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[Anonymous No.6047426]

What do you think of the notion of the "satori generation"?

Does it apply to us?

If not, how would you define our generation?

[Anonymous No.6047562]

I have no idea what your pic is but our generation is far from the zen idea of satori as is possible

[Anonymous No.6047579]

>>6047562
https://www.adbusters.org/magazine/113/satori-generation.html

[Anonymous No.6047582]

Honestly?

If you have to pick a writer to define our generation, I think it would be Borges.

Constantly juggling with questions of identity and importance. Wandering in labyrinths not knowing if there is anything awaiting us at the center, or even if there IS a center. Living a rough, run down existence in a rough, run down world.

And of course, Borges' works are the perfect length for our generation's attention spans. A snippet of Borges means more to our ADD-addled minds than any novel could.

[Anonymous No.6047612]

>>6047582
>y sus gatos

¿Donde esta el otro gato(s)?

I want to become Satori one day.

[Anonymous No.6047616]

Ive made a thread on lit before arguing the case that NEET is actually a life philosophy.

[Anonymous No.6047625]

>>6047616
I've probably told you to kill yourself

[Anonymous No.6047642]

>>6047426
That article specifically applies to Japan.

[Anonymous No.6047853]

I just read that article and I am definitely shocked at how much I relate to it. The only thing I don't understand is why they're referring to it as a type of enlightenment. It seems to me that its just a total lack of empathy towards the status quo. I don't feel enlightened, I feel lonely and trapped. and my inability to set long term goals will ultimately leave me with a life of almost being fulfilled. I can stick my toes in the water but I juggle risk vs reward to long to remember why I really wanted to dive in in the first place.

[Anonymous No.6047883]

>>6047625
le ebin kill yourself may may xDDD

[Anonymous No.6047886]

>>6047426
>If not, how would you define our generation?

millenials. kek.

[Anonymous No.6047903]

>>6047853

The view of it as a spiritually-charged/positive thing is because it's viewpoint on the youth created by elder Japs in opposition to conventional viewpoint on the youth held by younger Japs, which is that they're a bunch of disappointment fuckup perverts who hate the real world and love hentai.

[Emil Liénard 2003 !vRiBH2uekA No.6047972]

you can't generalize entire generations

[Anonymous No.6048664]

>>6047426
1) Risk-averse
2) Want to live in comfort
3) Don't want more than what they can get comfortably
That sounds like Nietzsche's "Last Men". It's happening, they have finally arrived. Now we only have to set an example by murdering them all.

[Anonymous No.6048672]

>>6048664
Do you have something against being comfy, Anon?

[Anonymous No.6048687]

>>6047426
what is satori according to you ?

[Anonymous No.6048697]

>>6048664
So edgy.

[Anonymous No.6048701]

>>6047582
>And of course, Borges' works are the perfect length for our generation's attention spans. A snippet of Borges means more to our ADD-addled minds than any novel could.
why does every retarded cunt say "ADD-addled minds"

we don't have more ADD, we have more retarded and overinvolved parents

[Anonymous No.6048707]

>>6047642
>cites statistics of america
>specifically japan
ok

>>6047853
I sort of relate to it. I dunno, I get what they mean at least when they say I don't give a shit about their high level of living

[Anonymous No.6048727]

>>6047426
>https://www.adbusters.org/magazine/113/satori-generation.html
> Young Americans and Europeans are increasingly living at home, saving money, and living prudently.
Oh. So we getting back to how things were before our anglo cultural overworlds underminted traditional living. I always hate this smug shit.

[Anonymous No.6048779]

>>6048664
Neechee's last men has always been humanity's destiny.

[Anonymous No.6049888]

Is satori sedai, then, the spectre of the 'hippie' generation that came before? They share the same goal of dropping out, basically, but where the hippies thought one could "reform" the system -- through the transformation of culture, pseudo-integration with politics, or, more extremely, the establishment of communes and cooperatives -- the satori sedai would rather make themselves mere ghosts? It's interesting: the 21st century's first people have taken the long view of the 20th century's experience, desires, and world wide conflicts, distilled it all into a single philosophy (whether politically fascist or capitalist) of constant growth, constant consumption, constant expansion, and decided to effectively let the 20th century run its course. The article cites the earthquake, tsunami, 9/11 (the cause of the World War in the Middle-East), but the world economic crisis, caused to generate monstrous wealth for the ruling first world capitalists, has hit Japan's (and the world's) youth extremely hard. The parent generation that believed in reform and integration with the power structure are naturally puzzled when the current generation isn't trying to copy them, but that's because they haven't seen through the illusion. When an entire century is teaching us that taking radical action is necessary to change things and produces the results it has -- a literally non-stop state of global war since 1914, negligent and deliberate genocides of both human and non-human species, millions of people holding accidental nominal political power that are too engrained in nationalist ideology and greed to change their lifestyles based on scientific research -- the satori sendai take them for their word and deed and take the more radical action of non-action. You don't want to provide living wages? Fine. You don't want to provide full-time employment? Fine. You don't want us to be educated? Fine. You don't want us to be able to afford children? Fine. In a bid to get rich quick the old guard poisoned the system they need to be rich. So, if satori sedai were to take over, the system would die of its own deed, as Marx pointed out, but with a whimper and not the hot cries of violent revolution.

>>6047853
It's a play on words, basically.
>In Japan, they’ve come to be known as satori sedai—the “enlightened generation.” In Buddhist terms: free from material desires, focused on self-awareness, finding essential truths. But another translation is grimmer: “generation resignation,” or those without ideals, ambition or hope.

[Anonymous No.6050091]

>>6048701
I hate being told by 50-something journalists that I have ADD.

[Anonymous No.6050207]

>>6047616
pls link it

[Anonymous No.6050217]

>>6048664
It doesn't work like that, anon. Zarathustra said at that time to the people that they still have what it takes to not turn into last men. Once the last men have arrived it's too late to turn things around.

The Übermensch is dead, and we have killed him.

[Anonymous No.6050234]

>>6049888
It seems we're too apathetic to create anything to replace it though.

[Anonymous No.6050241]

>>6047612
>Escritore-s

[Anonymous No.6050373]

Doodoo blahblah. Same old thing every fucking generation. "This new generation of kids are so fucking immoral! Drinking and fucking and killing each other, my God, this isn't how it was when -I- was a child! So extravagant and spoiled!"

"This new generation of kids are a bunch of apathetic pussies with no drive! How are they gonna attribute (1) to the economy and population growth if they don't even want to do anything but watch TV all day! These losers are breeding themselves out!"

I can't blame them, because all everyone wants is just some smug feeling of knowledge, power, security. I bet when I'm old I'll sweep up the "younger generation" in a few pithy statements too and feel satisfied, content that I wasn't like -them- when I was a child, that they're not -really- complex human beings, just cut out carboard figures that can be analyzed as clear-cutly as a mathematical equation.

(1) [sic]

[Anonymous No.6050743]

>>6049888
I like you

[Anonymous No.6050774]

The new generation floats above pop culture and advertisement in a state of constant irony. With the internet it really is very easy to avoid getting duped or buy into fantasies of wealth equating success or happiness. People just want to be "comfy" now. Nostalgia is practically its own brand of pornography. Music is dreamy and spectral, political engagement or sincerity are seen as embarrassing. The keyword is "disengage." Passion is a farce.

Everyone just wants to live in a little apartment and wear sweaters and take the commute and work in a quaint little coffee shop and own two cats and talk to people on the internet.

I am obviously exaggerating things, but you know where I am getting at.

[Anonymous No.6050811]

>>6050774
Comfy post.

[Anonymous No.6050816]

>>6050774
summarizing, we are all bluepilled as fuck

[Anonymous No.6050833]

>>6050816
The blue pill is the wise choice is the red pill only exposes you to unsolvable problems, anon. Ignorance is bliss where knowledge is powerless.

[Anonymous No.6050850]

>>6050833

im eating colacao with a spoon right now

[Anonymous No.6050883]

>>6050234
On the contrary, base apathy is what promotes and sustains liberalism with its incestuous power structures and cannibalistic socio-economics. This satori generation is a step beyond their merely apathetic peers; they are politically and economically apathetic, yes, but they have made very deliberate, and wise, personal choices of sub-involvement in capitalism based on the conditions it gave to them. Instead of buying into the hope and desire within capitalism's hyper-reality they have resigned themselves to the reality of part-time work, dependent living, and simple, non-expensive pleasures that are locally available. In contrast, the merely apathetic still go to Disneyland, still go to expensive universities, they -want- to buy new cars, homes, and, above all, they want the contradiction of total independence in service-based economy, but all without the burden of understanding worker exploitation at home and abroad, or political involvement in even very basic local issues, levies and the such, or, more practically, without understanding they really can't afford any of this. The satori sedai don't argue to replace the systematic problem, they're just collectively arguing that since they've been given this raw deal that they aren't able to refuse yet aren't able to collect on, they're only going to take part in it as far as absolutely necessary, like prisoners that know they'll outlive the guards and the warden and hopefully spoil the pretty future they stole from the new generations for their own greed.

[Anonymous No.6050888]

>shrink your goals to the realistic, help your family and community and resign yourself to peace.


how is this anything but good?

[Anonymous No.6050890]

>>6050217
We only had to listen.

[Anonymous No.6050905]

>>6050217
Good; Nietzsche's might makes right neo-aristocracy is childish, selfish bullshit.

[Anonymous No.6050912]

>>6050888
Because great men and women can't be constrained by the reasonable.

[Anonymous No.6050914]

>>6050850
I'm drinking port wine and listening to vaporwave.

[Anonymous No.6050922]

>>6050912

The strive for greatness has already fucked the world. I think it's okay if we all decide to live comfy lifestyles as we wait for the planet to die.

[Anonymous No.6050925]

>>6050774
>Everyone just wants to live in a little apartment and wear sweaters and take the commute and work in a quaint little coffee shop and own two cats and talk to people on the internet.

And write, don't forget the writing part.
I just hope the irony goes away so I can sincerely enjoy the beauty of life and pretty flowery writing without feeling like a major faggot who actually -likes- things.

[Anonymous No.6050934]

>>6050922

Is the world slowly turning into YKK? I'm cool with that.

[Anonymous No.6050937]

>>6050922
I would make of the Earth a burnt offering to my ambition, if that would but sway the Fates my way.

[Anonymous No.6050941]

>>6050925
Irony is for the spooks of the artificial economic world. The real world of natural objects and phenomena, human relations without commodity interference, and life itself can still be enjoyed and praised sincerely.

[Anonymous No.6050948]

>>6050937
It wouldn't. You'll still die, your name and acts will be forgotten, and no star in heaven nor worm int he earth will have even thought of you.

[Anonymous No.6050953]

>>6050941
>hipstering is a deep issue

lmao why are we justifying general faggotry like this

[Anonymous No.6050958]

>>6050953
What are you even talking about

[Anonymous No.6050976]

>>6047426
>https://www.adbusters.org/magazine/113/satori-generation.html

You have to truly know something to "be over it", these kids are still afraid of dealing with the real world and how different it is from all the shit they've been told in tv and entertainment (and by their parents). There's no Zen without experience or suffering.

Nah, our generation is just another bunch of assholes, not very different from the older ones, except by the fact that the % of people that get to have that TV life is smaller because we're in a further point in the decline of western civilization.

(but I did like the dude that said the thing about Borges, I just think it applies to every generation before ours since industrialization)

[Anonymous No.6050980]

>>6050883
I guess I fall into the latter category.
I'm 19 and in my second semester of College.
I go to Disney infrequently with my family because I attend college only 30 minutes away from Disney, and they like to go when they visit me.
My parents are well off, but by no means do is there any extravagance in their wealth. They bought a house they couldn't afford during the housing boom, and now we had to move half an hour away from all of our jobs and schools because it was just too much to pay for.
I didn't want a life like that. I've always wanted a simple life.
I fantasized about moving back up north, into a cold and quiet town, free of the tourist craze that currently funds Florida.
I wanted to sit by a fire place at night during winter, looking out at the snowy night, as I read a book, or make some art, or work on a craft.
Now, this has changed. I've been in a relationship over a year, and am attending a state university studying medicine. My girlfriend and I talk of getting married and having children. This is the opposite of the quaint life I had planned out.
In the end, I just don't know what I want

[Anonymous No.6050988]

>>6050941
Yeah, but I want to be read and I want to have friends and I have not yet found a group of people who do not engage in irony not have I been able to stop doing it myself.

Help me get out this spooky place, anon.

>>6050953
Hipsters are only the most extreme reflex of a deeply ironic culture.

[Anonymous No.6051002]

>>6050912
There are no great men or women: just people integral to the great societies.

And when I say that the revolution has passed to Germany, I also mean it.

[Anonymous No.6051003]

>>6050980
If you lived in a third world country you'd understand the Disney phenomena better. Whole families face years of debt in order to give their coming of age daughters (15 year olds) big fancy parties and trips to Disney.

[Anonymous No.6051024]

>>6050976
>You have to truly know something to "be over it"
Observing has no value, then? I have to truly be a drug addict, fuck prostitutes and nearly get myself killed to say that this kind of life is not the kind of life I want?

[Anonymous No.6051029]

>>6050976
>You have to truly know something to "be over it", these kids are still afraid of dealing with the real world
How is knowing they can't afford the high price of late capitalism being "afraid of dealing with the real world"? If anything it's a very frank, honest relation to the real world, it's the opposite that is a fearful delusion.

[Anonymous No.6051037]

>>6050934
what is YKK?

[Anonymous No.6051060]

>>6050988
>Help me get out this spooky place, anon.
Make a writer's group? A reading group for serious lit?

[Anonymous No.6051088]

>>6047426
maybe, maybe not

see, i find many of the points raised to be reasonable and well-justified, but the thing is, im not sure whether this will define our generation

the hippies defined their own generation, but not every young person back then was a hippy. its just that they were the more powerful and visible movement, and the one that left its mark so that posterity would see it

i personally dont think this satori generation thing will stick around, for three main reasons. one because its life philosophy seems rather tame and "weak" compared to other ethea that are floating around today, and thus might be superseded. secondly, while the author does make a feel citations regarding europe and america, this does feel quite a bit like a japanese phenomenon, which makes complete sense considering japans current (and past) decaying economic history, as well as its permanently stable and unchanching political situation. and thirdly, i see no lack of motivated young people in circles i frequent. very few seem that resigned, and many seem to be even more go-lucky than earlier generations

[Anonymous No.6051136]

I genuinely feel like this is one of the best threads I've seen on lit recently

[Anonymous No.6051148]

>>6050905
I think the skinny jeans are preventing blood from getting to your brain.

[Anonymous No.6051175]

>>6051148
I think the strawmen you construct are preventing you from thinking critically and saying anything that isn't disingenuous.

[Anonymous No.6051203]

>>6047426

I feel like my generation's philosphy is that of two worlds: materialism and inner-life. The enlightened among us have determined that matierialism doesn't lead to more happiness, and the nature of today's economy means any wealth is fleeting.

Material goods not only fail to bring happiness, they fail to maintain value. They are goods, not assets, and they are a waste.

What did we expect? The myth of the American dream to sustain us forever? In a world where the dream is obviously unattainable and even undesirable, the best we can hope for is a stoic resignation from the whole game.


One thing is certain, things are going to change. I'm ready, and look forward to what the future brings, good or bad or otherwise.

[Anonymous No.6051217]

>>6051203
>Material goods not only fail to bring happiness, they fail to maintain value

Sorry, I meant to say that qualities of goods beyond their function are largely irrelevant. So buying a sweater, as opposed to a luis vatton sweater, is preferred to those that have ascended beyond materialism.

[Anonymous No.6051245]

>>6051175
The post was retarded. "Might makes right" is a historical description of morality that could conceivably be related to Nietzsche's geneaology, but it has nothing to do with his Zarathustra.

[Anonymous No.6051313]

>>6051148
nietzsche would rock skinnies if he were alive today

[Anonymous No.6051329]

i like this thread. it makes sense to me.

[Anonymous No.6051380]

>>6050373
Yea, I've heard his before. I've even argued this point a few times. But i do have to say there is evidence to suggest the post 1990 generation is going to be more self centered than those past.
There was the self esteem movement. Schools paid speakers to come in and literally just tell the children 'you're special'. They still do. It happened at my school.
Another piece of evidence would be the change in our vocabulary use.

>Patricia Greenfield, a psychological scientist at the University of California in Los Angeles, used the Google Ngram Viewer to scan more than 1 million books. Her findings, which were published in Psychological Science, showed that there has been a distinct rise in more individualistic words such as "choose," "get," "feel," "unique," "individual" and "self" and a decrease in community-focused words such as "obliged," "give," "act," "obedience," "authority," "pray" and "belong."

[Anonymous No.6051670]

>>6050833
Shut the fuck up about the colored pills you catamites. You don't know shit and if you actually read a book you would be well aware of this.

[Anonymous No.6051684]

>>6050774
But what about New Sincerity?

[Anonymous No.6051707]

>>6047426
The best term for our generation is "the aftermath generation"

We're factored in secondarily as an economic product. Why are we criticized? We don't consume. Why don't we consume? They don't let us. They don't view us as people, they view us as their economic tools. Our financial state is the product of neoliberal policy and Randian shithead economics; again, a system wherein the goals are irrational and reversed


That's all we are, the generation that is calculated in after everything else, and the product of selfish economics

[Anonymous No.6051725]

This thread is like an Adam Curtis documentary.

[Anonymous No.6051740]

>>6051380
By many people my age don't have such delusions

Many people I know in their 20s DONT think they're special at all

I like that Patricia tard though. Totally ignoramus psychology; once that study was published and those words were changed, the meanings of the words also changes

I love tards that appeal to concrete meaning

[Anonymous No.6051783]

>>6051707

This might skew sensationalist, but kill all baby-boomers.

[Anonymous No.6051822]

>>6050774

spot on

>everyone just wants to own two cats

[Anonymous No.6051881]

>>6051088

Japan is a hothouse for the rest of western civilization, it's essentially a society that was forced at gunpoint to adopt and enforce the ideals of conservative American military-political-industrial leaders c. 1945. Where Japan is going is where the USA is going too.

[Anonymous No.6051915]

>>6051881
will NEETu culture finally become accepted? :3

[Anonymous No.6051924]

>>6051783
As pure policy it's not a bad idea. Think how many jobs would open up. How much capital would be free to be used.

[Anonymous No.6051978]

>>6051203
Nothing's going to change because anyone who would take part in instigating that change (e.g. you) is too busy sitting around and pulling dick, waiting for change to show up.

>>6051684
Nobody believes in that shit. Besides, you can't make sincerity into a movement or school of thought without making it disingenuous. The moment people start trying to be sincere is when they'll be at their least sincere

>>6050988
What do you mean "engage in irony?" I've always had a difficult time understanding so-called "hipster irony." What are some examples?

[Anonymous No.6052027]

>>6047886
Is this not the post modern school of thought? Life or death reduced to mere memery, a remark as grim as "kill yourself" not even able to be taken seriously.

[Anonymous No.6052098]

I've been searching much of my life for something that would spark a drive of some sort; The fact that there's little in my life that I feel like investing money or emotion into, nothing to lose myself in, is what makes me frustrated at my life.
Hearing a glorified gawker blogger treat my disaffected-ness as some grandiose act against capitalism just grinds my gears.

[Anonymous No.6052104]

>>6052098
Do you talk this alliteratedly in real life faggot?

[Anonymous No.6052114]

>>6052098
>act against

More like result of.

[Anonymous No.6052345]

>>6051978
>Nothing's going to change because anyone who would take part in instigating that change (e.g. you) is too busy sitting around and pulling dick, waiting for change to show up.


That is the point. Doing nothing can be a revolutionary act if society needs you to act for it to continue. If enough people opt out of society then the system will cease to function. A passive revolution.

[Anonymous No.6052382]

>>6051978
Engage in irony...
I'm not sure how to explain. In my circle of friends it consists of an approach to things that is not serious. If you act arrogant you can just well be a normal person the next second because it was not serious arrogance. It extends to a lot of behaviors, then to tastes (shitty pop music and chinese cartoons), then to approaches to things that are supposed to be absurd/funny... I have a hard time explaining it, but it can be summed up as "an approach to life that is self mocking and never serious". Like bad jokes that openly admit to be bad jokes.

[Anonymous No.6052424]

>>6052345
thats been the case in the east for a long time now and it shows no sign of ending
just look at the buddhist monks and yet society continues to function albeit in a different way

[Anonymous No.6052455]

>>6052424
>albeit in a different way

Exactly.

[Anonymous No.6052518]

>>6052424
The Buddhist establishments in the East are as equally ingrained in their respective states as the Christian establishments are in the West. New religious movements like Falun Gong are getting waves of converts from the fact that many temples are in fact just organs of capitalist corruption where monks own multiple mansions, Italian sports cars, and do shit like threaten to excommunicate practitioners, including other monks and nuns, if they don't give to the "temple"/do everything he says. Alternatively, their congregants just stop practicing and/or going to the temple. Which isn't to say that Buddhism qua Buddhism isn't still relevant; again, the situation is roughly similar to that of Christianity in the west. The dissatisfied contemporary more often then not will have plenty of admiration for the kind of personal commitment to ethical praxis embodied in the Buddha/Jesus stories and is dissatisfied precisely because the temple/church fails horribly. (This generation is also more likely to not buy religious dogma wholesale since so much of the myth just isn't acceptable given scientific knowledge.)

[Anonymous No.6052535]

>>6052518
Further, monks are a super, super small portion of the population and amongst them only very few actually aren't integrated in society, so it's not really the same thing at all.

[Anonymous No.6052570]

>neet
>hikikomori
>herbivore men
>freeters
>satori gen

nips have a lot of words for loser

[Anonymous No.6052607]

>>6051725
This thread is like a montage of archive footage narrated with spurious implications and connections?

[Anonymous No.6052615]

>>6052345
>Doing nothing can be a revolutionary act

Maybe, but sitting around on the internet giving Google your data and Gawker your adsense is still contributing.

[Anonymous No.6052616]

Why do you think we're so obsessed with defining our generation, anons?

[Anonymous No.6052618]

>>6052570
They have a lot of losers. More importantly, all their losers are really, really close together.

A hundred million people in those islands.

[Anonymous No.6052644]

>aggrandizing neetism which typically leads to depression, mental illness and suicide before your life would otherwise be even half over

Yeah that sounds 4chanian.

[Anonymous No.6052660]

How does pseudoironic shitposting play a role in this memephilosophy?

[Anonymous No.6052694]

>>6052618
Japan is only #39 in terms of population density.

Pretty amateur tbh.

[Anonymous No.6052715]

>>6052616
Because we lack identity.

Also, perhaps, the faulty assumption that other generations knew what they 'were about', not realising that what those generations are about is decided retroactively by other people, therefore feeling like the first generation that is not about anything.

[Anonymous No.6052738]

>>6052615
The point with satori sedai isn't that they're moving off the grid, because you can't, but that their integration into the state economy is consciously limited. They still buy clothes and food and work but they don't want consumerism and its empty goals. Plus I doubt they're unaware of adblockers, etc.

[Anonymous No.6053009]

We were raised two places; our homes, and our schools. Everywhere else was someone else's property, even public property. Everyone was a stranger, even our extended families. Mom and Dad could never give us anything we saw on the television.

The internet was our only refuge. Even those of us with friends lived mostly on the internet. Some of us lived only on the internet. A tinier number was so reserved, they didn't even participate in any online communities until boredom and depression forced us to reach out to the only people we've ever known.

Rather than not wanting things, the article mentions the more critical reason for our carelessness towards possessions; we've seen past the facade of advertising. Without the ability to buy things, we simply don't act as if ads are directed towards us; our parents will take care of that sort of thing. Instead, we have our own dreams. Simple, down to Earth dreams that don't involve the other people we've met.

The bit about romantic relationships is right on the money too, though the answer the young person gave wasn't honest. We are interested in romance, but we don't even know how to approach another person in any way, let alone for love. It's simply not something you do. You respect their space.

As the older generations die off - a thought we consider with a profound melancholy, seeing ourselves as incapable of taking their place - we'll be forced to step into positions of power. With no new young people being made, we'll live under the assumption that society and civilization will get smaller every year.

Unlike previous generations, we simply don't participate in things like politics. For that matter, since we never leave the house except for work, and we're too afraid to steal or murder, things like the police, public venues, and public schools will cease to exist. We'll retreat into the sanctuaries of our homes, and each person will become as much of an island as economically feasible.

[Anonymous No.6054048]

what type of literature do you think appeals to the satori generation. I personally think the type of authors and stories published in mcsweeneys would have strong relevance...

[Anonymous No.6054195]

>>6050774
This almost brought me to tears. All of this is too fucking overwhelmingly depressing when you brutally articulate it all.

[Anonymous No.6054210]

>>6052382
so irony mixed with self-awareness ? Sounds about right

[Anonymous No.6054221]

>>6052715
I feel all generations lack identity until it's passed. In retrospect, given the context of what succeeded and preceded it, we can determine where a generation fit, but I think it's quite hard during. From the top of my head, the only exception seems to be the hippy movement, at least in modern history.

[Anonymous No.6054223]

>>6050774
Honestly, that doesn't sound too bad.

[Anonymous No.6054224]

>>6052694
thats what happens when you don't procreate.

[Anonymous No.6054228]

>>6047582
>a writer to define our generation

He's been dead thirty years you idiot. That's not how it works: the writer who defines your generation has to at least be working while your generation is alive.

You may as well say that Nietzche defined the lost generation of the 20s instead of Stein or Hemmingway or Joyce.

Pic related is the defining writer of your generation, and if you think he's shitty, then you should remember that you're a pretty shitty generation (although it's not entirely your fault).

[Anonymous No.6054241]

>>6054228
Who is that

[Anonymous No.6054251]

>>6050774
In other words, the new generation is Nietzsche's Last Man.

[Anonymous No.6054301]

>>6054241

[Anonymous No.6054303]

>>6050980
>second semester of College

quit then, there is nothing more miserable than working a lifetime on something that you hate

same deal for the woman

if at the end, it turns out quiting was a mistake, it's ok, you are young.

[Anonymous No.6054308]

>>6054241
G-d.

[Anonymous No.6054325]

So are we waiting for an urban Walt Whitman now or what?

[Anonymous No.6054339]

>>6052715
the lack of identity shouldn't be seen as a inherently bad thing, it should be one of our generation's seteps towards greatness. We are no one so we can become anyone, life has always been a river but the one before us were to concentrated on creating their own flow to see it. We, on the other hand should use this oportunity to go WITH the flow and go faster when you become one with the water you can be as endless as the ocean. Remeber: fish the go upstream get eate by the bears.

[Anonymous No.6054341]

Any books that deal with this?

I've read some non-fiction stuff on hikikimori, what fiction should I read?

inb4 Tao Lin. He sucks.

[Anonymous No.6054348]

>>6054339
>We are no one so we can become anyone, life has always been a river but the one before us were to concentrated on creating their own flow to see it.
You can't become someone if there is no objectively defined status quo to go against. You can rebel against a Church if there is no big Church institution. You can become authentic only if there is already a flow to go against. Oh, and there's people who'd gladly take the identity of old as it should be. Not everyone needs to become something radically new.

[Anonymous No.6054350]

>>6054348
>You can rebel against a Church if there is no big Church institution
You can't*

[Anonymous No.6054385]

>>6054350
The thing is, there is no can or can't give away the ideas of objective existence, become one with nothingness and therefore you are everything.

[Anonymous No.6054399]

>>6054048
Murakami

[Anonymous No.6054458]

>>6050925
>I just hope the irony goes away so I can sincerely enjoy the beauty of life and pretty flowery writing without feeling like a major faggot who actually -likes- things
We live in the post-irony now. You can be as big a faggot about liking this as you want, as long as you acknowledge that once-upon-a-time kind it was a bit silly to do so.

[Anonymous No.6054482]

>>6051978
>The moment people start trying to be sincere is when they'll be at their least sincere
Sincerity liked things. Irony told us that all those things were silly. New Sincerity is just acknowledging that you like silly things, without necessarily apologizing for it.

[Anonymous No.6054487]

>>6053009

[Anonymous No.6054492]

>>6054458
I don't see post-irony around me, I still feel self conscious about my romantic side. That is, of my whole fucking self. And with good reason, socially speaking.
>as long as you acknowledge that once-upon-a-time kind it was a bit silly to do so.
That's still a form of irony and self-mockery. Or rather, excusing and explaining that which should not need to be excused or explained.

[Anonymous No.6054496]

>>6054482
You're still agreeing with the ironic.

But I guess it's slightly less terrible. Only slightly.

[Anonymous No.6054519]

>>6054195
How is it depressing? Sounds comfy to me.

[Anonymous No.6054526]

>>6053009
I mostly agree, but:

>Without the ability to buy things
I think many of us do have the ability to buy things, but we were raised so comfortably that we now feel no aspiration towards having cars or watches because in having everything we figured out what we really needed to feel content, which isn't very much out of all that shit.

I relate 100% to everything else you say

[Anonymous No.6054538]

>>6054526
>I think many of us do have the ability to buy things, but we were raised so comfortably that we now feel no aspiration towards having cars or watches because in having everything we figured out what we really needed to feel content, which isn't very much out of all that shit.
That's a good point. It's mostly the poorfags who think money will solve all their problems and make them happy. See hiphop culture materialism, muh chains muh whips and such.

Meanwhile the people who grew up comfortable middle class or higher learned that those things don't really do much for you in the long run.

[Anonymous No.6054545]

>>6048664
>Risk-aversion pathologized.
Capitalism is fun.

[Anonymous No.6054573]

>24 years old
>no close friends since childhood
>no romantic relationships since childhood
>spend all my free time in my room alone
>4chan, Goodreads and youtube are pretty much the only sites I use
>casual disinterest in life
>occasional feelings of misanthropy
>occasional periods of intense ambition and hope for the future
>work full-time but hoping to go part-time before I reach 25 and live frugally in a small studio apartment
>joys in life include reading books, talking anonymously, daydreaming and eating unhealthy food
>neutral emotional disposition
>inability to relate to excitement and / or hype
>over-analytic approach to life, favoring objective deconstructionist of phenomena rather than emotional investment in it
>lack of clear self-identity, favouring the adoption of different personas
>disinterest in politics
>occasional feelings of longing for female companion, but disinterest in pursuing romantic relationships, partly due to negative perception of dating apps and related contemporary dating methods, and partly due to knowing few females will meet my standards
>constant self-awareness
>ascetic tendencies
>willingness to express empathy and emotion as a type of protest against a culture that belittles these things
>dislike of natural light and warm weather
>no gf

[Anonymous No.6054593]

Lack of direction

[Anonymous No.6054613]

>>6054573
every one of those points fit me except i'm 23

[Anonymous No.6054617]

>>6054613
Are you a girl?

[Anonymous No.6054622]

>>6054573
>no romantic relationships since childhood

What your uncle did to you doesn't count anon.

[Anonymous No.6054626]

>>6054573
Guess what, there is a place called /r9k/ where people might care.

[Anonymous No.6054632]

>>6054626
That's not a very nice thing to say, Anon.

[Anonymous No.6054635]

>>6054626
Please don't be mean in /satgen/ anon.

[Anonymous No.6054656]

>In Japan, they’ve come to be known as satori sedai—the “enlightened generation.” In Buddhist terms: free from material desires, focused on self-awareness, finding essential truths. But another translation is grimmer: “generation resignation,” or those without ideals, ambition or hope.

>...or those without ideals, ambition or hope.

welp, neetori master race

[Anonymous No.6054669]

>>6054656
Japan have had this phenomena for a while, calling them "hikikimoris", "freeters", "herbivores" and so on.

I am JAPANESE. I live nearby Kyoto. I HATE woman :)

[Anonymous No.6054677]

Actually the rejection of the concept of progress as a set goal to achieve and reach is a big part of post-modernism, usually expressed as "the death of the meta narratives", and it also appeared during the 80's but in France and to a lesser extent the rest of the europes.

>>6054669
Didn't you forget "Murakami pig writer. Disgusting." and so on?

[Anonymous No.6054685]

>What Takahashi called “the world’s most advanced phenomenon” may well be coming our way from Japan. But this time it’s not automotive or robotic or electronic. It’s human enlightenment.
This kind of over the top declarations only hurt the hypothesis. Trying to oversimplificate your argument makes it sound idiotic.

[Anonymous No.6054688]

>>6054685
>oversimplificate

smirkingdog.jpg

[Anonymous No.6054713]

>>6054685
You have to ignore the political spin and read the information. Of course people who call themselves "adbusters" are going to present any rejection of consumer culture, however minor, as the greatest human achievement because it conforms their biases. They're not arguing, they're proselytizing. It's up to us to do the arguing.

[Anonymous No.6054732]

>>6054669
The beautiful ones. The end will come soon.

[Anonymous No.6054775]

>>6054617
:^)

[Anonymous No.6054792]

>>6054573
>>willingness to express empathy and emotion as a type of protest against a culture that belittles these things
fighting the good fight

[Anonymous No.6054960]

>>6054732
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM

[Anonymous No.6054976]

>>6054960
Just because something it true of mice does not mean that it will necessarily also be true of humans. Socially, mice and humans are very different from humans.

[Anonymous No.6055011]

Unrelated, but some of the posts ITT reminded me of this

[Anonymous No.6055088]

>>6054399
agreed, I know because I embody most of the traits in the above article and turn time and again to murakami for predictable comfort

[Anonymous No.6055096]

>>6054399
>>6055088
Which Murakami?

[Anonymous No.6055125]

>>6055096
The Wind Up Bird Chronicle, although, more specifically, the first chapter, published previously as a short story in the collection "The Elephant Vanishes". I would strongly suggest getting this collection to explore some of these feels.

[Anonymous No.6055138]

>>6054341
>>6054048
pic related

[Anonymous No.6056626]

>>6050774
POTY

[Anonymous No.6056650]

>>6047426
seeing what's blatantly wrong with the world and people at large isn't satori. it's just common sense

we need a paradigm shift, asap

[Anonymous No.6056741]

>>6050980

Also in Florida. Getting ready to finish college, but in a similar boat. Family is poor, self is poor. All of my fields of study have work in the international sector, but here I am just wanting to fuck off to Montana.

Good luck bruddy.

[Anonymous No.6056975]

>>6047426
i wish i was more like this satori thing.

i had a comfy long distance relationship while i was in the military for several years, but everything crumbled from stress. i've been living off my savings and my parent's hospitality. now is truly the happiest i've been in my life, living without responsibilities/debt/friends... as long as i don't think of the future, my dwindling cash stash, or the burden on my parents.

[Anonymous No.6057021]

>>6056975
i suggest 'studies in pessimism' by schopenhauer.

[Anonymous No.6057059]

>>6057021
thanks, i will read it tonight.

[Anonymous No.6057158]

>>6056650
>thread

[Anonymous No.6057181]

>>6053009
The Bartleby generation. We prefer not to engage in society.

>>6054341
Dostoevsky is popular here, but I always thought the Swedish author Söderberg captured our (?) dilemma better. His protagonists shift from intense self-hatred, to nostalgia and melancholy. They observe intensely their own passivity, while by only observing, preserve themselves in their untouched state.

Privately this is all I write about myself.

[Anonymous No.6057272]

>>6053009
>this is what the rich white middle class actually believes

[Anonymous No.6057283]

>>6057272
the definition of every 'generation' has always been a definition of said generation's white middle class. nobody is taking the slum people from india into account when they have to dream up a generalisation for the youth they see around them.

[Anonymous No.6057343]

>>6054685

I can't help shake the impression that a good deal of the positive press coverage on NEETS is an endorsement of alienation and abstinence. As a automatic, voluntary method of population control. Shit like that will always be encouraged by national leaders and the press.

[Anonymous No.6057488]

>>6054573
Describes me pretty well, except I can derive fun from driving my old sports car on backroads in the wrong lane.

[Anonymous No.6058355]

It seems less like our generation is not materialistic, but rather we change the terms so as to avoid falling under what might be traditionally materialistic.

People LOVE experiences and sharing them. Instead of collecting cars and "material" items, people collect experiences, but in a manner that is no less materialistic.

NEETs are still a huge minority. Take a gander at facebook, collections of photos of being in Bali or Bankok for a CRAZY PARTY, or photos of skydiving, home-cooked meals etc.

They seek to collect just as much as any other generation, but those collections are defined differently than the most recent generation defined them. It still involves money, an buying into advertising schemes {no go here, it is way more AUTHENTIC native area) (No, eat THIS fruit, it is way more ORGANIC) (No, listen to this band, they aren't COMMERCIAL) etc. etc.

There is nothing new or unique. It is still the same old selfishness and bring duped by superfluous wants. Just comes in a different package.

Just by even saying that we are somehow unique, you demonstrate that we have been duped into thinking we are special, the exception etc.

[Anonymous No.6058407]

>>6058355
That being said. THis is my first time on 4chan in like a year. I love that there are still great threads like this on /lit/

Currently in med school, so no time to read and certainly not browse /lit/. I'm afraid of losing my desire for the comfy comforts of sipping whiskey in pajamas, browsing /lit/, snowing outside, and not feeling like I need to DO something.


I lived in Japan for a year as an ENglish teacher after undergrad, in Osaka. I met only one NEET, but the whole phenomenon seems blown out of proportion. Living at home is less about helping the elderly and more about saving money, and the fact that space is a luxury. There is a stigma of still living with the parents, parasite singles is what they call them.

THe thing causing their population to decline has absolutely nothing to do with NEETS, as NEETs make up a negligible minority of th population. THe reason their population is in decline is their work culture; which is at odds with women going to work and at odds with what the younger generation wants out of life. GIve it another 30-40 years and I guarantee Japan will have moved on almost entirely from their current work culture, and will be back to making babies.

[Anonymous No.6059512]

>>6058407
>impying japan won't get robots to do all their shity jobs, declare work illegal, and then construct government mandated matrix hotels to house occupants living for years in virtual vacations to escape reality

[Anonymous No.6059521]

>>6059512
science fiction isn't actually predict the future

[Anonymous No.6059563]

>>6047616
Sounds self serving, although I am exactly what the topic describes.

[Anonymous No.6059568]

>>6054545
kek

[Anonymous No.6059576]

>>6054573
You just have a schizoid personality disorder. Seek help son.

[Anonymous No.6059582]

>>6054573
Almost me, except I love natural light and lately I've been trying to be more emotional

[Anonymous No.6059586]

>>6057343
Are you serious? Japan has a huge problem with child birth. You realize an economy becomes hard to sustain when there few young people entering the work force and the population's average age increases?
They have been trying to raise childbirth in japan for a while now.

[Anonymous No.6059590]

So we are basically a generation of slaves? We own nothing, we strive for nothing, we do not impact the world in any way.

[Anonymous No.6059630]

>>6059590
It is not slavery if you lead an ascetic lifestyle by choice.

[Anonymous No.6059637]

>>6059590
Slaves had a great impact on the world: they built the pyramids, fought wars, picked up a lot of cotton, etc etc.
We're more like medieval feudalism's nobles: having a lot of land and cultivating the bare minimum necessary to our own survival. Exept we don't own a lot of land, nor we could even if we tried. I hope that explains it, but i'm not sure.

[Anonymous No.6059653]

>>6056626
It is truly beautifully written

[Anonymous No.6059657]

>>6059630
lol. "i'm not a slave, i'm just an ascetic! i'm poor by choice!"

i'm sure you also just happen to prefer the ugly girls.

[Anonymous No.6059669]

>>6059630
>>6059637
We are dependent to the economic forces. These so called satori seidai do not own businesses or land. They are forever attached to those who actually own things. They are going to be forever stuck in the lowest degree of the economic pyramid, and the fact that they strive for powerlessness makes them even more vulnerable to future schems and coups.

As I see it, the generation described in the article is the most silly to have ever existed, even more easy to manipulate than the hippies were.

[Anonymous No.6059680]

>>6050774
What I don't understand is why you think this lifestyle of comfort "floats above" pop culture and advertising. It creates the perfect scenario for people to sit around consuming pop culture, which is often what these people are doing (Netflix, primetime comedy and drama shows, TMZ, pop music and hip hop).

Besides, where do you think the nostalgia comes from if not pop culture? "The 90s were so awesome" = "90s pop culture makes me feel so comfortable." And where do you think the romance of working in a coffee shop comes from? It's pop culture.

[Anonymous No.6059686]

>>6059637
We're serfs with the conceit of nobles.

[Anonymous No.6059694]

>>6059669
>They are forever attached to those who actually own things.

Nobody is. All you need is some livestock and a little survivalism know-how and you can survive on your own.

[Anonymous No.6059698]

>>6059657
No, I prefer pretty ones but I know they will never be interested in me and i dont care enough to do whatever needs to be done to be able to get them.
You can call it lazy but being lazy or not is just a result of certain sets of ideals and biochemistry.
What is there to really want and be motivated about in the affluent world? I maen honestly..Food drink and shelter are not a problem and with the internet you can quench your thirst for knowledge as well. Read any philosophers, any literature, any idea..
I dont have any revolutionary urge to revamp my life..What for?

[Anonymous No.6059704]

>>6059669
Economically manipulate? Im sorry who can escape the forces of the physical world? Even Bill Gates can stumble on a rock, fall and break his neck.
The idea that you can provide safety to yourself is an illusion. Either you claim life is enexpected and than the poor and the rich are at risk or you claim life is pretty predictable and thus the rich can safeguard themselves and the poor can rely on the current decent norms.
Everyone gets owned scammed cheated abused.
Someone always wins over you at some point. Nobody is impervious.

[Anonymous No.6059713]

>>6059704
Your vision is manichaeistic. There are several degrees to which you can have safety. Surely, everyone is susceptible to stumble on a rock and fall, but that doesn't makes me as safe as Bill Gates, this is a non sequitur.

If you live paycheck by paycheck, do not own anything and has no savings, you are forever dependant, and anything but free.

Do not get me wrong, I'm all about anti-consumerism and frugality, but to take this stance of "less is better" into other areas of your life is fucking dangerous.

[Anonymous No.6059728]

>>6059590
The Chinese are slaves. We are nothing at all. We are completely superfluous.

[Anonymous No.6059731]

>>6059686
We're serfes with the vices of nobles, more like it.

[Anonymous No.6059732]

>>6059713
Manichaeism? I really cant be bothered reading about it. I try to not bother myself with any religious writings or teachings beyond the ones i was already exposed to.
Your idea of safety of the rich you can explain to all the dead elites during the Asian socialist revolutions.
Or the elites during the french revolution? Or etc..
So I must acquire wealth to make sure my grave is heavy when they burry me?..Honestly.
I dont plan on having kids, what am i saving for? A nice retirement home?
Is that really what I should live for? Providing myself with a comfortable death?

Sounds like you are the one who is not free. You dont have to pursue some goal to be free you just need to have that option and becoming rich is a life time effort.

[Anonymous No.6059735]

>>6059713
>I'm all about anti-consumerism and frugality
Why? Why this asceticism?

[Anonymous No.6059738]

>>6059732
By manichaeistic he meant it is a false dichotomy

[Anonymous No.6059749]

>>6059735
The environment? And i don't want to sound like an hippy, I'm just trying to provide justifications outside the moral/economical realm

[Anonymous No.6059751]

>>6059738
Well sure I was exaggerating a bit but just a bit really. People fall down all the time, rich people jumping from roofs after losing all they had...The wheel of fortune can turn any moment no matter what step of the ladder you are on.
The idea of one being in some mystical control of his life is wishful thinking. You feel in control when you are successful and out of control when you are not but behind it all are just blind machinations outside of your control.
It is like dancing for rain. When it starts raining its cause of your ritual but when it doesn't then you probably didnt dance hard enough...

[Anonymous No.6059756]

>>6059680
I think he refers to a type of self-awareness with the floating above.

[Anonymous No.6059780]

>>6058355
This is very true. Probably partly because conspicuous consumption of experiences is as viable as conspicuous consumption of possessions now. With social media you can show off what you're doing to everyone as easily as you can show of what you have.

[Anonymous No.6059785]

>>6050922
The only reason you live comfy is the work of past recolutionary generations dating back thousands of years.

Get along ignoring everything and being comfy, mankind will move on with out you and the culture you enjoyed comfiness in will be consumed by another nation that strives for greatness. The planet won't die by then, you may not even die by then.

We are basically a little hiccup in humanities progress.

[Anonymous No.6059801]

>>6059780
But I felt like the article was talking about me yet I dont have friends or girlfriends and i dont use social media. I have been abroad to an exotic location or two but never felt the need to save it in photo form or any other.
I do like to try certain things, once.
For example I come here to get some social interactions with an intelligence that i find a lot in common with, Also for intellectual stimulation and getting materials to read and new ideas.
I do the brae minimum normal things in life and i have some desire to create which I hope ill be able to do but besides that i dont want material things nor do i want or need to show people what I experienced or did.
In fact I try to avoid scrutiny and sharing experiences with others because in terms of social standards and ideals there is very little in common between me and most other people who do engage a lot more with society.
Im not better then others, i am what the article describes and yet i am not what you describe.

[Anonymous No.6059811]

>>6059785
Thats very shortsighted. the idea of nations as we know them today already seem to be slowly fading.
And what is humanity progressing towards? we are problem solving machines, and thats what we do, solve problems but to what end?

[Anonymous No.6059821]

>>6059801
I think the satori generation as a term refers to more of a fringe group that is new/interesting/defining for our times than to our actual generation as a whole. Just like the beat generation or the hippie generation or whatever always referred to an interesting minority and not the masses.

What I'm referring to in my post is more general millennial basic bitch behaviour of the instagram crowd than the gentle resignation of Sinhalese projection community enthusiasts.

[Anonymous No.6059822]

>>6059811
Only slowly fading in some countries, nationalism still exists as well as countries who culturally have not partaken in modern culture. At least 1/6th of the world follows a religion based on fuedal law and medieval era morality. I would say it is short sighted to suggest we really have progressed far enough as a whole that we can survive and live well as it's described on this thread.

[Anonymous No.6059824]

>>6059749
You're not going to save the environment alone. Better to lobby for environmentalism while consuming whatever the fuck you want to.

[Anonymous No.6059833]

>>6059785
>that fascist ideology

[Anonymous No.6059902]

>>6059824
he could mean his immediate environment

living a frugal, anti-consumer lifestyle would affect it

[Anonymous No.6059923]

>>6059902
Maybe, but consumption at the rate that he likes isn't going to do anything but improve it

[Anonymous No.6059938]

>>6055125
>>6055096

I think she meant Ryû or Haruki Murakami?

[Anonymous No.6059982]

>>6054228
>you're a pretty shitty generation
Thanks, bro. Being told this nearly every day since I first learned what a generation was has been a great help; I hope good folks like yourself keep it up.

[Anonymous No.6059995]

>>6059982
Why don't you just go cut your wrists you self-pitying faggot, I bet you think "depression" is a real illness too

[Anonymous No.6060018]

>>6059995
I used to cut my wrists, but now, thanks to six years of therapy, I no longer do.

[Anonymous No.6060019]

>>6057488
Are you alluding to Pynchon's V.?

[Anonymous No.6060091]

>>6060018
tight cutting master race?

[Anonymous No.6060187]

>>6059995
le edgy alpha male XD

[Anonymous No.6060243]

If I ever heard someone use the term 'Satori generation' outside of a mocking context I would instantly decide not to associate with them. Late capitalism is in its most intense stages, pretending to be the Buddha doesn't make your Gucci handbags and vapid, shallow lifestyles any more meaningful.

[Anonymous No.6060291]

>>6054573
loser

[Anonymous No.6060294]

>>6060291
You can't be a loser if you never even played the game.

[Anonymous No.6060297]

>>6054573
>few females will meet my standards

Don't think you're a the position to have high hopes, anon, no offense

[Anonymous No.6060312]

>>6060294
You have to rebel proactively against the Absurd otherwise you are committing suicide/ philosophical suicide.

[Anonymous No.6060314]

>>6060243
If I ever heard someone use the term 'Late capitalism' outside of a mocking context I would instantly decide not to associate with them.

[Anonymous No.6060331]

>>6060314
If I ever heard someone use the term 'mocking context' outside of a mocking context I would instantly decide not to associate with them.

[Anonymous No.6060338]

>>6051037
Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou. Very comfy post-apo manga. Not even joking - it really is comfy.

[Anonymous No.6060343]

>>6060338
can you define confy?

[Anonymous No.6060384]

>>6054626

>people

[Anonymous No.6060388]

>>6060343
Escapist loser garbage

[Anonymous No.6060392]

>>6060343
While things happen you feel as if you're just resting in the warm autumn sun, watching the wind moving the grass.

[Anonymous No.6060402]

>>6060392
also, some mild vague /u/

[Anonymous No.6060415]

read Capitalism and Schizophrenia

[Anonymous No.6060450]

>>6060388
>mfw every hobby is escapism

[Anonymous No.6060452]

>>6060338
since entering this thread, from other's recommendations, i picked up something from schopenhauer and now that

what luck

[Anonymous No.6060454]

>>6060297
Not him but that's the point, he doesn't even try because it's not worth getting something bad.

[Anonymous No.6060473]

>>6060343
comfortable feels. cosiness heavily implied.

[Anonymous No.6060485]

>>6060454
this applies to me too
why bother any more if average is all i can get

[Anonymous No.6060506]

>>6060243
you didn't read the article, did you?

[Anonymous No.6060533]

>>6060452
what Schopenhauer did you pick up?

[Anonymous No.6060542]

>>6060338
This has come across my radar a number of times, I think I will finally give it a shot. Thanks for the rec.

Have you read Oyasumi Pun Pun? (pic related). It has some dark moments but I find it rather comfy. Its a slice of life/bildungsroman.

[Anonymous No.6060553]

>>6060533
>>6060542
>posting anime pictures
>expecting replies

[Anonymous No.6060561]

>>6060553
>posting on an anime image board
>becoming rustled when seeing manga illustrations

[Anonymous No.6060564]

>>6060533
it is studies in pessimism

[Anonymous No.6060771]

reminder that this is one of the most interesting threads to appear in lit recently

[Anonymous No.6060805]

>>6060771
i know right, discussion actually exists

[Anonymous No.6060813]

>>6050774
But really, why should I un-cocoon? Living in Stockholm, I'm surprised that I'm not cocooning more than I'm already doing.

*Public transportation is a half-stale joke.
*Cycling lanes and sidewalk cyclists every where. Of course no lights.
*Shitty and unwanted public works that no one is responsible for. (Slussen and the longest, most unnecessary car tunnel west of the city is in progress.)

[Anonymous No.6060829]

>>6047426
>The key concept is outgrowing growth toward degrowth. That’s the wisdom of this new generation.

What a load of babble. There's nothing wise in having no aspirations of any kind. Apathy is death.

[Anonymous No.6060834]

>>6060829
>apathy is death
nice cliche shit
>nothing wise in having no aspirations
you missed the point of this article

[Anonymous No.6060839]

>>6050373
People have been saying they have felt ill since the beginning of time—and they have usually died soon afterwards.

[Anonymous No.6060843]

>>6060834
Their aspirations are so pathetically parochial and small-minded they might as well not exist. Also, clichés aren't precluded from being true.

[Anonymous No.6060848]

>>6060843
I didn't claim it wasn't true, but it did not fit the context either.

In the article, it's being explained exactly why satori worldview makes a lot of sense currently

The 'small-minded' is exactly what makes it virtuous, it's their way of rebellion, the only viable way out there

[Anonymous No.6060849]

>>6050373
The generations since the 60's are the first in the history of the first world that have had fertility rates below replacement rates. You can't simply chalk it up to whiny old men, there are substantial social and cultural differences between our generations and the previous ones, some of them very problematic.

[Anonymous No.6060850]

does anyone have any literature reccomendations on the themes mentioned in this thread?

what type if literature do you feel would be popular with the "satori generation"?

reccomendations for novels with a similar atmosphere to some of the longer posts in this thread, particularly the prose post about the "satori generation'?

[Anonymous No.6060869]

>>6060850
I know that hikikomori were mentioned a few places in this thread and, although hikikomori and satgen are not the same, I think that the non fiction book "shutting out the sun" could be of interest.

[Anonymous No.6060870]

>>6060848
It only makes sense if you don't want anything to progress or change for the better. Technology will enable us to do literally anything we can imagine, yet these people are suggesting the only way to solve issues like sustainability and increasing energy demands is sitting at home all day and wanking into a cup

[Anonymous No.6060877]

>>6060870
>he doesn't get romanticism

[Anonymous No.6060882]

>>6060850
>what type if literature do you feel would be popular with the "satori generation"?

I imagine it would be some kind of magical realism (let's say Zafón) and, in general, books with nostalgic/melancholic atmosphere, filled with yearning to a 'better' world (first thing that comes to my mind is Earthsea).

[Anonymous No.6060893]

>>6060849
It's quite simple. The illustrious Han Feizi pointed out that all human interaction can be reduced to punishments and rewards. Tell a joke I don't like and you will be punished with a frown. If I like it, you will be rewarded with a laughter. And so on...

Now, if the costs/punishments of starting a family is higher than your expected salary/reward, then you will be less likely to start a family.

I think that this Old Economy Steve says it simplest.

[Anonymous No.6062370]

>>6059982

I said it wasn't entirely your fault, but whingebags like you don't do anything to help.

[Anonymous No.6063646]

On the one hand, it's true that the game is rigged and older generations shouldn't be surprised if young people these days opt out of playing. This blog has a good take on it from several years ago: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/11/hipsters_on_food_stamps.html

On the other hand, I still don't have a ton of respect for my peers who live that way. I know social forces limit and shape our lives and all, but you don't have to surrender so totally. It's still totally possible for an intelligent, ambitious person with a bit of luck to do well in this world, and I don't get why you wouldn't even want to try.

I've been through the same whole thing of feeling like the wider world is a clusterfuck and I'm better off just finding a way to be comfortable and not get myself hurt, but in the end I just felt unfulfilled and cowardly. I realised that living on my own terms didn't have to be an act solely of rejection and negation. I decided to try to grab hold of what I could, without losing what felt like my centre or making sacrifices that I couldn't accept, and at this point I can confidently say that I succeeded in improving my life and I'm much happier having left all that defeatist shit behind me.

[Anonymous No.6063670]

>>6059982
Cry somewhere else pls :^)

captcha: clacy

[Anonymous No.6063916]

>>6060893
looks like a pretty cool guy tbh

[Anonymous No.6064019]

>>6059756
I really don't feel that self-awareness is a fitting word to describe the "new generation". If we were more aware about what effect our actions have we wouldn't be as apathic about everything.

[Anonymous No.6064041]

>>6059756
I really don't feel like self-aware is a fitting term to describe the "new generation".
If we/they were more aware of what effect our actions have we wouldn't be as apathetic about

[Anonymous No.6064042]

>>6059756
I really don't feel like self-aware is a fitting term to describe the "new generation".
If we/they were more aware of what effect our actions have or could we wouldn't be as apathetic about quite as many things

[Anonymous No.6064054]

>>60508883
You are not helping anyone by sitting around doing close to nothing.
The only thing that you are doing and which could potentially have any effect on anything is consuming things which adds to the trainwreck that is the world economy.

[Anonymous No.6064197]

>>6062370
>>6063670
ok, sorry :(

[Anonymous No.6064251]

>>6064042
Depends on how pessimistic one is.