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Umberto Eco Mon Apr 26 11:55:05 2010 No.598310 [Reply] [Original]

Don't mind me, I'm just being the greatest writer alive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 11:58:05 2010 No.598322 File: 22 KB, 309x475, n58257.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I know it's not one of his classics but does anyone else love this book?

Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:00:05 2010 No.598328

that guy certainly is one of the most interesting scholars of semiotics, but I wouldn't call that writing great.

It's all about edumacating and stuff, playing with genre-stereotypes and tricking the reader into learning stuff.

If you believe he is the greatest writer of all time, you are fucking retarded.
Writing about interesting stuff in an entertaining way while being totally smart does not make you great.

>>	Orhan !3VNuRGq.ek Mon Apr 26 12:00:05 2010 No.598329 watch him here - it's long but worth it: http://www.nypl.org/audiovideo/how-talk-about-books-you-havent-read-pierre-bayard-umberto-eco-paul-h oldengr%C3%A4ber

>>	Umberto Eco Mon Apr 26 12:02:05 2010 No.598336 >>598328 Not 'of all time,' but certainly the greatest living today.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:03:05 2010 No.598341 >>598328 y u mad?!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:04:05 2010 No.598345 i read some of his essays ages ago and they were really interesting i liked the one about theme parks

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:04:05 2010 No.598346 >>598336 wut? broaden your horizons, man, really.

>>	Umberto Eco Mon Apr 26 12:06:05 2010 No.598355 >>598346 No. I'm better than Murakami and McCarthy. Thanks anyway.

Cormac McCarthy Mon Apr 26 12:17:05 2010 No.598387
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>>598355

I beg to differ, you greasy little guido. Whilst you wallow in medievalism and Templar occult nonsense, I write about real people and real struggles. You couldn't describe a motley horde of savage redskins if it were charging directly at you. Go stuff your face with more tiramisu and pomo nonsense and leave the real writing to real writers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:19:05 2010 No.598393 >>598355 you are basically proving my point here. those aren't so great either.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:20:05 2010 No.598397 >>598393 Then enlighten us, already.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:21:05 2010 No.598400 File: 326 KB, 679x557, 1268262818605.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>598355 >Murakami

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:24:05 2010 No.598415 I think even Eco himself would concede that title to Pynchon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:26:05 2010 No.598424 >>598397 You have Philip Roth for example. Or Paul Auster (even though his later works suck). Then you have Orhan Pamuk.... And I just pulled those out of my ass in 10 seconds.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:27:05 2010 No.598427 >>598415 Here's a wild card: Against the Day is better than Gravity's Rainbow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:29:05 2010 No.598435 >>598397 Marquez is still alive either.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:30:05 2010 No.598439 >>598427 I completely agree. Against the Day is the last decade's best novel, in my completely unqualified opinion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:30:05 2010 No.598442 Kazuo Ishiguro and Orhan Pamuk Broaden your horizons cosmopo/lit/ans

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:31:05 2010 No.598444 >>598439 thank you. what other novel, outside of Ulysses maybe, has such a breadth of styles? No other novel, that's what.

>>	Umberto Eco Mon Apr 26 12:34:05 2010 No.598452 >>598424 Philip Roth? That serial self-inserter? That smarmy self-debasing secular pomo fop? I nearly choked on my espresso from laughter.

Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:35:05 2010 No.598454

Le-Clezio anyone?

only because there are only 4 different authors in lits contemporary rotation (disregarding all those genre hacks of course, they would never be accepted as fine literature by the establishement anyways) it doesn't mean they are the only ones.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:38:05 2010 No.598462 >>598452 funny, coming from Umberto Eco and all... he being the epitome of pomo, and you should really read lector in fabula. as if he didn't insert himself, ever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:40:05 2010 No.598466 >>598322 it's my favorite book of his. Not necessarily the best, but my favorite to read.

Modern Satirist Terry Pratchett Mon Apr 26 12:41:05 2010 No.598467
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McCarthy is great for minimalist prose (speaking of his earlier Tennessee works), and Eco is fine for a hyperintellectual history lesson. How about satirists? In the spirit of Swift and Twain, i'd say Pratchett is one of the greatest writers alive. He might appeal to a larger audience through comedic means, but comedy has historically been the medium for the most relevant social commentary.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:42:05 2010 No.598471 >>598467 George Saunders.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:48:05 2010 No.598483 >>598467 More like Hairy Pratchett amirite

>>	Umberto Eco Mon Apr 26 12:52:05 2010 No.598497 >>598467 Unfettered silliness coated in a thin patina of generic fantasy does not great satire make. This man isn't in the league of Swift or Twain.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:55:05 2010 No.598503 >>598467 Good god the man has baboon arms. I can only imagine the back hair.

Terry Pratchett Mon Apr 26 13:08:05 2010 No.598552

>>598497

Read Small Gods or Men at Arms. Poignant satires on religion (including Eastern religions that rarely get outed for limited perspective and undertones of heirarchy) and the justice system. Just because thinking and laughing proves hard for you doesn't discredit a great writer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 13:10:05 2010 No.598557 >>598442 pamuk yes, also seamus heaney. have yet to read kazuo ishiguro though so unable to comment.

>>	Umberto Eco Mon Apr 26 13:19:05 2010 No.598577 >>598552 Religion is the favorite whipping boy of scads of silly pseuds just like you, my limey friend. I think enough to take a more holistic perspective on the matter, and I'd laugh if you were funny.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 13:22:05 2010 No.598583 >>598577 please, stop wearing that good mans name.

>>	JD Salinger Mon Apr 26 13:24:05 2010 No.598586 File: 105 KB, 525x416, salinger.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] sure are a lot of phonies in this thread

>>	Umberto Eco Mon Apr 26 13:30:05 2010 No.598600 >>598583 Only when you stop wearing your converse and skinny jeans.

Anonymous Mon Apr 26 13:31:05 2010 No.598602

Eco is pretty good. His writing on semiotics is better than his fiction, and both are pretty specialized works.

>>598424
Everything Roth has done has been done better by Cheever and Updike (both dead unfortunately). And as far as man of letters, lets-talk-about-America, essayist tendencies go Gore Vidal is better than him(also still alive).

Auster is terrible. Seriously. The same writing as James Patterson with all the tropes replaced by metafictional macguffins.

I haven't read Pamuk yet though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 13:32:05 2010 No.598605 >>598600 never wore them. I only wear three pieced suits, taylored in Bond Street. And monocles, of course.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 13:34:05 2010 No.598607 Name of the Rose is a glorified murder mystery, and Foucault's Pendulum is just Dan Brown with postmodern wankery thrown in. What gives?

>>	scarletisred !EWO1S5XDG2 Mon Apr 26 13:34:05 2010 No.598608 >>598586 >alive

>>	JD Salinger Mon Apr 26 13:37:05 2010 No.598614 File: 106 KB, 600x955, salinger2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>598608 Oh, I'm very much so. I'm chillaxin' in Brazil with my bros Tupac and Biggie. Shit's so cash.

>>	Umberto Eco Mon Apr 26 13:42:05 2010 No.598621 >>598605 You'd make a fine clergyman, they like to dress fancy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 13:50:05 2010 No.598637 >>598607 >i just read the cliffnotes

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 14:01:05 2010 No.598655 >>598607 >Foucault's Pendulum is just Dan Brown with postmodern wankery thrown in I hope you didn't read it otherwise you just wasted your time.

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