/?
i'm not even american.

>> No.6104274

>>6104253
Did Nabby invent greentext?

>> No.6104282

>>6104263
>Actually enjoying Faulkner

Keep deluding yourself. Do you only like what your professors tell you to like?

>> No.6104294

>>6104274
No, I just greentexted his thoughts on Faulkner to highlight his words and put more emphasis on them.

>> No.6104298

>>6104282
>not legitimately thinking that the Quentin section is one of the greatest pieces of American literature

Keep cryin. How's it feel having unbearably terrible taste?

>> No.6104299

>>6104274
It wasn't funny the first time stop regurgitating it at every opportunity

>> No.6104301

>>6104282
>implying i don't re-read the sound and the fury for enjoyment
>implying i've ever studied faulkner formally

>> No.6104309

>>6104298
Hurr caddy smells like trees when shes a virgin buy she doesnt when she is not

Hurr through the fence I can see them hitting over and over on land that used to be ours but old southern values have been subverted by a new mode of thought.

Blah blah blah, it is a fucking horrible book.

>> No.6104320

>>6104298
I can imagine you sitting with a smug grin on your face in a hole in the wall cafe with a self congratulatory twinkle in your eye due to your deluded perception that you are patrician because you think you "get" Faulkner. There is nothing to "get", Nabokov was right, his novels are dog shit.

>> No.6104321

>>6104309
In what way does reducing the book with "hur blanket statement" actually mean it's bad?

Moby Dick
>hurr christiranity on a boat look at THE MAD PASSION THE DELUSION IN HIS EYES HURR

Lolita
>LOOK AT HER WALKING OH MY OH MY ISN'T IT UNSETTLING HOW INTIMATE OF A VIEW INTO PEDOPHILIA THIS IS? ISN'T THIS SUBVERTING THE TRADITIONAL ROMANNCE??

Stfu. TSatF is amazing. And that's coming from a Yank.

>> No.6104342

>>6104321
Because his novels can be reduced to ridiculous absurd statements to draw attention to how simplistic the themes are, compared to the way he obfuscates them through the way he chooses to express them. Moby Dick and Lolita are both great novels that are clear in the way the express themselves, Tsatf is not, neither are any of his other novels. He buries his themes in dense language that is vague and ambigious to give more depth, when it simply isn't there.

>> No.6104362

>>6104241

>And before you are emptied for sleep, what are you. And when you are emptied for sleep, you are not. And when you are filled with sleep, you never were.

>> No.6104364

>>6104053
this.

i think plebs were made to read it in high school and disliked it because it was too difficult.

>> No.6104369

>>6104053
Bet anything you haven't read J R

>> No.6104399

When I rest everything that is not is, and everything that is-is not, he knows he is but is not because he knows he is not. When he is in himself, he knows he knows his relation to self.

It's so easy to be profound like Faulky

>> No.6104403

>>6104399

not even close, scrub

>> No.6104410

>>6104241
>>In a strange room you must empty yourself for sleep.

The narrator is preparing for sleep.

>>And before you are emptied for sleep, what are you.

The narrator realizes that before you go to sleep, when you are awake and can remember things, "you are", which gives rise to a paragraph because

>>And when you are filled with sleep, you never were. I don't know what I am.

As the narrator prepares to fall asleep, their mind starts to drift and they begin to think about the identity of their self before and after sleep. If you can't actively remember who you are, do you even exist? I could do the whole passage but I've wasted my time already.

>> No.6104422

>>6104309
You realize all those passages aren't from the Quentin section right? Get the fuck off 4chan with your shitty high schooler's understanding of Faulkner.

>> No.6104431

>>6104342
>implying the point of novels is to communicate themes clearly
>can't explain the existence of symbolism or metaphor

>> No.6104434

>>6104410
Please continue, its the rest if the paragraph that is perplexing.

>> No.6104457

>some little bitch faggot stomping his feet and throwing a tantrum because faulkner doesnt present his themes clear enough for him to grasp easily

cool thread dudes, im out.

>> No.6104468

>>6104096
Much more difficult.

>> No.6104475

>>6104224
The whole book is just about all the family's reactions to Addie's death (spoilers?). Darl's monologue here is his existential crisis at the loss of his mother. He cannot comprehend his mother being gone and his continued existence. That is what is expressed here.

Also, maybe the message conveyed in TSatF wasn't the deepest, most revolutionary thing ever written, but the novel as a whole was very artful, and that is a big point of modernism. Literature as art for art's sake.

>> No.6104499

>>6104475
I understand that, but today Faulkners themes are just so cliché, like they were written by a 21 year old having his first crisis. His writing just feels very outdated and naive.Exploring themes of death, time, and family values seemer almost outdated in the era he was writing in. When I think of Faulkner I just think of some silly disillusioned drunk at his type writer who thinks he has discovered the secret meaning to being. He's like a southern Bukowski.

>> No.6104503

>>6104114
What's wrong with you? That is beautiful. A prime example of stream of consciousness.

>> No.6104515

>>6104503
I can imagine Nabokov reading it and having a good hearty chuckle, calling over his wife to share in the laughter, then throwing the book in the garbage.

>> No.6104517

>>6104499

Faulkner's the real deal, his commentary on social apparatus and family and incest and the psyche are all top notch, he's not an existential weepy romantic, the stuff he writes about is of legit historical and critical interest, his oeuvre is pretty complex and far reaching beyond his main works, but his central mythos is god tier and worth reading deeply

>> No.6104519

>>6104503
If you say so toots

>> No.6104523

>>6104515

funny, that's exactly what i do with Nabokov's work

>> No.6104532

>>6104499
you clearly lack even a working comprehension of the Sound and the Fury. I'm not going to describe a point I think I will not be able to do justice to, but I would highly recommend Harold bloom's collection of literary criticisms on S&F. In that book Faulkner touches on a point so profound, so amazingly true that it cannot be properly expressed in anything less than a 20 page essay.

Seriously. If you think Faulkner is anywhere near the level of Bulkowski you clearly didn't understand Faulkner

>> No.6104545

>>6104517
I've read a lot of acclaimed American authors: Fitzgerald, Pynchon, Wallace, Steinbeck, Hemingway, Yates, Salinger, DeLillo etc. And although I haven't enjoyed everything these authors have written, I have, loved certain works by them. Faulkner just sticks out to me, everytime I give one of his novels ago, I just roll my eyes as he goes on one of his ridiculous tangents about death or reality or family. I've even read other modernists like Joyce and Woolf and enjoyed certain books or certain parts of their books, but Faulkner, man, I just dont get it. He is, in my opinion, the most overrated writer in American history.

>> No.6104550

>>6104532
>its so profound I just can't explain how profound it is without writing a 20 page essay.

Thanks buddy, you seem like you really know your faulkner. I'll take your word for it

>> No.6104554

>>6104545

That's certainly a stretch, it's true that his reputation precedes him and as such many people go into his work with expectations that aren't met with what he's doing in the text. I would say Fitzgerald, for one, is a soap opera artist in comparison.

>> No.6104555

>>6104499
"Faulkner is like a southern Bukowski"

someone please give /lit/ the subtitle "Faulkner is like a Southern Bukowski"

>> No.6104556

>>6104545
you know that DeLillo wanted to become a writer mostly because of Faulkner?

>> No.6104557

>>6104555

why would we subtitle our board with something so stupid
then again, some of us are writing books about a 17 year old kid named Kolsti
maybe it's time to leave

>> No.6104559

>>6104555
>someone please give /lit/ the subtitle "Faulkner is like a Southern Bukowski"

You know, often, it's like you guys want to scare all the smart people away.

>> No.6104573

>>6104556
I understand that, but I still don't like Faulkner. I think Delillo is a much better writer.

>> No.6104582

>>6104556
He was also very young when he was influenced by him, Delillo has also stated his writing was influenced by jazz music.

>> No.6104588

>>6104573

maybe you just have rancid taste and should accept it quietly

>> No.6104590

>>6104550
I don't expect you to take my word for it which is why I recommended you a book you tremendous faggot.

God I fucking hate /lit/ sometimes. Actual, actual idiots everywhere.

>> No.6104617

>>6104590
You expect me to read an in depth analysis of the works of an author I dislike without you giving me any idea on what the criticism touches on that is so "profound"? Just give me an idea of what it is about at least, jesus.

>> No.6104622

>>6104590
yea bitches who think faulkner is good.

>> No.6104869

I thought light in august was pretty good ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>> No.6105512

>>6103999
The digits don't lie. But seriously it's easily the greatest American novel.

>> No.6105515

>>6104573
>Delillo
>Writer
I laugh and quaff vodka to keep the darkness of your poor taste from my mind.