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[Anonymous No.6097176]

Does history repeat itself?

Pic only vaguely related.

[Anonymous No.6097184]

>>6097176
History is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake.

[Anonymous No.6097188]

I'm tempted to say yes.

[Anonymous No.6097411]

>>6097176
A better way of explaining it would be to say: History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes.

(I don't take credit for that but I've seen it attributed to many different people.)

[Anonymous No.6097427]

>>6097176
>Does history repeat itself?

No, but it has a sense of humor.

[Anonymous No.6097438]

>>6097176
of course it does. everything is cyclical.

[Anonymous No.6097482]

There is nothing new under the sun

[Anonymous No.6097492]

>>6097176
>Sukalin
>Not Sralin

[Anonymous No.6097515]

>>6097184
2/4/2015 will never again repeat itself (unless you like, mess with the calenders or something, but even then). You can only cross a river once in exactly the same way. There can be similar situations due to similar historical-material conditions, but it is never the same. There is change.

[Anonymous No.6097522]

>>6097176
In a sense, but we have only experienced a tiny portion of history so continually drawing parallels to the past isn't fruitful. I imagine some people will insist on it though and say that some interplanetary space conflict is actually a remanifrstation of a ww2 battle.

[Anonymous No.6097542]

the french have a saying
"plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose"

the more things change, the more they stay the same

[Anonymous No.6097805]

it's pretty much inevitable when human nature hasn't changed in thousands of years that we're still doing the same shit now that the Romans and Greeks did just with bigger guns

[Anonymous No.6097847]

>>6097176

[Anonymous No.6097856]

>>6097805
>when human nature hasn't changed in thousands of years
{{cn}}

p.s.: show me your dike

[Anonymous No.6097890]

>>6097176
>>6097847

[Anonymous No.6097907]

>>6097847
I always wonder if Nietzsche would consider our American era a return to Hellenic values.

[Anonymous No.6097914]

Rousseau = Marx
Robespierre = Lenin
Citizen = Comrade
Antonelle = Trotsky
Jacobin = Bolshevik
Conspiracy of Equals = Chernoe Znamia
Reign of Terror = Red Terror
Bonaparte = Stalin
Fouché = Beria

[Anonymous No.6097993]

>>6097907
Yes I remember the trigger warning homer put at the beginning of his tragedy.

[Anonymous No.6098065]

>>6097993
Rage Goddess Rage?

[Anonymous No.6098123]

History absolutely does not repeat itself. The continuing conditions of cause and effect that we like to separate into various events are far too many at any point in time, and far too unique at every instance, to allow any repetition. That's not to say that you won't be able to construct general patterns that show how certain conditions tend to unfold in similar directions. Corruption can lead to widespread incompetence or selfishness which can cause an empire to collapse. You can sum it up like that and say that history is repeating itself. But the details are utterly unique in every case. Should humanity one day go extinct, and some alien civilization visit our planet and research us, and sum it up: Humanity became the dominant species, and then they went extinct, therefore history repeats itself, have they then done our history justice?

[Anonymous No.6098134]

>>6097176
"History" the metaphysical concept advanced by philosophers is a normative abstraction and as such reproduces the normative values of the author. Marx's conception of History repeating, is that history repeats itself, the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce. (Brumaire). Marx here is asserting that there is a relationship inside human relations, such that Napoleon I and Napoleon III were similarly caused. I don't think this is a meaningful approach to history.

Arthur Marwick, "Two Approaches to Historical Study: the Metaphysical (including 'Postmodernism') and the Historical" (1995) is a good one.

In contrast "history" the practice of historians is a relatively limited project of reading documents for meaning.

[Anonymous No.6098138]

>>6097914
Except Talleyrand was actually not a faggot retard cuckold.

[Anonymous No.6098142]

>>6097492
mild kek

[Anonymous No.6098167]

>>6098138
>Bonaparte = Stalin
r u srs

[Anonymous No.6098185]

>>6098167
Why are you quoting me, cuckboi?

[Anonymous No.6098188]

>>6097482
you say there's nothing new, and oh my god that might be true, but what you think you're gonna do that's worthwhile when there's nothing for you? oh my god, i can see, and it takes twice as much as it used to for me

[Anonymous No.6098207]

>>6098167
Stalin turned the USSR into a dynamic, industrial and militaristic world empire and serious contender for global hegemony.

[Anonymous No.6098228]

>>6097176
History can't repeat itself because history isn't anything except an endless string of narratives.

[Anonymous No.6098276]

All I know is that the likely most well-read man, Antonio Magliabechi, who was also one of the rare individuals able to perfectly recall everything he'd ever read from all the tens of thousands of books he'd read, a man who couldn't be bothered to undress before going to bed because it'd take something like a minute each day that could instead be spent on reading, considered history to be more or less equally truthful as fiction, and usually without its literary qualities.

[Anonymous No.6098284]

>>6098207
>but no cultural force
pleb as fuck analogy

[Anonymous No.6098329]

No, but it sure does rhyme.

[Anonymous No.6098346]

>>6098276
Quantity is not quality. A book like this, a problem like this, is in no hurry; we both, I just as much as my book, are friends of lento. It is not for nothing that I have been a philologist, perhaps I am a philologist still, that is to say, A TEACHER OF SLOW READING:- in the end I also write slowly. Nowadays it is not only my habit, it is also to my taste - a malicious taste, perhaps? - no longer to write anything which does not reduce to despair every sort of man who is 'in a hurry'. For philology is that venerable art which demands of its votaries one thing above all: to go aside, to take time, to become still, to become slow - it is a goldsmith's art and connoisseurship of the WORD which has nothing but delicate, cautious work to do and achieves nothing if it does not achieve it lento. But precisely for this reason it is more necessary than ever today, by precisely this means does it entice and enchant us the most, in the midst of an age of 'work', that is to say, of hurry, of indecent and perspiring haste, which wants to 'get everything done' at once, including every old or new book:- this art does not so easily get anything done, it teaches to read WELL, that is to say, to read slowly, deeply, looking cautiously before and aft, with reservations, with doors left open, with delicate eyes and fingers...My patient friends, this book desires for itself only perfect readers and philologists: LEARN to read me well!

[Anonymous No.6098365]

>>6098346
"Magliabechi’s character is singular; for though his life was wholly passed in libraries, being librarian to the Duke of Tuscany, he never wrote himself. There is a medal which represents him sitting, with a book in one hand, and with a great number of books scattered on the ground. The candid inscription signifies, that “it is not sufficient to become learned to have read mach, if we read without reflection.” This is the only remains we have of his own composition that can be of service to posterity. A simple truth, which may however be inscribed in the study of every man of letters."

[Anonymous No.6098372]

>>6098365
>ywnb librarian to the Duke of Tuscany

[Anonymous No.6098401]

>>6098365
so basically he was a robot database of a man

[Anonymous No.6098429]

>>6098401
More or less the perfect bibliophile, yes. There also isn't a single portrayal of his appearance which doesn't show him with the same shit-eating grin, at least not as far as I know.

[Anonymous No.6098447]

>>6098401
"Although he lost no time in writing himself, he gave considerable assistance to authors who consulted him. He was himself an universal index to all authors. He had one book, among many others, dedicated to him, and this dedication consisted of a collection of titles of works which he had had at different times dedicated to him, with all the eulogiums addressed to him in prose and verse."

[Anonymous No.6098474]

>>6098284
What the fuck do you mean, no cultural force? He tremendously influenced Soviet film, art and music, and worked to great results to foster leftist academics and counterculture throughout the world.

[Anonymous No.6099926]

>>6097856
read a book you fuckface

human nature changes by evolution and evolution is slower than thousands of years

[Anonymous No.6099966]

>>6097176
Fugg I love this meme :DD