Karl Marx

[Émile Liénard 1818 !vRiBH2uekA No.6102995]

[Anonymous No.6103000]

He used to be so handsome. What happened?

[Anonymous No.6103005]

>>6103000
he died

[Anonymous No.6103008]

>muh evil bourgeoise
>*tips beard*

[Anonymous No.6103010]

>>6103008
I am responding to your post

[Anonymous No.6103070]

>>6103010
I am insulting you in such a way that it relates to what I think Marxists believe

[Anonymous No.6103101]

>>6103070
No, no, no; I am!

[Émile Liénard 2006 !vRiBH2uekA No.6103108]

>>6103070
the system causes them to do 'evil' if thats the word you wanna use. The bourgeois themselves aren't inherently bad

[Anonymous No.6103146]

[Anonymous No.6103149]

>>6103101
I am quoting a short phrase from your post and adding an image of a person laughing

[Anonymous No.6103171]

>>6103146
Top Kek.

Just starting reading Das Kapital, gotta say it's interesting, but the anarchists honestly make better arguments.

[Anonymous No.6103179]

So why don't you support the DPRK?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rgyh8wu1nI

[Anonymous No.6103184]

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[Anonymous No.6103185]

>>6103146
Workers states and bourgeois states are not the same thing.

Marx was not an anarchist.

[Anonymous No.6103192]

>>6103185
>Workers states and bourgeois states are not the same thing.
All of those flags are flags of bourgeois states.

[Anonymous No.6103194]

>>6103149
I quote a small sentence made up of assumptions and add a similar image while smirking at the thought of my cleverness, thinking that you have undoubtedly missed a crucial point.

[Anonymous No.6103207]

>>6103185
>bourgeois states
They are called "degenerated workers' states."

[Anonymous No.6103218]

>>6103146
http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/saul-newman-anarchism-and-the-politics-of-ressentiment

[Anonymous No.6103285]

>>6103218
This is pretty interesting actually, I guess it fits the whole idea of the superman for Nietzsche to hate anarchists.

[Anonymous No.6103307]

>>6103146
>>6103171
>their arguments are more suited to the ahistorical bourgeois values I've been drip fed since a tot.

Anarchism is slipping it's bonds and turning into some nasty militia disaster prep deal, you get anarcho-papism, anarcho-distributism and any hideous shit you can dream up, it's what happens when you give their notions an inch.

[Anonymous No.6103311]

>>6103285
It gets better further down when he tries to save anarchist tradition from being based on resentment towards power.

[Anonymous No.6103362]

>>6102995

[Anonymous No.6103370]

>>6103171
That's why all those anarchist revolutions have been so effective, right??

[Anonymous No.6103379]

>>6103370
They were but on microscales. Much of the things you are as an individual are thanks to anarchists.
>Edgy teens and leftists are not anarchists

[Anonymous No.6103385]

>>6103311
I find it kind of weird that both Nietzsche and Bakunin would oppose the idea of the social contract in a similar way. Is Nietzsche's idea of the Ubermensch different from the social contract in a meaningful way?

[Anonymous No.6103388]

waooooooh another marx thread cooooooool!!

dont start the revolution without me """"""""comrades""""""""""

[Anonymous No.6103395]

>>6103207
I'm sorry Trotsky, but the value form existed in all those states. Read Volume 1 Chapter 1 again for the determinate element of capitalism.

[Anonymous No.6103398]

>>6103388

take a look, friends on either side of the aisle:
this is the kind of ironic shitlord poster you don't want to be, Marxist or not

[Anonymous No.6103461]

In my opinion Nietze focused on the individual death-rebirth cycle of the faulty self. Being the superman is being yourself.

[Anonymous No.6103522]

>>6103461
I've seen his name spelt Nietche, Nietzche, Nietsche, and Nietzshe, but never until now have I seen someone spell it Nietze.

[Anonymous No.6103534]

>>6103522
Have another one...
Νίτσε.

[Anonymous No.6103535]

>you all must toil and slave away to pay for my transition therapy

[Anonymous No.6103602]

>>6103535
This is the greatest photograph of all time.

[Anonymous No.6103622]

>>6102995

>>>/pol/

[Étienne Brûlé 1832 !vRiBH2uekA No.6104482]

>>6103622
he is a writer and philosopher. He also wrote short fictions under a different pseudonym

[Anonymous No.6104713]

>>6103370
Theres nothing fundamentally different between being a Communist and an Anarchist. To be either is to desire the abolition of the State and the creation of a society where where power structures (especially economic ones, as these form the basis of all others) are democratic and formed based on mutual consent and understanding.

Ideological differences matter less now than ever before, because the powers that endorsed such rigid ideology have disintegrated, ideology has proven to be a relic of an era that ultimately failed Socialism.

[Anonymous No.6105026]

>>6103171
"anarchist economics" are essentialy marxism dumbed down. Proudhon was an antisemitic mysogynistic liberal prick.

[Anonymous No.6105029]

>>6103395
Though I agree with you I believe Trotsky was well aware of this.

[Anonymous No.6105143]

>>6105026
>proudhon represents anarchist economics
wow you literally could know less about the subject

[Anonymous No.6105151]

>>6103370
As opposed to all those successful marxist revolutions?

Anarchist revolutions might not have survived long-term, but at least they had legitimate elements of social revolution, unlike leninist revolutions which just placed bourgeois capitalism in the hands of the state and built a repressive police system to go with it

[Anonymous No.6105159]

>>6104713
While what you write is true in *some* sense, its obviously true that there is a difference between anarchists and "communists" of a leninist (trotskyite or stalinist) bent

Perhaps there is no difference between marxism and anarchism within the anti-authoritarian left (luxembourgists, councilists, anarchists etc)

[Anonymous No.6105163]

>>6103535
Jesus fuck I hate the US left so much, bunch of liberals who hasn't understood a word of Marx or Lenin.
>deviantart
Oh wow.

[Anonymous No.6105173]

>>6105163
>Lenin
>opposing queer liberation
God tankies get less and less crypto and more and more fascist every year

[Anonymous No.6105219]

>>6105173
What? No!

I'm absolutely for the liberation of non-normative gender identities and sexualities, but the liberal teens that make up the "progressive" moment in the US (and in large part Europe as well) mistakenly believe that mere change in specific structures is going to cause large-scale social change.

We mustn't say "the class struggle is prioritized before feminism/hbtq" but by only seeing a specific part of the system, they ignore that it's part of the greater hierarchic groundwork of capitalism.

[Anonymous No.6105237]

>>6105219
the fact that his sign says "socialist revolution now" makes me think that he is hardly a liberal identity politicker

His politics seem fine, he's just a douche

[Anonymous No.6105255]

>>6105237
No he's definitely part of the liberal agenda, even if he doesn't know it.

I known people like him, they make communism a lifestyle choice within the capitalist system, akin to the modern day green movement. They buy Das Kapital at Waterstones and then never read it, drink starbucks or whatever other coffee brand that says they support the rainforest and mistakenly believe that this is a revolutionary act.

Now, these people are usually 14-18 years old, and then either become liberals or actual leftists when they grow up, but the fact he looks 20+ and still acts like this suggest he's likely completely withdrawn from any actual politics.

[Anonymous No.6106123]

>>6105143
the second sentence was not intended to be connected to the first one. I just gave my opinion, completely unrelated to the topic. My core argument was that Bakunin's and Kropotkin's stuff are basically marxism light.

I used to call myself an anarchist a time ago. I read some Bakunin and some Kropotkin and I was underwhelmed by their work. Then I picked up Marx and I was fascinated by his accuracy and his rigor. IMHO his theories were far more appealing those of the anarchists.

[Anonymous No.6106293]

>Communism.

I'd say that a regulated Free Market to prevent monopolies, close observance of corporate practices, anti-poverty laws, and workers rights are about as fair as it's going to get.

Wealth should be obtained through work, we shouldn't just take away money from the few and give it to the many. If someone is more skilled, more intelligent, or better equipped to deal with life's challenges, it's fair that they succeed and keep the fruits of their labor.

[Anonymous No.6106875]

>>6105255
Given that "actual politics" happens in the workplace and household, of course that student is withdrawn from it. There are piddling few students who treat themselves as workers in a workplace. And they're mostly business and engineering students.

[Anonymous No.6106889]

>>6106293
>If someone is more skilled, more intelligent, or better equipped to deal with life's challenges, it's fair that they succeed and keep the fruits of their labor.
Are you implying that's what happens today?

[Anonymous No.6106910]

>>6106293
I know Karl Marx's name is synonymous, which isn't very fair, because there are many different currents and Marx spent a great deal of his time criticizing these in order to form his own.
Marx wrote at length about the difference between the difference between money in the form of wages and capital. Redistribution would not be effective in the form of money, only in the means of production.

[Anonymous No.6107451]

If I could go back in time to kill one person, it'd be Karl Marx.

[Émile Liénard 1955 !vRiBH2uekA No.6107464]

>>6107451
Wouldn't have mattered, he thought that Marxism was inevitable.

[Anonymous No.6108525]

>>6107464
You got a point breh

[Anonymous No.6108528]

>>6107451
why not nip all this shit in the bud and kill jesus instead? i mean kill him earlier