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>1677
>still believing in free will

>> No.6061726

>2015
>still believing in outdated metaphysics

>> No.6061754
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>>6061726
>thinking free will is still a respectable theory

>> No.6061781

>>6061716
>any year
>not understanding the difference between qualitative and quantitative attributes
>>>/netherlands/

>> No.6061790

>>6061754
I was talking about Spinoza.

>> No.6061801

I've had ego diminishing experiences on drugs and it felt like my free will being stripped. It also felt unpleasant and unnatural so I just do and live in a way that feels natural which includes having an identity and sense of control.
>but its not really "you" that makes the choice to do something its a series of things that leads up to a chemical reaction in your brain which...
Ok well do we understand the brain fully yet? No then stfu

>> No.6061817

>>6061801
Hue.

Everything is exactly as it must be, because everything is the result of what caused it. Each particle is in exactly the place that is and there's no way it could be anywhere else.

>inb4 some /sci/ retard starts spouting our incomplete theory of physics as evidence that simething can be in multiple places at once

>> No.6061830

>>6061817
>science isn't complete, so any bullshit I spout must be true!

>> No.6061837

>>6061830
Nope, try again asshole. That's not what I said at all

>> No.6061846

>>6061817
Ok I dont fully disagree with that but it doesnt normally feel like that to me. I have physical limits and mental limits but within those limits I can choose from billions of things to do and think about and create. Maybe "me" in that sense is just the flow of the cosmos or whatever but I still feel in control and its not worth getting caught up on.

>> No.6061854

>>6061801
>Ok well do we understand the brain fully yet?
>no?
>Then I can stuff whatever half baked idea I like the sound of to fill the gap

Just because it feels that you have free will doesn't mean you do; much like you can feel that a great many things that aren't true are true.

>> No.6061864

>>6061716
giggled

>> No.6061867

Who even gives a shit if it's all predetermined. It's interesting to think about, but it doesn't really matter in the end.

>> No.6061876

>>6061867
welcome to metaphysics

>> No.6061905

Free will=/=free action

Spinoza is denying free will as is understood philosophically, not commonly. He's a determinist in the sense that all effects, must necessarily follow from causes. If those effects follow from causes as conceived from our essence (reasoning and seeking our own true advantage for existence--at least within duration. Not getting into the eternal essences here), then we act freely.