Marxist works on US history

[Anonymous No.5982127]

* https://archive.org/details/AmericanCapitalism16071800
* https://archive.org/details/TheFirstAmericanRevolution
* https://archive.org/details/TheStruggleForAmericanFreedom
* https://archive.org/details/TheRiseOfTheAmericanNation
* https://archive.org/details/JosephWeydemeyerPioneerOfAmericanSocialism
* https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7trXEFcZimVdVlNbTNSbEl1Zzg/edit
* https://archive.org/details/MarxandEngelsontheUnitedStates
* https://archive.org/details/LeninOnTheUnitedStatesOfAmerica
* https://archive.org/details/LeninsImpactOnTheUnitedStates
* http://bookzz.org/book/988561/b4f382

[Anonymous No.5982440]

>>5982127
When a man asks for power to do good, my impulse is to cancel out the last three words, leaving simply 'I want power,' that is easy to believe.

[Anonymous No.5982450]

>>5982127
Very good

[Anonymous No.5982755]

>>5982450
Almost every link is to a book put out between 1937 and 1952 so yeah Joseph Stalin would literally approve.

[Anonymous No.5983047]

>>5982440
Soviet view of Benjamin Franklin: http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/benjamin+franklin

[Anonymous No.5983621]

k00l

[Anonymous No.5983672]

>>5982127
Good stuff, Marx and his bro Fred deliver some dankest shit as usual.

[Anonymous No.5984117]

glorious

[Anonymous No.5984121]

>Marxism
Unfalsifiable and unworkable gibberish. Fuck off ti >>>/x/, OP.

[Anonymous No.5984135]

Ooh Marxism, so edgy. How's middle school going?

[Anonymous No.5984166]

>>5984135
Yeah when I think of "stuff middle schoolers who want to piss off their parents read" I think of books by American Marxist historians on the American Revolution written 70 years ago.

I guess anyone who picks up a book by Eric Hobsbawm or Christopher Hill wants to RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE too?

>>5984121
>Unfalsifiable
Nope, see: clogic.eserver.org/2007/Verikukis.pdf

[Anonymous No.5984941]

Here's a general history of Europe (with some commentary on the Americas) from 1640-1870 BTW: https://archive.org/details/ModernHistory16401870

[Anonymous No.5985033]

>>5982127
quality post OP

[Anonymous No.5985051]

>>5984166
>using reason with poptards

[Anonymous No.5985737]

There's a 500-page history of the USA since WWI (published by the Soviets in English in 1976) that's en route in the mail as well. I'll scan it when I get it.

[Anonymous No.5985771]

>>5985737
use a name next time so i can search you on warosu

i don't want to miss these threads

[Anonymous No.5985863]

>>5985771
Just bookmark this: https://archive.org/search.php?query=uploader%3A%22kocotosi%40gmail.com%22&sort=-publicdate

[Anonymous No.5985877]

>thread on Marxist analysis of the United States
>not citing the finest revolutionary thinker of our epoch, Comrade Bob Avakian.

[Anonymous No.5985903]

>>5985877

[Anonymous No.5987603]

There's a few other books I have on US history but International Publishers didn't give me permission to scan them so... yeah. One is a history of the US working-class (originally written in 1927), another is about the colonial era by Herbert Aptheker, etc.

[Anonymous No.5988794]

Bump.

[Anonymous No.5988803]

Nation wrecker works on US history, awesome.

Wish it was legal to hunt down and kill communists again.

[Anonymous No.5988831]

>socialists

>witness the ever madder howling of the libertarian dogs who are baring their fangs more and more obviously and roam through the alleys of western culture. They seem opposites of the peacefully industrious democrats and ideologists of redistribution, and even more so of the doltish philosophasters and brotherhood enthusiasts who call themselves socialists and want a “free society;” ..and even of the anti-Semitic screamers... but in fact they are at one with the lot in their thorough and instinctive hostility to every other form of society except that of the autonomous herd (even to the point of repudiating the very concepts of “master” and “servant”—ni dieu ni maître runs a socialist formula). They are at one in their tough resistance to every special claim, every special right and privilege (which means in the last analysis, every right: for once all are equal nobody needs “rights” any more). They are at one in their mistrust of punitive justice (as if it were a violation of those who are weaker, a wrong against the necessary consequence of all previous society). But they are also at one in the religion of pity, in feeling with all who feel, live, and suffer (down to the animal, up to “God”—the excess of a “pity with God” belongs in a democratic age). They are at one, the lot of them, in the cry and the impatience of pity, in their deadly hatred of suffering generally, in their almost feminine inability to remain spectators, to let someone suffer. They are at one in their involuntary plunge into gloom and unmanly tenderness under whose spell the west seems threatened by a new Buddhism. They are at one in their faith in the morality of shared pity, as if that were morality in itself, being the height, the attained height of man, the sole hope of the future, the consolation of present man, the great absolution from all former guilt. They are at one, the lot of them, in their faith in the community as the savior, in short, in the herd, in “themselves”—

[Anonymous No.5988874]

>>5988831
>tfw you notice the unintended christian parallels within marxism.

[Anonymous No.5989501]

>>5988803
>Nation wrecker works on US history, awesome.
Yeah when I think of people who ruined nations I think of Lenin and Stalin lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.

>>5988874
"There are only two sorts of people in life you can trust — good Christians and good Communists." - Joe Slovo, leader of the South African Communist Party.

[Anonymous No.5989528]

>>5989501
>Yeah when I think of people who ruined nations I think of Lenin and Stalin lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.
#burn

[Anonymous No.5989540]

>There are still people who worship Stalin
Back to the 20th century you go

[Anonymous No.5989560]

Marxism will come eventually, its inevitable.

[Anonymous No.5989568]

>>5989540
>There are still people who DON'T worship Stalin

[Anonymous No.5989578]

>>5989568
kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.5989595]

>>5989578
My idol didn't do that, yours might have though.

[Anonymous No.5989601]

For once OP is kind of based.

>>5984135
>crcredi cancerati
Captcha confirms what you really are.

[Anonymous No.5989606]

>>5989595
Your idol was kind of big on killing people, if I recall correctly. Maybe if you knew people whose families suffered behind the iron curtain, you would be less prone to these autistic posts.

[Anonymous No.5989612]

>>5989540
>2015
>Anti-Stalinist

Lol oh wow

[Anonymous No.5989625]

>>5989620
Go kill yourself autist.

[Anonymous No.5989626]

>>5989606
Stalin was kind of big on class struggle, as are all Marxists (and as are all capitalists, even if they're loathe to admit it.) Considering that practically every Eastern European country has nostalgia for the olden days, I'm pretty sure I don't need to talk to the descendants of a large landowner or fascist collaborator to get a taste of what life was life for the vast majority behind the "Iron Curtain."

[Anonymous No.5989628]

>>5989540

[Anonymous No.5989631]

>>5989625
I don't think you know what that word means.

[Anonymous No.5989656]

>>5989626
You should, you might learn something, specifically, how communism damages the people it is supposed to be saving. Not that I think you are open to evidence. Eastern Europe is still facing the consequences of communism in action.

>>5989631
>posts marxist memes
>not autistic
sure thing buddy

[Anonymous No.5989662]

Marxist Slavaboos are just as bad as Stormfronters.

[Anonymous No.5989678]

Since we are talking about Marx, is it true that he wrote those edgy poems about Satan and destroying the world?
I tried to research but all the sources are biased

[Anonymous No.5989681]

>>5989656
Let me guess, you "lived under communism", right?

[Anonymous No.5989684]

>>5989662
>Marxist Slavaboos
Enver Hoxha was not a Slav.

>Eastern Europe is still facing the consequences of communism in action.
Yeah when Poland decollectivized 80% of its countryside in the late 50s, and when it Hungary, Yugoslavia and Romania joined the IMF and accrued billions in debt to Western banks and countries, no doubt that it was "socialism" and not capitalism which was at fault.

And yet as shitty as all these "socialist" measures were, there is still the fact that many people in those countries feel nostalgia for the 60s and 70s.

>sure thing buddy
What "memes" am I posting? I'm posting photos and paintings. I'm not posting stuff with text on it like this otherwise no doubt manly man over here: >>5989628

[Anonymous No.5989686]

>>5989678
What. Where'd you hear this?

[Anonymous No.5989688]

>>5989681
Let me guess, you "are a college kid who's never worked in his life", right?

[Anonymous No.5989693]

>>5989678
Yeah I'm pretty sure he did write rebellious teenage poetry. Then he grew up and stopped writing rebellious teenage poetry. It has a negligible impact on his economic, historical or philosophical writings.

[Anonymous No.5989694]

>>5989681
Nope, however I am aware what communism achieved, pain and suffering and regression.

[Anonymous No.5989699]

what to read after communist manifesto (pls no Das Kapital)?

[Anonymous No.5989702]

>>5989699
Wealth of nations

[Anonymous No.5989710]

>>5989699
* https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1ZP6ZurgOg-TWtZdkRzTklOMWs/edit (Selected Works of Marx and Engels, Vol. I)
* https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1ZP6ZurgOg-MklCRlkyYl9BY2s/edit (ditto, Vol. II)
* https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1ZP6ZurgOg-ME9ySGpZTjFObjQ/edit (Selected Correspondence of Marx and Engels)

Have fun.

[Anonymous No.5989712]

>>5989686
Search for "Oulanem"

[Anonymous No.5989718]

>>5989688
I both went to college and am employed, so, no. Does that you you're admitting you have no idea what East Europeans think?

[Anonymous No.5989721]

>>5989718
It's pretty obvious how Eastern Europeans think about communism. Apart from Russia, they all completely despise it. There's a reason why Poland and Ukraine are as pro-American as they are.

[Anonymous No.5989723]

>>5989699
>Too dumb and scared to read Capital

[Anonymous No.5989724]

>>5989702
Ironically it's a good idea to read The Wealth of Nations as one of those things to get you into the best possible background to reading Capital, because Marx expanded upon the analyses of Smith, Ricardo, and other figures of English political economy. The capitalists, meanwhile, moved away from them (e.g. dumping the labor theory of value which formed an important part of Smith's work.)

[Anonymous No.5989726]

Why do people still criticise molotov-ribbentrop? do they genuinely think the UK and France wouldn't have made peace with Hitler had he invaded the soviet union first

[Anonymous No.5989733]

>>5989694
You're not aware of anything except Hollywood history.

[Anonymous No.5989738]

>>5989726
There's a good book about that BTW, "In Our Time: The Chamberlain-Hitler Collusion" by Clement Leibovitz (about how the British were trying their best to get Hitler to march eastwards against the USSR.) Another good book (although written decade earlier) is "The Munich Conspiracy" by Andrew Rothstein.

>>>5989721
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/homesick-for-a-dictatorship-majority-of-eastern-germans-feel-life-better-under-communism-a-634122.html

[Anonymous No.5989744]

wot next
this is the short list form marxists.org

[Anonymous No.5989750]

>>5989738
Yep, probably because the GDR wasn't raped or made the victim of genocide, and had been actually industrialized prior to WWII. Time to look a bit harder in your Soviet Propaganda folder.

[Anonymous No.5989751]

>>5989744
As I said:
>>5989710

But yeah if you don't want to do that for some reason then I guess read "Socialism: Utopian and Scientific" and then "Critique of the Gotha Programme." Both do a good job explaining what differentiates Marxism from other ideologies as well as discussing a number of practical matters.

[Anonymous No.5989755]

>>5989750
Presumably then they either don't count as East Europeans or not all the countries in Eastern Europe "completely despise it."

But sure, let's try again: http://www.balkanalysis.com/romania/2011/12/27/in-romania-opinion-polls-show-nostalgia-for-communism/

[Anonymous No.5989758]

>>5989750
>probably because the GDR wasn't raped

But i thought soviet troops raped nine bajilion women in germany?

[Anonymous No.5989769]

>>5989721
>It's pretty obvious how Eastern Europeans think about communism.
Even liberal news could tell you you're wrong.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/11/08/us-communism-nostalgia-idUSTRE5A701320091108
You have 100% no idea what you're talking about. Stick to your American Exceptionalism, running dog.
>Ukraine, the country experiencing another civil war after literal Nazis collaborated with NATO and took over the country and the freedom fighters are evoking the Red mass line
lol this guy

[Anonymous No.5989779]

>>5989750
>nothing but emotional propaganda claims
>is given actual evidence to the contrary
>"Y-Y-YOU'RE JUST B-BRAINWASHED"

This is your brain on capitalist cultural hegemony.

[Anonymous No.5989784]

>>5989755
Also: "A 1989 survey in Czechoslovakia found that 47 percent wanted their economy to remain state controlled, while 43 percent wanted a mixed economy, and only 3 percent said they favored capitalism (New York Times, 12/1/89)." (Michael Parenti, Blackshirts and Reds, p. 13.)

This was the case in the GDR and other countries as well. What people wanted was some miracle cure, a "best of both worlds," the idealized consumer society of capitalism with the safety net and social cohesiveness achievable under socialism.

[Anonymous No.5989789]

Aye, looks like another thread has been hijacked by 18 year old Americans with woodies for Stalin. RIP /lit/.

[Anonymous No.5989790]

>>5989750
Why do the anti-commies always, always go for the "muh dead" argument when capitalism very clearly has the biggest death toll of all political ideologies ever.

[Anonymous No.5989793]

>>5989789
>has been hijacked by...
I literally made the thread.

[Anonymous No.5989795]

>>5989790
So tell me about the time a capitalist state killed 20 million of its own people

[Anonymous No.5989800]

>>5989789
Aye, looks like another /pol/io is buttflustered that he can't defend his opinions and is samefagging to save himself.

[Anonymous No.5989805]

>>5989800
>le everyone who disagrees with me is from /pol/ meme
The autism is real

[Anonymous No.5989806]

>All these pics of Russians
>Stuck in the 19th century of nostalgia worshipping failed states and leaders
Oh Left! When will you move on?

[Anonymous No.5989812]

>>5989795
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Victorian_Holocausts

[Anonymous No.5989818]

>>5989795
Well leaving aside the fact that the Stalin-era death toll is well under 20 million, one could point to the fact that colonialism brought plenty of death and destruction (most obviously the Congo Free State), the widespread decimation caused by the transatlantic slave trade (which played a major role in early capitalist development before becoming an impediment to large-scale industry and the like), the backing of murderous anti-communist regimes in Indonesia and across Central and South America (who have been accused of genocide in their quest to rid their lands of the "red menace"), etc.

Of course when you're dealing with a gigantic country known as the USSR, it's a lot easier to bring out impressive numbers of dead compared to, say, the murder of trade unionists and peasants in El Salvador, leaving aside the fact that why people died in the USSR and why they died in El Salvador were on totally different bases.

Also if anyone actually wants that Parenti book I quoted here: >>5989784
Here's the link: http://bookzz.org/book/981420/378c5d

[Anonymous No.5989820]

>>5989812
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Victorian_Holocausts

[Anonymous No.5989824]

>>5989795
Are you a moron? Do you know nothing of US history? British? Are you one of these "holohoax" types?

[Anonymous No.5989830]

All these American college student "marxists" desperate to curry favour with liberals by attacking any actually successful leftist political project

[Anonymous No.5989835]

>>5989812
>>5989824

Yeah, big deal, a bunch of savages died because they were too retarded to adapt to civilization. Colonialism wasn't at all necessary to creating capitalism though. Germany held not a single colony until the 20th century and yet by 1900 it was fastly becoming the most industrialized nation on earth.

[Anonymous No.5989836]

>>5989795
>he thinks any socialist state actually killed 20 million of its own people
>b-b-but the potato famine, the dust bowl, those are accidents-- only commies control weather and crops!!!

[Anonymous No.5989839]

>>5989818
>under 20 million
yeah lol it was 18 million ok guys!

>michael parenti
>relevant

[Anonymous No.5989843]

>>5989835
>Yeah, big deal, a bunch of savages
They always reveal themselves under the pressure of facts they don't want to understand.

[Anonymous No.5989845]

>>5989835
>a bunch of savages died
The death of a single kulak is a tragedy, a million "savage" deaths is a statistic.

And colonialism was most definitely a gigantic boon to the development of English and French capitalism.

[Anonymous No.5989852]

>>5989836
>the dust bowl
>anywhere comparable to Holdomor
Are you trolling me?

[Anonymous No.5989854]

>>5989839
So is Parenti wrong about what he says? If so, why?

[Anonymous No.5989856]

>>5989843
In other words you can't prove me wrong

>>5989845
So then explain to me how Germany superseded both of them without having any colonies

[Anonymous No.5989858]

>>5989852
>being illiterate
>you
I know you are genuine.

[Anonymous No.5989860]

>>5989852
There was no such thing as a "Holodomor." There was a famine, but calling it in any way intentional is a gross distortion of the facts.

See:
* http://h-net.msu.edu/cgi-bin/logbrowse.pl?trx=vx&list=h-russia&month=0205&week=a&msg=G9gRj0I/eXnblGCPQyYXlA&user=&pw
* http://rationalrevolution.net/special/library/famine.htm
* http://bookzz.org/book/1159294/b3f33f

[Anonymous No.5989862]

>>5989606
>Your idol was kind of big on killing people

Yep, when it came to killing fascists there was no one better.

[Anonymous No.5989866]

>>5989852
where did you find this drawing of me

[Anonymous No.5989880]

>>5989866
whats it like being a teenage girl

[Anonymous No.5989881]

>>5989843
Marxists always have a soft spot for savages and animals, they see much of themselves in them.

[Anonymous No.5989882]

>>5989852
>hasn't read Tauger

[Anonymous No.5989883]

>>5989856
>So then explain to me how Germany superseded both of them without having any colonies
I don't see how this is relevant (unless you're arguing that England and France weren't capitalist), but I'm pretty sure German access to iron ore and other important resources in Europe itself (which it obtained in successful wars against other countries) played a big role, as did the statist policies pursued by the junkers. And yet in the end Germany was compelled to seek out international markets just as the British and French were, and it carried out genocidal policies against the Herero and Namaqua in Namibia, etc.

And, of course, the inter-imperialist First World War was the end result of all these efforts to divide the world amongst capitalist powers. The hunger for colonies was one of the things Germany sought to satiate through the conflict.

[Anonymous No.5989890]

>>5989862
>tfw USA contributed more to the downfall of the Nazis than the incompetent USSR.

Stalin paved the way to Berlin with the corpses of his own nation.

[Anonymous No.5989896]

>>5989890
>tfw USA contributed more to the downfall of the Nazis than the incompetent USSR.
No, it didn't. American and British officials at the time made clear that the Soviets played the main role in the downfall of Nazism. It was they who not only stopped the biggest military offensive in history, but carried out a successful counter-offensive right into the capitol of the enemy.

[Anonymous No.5989908]

>>5989890
This is the most ridicules thing I've ever seen on this board.

[Anonymous No.5989915]

>you will never live in an alternate reality where the West conquered Russia and stopped communism while it was ahead
just think of how much better the world would be

[Anonymous No.5989922]

>>5982127
are you ismail of eregime fame?

[Anonymous No.5989929]

>>5989922
Yes.

http://z13.invisionfree.com/eRegime/index.php?act=idx

For the record any other books I scan will be noted in this thread: http://z13.invisionfree.com/eRegime/index.php?showtopic=4725 (gotta register to see it, but yeah)

Alternatively as I said earlier you can just look here: >>5985863

[Anonymous No.5989939]

>>5989908
>historical revisionist detected

[Anonymous No.5989962]

>>5989896
Yes the soviets played a role, but that role is not as large as you make it out to be. American industrial might played a much larger role in victory.

[Anonymous No.5989968]

Since 4chan thinks my post is spam I'll just have to post it in picture form

>>5989845
It's ironic you posted that picture considering the Orthodox church was heavily persecuted and Stalin himself was an Atheist.

[Anonymous No.5989997]

>>5989795
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_interventions_of_the_United_States

[Anonymous No.5989999]

>>5989968
>It's ironic you posted that picture considering the Orthodox church was heavily persecuted and Stalin himself was an Atheist.
I know Stalin himself was an atheist. But freedom of religion did exist in the USSR, for Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists (who inhabited the eastern regions), etc. There was an especially obvious revival of religious practice in the 1940s, when the policy of the Orthodox Church hierarchy was no longer hostile.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.5990000]

>>5989908
Russia turned the tide. If the Nazis weren't so invested in the east, US/UK forces would have had a much harder time breaking in.

[Anonymous No.5990004]

>>5989939
Yes, you. US presence in the European theater was negligible and, of course, late, which is one half of the reason why they took over the world economy right after (the other being no loss of land and industry). The people of the USSR and China were the heroes of the WWII.

[Anonymous No.5990012]

>>5989968
>It's ironic you posted that picture considering the Orthodox church was heavily persecuted and Stalin himself was an Atheist.
>Separating the Church from political power and teaching children facts in school is "persecution"

[Anonymous No.5990037]

>>5989997
>kid discovers wars that killed people, more at 11

[Anonymous No.5990044]

>>5990037
>wars
>not a whole country dedicated to promote the ideology of greed

[Anonymous No.5990049]

>>5990044
I remember being in high school

[Anonymous No.5990055]

>>5990049
too bad you only stopped educating yourself at HS

[Anonymous No.5990071]

>>5990049
You should think about getting a GED.

[Anonymous No.5990458]

>>5989699
>>5989723

>read the communist manifesto
>understand like 60% of what it says
>read antology of the capital
>understand everything

How

[Anonymous No.5990512]

>>5990458
Capital (and the Grundrisse) are basically "this is how capitalism works" in exquisite detail. The Communist Manifesto is a political tract.

[Anonymous No.5990691]

watching tankie/M-L Stalinist wackos and avowed anti-communists not realize they are both fucking reactionaries is pretty tough

[Anonymous No.5992547]

>>5990691
Yeah the only true revolutionaries are those who stab actual revolutionary processes in the back (Makhnovists, Trotskyists, POUMists, Khrushchevites, Eurocommunists...)