/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.6018433]

Since /lit/ is commie central of 4chan, I'd like to hear how the first 20 or so seconds of this make you feel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNAxRufMBHI

Is The Movement still alive?

[Anonymous No.6018449]

/lit/ isn't necessarily commie, it's just the only board that manages to talk about communism beyond >muh walfare state.

It's also not necessarily religious, just the only board that manages to talk about religion beyond >muh science.

[Anonymous No.6018454]

The first international is dead.
The second international is dead.
The third international is too old and the forth international is fake.

The internationals are no more, we now only can have national revolutions like the korear, vietnam and cuban ones.

I blame the fall of stalinism, the destalinization created huge rifts between the communist parties around the world.
See yugoslavia and albania.
There are still some orthodox communist parties like the greek communist party.
There is hope for a real 4th international or a 5th one.
But not anytime soon.

[Anonymous No.6018457]

>>6018433
Never really liked The Internatianale tbh, find this much more emotional

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs

>Is The Movement still alive?

I am hurt but I am not slain.

I'll lay me down and bleed awhile,

Then I'll rise and fight again.'

[Anonymous No.6018469]

There is still the "International Meeting of Communist and Workers' Parties"
It's not that bad.

[Anonymous No.6018473]

Joint Statement of the CP of the Peoples of Spain and the KKE (greece) 14th January 2015

The peoples must turn their backs on all the managers of capitalism
The visit of the Spanish Prime Minister, Mariano Rajoy, to Greece in order to support the ND party comes after a similar expression of support for SYRIZA made by PODEMOS and the “United Left”.

The forces of the new two party system in Greece seek to present their Spanish “allies” to the Greek people and in the name of the “front of the South” to capture the votes of the workers. The aim of both the “rightwing” and “leftwing” managers is none other than the development of capital’s profitability and the reinforcement of the illusions that the EU and capitalism can become “viable” for the workers.

The KKE and the CP of the Peoples of Spain denounce the international attempt to mislead the peoples which is being orchestrated by ND and SYRIZA with the support of their Spanish allies and call on the workers to turn their backs on all the managers of capitalism that use every means available to seize the people’s votes and to implement a harsh anti-people political line.

The answer that responds to the interests of the Spanish and Greek people is a strong CP of the Peoples of Spain, a strong KKE, a strong labour-people’s movement.

[Anonymous No.6018479]

>>6018469
Straya's couldn't be arsed to come.

[Anonymous No.6018482]

>>6018469
>>6018479

[Anonymous No.6018488]

>>6018473
Good luck based KKE

[Anonymous No.6018510]

Some communist parties with actual political power

Nepal Parliamentary representation: 29%
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Nepal_(Unified_Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist)

Russia Parliamentary representation: 20%
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_the_Russian_Federation

Vietnam Parliamentary representation: 91.5%
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Vietnam

Cyprus Parliamentary representation: 34%
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_of_Working_People

Czech Parliamentary representation: 16.5%
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Bohemia_and_Moravia

China Parliamentary representation: 70%
>implying
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China

Cuba Parliamentary representation: 100%
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Cuba

Greece Parliamentary representation: 4%
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Greece

[Anonymous No.6018524]

>>6018510
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_the_Russian_Federation

A lot of people don't like these guys but you can't deny Zyuganov's style

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/communist-party-leader-in-dress-code-faux-pas-at-stalins-grave/500389.html

[Anonymous No.6018545]

>>6018510
Don't forget japan

[Anonymous No.6018918]

>>6018433

>FTFY

[Anonymous No.6018955]

>>6018510
In Greece, SYRIZA will almost certainly win the election in a week. They're led by reformed Eurocommunists who have drifted to the old social democratic position but they have a rear-garde of Maoists and Trotskyists who may well make government impossible. First time Marxists are elected to government in their own right in the EU and it may not last a month.

[Anonymous No.6018962]

>>6018510
communist parties are generally said shit.
Sorry anon

[Anonymous No.6018969]

>>6018433
>liberals pretending to be leftists get killed by reactionaries and are celebrated as martyrs by liberals pretending to be leftists

They don't deserve the Internationale since their actions and beliefs were contrary to the goals of scientific socialism's eradication of racism and since they served as pet jokers of the liberal state, but I'm not torn up about it.

[Anonymous No.6018970]

>>6018454
how can you be such a stalin fanboy my god, he was like shitting over everything communism stands for

[Anonymous No.6019000]

>>6018970
Fuck off trot

[Anonymous No.6019016]

>>6019000
not even a trot nice try iossif

[Anonymous No.6019042]

I wish I was simpleton enough to be Communist. You guys have top tier aesthetics.

[Anonymous No.6019051]

>>6018510
Cuba has a lot of Independent elected, it is not 100%, also talking about the Greek Communist Party and no Portuguese Communist Party..

[Anonymous No.6019057]

>>6018969
You petite-burgeois liberals sure are orthodox. Only one of them could talk about Racism in this case, the eyes always focusing in no central questions of the workers. Eurocommunism is a bitch

[Anonymous No.6019062]

Any of the UK communist parties worth joining?

[Anonymous No.6019066]

>>6018473
>>6018488
This is exemplary of so much of what is wrong with the modern left. Either you want to be a political party, or you want to be a revolutionary movement. If you want to be a (relevant) political party that means getting your hands dirty and actually participating in politics. If you want to be a revolutionary movement then go on and hit the mattresses.

So much of the left never even consider actual practical goals, or what methods will help advance their argument in society. It's basically just a subculture for like minded people to hang out, get laid, and roll their eyes at all the sell outs and collaborationists.

[Anonymous No.6019075]

>>6019062
Total mate. go for it and then tell everyone because of all the respect you will get.

[Anonymous No.6019081]

>>6019066
Literally meaningless babble.

[Anonymous No.6019086]

>>6019062
Yeah the Tory party's pretty successful but you probably need to be a mason to get the chicks.

[Anonymous No.6019114]

>>6018433
I didn't approve of the cartoons but they were nothing worth shooting someone in the head over. It's sad I suppose, they were all socialists and now they're dead because the state will look after me, whatever, won't it?

[Anonymous No.6019121]

>>6019114
They were Communist and Anarchist, not Socialist, stop trying to lessen their political positions

[Anonymous No.6019127]

>>6018454
Hey, Yugoslavia was pretty sweet while it lasted.

[Anonymous No.6019149]

>>6019081
I don't see anything wrong with what they said. Right-wing/non left-wing parties have more to drawn on.

The left wing draws on unions which are organizations dependent on businesses and universities professors who like unions are ultimately dependent on a higher power. The right wing draws on corporations and small businesses which have far more independence and power then unions. They have a multitude of business/non profit organizations while the left can't even offer major mutual aid organizations just a number of social democratic/leninist/anarchist groups that normally fall apart like the SWP. The left doesn't participate in the economy through things like cooperatives. Unlike Marx in his day they are almost totally ignorant of modern economics just designating as “a grand conspiracy by the oligarchy” despite the ways they have noticed how the free market can fail. Capital as Power http://bnarchives.yorku.ca/259/02/20090522_nb_casp_full_indexed.pdf is perhaps the only good left wing critique of our current situation but it tears down just as many marxist assumptions as it does liberal ones even though it draws more from Marx.

[Anonymous No.6019162]

Why does reactionary right wing politics feel so good? It's like junk food, I know I shouldn't, but it's just so satisfying.

>hatred
>simplicity
>embraces the anti-rational
>forbidden/taboo nature among liberal and tumblr-left upper middle class types i'm surrounded by first at school and now at work

All that stuff just feels good on a like a reptilian level, even if I know I don't 'really' believe it (whatever that means.) I see some leftist agitprop that hits some of those sweet spots, but mostly you guys seem to be focused more on ideas/substance/dialouge which matters basically not at all in the grand scheme of things. People are dumb, emotional herd animals. You all should think more about how to push their buttons.

[Anonymous No.6019171]

>>6018433

I'd hardly call it Commie, you probably do get a lot of Commies on here or at least, people who have read into communist theorists, but you probably get people of other political ideologies in here, hell I'm a Libertarian.

[Anonymous No.6019174]

>>6019162
Both sides have their ivory towers and their mobs.

The left just has pussy-ass faggy mobs like antifa and its ivory tower is a neutered pet of the bourgeoisie.

[Anonymous No.6019186]

>>6019127
tito denied asylum to thousands of greek partisans and he is one of the reasons of the escalation of the greek civil war.

[Anonymous No.6019205]

>>6019162
communism needs father figures that the dumb populi will follow. A new Lenin/Stalin/Tito/Castro/Mao etc.
We need one asap
The right wingers have them.

[Anonymous No.6019216]

we need more stalinists to get both the gommunists and the dumb /pol/acs.

[Anonymous No.6019233]

>>6019149
Unions were originally illegal organisations workers used to gain various worker rights, better pay, etc. They are hardly right wing. The left does participate through co-ops, although its not exactly wide spread. Unions only lost power through authoritarian neo-liberal governments putting through anti-union legislation.

[Anonymous No.6019241]

>>6019171
>Libertarian
What a meme fucking ideology.

[Anonymous No.6019284]

>>6019233
I never said that unions were right wing. Due to the asymmetrical relationship between businesses and unions businesses were able to outwit unions even without anti union legislation by doing things like moving their factories to cheaper locales. A few leftists bother with cooperatives and those that do don't think to use them sort of way to gain power or change the status quo so we end up with "there is no alternative"

[Anonymous No.6019291]

>>6019241

I libertarianism is a meme ideology then surely communism is an ideology for angsty teens,

[Anonymous No.6019322]

>>6018433
Stalinization now or the communist movement will be ruled by ponytards, homosexuals and socialdemocrats. Really.

[Anonymous No.6019336]

>>6019241
meme is a good way to describe it

>creates a simple closed system
>nice easy answer for everything
>lets you feel smarter than everyone without knowing or learning much of anything

Pretty much intellectual crack for a certain type of slightly above average, young and introverted man.

Funny how scientism/new-athiest crap seems to catch the same types of people for the same types of reasons, despite the fact that the one big unifier for the Austrian econ crowd is anti-empiricism.

[Anonymous No.6019343]

>>6019322
This.

[Anonymous No.6019372]

>>6018524
>Russian Communist Party leader Gennady Zyuganov caused a stir on the Russian blogosphere for laying flowers at the grave of Soviet dictator Josef Stalin while wearing an Adidas tracksuit jacket.

My sides were not prepared.

[Anonymous No.6019536]

>>6019205
We hash Slavoj

[Anonymous No.6019551]

>>6019372
>Afterwards, Zyuganov and his cabinet did the third world squat in a circle and drank vodka from water glasses. Obviously inebriated security personnel removed all reporters from the premises. At 4am the following morning, the Minister Of The Interior was found on the parking grounds of the local hospital, where unknown parties had left him. He was found with a broken jaw and is on the way to recovery. The government of Russia has so far released no statement on the incident.

[Anonymous No.6019554]

>>6018918

excellent

[Anonymous No.6019600]

Communism leads to mass murder. Its been proved over and over and the people who still support it are the more retarded of retards

[Anonymous No.6019605]

>>6019600
>he post it in every thread

[Anonymous No.6019616]

>>6019605
you are just mad that your system sounds good in theory but in practice it could never work.

[Anonymous No.6019617]

>>6019600

[Anonymous No.6019621]

>>6019616
Could you describe this system for me anon?

[Anonymous No.6019662]

>>6019621
Communism. Where no one owns capital and people kill you if you are religious or don't agree with it.

[Anonymous No.6019670]

>>6019662
If at least their attempts were funny, it could be passible, but this post really amount to a big pile of nothingness. Claiming that communists ate children would be better than that

[Anonymous No.6019677]

>>6018918

my sides have been purged by the NKVD

[Anonymous No.6019700]

>>6019062
Yes, join the Socialist Workers Party. Tell them, "the name is Delta, Comrade Delta." Trust me, they will be impressed by this.

[Anonymous No.6019703]

>>6019322
Stalin did nothing wrong.
Most of his "killings" were western propaganda.

[Anonymous No.6019705]

>>6019662
no one was killed for being religious in soviet union.

[Anonymous No.6019718]

The Left needs to distance itself from old failed "Communist Parties" and Soviet/Maoist politics. It was a mega socio-political-economic catastrophe by political opportunists.

Power ate itself up and it just became a guise under which to assert the new ruling class's control while perverting Leftism and anti-imperialist politics in the process. Ruined everything for all of us that are anti-capitalists and made Leftism into political caricatures. The Left needs to be re-branded.

[Anonymous No.6019719]

>>6019700
why are trots such rapists?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Healy

[Anonymous No.6019728]

>>6019719
Long Live the Desire Called Marx!
Long Live the Desire Called Comrade Gerry Healy!
Comrade Gerry Healy Did Nothing Wrong!
Free Comrade Bala!

[Anonymous No.6019729]

>>6019703
doesn't change the stone cold FACT that he murdered millions. Communism is one of the worst things that have ever happened to the world.

[Anonymous No.6019731]

>>6019729
What, worse than the Fifty Shades series?!?!

[Anonymous No.6019740]

>>6019729
and god killed billions of humans.

[Anonymous No.6019745]

>you will never live in a world free of Commie, Nazi, Democratic, theologian filth

[Anonymous No.6019757]

>you will never be a working class/peasant revolutionary who rose through the ranks during the Revolution and carry out the property seizures against class enemies who used to oppress you

[Anonymous No.6019760]

>tankies
>trotskites
the worst

[Anonymous No.6019763]

KKE is buddies with North fucking Korea, anyone with even a hint of respect for their fellow man would stay far away from them.

[Anonymous No.6019764]

>>6019757
>peasant
>revolutionary
He doesn't realize he is objectively incapable of revolutionary class consciousness.

[Anonymous No.6019765]

>>6019757
Never give hope.

[Anonymous No.6019766]

>doesn't change the stone cold FACT that he murdered millions. Communism is one of the worst things that have ever happened to the world.

Communism >> directly responsible for all murders under its jurisdiction, simple
Capitalism >> not responsible b/c it's "more complicated"

[Anonymous No.6019775]

>>6019763
>KKE is buddies with North fucking Korea

gbol no doubt

[Anonymous No.6019802]

>>6019766

I don't agree with that guy that communism was responsible for the purges

but Stalin was responsible

>inb4 Stalin dindu nuffin

[Anonymous No.6019805]

>>6019162
>>embraces the anti-rational
Most marxism embraces this shit even more than reactionaries. Remember that Adorno starts his Dialectic of Enlightenment with a few sentences about de Maistre and his book against Bacon.

[Anonymous No.6019808]

>>6019802
>inb4 Stalin dindu nuffin

Stalin did do something, he brought counter revolutionaries to justice.

[Anonymous No.6019820]

>>6019805

Um, dude. Adorno knew that despite the dialectical entanglement of reason and myth, that to constantly renew the resources of reason was necessary and desirable.

[Anonymous No.6019823]

>>6019766
Because Capitalists don't kill people like commies did. Do you see mass planned exterminations going on by first world capitalist countrys? No? didnt think so.

[Anonymous No.6019824]

>>6019805
Well duhuh, Bacon was Lucifer's incarnation on earth.

[Anonymous No.6019826]

Two words: North Korea

[Anonymous No.6019844]

>>6019826
two words: Ass Face

[Anonymous No.6019884]

>>6019823
I'm sorry, you were saying?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_killings_of_1965–66#Foreign_involvement_and_reaction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras

http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-thatcher-helped-pol-pot/5330873

And this of course if we forget about the indirect forms of killing, like the smoking problem in Indonesia which claims 300.000 lives per year, thank to a tobacco industry completely free of regulations, all of them american companies of course, to whom selling cigarettes to children suddenly turns acceptable in the 3rd world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_in_Indonesia

[Anonymous No.6019893]

>>6019884
This documentary illustrates well the results of Capitalism in relation to the tobacco industry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkkMhKEfOqw

[Anonymous No.6019914]

>>6019884
Uh huh, and a world under communism would definitely see less death and degeneration. Just like history has shown us thus far.

[Anonymous No.6019926]

>>6019893
why can't i see this video?

[Anonymous No.6019939]

productive thread, as always

[Anonymous No.6019954]

>>6019914
See the post I was replying to
"Do you see mass planned exterminations going on by first world capitalist countrys?"
Yes, those are just some examples of massacres committed by first world countries. The Destruction of Pyongyang is also interesting to look at, and wonder if North Korea would be as it is today had it not been so violently attacked by America.

[Anonymous No.6019965]

>>6019954
Uh huh, and a world under communism would definitely see less death and degeneration. Just like history has shown us thus far.

[Anonymous No.6019976]

Is China not good enough for you?
oh ye of little faith.

[Anonymous No.6019986]

>>6019965
Are you then saying that Communism and Capitalism are equal?

[Anonymous No.6020002]

>>6019986
I'm saying that in terms of human death:
communist regimes > Capitalist regimes

[Anonymous No.6020028]

>>6020002
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/hunger-kills-6000-indian-kids-daily/62220-17.html

I forgot that only in Russia do deaths by hunger count as homicides, fortunately because if it we considered people who died of hunger in India we would come up with a number sufficient to bury all the communist regimes.

[Anonymous No.6020034]

>>6020028
And India would surely be less hungry under a communist regime, just like all the past countries under communist regimes

[Anonymous No.6020039]

>>6020028
If death due to hunger counted in capitalist countries then they would kill as many as the "communist" countries did every 10-12 years

[Anonymous No.6020040]

>>6019976
>5'9
rofl probably taller than most of the manlets who wanna fuck it

[Anonymous No.6020042]

>>6018510
>all those shit countries

[Anonymous No.6020048]

>>6020034
I'm saying that in terms of human death:
Capitalist regimes > Communist Regimes

Cuba is actually one of the only 3rd world countries without child malnutrition.

[Anonymous No.6020050]

>>6020048
in contrast with India, which is far richer and with far more capacity to grow food (Cuba being a volcanic Island) and has more than 50% Child Malnutrition.

[Anonymous No.6020051]

>>6020048
according to the cubang government

[Anonymous No.6020056]

>>6020051
http://www.unicef.org/specialsession/about/sgreport-pdf/02_ChildMalnutrition_D7341Insert_English.pdf

According to UNICEF

[Anonymous No.6020057]

>>6019757
>Marxist
>You will never be working class

Yeah

[Anonymous No.6020060]

>>6019729

[Anonymous No.6020061]

>>6020040
>tfw 5'10"

i-i barely dodged that bullet

[Anonymous No.6020063]

>>6020048
I'm saying in terms of human death, if communist regimes were distributed as much as capitalist regimes
Communist regimes > Capitalist regimes

And to say that communism is better than capitalism because it causes less deaths (indirectly) and ignoring its own history of mass systematic murders is cancerous.

[Anonymous No.6020066]

>>6020063
I was making a joke with the guy who said the exact same thing about capitalism, i do not consider a system better or worse in terms of how many they have killed. The other guy did.

[Anonymous No.6020716]

>>6019808
this. many trotskyists helped the Nazis.

[Anonymous No.6020723]

>>6019823
there is a mass genocide going on in africa for the last 100 years.

[Anonymous No.6020730]

>On the other hand, the cheapest form of pride is national pride; for the man affected therewith betrays a want of individual qualities of which he might be proud, since he would not otherwise resort to that which he shares with so many millions. The man who possesses outstanding personal qualities will rather see most clearly the faults of his own nation, for he has them constantly before his eyes. But every miserable fool, who has nothing in the world whereof he could be proud, resorts finally to being proud of the very nation to which he belongs. In this he finds compensation and is now ready and thankful to defend, … all the faults and follies peculiar to it.
>(From 'Parerga and Paralipomena', Vol. 1, Aphorisms on the Wisdom of Life, 'What A Man Represents', pp. 360)

:)

[Anonymous No.6020744]

>>6020057
I am working class. I work in a factory. And we have a marxist leninist union with 30 members

[Anonymous No.6020758]

>>6020730
well, I will never understand nationalists.
How can you be proud of your nation when there are so many stupid people around you?

[Anonymous No.6020762]

>All the Trots and Revisionists in this thread

>>6020063
>And to say that X is better than Y because X causes less deaths (indirectly) and ignoring its own history of mass systematic murders is cancerous.
Then you will stop crying about muh gommunism?

[Anonymous No.6020764]

>>6020060
>innocents

[Anonymous No.6020767]

>>6020057
Dumbass.

[Anonymous No.6020771]

>>6018510
The Japanese Communist Party is picking up a lot of steam

And don't forget Syriza and Podemos as anti capitalist parties
Both are going to be taking over Greece and Spain, respectively

[Anonymous No.6020773]

>commies in this thread are either stalinists or postmoderns
kill me

[Anonymous No.6020781]

>>6020771
>And don't forget Syriza and Podemos as anti capitalist parties

no.

[Anonymous No.6020783]

>>6020773
>postmoderns
Nice buzzword faggot

[Anonymous No.6020786]

>>6020773

[Anonymous No.6020789]

>>6020781
What do you mean no?
Syriza is explicitly anti capitalist
Podemos not so much, but they're further left than your "socialist parties" in Europe that only pay lip service to those ideas

[Anonymous No.6020790]

>>6020744
And then you woke up and had your foie gras

[Anonymous No.6020793]

>>6020790
no.
I am poor.
I swear.

[Anonymous No.6020796]

>you will never be in the red army choir

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8iUMzy6dQ8

[Anonymous No.6020804]

>>6020793
Proof? Did you have a middle-class upbringing? Because then you have too much cultural capital to be genuinely poor.

[Anonymous No.6020806]

I love this song.
I wish any of you could have the time to look up the lyrics.
youtube.com/watch?v=vBpeV4BE0fk

[Anonymous No.6020812]

>>6020804
we are a communist family since 1910

[Anonymous No.6020815]

>>6020804
What are you even fucking going on about? Are you the referee for pity Olympics, or are you another illiterate that thinks Marxists have to be starving mendicants? Where does this line of thought come from?

[Anonymous No.6020822]

>>6020773
A little bit of consideration and experience will lead you to Stalinism if you consider yourself a member of the far left.

[Anonymous No.6020825]

>>6020789
Even if those parties are more to the left than the Socialist Parties (which isn't really all that hard since most of them are on the center, centre-right spectrum nowadays) they still fail to have the organising capacity which characterised most Left parties, specifically the Communists. They all have this bourgeois habit to turn small unimportant subjects as their main focus, and are afraid to do anything that resembles Stalinism which lead to a lot of them supporting the European Union 20/30 years ago, and are now paying the fee for that stupid mistake.
I don't doubt they have good intentions, but I have trouble considering them Leftists, let alone a part of the Far-Left, as some try to characterise it.

[Anonymous No.6020829]

have a read.
it made me a little sad.
http://provenwrite.com/my-translations/one-guy-was-a-communist/

[Anonymous No.6020832]

>>6020822
A critical understanding of history, as it's narrated by liberal culture, will as well.

[Anonymous No.6020835]

>>6020822
Some would say that Stalinism doesn't actually exist and is but an adulteration of original Marxism-Leninism.

>all those Leftist parties thinking they can organize a Revolutionary movement without Democratic Centralism and with the right to organize tendencies within the Party.

lel

[Anonymous No.6020847]

>>6020829
it actually brought tears into my eyes

One guy was a Communist because if you were opposed, you were a Communist!

One guy was a Communist because he couldn’t bear that wretched thing they insisted on calling democracy!

One guy, one guy thought he was a Communist, and maybe he was something else entirely.

One guy was a Communist because he dreamed of a freedom that wasn’t like what they had in America.

One guy was a Communist because he believed he could be happy in life only if other people were, too.

[Anonymous No.6020849]

>>6020815
Kiss my ass dude. Marxism is shit.

[Anonymous No.6020883]

>mfw Communists are always emasculated fukbois that lived rather comfy lives because of their upper middle class families

[Anonymous No.6020889]

>>6020829
Well, I don't know. Being raised in left-wing, mid-lower classes circles of Brazil (and anywhere else in South America) you hear things like that a lot, but if you're born after a certain epoch you're almost conditioned into ignoring it.

In general, I actually like that idea that this messianic fantasy of the Lenin years is dead (even if I still respect Lenin as a theorist) and we're now hitting the books again and trying to figure things out.

The bit about feeling part of a tribe is dead, in my opinion, because "lifestyle leftism" became a thing. The duality is gone not necessarily because the dream is dead in everyone, but because in some people the dream is so alive, naive and juvenile that it took their entire self over.

[Anonymous No.6020898]

>>6020883
Hark, the odious mutt in his one-story domicile.

[Anonymous No.6020948]

>>6020883
>projecting

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.6020965]

>>6020883
Commies/leftists come from all over the income spectrum.

[Anonymous No.6020968]

>>6020948
>>6020883
>>6020835
>>6020796
>>6020773
>>6020042
>>6019757
>>6019745
>>6019336
>>6018969
quoting whom?

[Yogurt No.6020978]

>>6020965
hey :)
comemenism

[Anonymous No.6020981]

>>6020965
No.

[Anonymous No.6020982]

>>6020849
As always, when pressed just a little, the anti-commie crumbles.

[Anonymous No.6020995]

>>6020982
Commies crumbled in 1991. What r u even goin on about oi

[Yogurt No.6021004]

>>6020981
nice meme

[Anonymous No.6021005]

>>6020981
I know very rich Communists. I also know very, very poor Communists. The Majority are very poor though, and join the party because of the work they put into the unions and the work they do in the city's they rule over.

[Anonymous No.6021013]

>>6021005
Slumming it or getting kicked out by your middle class parents does not equal poor.

[Anonymous No.6021024]

>>6021013
Their grandfathers didn't study, their parents didn't study, they do not have the money to afford college. No they are, in fact, poor. The Leader of the Communist Party here was a factory worker at the age of 11, working 12 hours a day.

[Anonymous No.6021028]

>>6020883

[Anonymous No.6021030]

>>6021024
Post proof to back up your lies

[Anonymous No.6021035]

>>6021028
Look at all of those middle-class yuppie white kids, my god.

[Anonymous No.6021036]

>>6021028
>Implying they're not indoctrinated peasants

[Anonymous No.6021037]

>>6020825
>they still fail to have the organising capacity
How?
Both of those parties (especially Syriza) are projected to take over the government
> They all have this bourgeois habit to turn small unimportant subjects as their main focus
Like what?
Neither party seems to have their platform based on small issues
>which lead to a lot of them supporting the European Union 20/30 years ago
Both parties are soft Euro-sceptic
>but I have trouble considering them Leftists, let alone a part of the Far-Left, as some try to characterise it.
Why?

[Anonymous No.6021044]

>>6021028
>Socialism and dictatorship didn't work
>hmmmm
>I know, let's try communism!
>why are we still poor?

[Anonymous No.6021050]

>>6021037
>Both of those parties (especially Syriza) are projected to take over the government

Exactly, they want to take office in the bourgeois state, a leftist party would seek to destroy the bourgeois state.

[Anonymous No.6021051]

>>6021028
Their understanding of communism doesn't go beyond 'we're all equal', they got baited by a not-so-noble noble lie

[Anonymous No.6021057]

>>6021030
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerónimo_de_Sousa
14 not 11.

The Central Committee is mostly constituted by workers (60%)
http://www.dn.pt/DNMultimedia/DOCS+PDFS/comit%E9centraldopcp.pdf

It's in Portuguese, you'll have to translate it.

[Anonymous No.6021059]

>>6021051
I would doubt any of them read at a high school level.

As you said, they were preached fanciful notions of communism but really have no idea what it is past abolishing class and equal distribution.

[Anonymous No.6021063]

>>6021036

Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.6021065]

>>6018433
You literally just made this thread about "neo reactionaries" you worthless faggot

[Anonymous No.6021068]

>>6021063
Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.6021073]

>>6021051
>>6021059
>"Oh I bet they're not even REALLY gommies"
>Trying this hard to defend your feeble world-view

Fucking pathetic. Go shit-post and samefag elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.6021074]

>>6021059
>Middle class people support Communism
>HYPOCRITES NO EXPERIENCE OF REAL LIFE ONLYWORKSINTHEORY!!!11!!

>poor people support Communism
>UNEDUCATED PLEBS THEY DONT UNDERSTAND IDEAS ONLYWORKSINTHEORY!!!!11!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.6021081]

>>6021074
The poor people aren't sexual deviants motivated by a fetish for destroying their own countries so they don't fit the definition of communist in 2015.

[Anonymous No.6021082]

>>6021073
>>6021074
>mfw Commies get so buttblasted and angry online

it's amazing.

>mfw these "revolutionaries" probably can't even bench their body weight nor do they know how to field strip a weapon

[Anonymous No.6021087]

>>6021050
>a leftist party would seek to destroy the bourgeois state.
How do you plan to just do that? You act like it's something viable right now. It's easy to say these things without actually having to think about what they mean. When Syriza takes power there will likely be a shift towards making a socialist economy, that's a good enough starting spot for the time being. Dismantling the state right off the bat and replacing it with some Leninist dictatorship fairy tale isn't going to work, not yet at least. Find me an authentic true master and then maybe.

[Anonymous No.6021091]

>>6021081
see>>6021028


>>6021082
see>>6021028

[Anonymous No.6021095]

>>6021087
they'll blog about it and occupy parks

you'll see!

[Anonymous No.6021100]

>>6021068
Go crawl back in your safe-space and watch videos of Bill O'Reilly or something.

[Anonymous No.6021102]

>>6021091
See >>6021081

[Anonymous No.6021106]

>>6021100
Why would I even watch such ignominious dreck?

[Anonymous No.6021110]

>>6021091
>a bunch of dumb spics fighting for communism because socialism didn't work
>in the end they wonder why there are still social classes, why they're poor, why their nationalized industry isn't globally competitive, and why they are losing more money in taxes than getting free stuff from equal distribution

top kek

Latin America is a shithole. The only relevant Communist threats are in Europe.

[Anonymous No.6021112]

>>6021074
And all they can do in response is "lol u mad". Same as every other time. It's not just trolling or baiting, I'm thinking these anons are victims of a real mental disorder.

[Anonymous No.6021117]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvUVzvt_jtg
Interesting documentary on the Naxalites

[Anonymous No.6021126]

>>6021112
There's been plenty of legitimate arguments here. I think you're blinded by rage because your identity feels threatened. Just answer the questions.

[Anonymous No.6021128]

>>6021074
that's pretty much how it works

rich people are deluded and naive and think somehow all races and cultures will hold hands with one another if it weren't for capitalism.

poor people are tired of being poor and have a gibs me sum o dat mentality OR are motivated by the naive notions of socialism, class destruction, and an easier life without even understanding anything past that.

[Anonymous No.6021129]

>>6021110
>He thinks those are Latinos in the pic
>desperate attempt to save himself from 100% embarrassment by going 100% /pol/

It's too late.

[Anonymous No.6021135]

>>6021087
>When Syriza takes power there will likely be a shift towards making a socialist economy

There won't, there will either be an intimidate capitulation to austerity or an attempt to pursue leftist policies which will lead to an attack by the bond markets, and then a capitulation to austerity. No leftist political project can emerge from within liberal capitalism. It's not utopian to be a Leninist, it's utopian to believe you can right all the wrongs of the world simply by voting for a nicer more leftwing political party.

[Anonymous No.6021141]

>>6021110
>spics
>Latin America

Time to stop posting

[Anonymous No.6021142]

>>6021110
You realize that's India right you faggot?
>fighting for communism because socialism didn't work
What? Why would they be fighting for communism if they think socialism wont work? That makes no sense.
Aside from the fact that socialism has been tried very limitedly and that if it was given the same amount of time capitalism had to figure out the specifics to make it work than it wouldn't different
That isn't to say though all experiments in socialism have been a failure
If capitalism was given the same time frame that actually exist socialism had so far than you would have seen largely the same problems

[Anonymous No.6021143]

>>6021037
They do not organize themselves basing their action on the people, but on the media and the most populated, advanced areas, failing to get much recognition outside the intellectual vote, which is characteristic of the Left who is "soft", they are always afraid to say and suffer the consequences of their ideas. They abandoned much of the Radicalism that characterized them for a more populist and easy approach. Connected to this we see the emergence of Feminism and Homosexuality as cornerstones of both Podemos and Syriza, which are important, but certainly can't be compared with the economical and social, and are used once again in an attempt to ride the populist wave, it was easy for them to be against the European Union when it was cool, now that that idea has died a little, they no longer are for it.
They are soft-eurosceptic now, the groups from which they came, the Eurocommunist, Trostkyst groups were all big fans of the European Union and the non-communist Left around Europe supported it and ran it as their platform. Using the example of Portugal which I know best, the Bloco de Esquerda (connected deeply with both those parties) was completely pro-EU 10 years ago, and only now realised that it was all a sham.
Their movements are not connected in any way with the Working Class and they do not a Revolutionary view of the Society they live in, Rosa Luxembourg talked about Reform or Revolution, they chose Reform..
I seriously wish that they win, but it will certainly not be as you are expecting it to be.

[Anonymous No.6021149]

>>6021129
>India
>ever relevant

[Anonymous No.6021155]

>>6021142
>socialism has been tried very limitedly

>If something fails in a short amount of time a whole bunch of times it's failed because it hasn't had enough time

[Anonymous No.6021156]

>>6021142
>What? Why would they be fighting for communism if they think socialism wont work? That makes no sense.
I dunno, you tell me.

[Anonymous No.6021157]

>>6021142
You seem to be missing the point that a bunch of illiterate peasants will go along with any ideology that promises emancipation. See a couple of little-known examples from history that due to complete coincidence have ended in total failure:

The Bolshevik Revolution
The Chinese Civil War
The Vietnam War
The Shining Path
The mess in Nepal/India right now

[Anonymous No.6021166]

>>6021135
>There won't
Why?
> there will either be an intimidate capitulation to austerity
This goes against the whole reason Syriza was formed and why lots of politicians in Western Europe are panicking because they know that Syriza wont pay back all of the debt or go back into austerity
>No leftist political project can emerge from within liberal capitalism.
Going by what you're saying there's no way to transfer from capitalism to socialism then unless it's from a seemingly violent revolution which is delusional

[Anonymous No.6021179]

>>6021149
How can you keep saying such stupid things?

[Anonymous No.6021189]

>>6021155
But they didn't fail in a short amount of time like you said, it took years or for something fundamentally disruptive to happen

And to say that every economy under every socialist country has been the same is rediculous

>>6021156
They don't, they're fighting for socialism with the end result being communism.

>>6021157
Except more often than not those revolutions did emancipate those peasants from their previous means of living.
And who's to say that these people are necessarily illiterate or otherwise uneducated

[Anonymous No.6021191]

>>6021166
>Going by what you're saying there's no way to transfer from capitalism to socialism then unless it's from a seemingly violent revolution which is delusional

Has it ever happened in a different way?

[Anonymous No.6021204]

>>6021179
It's what they learnt. Mostly it is based on the impression that their individuality means a lot and that they are ever smarter than all those who just don't conform to the norms they have been brought into and never had the courage to question.
Capitalism's a Bitch, but they certainly know how to make propaganda work without making it noticeable. Something the Russians never managed to do.

[Anonymous No.6021206]

>>6021179
>communist saying others say stupid things

[Anonymous No.6021214]

>>6021191
Has it happened successfully otherwise? No.
There's no reason a political revolution such as the one happening in Greece couldn't do the same without being reformist and being successful as well.

[Anonymous No.6021216]

>>6021191
A completely worker controlled economy has never existed, so its never happened at all. Revolution itself has never produced desirable circumstances for Socialization of businesses and workplaces.

Given the state of modern Europe, it is far more reasonable to search for solutions in a mixed market system where cooperatives can obtain startup funds from the state at low interest rates and then compete in a wider market system.

[Anonymous No.6021218]

>>6021189
>Except more often than not those revolutions did emancipate those peasants from their previous means of living.
laughingwhores.jpg

>And who's to say that these people are necessarily illiterate or otherwise uneducated
Are you aware that the literacy rate in the Indian, Nepalese, and countrysides of most undeveloped nations is utter shit

[Anonymous No.6021222]

>>6021149
India is part of the G20, thus making it one the the 20 major economies in the whole world and they are ever growing.

[Anonymous No.6021225]

>>6021216
>Given the state of modern Europe, it is far more reasonable to search for solutions in a mixed market system where cooperatives can obtain startup funds from the state at low interest rates and then compete in a wider market system.

[Anonymous No.6021227]

>>6021204
I disagree. Capitalism has always had shoddy PR. Communism has an education system to hoodwink people for it.

[Anonymous No.6021232]

>>6021214
Is it worth it then, should we be happy with getting half of what we truly wanted? Shouldn't we be aiming for change, independently of what we might be called? Should we sell-out in exchange of a couple of small victories?
Should we settle with what we can get or should we aim at what we should be getting.

[Anonymous No.6021233]

>>6021222
That's only because there's a lot of them.

[Anonymous No.6021238]

>>6021225
Protracted people's war in France and Germany! Starve out the cities...from other cities!

[Anonymous No.6021248]

>>6021218
>laughingwhores.jpg
You're fucking retarded if you think otherwise
>Are you aware that the literacy rate in the Indian, Nepalese, and countrysides of most undeveloped nations is utter shit
Who's to say they can't learn?
And the literacy rates in these parts of India are rarely under 50%

[Anonymous No.6021261]

>vaporwave
>ever being good

[Anonymous No.6021264]

>>6021227
Capitalism convinced the Anarchists that they are Punk who go into the streets and smash windows, it has effectively made most Leftists easily controllable, afraid of Revolutions and essentially sissys, it has created a society based on simplicity and basic things aiming to turn intellectualism into a bad thing, which it is quickly managing.
The Media they control, with Journalist no longer aiming for quality and the truth but on sensationalism, is most times used to attack countries which are outside the Capitalist group. Protesters in Hong Kong are freedom fighters while Italian Students clashing with the police are hoodlums who should be at school, etc...

[Anonymous No.6021265]

>>6021232
Why does not rushing into something mean the sacrifice of the greater goal or otherwise settling for something less?
How would transitioning without violent revolution be any less of a transition?

[Anonymous No.6021268]

>>6021261
oops wrong tab

[Anonymous No.6021274]

>>6021248
>You're fucking retarded if you think otherwise
So you're saying that Lenin's, Stalin's, and Mao's agricultural policies didn't result in astronomically high death counts unparalleled at any other point in history

>Who's to say they can't learn?
Learn what? How to read and write? That's one of the most basic fucking components of a civilized society. Industrialization and capitalism free peasants, not civil wars based on insane ideologies.

[Anonymous No.6021275]

>>6021233
Then it is relevant Economically and Socially, since there are a lot of them. You are right, India is an important subject of study.

[Anonymous No.6021294]

>>6021265
But the point is you can't transition by engaging with liberal democracy in that way, the IMF, the EU, the bond markets and every one else who has an interest in Greece's continued humiliation will not just meekly accept defeat, they won't surrender power just because someone wins an election.

[Anonymous No.6021296]

>>6021265
Because they get more and more into the system, and eventually become like them. Socialist Parties around Europe were not like they are now, they became so after years of supposedly changing things.
The only thing I'm saying is, isn't it a little bit of an hypocrisy to be something and say other things, for the sake of election? Shouldn't we aim to be completely clear about our intentions and aims?

[Anonymous No.6021302]

>>6021264
Capitalism is a dirty word. Communism is now a word used to mock right-wingers.

The reason why leftists are effeminate is because of their own social justice memes that actually did spring out of punk movements.

[Anonymous No.6021313]

>>6021274
Lenin's agricultural policies under the NEP created a greatly increased production
However that wasn't my point, my point was that these revolutions emancipated workers and peasants

No one should disagree that there's nothing Stalin did well

And Mao just like the original Bolshevik revolution, like I said, greatly emancipated the peasants from feudalism prior to the Great Leap Forward

And you didn't answer my question, what's stopping those Naxalites who are illiterate from learning to read from their fellow comrades

>Industrialization and capitalism free peasants
laughingwhores dot jay peg

[Anonymous No.6021317]

>>6021296
Just because things one way in the past doesn't mean the necessarily will
Using your logic then that would automatically defeat what you're saying as there has yet been a violent revolution that has remained successful

[Anonymous No.6021319]

>>6021302
you are downplaying the influence Capitalism had on Society. For instance, Pollock was funded as well as other abstractionists by the CIA, and it is clear why they wanted so, why they were so open to people like Warhol or Dalí, they embodied the notion of art for art sake, the embodied the lack of idea, the pleasures of colours, in contrast with what existed in Europe and Russia, where Art was heavily debated and thought upon, and was created with meaning.

[Anonymous No.6021340]

>>6021317
I would consider Cuba quite successful, but nonetheless, i don't say it isn't possible, we have seen what happens when coalitions were made, when we didn't put into motion what our ideals are. The reason many Communist Parties lost their mojo was because of their entering Leftist Coalitions like the French Communist Parties.

I just don't want you to have to go through the pain of you not seeing what you would expect anon. It is better not to cry victory until things happen.

[Anonymous No.6021347]

>>6021225
Tell me then, oh honourable chairman of my heart, how are we going to achieve widespread Socialization of industry if not by forming worker cooperatives and using already set up methods of distribution in a broadly Keynesian framework? How are we going to end up abolishing all relevant state economic power and achieving a democratic and Socialist society?

I'm listening.

[Anonymous No.6021357]

>>6021319
I can't prove this, but trust me. The same thing that happened with Pollock is happening for radical social justice, led by self-identifying Communists right now in the west. Instead of soft power being used against an enemy it's ridicule used to shut down internal dissent. These are radical feminists that also work on predator drones.

[Anonymous No.6021367]

>>6021340
I'm not thinking that they're going to transform Greece into a communist wonderland, but they're an essential pivoting point in which they'll show to the world that global capitalism can be resisted. For a long time now this idea has been non existent since the fall of the USSR.

Yes you could say Cuba has been moderately successful, but to say that they're still socialist is pushing it now.The DPRK if they reverted their Songun policies and continued to liberalize their social policies than I wouldn't be surprised if there was progress. Prior to Songun I think their living standards weren't so horrible. However one could argue that their increase in military spending happened prior to the official policies of "Songun"

[Anonymous No.6021378]

>>6021357
>radical social justice, led by self-identifying Communists right now in the west
This is bullshit, most ideas of social justice coming out of the US have been liberals who took certain elements from the New Left movement and removed the Marxism.

[Anonymous No.6021382]

Communism will never work for you anime-watching limpwristed faggots because me and my salt of the earth comrades will kill all gays (you) and probably all overtly religious folk also women can't really work on par with men.

So yeah, get fucked. Can we abolish the human rights act already? geez.

[Anonymous No.6021392]

>>6021227
> Capitalism has always had shoddy PR
>implying edward bernay's entire propaganda system that allowed america to get away with war crimes for the entirety of the 20th century and that brainwashed an entire nation that capitalism is magic is "shoddy pr"
what kind of drug do you smoke and where can i get it

[Anonymous No.6021404]

>>6021378
American defense research rosters, especially those in 'disruptive technology research' are full to the brim with self-identifying communists. Fact. They're currently learning how to use comedy as a weapon in order to shut down any dissent via fear of ridicule.

[Anonymous No.6021421]

>>6021404
What the fuck kind of drugs are you on man lmao
go back to your containment board with your conspiracy theorist bullshit

[Anonymous No.6021446]

>>6019162
There's a difference between being rational and doing intellectual gymnastics to confuse your readers and make them act/think based on misguided basal reactions. Pro-tip: Communism does the latter.

[Anonymous No.6021450]

>>6021421
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/05/why-are-spy-researchers-building-a-metaphor-program/239402/

I didn't conjur up the idea by misinterpreting the article. Recruits for this project are self-identifying communist hipsters who do ironic comedy.

[Anonymous No.6021462]

>>6021450
>I didn't conjure up this idea
>Makes up an original idea that wasn't presented in the article
Nice

[Anonymous No.6021476]

>>6021218
>Indian, Nepalese
>this nigga thinks India and Nepal are socialist states

[Anonymous No.6021478]

>>6021476
the Communist Party of Nepal was elected a couple of years ago

[Anonymous No.6021486]

>>6021462
Like I said, the recruits were ironic communists and that article is vague and framing it as a counter-terrorist translator program which is false.

http://vimeo.com/77989095

You don't have to watch the video, check the description. That's a legit defense research program not some throwaway grant.

[Anonymous No.6021491]

>>6021478
It wasn't a ruling party
Also there's like 6 different ones

[Anonymous No.6021493]

>>6018524
>adidas tracksuit jacket

you couldn't get more russian if you tried. what the fuck is it with russians and tracksuits

[Anonymous No.6021494]

>>6021274
>So you're saying that Lenin's, Stalin's, and Mao's agricultural policies didn't result in astronomically high death counts unparalleled at any other point in history
Oh, boy.

[Anonymous No.6021498]

>>6021486
>Like I said, the recruits were ironic communists
You said this, the article didn't

[Anonymous No.6021499]

>>6021478
Sure, but that doesn't make the state socialist. I notice you didn't bother defending the India claim, which is substantially more ridiculous.