Genuinely curious: what sorts of jobs did you guys manage to get with your Philosophy and/or English degrees? Am I screwed or is there hope?

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Anonymous Mon Feb 2 16:06:09 2015 No.6088118 [Reply] [Original]

Genuinely curious: what sorts of jobs did you guys manage to get with your Philosophy and/or English degrees? Am I screwed or is there hope?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 16:06:56 2015 No.6088125 You could be a teacher

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 16:08:04 2015 No.6088132 Depends on your university. If you attend a good one, you can get jobs in Wall St, BigLaw, Advertising firms or M/B/B.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 16:08:41 2015 No.6088135 I feel like a phsycology degree is useful, but only in addition to something, only as a second degree. Am I wrong?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 16:09:52 2015 No.6088139 >>6088135 I hear that although there are plenty of positions available for Pyschology undergrads, they're not long term and they don't pay very well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 16:10:04 2015 No.6088141 >>6088135 *philosophy

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 16:11:28 2015 No.6088148 >>6088135 >>6088141 I'm a Philosophy and English undergrad. They go hand in hand as disciplines, perhaps better than any other combination I can think of. The problem is, does that translate economically?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 16:12:50 2015 No.6088158 >>6088148 See >>6088132

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 16:12:58 2015 No.6088159 Is it better to study for and get a job that you hate and read in your rare moments of peace (like me) or to study for your dream, get a job that you hate, and read in your rare moments of peace (like liberal arts majors)?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 16:13:22 2015 No.6088161 >>6088148 In the absence of other qualifications, it translates to a bit of derisive laughter before they hurl your resume in the trash. Why don't you figure out what sort of job you want, and go from there? And don't say professor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 16:21:49 2015 No.6088179 >>6088148 >>6088158 >>6088139 >>6088135 Thanks, guys. Pretty helpful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 16:22:58 2015 No.6088183 Tech writer, 60k starting. Its certainly nothing amazing but it lets me live on my own and still have a reasonable amount of time to write creatively.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 16:24:00 2015 No.6088187 >>6088132 How would a philosophy land a job at Wall St?

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 16:24:32 2015 No.6088192

>>6088118
I'm planning to get an undergrad in philosophy then go to med school before I hemorrhage too much money. Is this a viable option? I'm set on becoming a doctor but I love philosophy and would much rather spend four years learning about something important to me than spending my time in STEM. Should I give up the dream while I still have a chance?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 16:27:21 2015 No.6088202 Bachelor's degree in creative writing Currently the president of my own company. I sell and deliver MRI machines to hospitals at exorbitant prices.

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Mon Feb 2 16:27:57 2015 No.6088204 Tying "getting a job" so deeply to education has perverted the whole point of higher education, it's truly a shame. The College de France is one of the last bastions of sincere education instead of this getting-a-job bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 16:32:18 2015 No.6088223 >>6088192 Why would they let you into med school over the thousands of applicants with related undergrad work (Bsc, etc.)? Ask the department what your odds are and I suspect they'll tell you your plan is flawed.

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 16:44:43 2015 No.6088272

>>6088223
An increasing numbers of philosophy students are being accepted to med schools every year as they can stand out from other applicants who have similar MCAT scores. I wouldn't slack on the sciences either, the university I was looking at has a program geared towards students who are interested in medicine but would like to learn about philosophy (includes biology and chemistry courses). I am by no means lazy, and I could go probably go into health sciences if I wanted to, but I'd only do that if I knew it was necessary to go that way. I'll ask the admissions office to see what my chances are, but I am pretty determined to choose that path, even if it isn't the easiest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 16:46:47 2015 No.6088282 >>6088202 Fellow creative writing major. Please hire me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 17:22:22 2015 No.6088419 >>6088187 Depends on: >University prestige >class rank >internships >Extra-curriculars >non-English classes Although, it's much easier to get into consulting than Wall St.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 17:23:54 2015 No.6088424 >>6088192 Yes. You need an impeccable undergraduate record though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 17:27:03 2015 No.6088433 File: 9 KB, 230x230, 1417909404249.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >majoring in your hobby Economics master race fuckboi, get dat paper.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 17:30:46 2015 No.6088447 Go STEM or go home, you fucking liberal arts welfare cases.

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 17:34:56 2015 No.6088451

>>6088118
Nah, you can get just about any job you want with these degrees. Unlike STEM majors, Philosophy and English majors know how to communicate clearly, so in that regard you're at an advantage. A friend of mine with a philosophy degree works as an engineer. Another friend with an English degree works for an ad agency. You'll have lots of options. Don't believe the "STEM degrees guarantee jobs" nonsense. A quick look into the statistics says otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 17:36:22 2015 No.6088456 >>6088125 Oh boy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 17:37:02 2015 No.6088458 >>6088433 >majoring in the dismal nonscience

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 17:38:28 2015 No.6088462 Eh I'm finishing my engineering degree, had a good paid internship, can probably get a solid entry level job. Maybe I can make a good amount of money and write in my free time without killing myself.

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 17:38:36 2015 No.6088464

>>6088451
Best response so far, thanks. I guess when your skill is thinking and communicating, the path to a job is less clear than STEM not because the options are so few, but because they are so loosely defined...

I'll be looking around myself, but where are these statistics that you're talking about?

I suppose, after considering what you've said, the question is no longer "what is possible" but "what is recommended"? Where do I stand the best chance?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 17:43:04 2015 No.6088480 >>6088451 >Unlike STEM majors, Philosophy and English majors know how to communicate clearly wat

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 17:48:13 2015 No.6088501

English & creative writing majors don't have a problem finding a job, there's plenty of manuals, reports, articles and marketing copy that needs a writer behind it, and lots of proofreading and editing gigs for the same reason.
A Bachelor in Philosophy won't get you a job, but law schools like philosophy majors because they're already thinking about and debating abstract principles. You can also consider an MBA or MD if you have the pre-reqs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 17:50:04 2015 No.6088506 >>6088501 *need a writer behind them

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 17:50:41 2015 No.6088509

>>6088480
Writing/talking in STEM disciplines necessitates a highly specific terminology that may be incompatible with other disciplines.

While this is also true of Philosophical inquiry, English (and the broader strokes of Critical Thinking which are found in the everyday-applicable side of Philosophy) studies delve deeper into our everyday natural language. Although your actual coursework will be highly specific, it is largely motivated by crafting greater clarity elsewhere in your life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 17:51:59 2015 No.6088512 >>6088509 Communicating ideas is still immensely important in STEM. Don't get the idea that we're all stuttering autistics.

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 17:52:32 2015 No.6088514

>>6088464
>where are these statistics you're talking about

A variety of surveys have been done on what people major in and what jobs they end up with. Here's some data that shows that the majority STEM graduates do not get STEM jobs. http://www.census.gov/dataviz/visualizations/stem/stem-html/

If you're interested, just do a Google search on the topic and you'll find more data and many articles on the topic.

What's recommended really depends on what you're interested in. My friends weren't too particular and so they applied to a wide range of jobs. I recall the philosophy grad saying that he ignored all of the applicant requirements the companies posted and that in some cases they were flexible and considered him despite not meeting all of the requirements.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 17:53:51 2015 No.6088521 >>6088118 If you still want a job after studying philosophy you didn't learn anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 17:56:39 2015 No.6088531 >>6088204 >The College de France is one of the last bastions of sincere education instead of this getting-a-job bullshit. You mean still, like in our times?

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:01:23 2015 No.6088545

>>6088512
I must agree, but I suppose my point is that this communication is qualitatively different from the sort of communication done in English and Philosophy. The latter sort is universal; STEM is largely self-contained. Also:
>STEM=autism
uttered only by autists themselves.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:04:46 2015 No.6088554 >>6088521 I didn't say I WANTED a job. But I think it's difficult to deny that, short of making it big by self-publishing (LOL) or becoming the next Bill Gates, I'm gonna need to work somewhere if I don't want to die of starvation.

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:05:46 2015 No.6088562

>>6088509
>>6088512
I know it's important in STEM, and I would never argue that all STEM majors have poor communication skills, but where I work a lot of STEM grads are rejected because they have only a tenuous grasp on grammar, and oftentimes fail to properly punctuate. Their vocabularies are often large, they've memorized all of the jargon they were taught, but they don't know how to use these words with elegance.

However, some of the most clear, proficient writers I've encountered have been STEM grads. There seems to be a more pronounced gap between the proficient writers and the poor writers in STEM subjects than there is in humanities subjects.

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:05:46 2015 No.6088563

>>6088118
Let's face it, philosophy degree has abolutely no value for any kind of work. But to make you feel better - neither does STEM. I'm a physics major, I work as an astrophysicist and i don't use 95% of the things I learned in college. Your degree isn't everything, you dont need a degree to learn programing or basicly whatever the fuck you want. A friend of mine studies theology and he works in bank. For like 90% of jobs you don't need a degree so philosophy isn't that terrible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:06:40 2015 No.6088564 File: 3 KB, 125x120, 1417322616030.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6088554 >He doesn't want to die of starvation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:09:44 2015 No.6088578 >>6088521 that depends on the philosophy

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:12:12 2015 No.6088590 >>6088118 Public relations. Requires strong verbal and written communication skills. Creative thinking in support of keeping the masses squealing, feeding little piggies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:12:25 2015 No.6088592 >>6088554 >I'm gonna need to work somewhere if I don't want to die of starvation. that the myth they be telling all them wage slaves

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:15:31 2015 No.6088603 File: 58 KB, 501x900, GjtPAwN.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6088564 >>6088554 >You any kind of philosopher? Anybody know who you are? You’re a no-talent piece of shit. How dare you come on here and do this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:17:47 2015 No.6088614 Philosophy grad here. I work in fulfillment at an online retailer. Everyone that I know from my graduating philosophy class has normal jobs if they didn't go to grad school. Going back to school next year for my doctorate.

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:19:30 2015 No.6088621

Should i get a degree in the arts? I'm working minimum wage at the moment anyway, so it's not like it would worsen my situation. Debt doesn't matter, because uni is practically free here.

Degrees with better job prospects don't interest me in the slightest, so if i go down that route, i will probably just fail massively anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:20:07 2015 No.6088625 >>6088118 majored in english with a concentration in poetry/poetics have consulting job after graduation all depends on the school you went to

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:21:42 2015 No.6088629 File: 13 KB, 286x311, 9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I took a 2-year library technician course at a community college, got a job a month after graduating, and now make $75k a year.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:22:32 2015 No.6088632 >>6088625 which school did you go to? how did you get a consulting job? what kind of consulting? how much does it pay? what qualifications did you have on graduation?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:23:24 2015 No.6088636 >>6088629 What's an average day of work like, you lucky bastard?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:24:15 2015 No.6088638 >>6088187 Janitor

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:29:53 2015 No.6088660 Some companies are employing philosophically educated people for their critical and analytical thinking abilities. I think it's mostly stuff like software architecture.

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:30:03 2015 No.6088661

>>6088451
It's true that you can still get (as long as it's low on specific qualifications) any job while you happen to have a phil degree under your belt, but the degree itself won't be what helps you get the job. In some cases you might even have to purposedly keep it off your resume to get better chances.

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:33:21 2015 No.6088680

>>6088632

ivy league

on-campus recruiting

management consulting

~120k with 20k signing bonus

a lot of it comes down to pattern identification, problem solving, analytical thinking, and being able to form and present cogent arguments to people that don't really want to listen to you. being likable, friendly, and not too ugly helps.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:34:35 2015 No.6088692 >>6088660 >Wanting to be a PM or the like Not worth it. The typical STEM neckbeard doesn't pay attention to whatever you say or do. I see the frustration in the PMs at my job and I would never want to deal with the typical moron developer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:38:44 2015 No.6088717 >>6088692 Neither they want to deal with you if it helps in any way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:41:50 2015 No.6088735 >>6088717 Anon means code monkeys or something like that. It's not about STEM people as such, probably.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:42:11 2015 No.6088736 >>6088680 >Management consulting >actively posting on 4chin on Monday Sure thing bud. In any case, what this guy says is almost true. Total first-year compensation is over 100k. Just get into a decent university, be presentable and don't fuck up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:48:18 2015 No.6088751 >>6088660 I rly can't imagine why would you hire philosopher for software architecture. There is essentially 0 connection.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 18:51:29 2015 No.6088761 >>6088736 last semester senior here—i interned last summer and start in the fall

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 19:14:02 2015 No.6088840 ITT Bunch of NEETs talking about jobs they will never apply to. >med belongs to STEM kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 19:26:26 2015 No.6088901 >>6088282 you need a minimum five years experience to be considered for a position in my company

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 19:28:01 2015 No.6088908 >>6088840 why would you work when you can be NEET and read all day?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 19:33:30 2015 No.6088932 >>6088272 As far as I'm aware universities don't really discriminate with the different undergraduates as long as you've got the necessary GPA and MCAT score.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 19:33:51 2015 No.6088934 >>6088908 What do NEETs live from? And for how long?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 19:39:07 2015 No.6088955 >>6088272 >>6088223 Do you guys think it's possible as a music major to get into med school? I'm planning on taking science classes in the summer and in the future, and I'm only a freshman.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 19:47:36 2015 No.6088990 I majored in English I work in consulting as well get into a good college and it's all good there was a lot of recruiting every year and one good internship can get you a job right out of college

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 19:54:19 2015 No.6089026 Lol, I followed people's advise and ditched a Philsophy degree over a CS one. I'm starting to think it was a bad decision, everyone here knows a shit ton about programming, and I'm quite isolated.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 19:55:29 2015 No.6089033 >>6088934 Welfare. Forever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 20:01:24 2015 No.6089064 >>6089026 Why would you pick a CS degree if you're not good at programming. At least in Philosophy you can BS your way through abstract concepts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 20:08:14 2015 No.6089100 >>6089033 Which country?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 20:12:02 2015 No.6089121 >>6089100 any civilised country

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 20:14:31 2015 No.6089130 >>6088451 >A friend of mine with a philosophy degree works as an engineer top kek, and people believed this post

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 20:15:42 2015 No.6089133 >>6089100 Under the sea.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 20:16:16 2015 No.6089134 >>6088603 >studies philosophy to be smart >still shitposting with bad stereotypes top lel

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 20:16:45 2015 No.6089138 >>6089064 Well people say English and Philosophy won't get you any jobs, so I went and looked for the career that would most likely get me one, and stumbled upon CS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 20:17:30 2015 No.6089142 >>6088692 >implying it's important to pay attention to someone that gives advice totally useless and impractical to the software

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 21:07:03 2015 No.6089343 >>6088183 What kind of industry/company do you write for? How'd you get into it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 21:17:02 2015 No.6089394 File: 87 KB, 526x526, 1422116543663.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What major can guarantee a 50k job with OPTIMAL COMFINESS. I enjoy being comfy.

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 21:20:56 2015 No.6089412

>>6088187

As someone who has worked with larger Wall Street firms and financial institutions, your undergraduate major is of small consideration in the hiring process. These firms want to see that you can ''hump'' all the requirements of an Ivy League education. Essentially, the major doesn't land you the job, the school brand does.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 21:23:52 2015 No.6089423 >>6088761 Ah. I worked for BCG for two years. They payed well(total compensation was tad over 100k) is the pay that much better now?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 21:33:50 2015 No.6089457 >>6088183 What are your hours like? What's a typical day for you, including an example of a typical assignment (for lack of a better word)? Please

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 21:37:07 2015 No.6089467 >>6088629 That truly sounds too good to be true, and unless you answer >>6088636 or post some believable fabrication, Imma just assume you're lying

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 21:38:49 2015 No.6089478 >>6089467 A nominal salary that isn't on the extreme end of the scale doesn't tell you much by itself. Look at the job, location, and education required.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 21:57:06 2015 No.6089556 >>6089478 You're right, but $76k for an associate's degree is pretty remarkable, regardless of cost of living

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 21:58:17 2015 No.6089560 >What jobs did you get after graduating from your English degree Literature PhD here. Psychic Medium, self-employed.

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:00:05 2015 No.6089570

I just graduated with a degree in philosophy and have struggled to find a job.

No, this isn't because i chose to study philosophy. Its because I chose to not be an engineer.

Currently, I am substitute teaching at local high schools and middle schools until I get my teaching credential.

From there, I will teach shit high schoolers about babby literature until I get my masters in Philosophy.

Once I get my masters in philosophy, I will teach part time at a community college and teach little shits like 19 year old me the value of knowledge.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:03:23 2015 No.6089578 >>6088159 well, the first option probably means you're not a dependent so, y'know, if that's important to you

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:03:51 2015 No.6089582 Question: What do you do if you think you're too dumb for sciences like physics/EE/CS, but also want to get money and so don't want to major in literature/lit/philosophy? What's left, vocational schools?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:08:13 2015 No.6089599 >>6089582 Go into IT.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:11:30 2015 No.6089611 >>6089582 >too dumb for sciences it's way easier than you think.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:18:39 2015 No.6089635 How hard is it to get into IT as a philo/soc double major? I'm about to graduate and I haven't taken the GRE yet so I'm taking a year off before applying to grad school.

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:19:38 2015 No.6089639

>>6089599

Why do you say that?

>>6089611

Maybe so. I'm in Calc2 right now (my academic track is fucked, I still haven't taken physics officially yet), and starting to hit a wall. I was thinking about getting into acoustical engineering via EE, but idk.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:20:10 2015 No.6089641 >>6088183 How do you get paid that much as a technical writer? I got offered a position at fucking Whirlpool as a technical writer but turned it down because they only offered 36k

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:23:45 2015 No.6089661

i was an english and philosophy double major at a a decent state school

kinda fucked up in my last year and didn't do any internships or shit like that. spent my years after graduation working shitty jobs. worked as a van driver, as a cook, as a warehouse worker

finally found a job as a junior copywriter a few years after graduation at a marketing firm. pays a 34k salary, which is the most i've maken yet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:24:13 2015 No.6089664 >>6089582 you can always get into a comfy middle management HR position with psychology

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:24:56 2015 No.6089668 Well I managed to get a call center job with my Finance degree, so I'm sure you guys can get something. By the way I read all the time and post here constantly. Just so you know, this Finance major is probably more well read than some Lit majors.

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:26:04 2015 No.6089675
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>>6089582

>too dumb for science

>avid philosopher

try asking a genius brilliant science dood who majored in science to talk about philosophy with you. chances are, you'll end up with a migraine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:27:24 2015 No.6089681 >>6089639 I wish I could give you an advice on your math problem, but really the only way is to exercise until it's easy. If you are having too much trouble, than perhaps you should review some old classes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:29:35 2015 No.6089693 >>6089661 >maken

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:34:18 2015 No.6089716

>>6089675

>try asking a genius brilliant philosopher dood who majored in philosophy to talk about computer science with you. chances are, you'll end up with a migraine [sic]

Why should a computer scientist have to know every philosophical argument known to man? Today knowledge is specialized such that we must often humble ourselves by referring to an expert opinion.

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:39:39 2015 No.6089746

>>6089641

Like another anon said, salary w/o location doesn't mean much. Might live in Cali or something.

>>6089664

Huh, that's true, hadn't considered that route...

>>6089675

>imblybing I ever said I was a philosopher
>or said that science doods r brilliant
>even comparing different fields of study in that way

Anyway, I'm well aware, I know a few people who went to GA Tech...Not sure what that has to do with anything, though

>>6089681

It's not a big deal really; like you said it's just a matter of practice, nothing that can't be overcome. But thank you for the concern. My main concern is doing really complex math and logic stuff for a living, just not too confident in my ability to do it consistently and/or well...but hey

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:39:44 2015 No.6089747 File: 118 KB, 500x333, gucc.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6089661 >maken

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:44:27 2015 No.6089760 >>6088562 >There seems to be a more pronounced gap between the proficient writers and the poor writers in STEM subjects than there is in humanities subjects. It's massive. The high ratio of ESL students doesn't help.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:46:11 2015 No.6089773 >>6089716 science is learned. philosophy is experienced. [spoilers] and learned

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:48:38 2015 No.6089786 >>6089773 and learned : ]

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:54:22 2015 No.6089809
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Quite a few psychoanalysts got their M.A. and even B.A. in philosophy and english, then went to training school (2/4-6 years depending on where you go).

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:55:24 2015 No.6089815 >>6089773 I feel like you could argue that science (math in particular) is experienced, too...

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:57:08 2015 No.6089821

>>6089693
>>6089747
you know i thought about that when I had accidently written "maken" and just decided to leave it that way to upset autists, and because that's how i would have pronounced it

>>6089746
>Like another anon said, salary w/o location doesn't mean much. Might live in Cali or something
this job was with whirlpool hq in southwestern michigan. plenty of rich people with houses on the lake, but you can rent apartments close by for super cheap, like a 1 bdrm for $450/month. pretty cheap but it wasn't a salary i was willing to settle for

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:58:00 2015 No.6089824 >>6089716 Well, I'd argue a lot of philosophy falls under 'general culture' that all educated people should have an understanding of, as opposed to Computer Science, but I agree with your overall point that knowledge is far more specialized today.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:59:16 2015 No.6089831 >>6089815 nope. its boring repetition. basically, anyone can do it and if they can't, then you know they are REALLY retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 22:59:53 2015 No.6089835 >>6088680 This line of thinking is correct. Permit yourself a humanities degree in one of two cases: 1) You are at an ivy-league university 2) You do not care about financial comfort. That's pretty much it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 23:01:24 2015 No.6089840 Not /lit/, but has anyone here ever taken a Quantitative Methods for Social Sciences class? What was the experience like? I may be taking such a course in the near future.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 23:03:56 2015 No.6089850 >>6089835 You forgot: 3) you're able to be financially comfortable without employment

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 23:07:27 2015 No.6089864

>>6089831

I mean in a more general, subliminal kinda way. Like how they say that people do calculus subconsciously when trying to catch a ball or something.

But you're just talking about memorizing facts/theorems and shit, which...idk, if you have a piss poor memory, that doesn't necessarily mean you're retarded

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 23:07:54 2015 No.6089866 >2015 >not going with anthropology

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 23:09:35 2015 No.6089877 File: 542 KB, 811x710, condescendinglain.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6089866 Right

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 23:11:51 2015 No.6089887

>>6089840
I thought it was really boring, though the statistical concepts were interesting. I might have had a boring professor.

Most of our class was devoted to recording data through surveys, and inputting the data into SPSS and manipulating it. I know someone else who took the same class with a different professor though, and hers was much more focused on the conceptual processes (though they also did labs).

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 23:12:33 2015 No.6089891

>>6089343

I work in the IT field, and I do documentation for products for a mid-sized company. After graduating college, I worked odd jobs (sometimes two at a time) while applying, and it took me roughly a year and a few months out of college until I landed the job I currently work in. This was a little over two years ago, so (hopefully) the economy is a little better now then it used to be. It's a real shit-show but you have to keep at it, even past the point of wanting to give up and jump off a bridge (I was in that position many times).

>>6089457

It depends a lot. I usually work 8 hour days, sometimes less. The job is quite relaxed though most of the time (sometimes I'm even afforded time to work on personal writing when projects are slow). We work in Agile (which I suggest everyone learn if you want to work corporate), so I will look at all the tasks that Development is doing for the day, determine if they need documentation, and work with them to get it done that day. It's much easier then it might seem.

>>6089641

I started at 55k. I had a very full resume in terms of work experience, and even though it wasn't related to the industry I was applying for, it allowed me to negotiate for much higher then they wanted to give me. I asked my boss why he hired me after I got settled in and he said it was because I had been working pretty much without gaps since I was 16, which he liked and didn't see a lot in young people's resumes today.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 23:15:13 2015 No.6089909 >>6089831 No, upper level math classes are the most difficult classes one can take in university.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 23:20:01 2015 No.6089939 File: 52 KB, 499x499, smuggles.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw mechanical engineer and never had to worry about a job

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 23:24:21 2015 No.6089961 >Applying to Chapman and various other schools to pursue screenwriting. Am I fucked /lit/?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 23:27:03 2015 No.6089981 File: 1.99 MB, 320x240, albundy.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6089939 >mfw you're still a dumb frogposter

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 23:31:14 2015 No.6090009 >>6089831 Confirmed for never taking math past calculus

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 23:33:37 2015 No.6090018 File: 40 KB, 265x400, dennis_rodman_double_team_001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6088118 I'm going to be a cool guy. it's going to be cool.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 23:34:24 2015 No.6090021 >>6089909 >hasn't taken an advanced metaphysics course suck my fucking dick. then you'll know hard. >>6089864 lol maybe, lemme think about that for a bit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 23:37:17 2015 No.6090034 >>6088901 :^)

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 23:38:58 2015 No.6090043 >>6089831 Is this what people really tell themselves?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 23:40:07 2015 No.6090049 >>6089412 And sucking cock, but that story is written on another page...

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 23:40:45 2015 No.6090054 Teaching philosophy

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 23:42:43 2015 No.6090067 >>6090054 how do i do that

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 2 23:45:44 2015 No.6090081 >>6089961 Yes. I have three friends who have done this. NYU, around LA, good schools. Do not do this. If you care about security or income.

Anonymous Mon Feb 2 23:47:44 2015 No.6090089

>>6090067

How do you do what?

I got a philosophy doctorate, I don't know how you call it in europe or america but it's the highest possible degree. So I a qualified to teach philosophy.

I teach Ethics, Philosphy of Science and I used to teach Philosohpy of Law.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 00:21:16 2015 No.6090310 >>6090081 What are your friends doing now?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 00:23:52 2015 No.6090331 I think I may want to go into linguistic research anyone here major in ligustics?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 00:28:58 2015 No.6090362 >>6090331 it's not what you expect it to be

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 00:31:53 2015 No.6090378 >>6090362 explain pls

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 00:32:23 2015 No.6090380 >>6090378 nah

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 00:38:18 2015 No.6090403 >>6090310 One of them's writing propaganda videos for Microsoft. He's in charge of the subliminal messaging.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 01:42:25 2015 No.6090722 >>6089891 >better now then it used to be >then Also, you put every job since 16 on resume? And it was a good thing?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 01:45:09 2015 No.6090734 File: 37 KB, 300x391, 1371026306685.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6089821 They're autists for calling out the "junior copywriter" on "maken." Right.

Anonymous Tue Feb 3 01:50:12 2015 No.6090759

If you like to think and read and write, go into law. A lot of students are disappointed with law school because they thought it'd be like TV, when lawyers spend most of their days reading and writing.

Government is in desperate need of good writers. You know our era is a sad one when "Yes we can" is actually considered a great speech.

Anonymous Tue Feb 3 01:54:14 2015 No.6090781

>>6088501

neither law school nor the practice of law depend on one's ability to 'debate abstract principles'

STEM majors tend to outperform liberal arts/humanities majors on the LSAT and tend to get better jobs because they're the only ones qualified to get the sweet IP, patent, tech etc. jobs.

believe me im a senior in poli sci with good grades, but dont kid yourself into thinking law school is the respite to your early 20's crisis-- especially if youre in philosophy or english.

Anonymous Tue Feb 3 02:02:33 2015 No.6090816

>>6090759

this is misleading. if you really enjoy thinking and reading and writing you should consider becoming a writer.

if you can tolerate reading soul crushing texts and drafting mind numbing documents you should consider law. of course this wouldnt necessarily apply to you if you have a particular interest or passion in practicing law itself. but then again since the only type of law that one could actually make a living off of is firm work, and given that firm work is so banal, thats hard to imagine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 02:22:02 2015 No.6090917 >>6090759 >>6090816 Isn't the law job market really shitty these days?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 02:22:20 2015 No.6090920 >>6090816 >soul crushing texts and drafting mind numbing documents No, this is misleading. Law isn't tits and explosions, but if that's your bag write schlock for Hollywood.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 02:24:27 2015 No.6090930 >>6090917 For bad students, yes. Sucks you can't drift through law school with bad grades and get a great job anyway, anymore. Life's tough.

Anonymous Tue Feb 3 03:11:03 2015 No.6091058

>>6090917
Yes, big gamble. Large debt and only jobs for the top 15-20% really. As much as everyone likes to believe they are super special, there is a large talent pool and a lot of hard working people out there. Also there are traits such as people skills and attractiveness which come into play for high income as a lawyer. On an purely economical basis it's only worth it to the very top percentile, unless, you genuinely want to become a lawyer.

The fact they try to sell a law degree as a general business type qualification should tell you about the state of the job market for lawyers. Job numbers for lawyers post graduation released from unis are utter shit, and generally count all work in the numbers. Works 8 hours a week at start bucks = +1 employed legal graduate employee.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 03:12:05 2015 No.6091062 >>6088135 Philosophy majors have the highest passing rate for med school entrance exams, strange fact really.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 04:13:36 2015 No.6091236 >>6089831 Doing math and really understanding math are two very different things. Even a monkey could learn the first, the second is pretty rare even between STEM majors.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 04:22:50 2015 No.6091262 >>6089394 Become a priest

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 04:24:20 2015 No.6091270 >>6088118 Teacher. Professor if I have good remarks.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Tue Feb 3 05:53:29 2015 No.6091450 >>6091062 Medical schools do not have "entrance exams."

Anonymous Tue Feb 3 06:01:01 2015 No.6091463 [DELETED]

Started off flipping burgers (or watching a machine flip them, which is probably depressing), worked at sports stadiums as a steward, worked as a waiter in a hotel with a bunch of Slovaks, French, Spaniards, Romanians etc, worked in a pub, now working full-time as an office junior while trying to get my first novella published (probably not gonna happen) and working on my second book which is written in the second person

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 06:01:14 2015 No.6091464 >>6090759 LAW IS PLEB AS FUCK AND EVIL

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 06:10:34 2015 No.6091480 english degree: worked my way up the corporate ladder from call center to database reporter. dropped it and moved to nyc. did more database reporting for a nonprofit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 06:14:57 2015 No.6091487 >>6091480 What's database reporting?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 06:18:26 2015 No.6091494 >>6091487 finding numbers using SQL, Access, &c

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 06:21:12 2015 No.6091500 >>6091494 Full-time work sucks

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 06:24:04 2015 No.6091505 >>6091500 true but it paid off my debts. i'm working part time in retail now and there's a bunch of qts and material for writing but it's financially unsustainable. i need to go back to programming.

Anonymous Tue Feb 3 06:34:09 2015 No.6091527

>>6088118
Editing at a media/advertising company.

Choices post-uni were retail, customer service or a couple of editing spots. Networked the fuck out of one in particular that offered health insurance, generous holiday and leave benefits, close to home.

50% of the job is talking to clients so you get as clear an idea as possible with what they want. Then the artists, designers and wizards go to work on said product. Everything they do ends up at my station for proof-reading, editing and checking. The artists and I are bros because I spend more time talking the clients around to why x's font and approach is beneficial to their vision. They usually piss and moan about it "not being what they want" but these people rarely "know." Meanwhile, we have broken multi-million dollar deals and hired 11 new people in the last quarter. Not bad for a 2-year-old operation.

Started at $40k, up to $47k because muh expansionist economy. Should be up to $55k this year (renew contract in April) because we all work well together, and I don't fuck around while I'm at work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 06:43:45 2015 No.6091546 >>6091505 Move to Portland and we can split the bills while we both work part-time retail and write. Retail is so much more fun than any office job I've had.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 06:48:15 2015 No.6091557 >>6091546 its like you enjoy being a failure

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 06:51:34 2015 No.6091561 >>6091450 Not entrance exams as such, I don't know what they're called in the states in Australia it's GAMSAT. The tests you are required to take to enter medical training.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 06:51:46 2015 No.6091562 >>6091546 I really like retail, my wardrobe is pretty nice now, but I'm stuck in Seattle because of family stuff. We can hang out at Oregon Country Fair.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 06:52:20 2015 No.6091564 >>6091557 I'm going to school, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 06:52:21 2015 No.6091566 >>6091557 Good goy >>6091546 >tfw no qt writer buddy to rent a small place and work part-time while encouraging each others' writing

Anonymous Tue Feb 3 06:57:53 2015 No.6091577

>>6091562
I think I've missed it every year, actually. But you've encouraged me to not forget this time and finally go.

>>6091566
It's the dream. I've got a couple people I'm considering moving in with and they're all great friends of mine, but none are writers, although a couple are actors which is alright.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 07:12:01 2015 No.6091605 Teacher is the only respectable answer. If you become a "tech writer" or work in advertising or copy, you're a spineless faggot who might as well have majored in business.

Anonymous Tue Feb 3 08:32:59 2015 No.6091699
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>>6088204

>Tying "getting a job" so deeply to education has perverted the whole point of higher education, it's truly a shame.

Mon nègre!

The only intelligent comment ITT. And from a tripfag, no less

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 10:12:16 2015 No.6091909 >>6090722 No, I put my college work and spoke about my experience before that as a buffer (IE: "I have these jobs but I've been working since 16"). Also I didn't job hop and despite having that much experience, only had about four jobs to list.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 10:16:37 2015 No.6091916 Well, you can work at libraries with it Or become a phil/ethics/logic professor

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 10:17:18 2015 No.6091919 >>6088118 work hard and you'll be fine probably not swimming in lakes of money, but maybe enough to fill a bathtub

Anonymous Tue Feb 3 10:24:46 2015 No.6091930

>>6088118

I did loads of things. I taught English overseas, finally ended up working for an oil company, which was kind of fun. Had nothing to do with my degree though.

I also played poker for five years for my bread, again, degree unrelated, but I did kind of perfect my poker skills at uni.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 10:26:08 2015 No.6091934 >>6088563 I read somewhere that the vast majority of STEM graduates work in fields utterly unrelated - there just aren't enough engineering etc. jobs to go round, so there's qualified architects working at MacDo just to make ends meet.

how do I get into philosophy? Tue Feb 3 10:36:27 2015 No.6091947
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Where do people start? Im looking for a more productive hobby, I don't want to just consume shit anymore. I want to be able to read something and take away from it, apply

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 10:40:57 2015 No.6091955 >>6088433 >majoring in your hobby Indeed, law here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 10:41:36 2015 No.6091956 I'm a software engineer now. Wish I was writing for papers though, or doing something humanities based.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 10:42:36 2015 No.6091957 What can a guy with a degree in classics and a masters in spanish do? Help me /lit/

Anonymous Tue Feb 3 10:44:32 2015 No.6091958

History major/English minor. I work in a law office and go to grad school for something unrelated. I moved out of my parents' and I'm doing ok. I don't have loans from my undergrad but I'm accruing some from grad school. Cost of living is fairly cheap where I am because I live in a ghetto major Northern US city.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 11:32:13 2015 No.6092075 >>6091947 Spend 10% of your time reading and 90% on thinking about what you have just read. The more you do this, the better you become at it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 11:48:40 2015 No.6092146 >>6092075 What are some good beginner texts?

Anonymous Tue Feb 3 11:52:14 2015 No.6092157

>>6092075

stop posting.

read fucking all of the time. have a journal where you keep your reflections after you read something and then KEEP READING. do not fill all of your time with just mere thinking, you will become an autodidact. reflection is critical but read as much as you can.

start with plato. there are a trilion different resources on how to get started on reading philosophy. go to reddit's philosophy (or askphilosophy) page and read the side bar.

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Tue Feb 3 12:23:30 2015 No.6092281

>>6091957
>masters in a Romance language
>actually paying to waste four years of your life being taught one of the easiest languages on the planet

Are you mentally retarded? You could be the next Werner von Braun and if I saw "masters of Spanish" on your resume I would trash it without a second thought.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 13:00:47 2015 No.6092409 >>6091947 >wanting to be 'productive' Productive towards what end? Viewing productivity as inherently good is a protestant pleb meme.

Anonymous Tue Feb 3 13:11:36 2015 No.6092460

I wanted to major in English/Litshit, etc. but i ended up doing major Pollysci with a minor in english, and am now working on my juris doctorate in lawschool (2nd year).

Job wise, I worked at a courthouse (in varying degrees due to consistent promotions) for 5 or 6 years starting near the end of highschool up through undergrad. Once I got into lawschool I dropped that and now I work two jobs while I school: 'legal intern' at one company and then 'legal intern researcher' at another.

I've gotten a few of my friends who have english major stuff

Anonymous Tue Feb 3 13:14:13 2015 No.6092475
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>>6092460
Woops, clicked submit without meaning to:

I've gotten a few of my friends who have english majors jobs at my past work, or just connections with people I know who have job openings.

The main thing my litbros have a hard time with is just flat out getting their first job, since most of them (despite my protests) hold high expectations on what their first job will be, and refuse shit-tier jobs, which I think are necessary just to flush out your resume.

Main thing has just been connections still, more-so than major.

i just want to be zizek and eat bugs all day

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 13:21:15 2015 No.6092513 >>6092157 Wrong. Integrating the things you read into your own edifices is way more time consuming than reading shit. This is analogous to eating (reading) and digestion (thinking),

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 13:30:19 2015 No.6092559 >>6092157 Another thing: I don't think you know what it means to be an autodidact. Don't use that word again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 14:14:10 2015 No.6092701 Is a Comparative Lit. degree worth it?

Anonymous Tue Feb 3 14:42:10 2015 No.6092782

>>6088118
>English degrees
Junior Copywriter at an advertising agency, but I did an internship for half a year, which you should do while still a student. Afterwards you become a trainee, which is a slightly less exploited internish person, and now I'm a copywriter, although I also do consultingy things and get paid closer to consulting (which is more than copywriting generally).

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 17:42:22 2015 No.6093460 Surprised at the lack of paralegals. Many of my peers that studied philosophy ended up in law firms.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 17:57:18 2015 No.6093532 >>6088204 this is so true and it is deeply depressing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 21:24:51 2015 No.6094361 >>6092475 >>6092460 I do believe we know each other irl, good sir! There is only one law student I have met who would use that picture. I never tire of hearing your nuanced explanations btw.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 3 21:26:11 2015 No.6094366 >>6092782 just a question, how much do you make salary? i'm a junior copywriter and make 38k salary

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 4 01:09:17 2015 No.6095101 >>6091450 >>6091561 Most schools in the US require the MCAT.

Anonymous Wed Feb 4 01:38:35 2015 No.6095183

>>6089639

Speaking as a 4th year engineering student I can tell you that you don't need Calc 2 after 1st year.
(speaking as a CivE)
I mean, we needed calc and linear algebra for continuum mechanics and formulation of differential equations for numerical analysis, but only those two courses, and they don't expect you to do the extreme math on exams so you can just use Wolfram for your assignments.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 4 04:00:58 2015 No.6095547 >>6088204 Can't believe people eat this shit up, some artist types are too far removed from reality. If you can't see how it is inevitable higher education becomes deeply linked to getting a (good) job in a capitalist society there is no hope for you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 4 04:04:17 2015 No.6095558 >>6088223 Not sure why they do let them in but it's a fact philosophy majors have the highest acceptance rate into med school. There is a lot of screening involved in going to med-school, not all of it is related to school.

Anonymous Wed Feb 4 04:08:09 2015 No.6095563

>>6088451
>A friend of mine with a philosophy degree works as an engineer

He doesn't do any real engineering, or you're from a third world country. It's generally illegal, or useless as a qualified engineer is required for a lot of sign offs or design work.

Despite the fact STEM majors can't communicate as you say they still destroy the arts majors on accounts of graduate employment numbers and income.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 4 04:35:30 2015 No.6095613 English lit BA, communications MA. Tech writer, 10 years experience, 90K. Software is where the demand is highest. I now know how to use Linux and write Python scripts and read Java. I hate my life, but it's so darn comfortable that I refuse to change.

Anonymous Wed Feb 4 05:45:22 2015 No.6095716

Patent Agent. Needed to go through some hoops before I was qualified to take exams. But it's comfy; it pays a lot; I have a shot at partnership at a Law Firm w/o a law degree, or an advanced degree; I've been publishing technical, non-fiction for a while.

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Anonymous Wed Feb 4 07:25:30 2015 No.6095896

>>6089582
You probably aren't that dumb. Keep working on your maths skills and study hard and you will be fine. If you want a well paid job it's probably best to study a degree in a STEM subject. Don't let your lack of confidence stop you from making the right decision.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 4 07:31:00 2015 No.6095912 >>6091527 Age?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 4 07:40:03 2015 No.6095932 >>6088509 >implying there is not an easier way to describe STEM things to other people

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 4 07:53:21 2015 No.6095966 >>6092281 >4 years >Modern Language It's 1 year and it is a Master of Research, should have made that clear. I'm already following on to a PhD so I know what I will be doing, just wanted to know what 'real' jobs I could pull Stay mad

Anonymous Wed Feb 4 07:54:44 2015 No.6095967

>>6092281

Also, you have to be 100% fluent before entering the course, it is not about teaching you the language but rather doing research on it. One fellow classmate is doing Medieval Spanish, reading original manuscipts while another is doing pedagogy and applied linguistics..

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 4 09:18:31 2015 No.6096197 >tfw Math major/English minor >As long as I get at least a M.S. in Math I'm guaranteed a half decent job >If I can't get a master's then my degree is useless

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 4 09:25:57 2015 No.6096212 English freshmen in the best university in my 2nd world country. Will probably end up as an English teacher in my hometown if my fairytale of studying Law in the UK or USA does not come true.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 4 09:29:45 2015 No.6096218 >>6096212 >fairytale That's about right. As someone who's currently typing this in a Contracts class in a top 20 law school, just stay far away.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 4 09:39:24 2015 No.6096239 >>6096218 Thank you for the encouragement :^)

Anonymous Wed Feb 4 09:51:31 2015 No.6096279

>>6095547

Was gemein sein kann, hat immer nur wenig Werth.

As far as the humanities are concerned, the plebs and utilitarians have turned an institution that was meant to educate the noble and turned it into a training institution.

If you want to learn a trade, to earn a certificate, to prove that you will make a good servant, fine, but stay the fuck out of my university.

It began with the democratising foolishness of the 1960s, when they started slapping up concrete edu-warehouses for the mediocre baby boomers. Now the system is completely debased. Everyone and anyone can get in, and the degrees are worthless. However, the jig is up. It's gradually dawning on the boomers' kids that an Arts degree is inadequate preparation for their future lives as slaves.

Anonymous Wed Feb 4 10:11:31 2015 No.6096328

I'm so glad so many people have bought into thinking that they will be 'saved' if they go to college and pick any subject. It saves me the competition for my engineering future.

I took 2 classes in Philosophy as electives, and although they do probably help your writing skills and critical thought to some extent, they will not help you acquiring good problem solving skills. There is a clear distinction between being able to analytically solve a engineering problem and thinking critically about a textual statement.

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