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Inherent Vice Anonymous Sat, Jan 10, 2015 15:48:02 No.5977567 [Reply] [Original]

I bet you guys are tired of threads like these, but here's another.

I haven't analyzed books since high school (9 years ago) and I just finished reading this.

What I basically got is that it's a noir set in the late 60's and because of the nature of the 60's, the book is told from a stoner perspective/vibe that kind of doesn't make sense/falls on its ass.

The late 60's didn't make much sense and people were clinging on to the end of a dying era where they pursued pleasure and their own vices.

Did I do good, /lit/?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 10, 2015 15:51:27 No.5977585 >The late 60's didn't make much sense Thats the jist of pretty much every Pynchon novel

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 10, 2015 15:53:28 No.5977596 >>5977585 This one's my first as you may be able to tell. Did I miss any major themes in IV or did I get the main gist?

Anonymous Sat, Jan 10, 2015 16:05:32 No.5977637

>>5977596
is the golden fang really real? or just some small time loan shark with enough connections to scare a hippy like doc into thinking he's part of "the system"

was there really a conspiracy to end 60s idealism? or was their scattershot ambition and inability to change anything their actual downfall? was it their, inherent vice

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 10, 2015 16:26:12 No.5977730 It's also about finding a place between being The Man and being a total hippie. It's bad for both Doc and Bigfoot and, on a larger level, everyone in the book.

Anonymous Sat, Jan 10, 2015 16:31:31 No.5977749

>>5977567
>>5977637

I think another one of the themes is the affect of higher, hidden powers on individuals. The paranoid vibe playing into that. But the Golden Fang was a vast, nebulous entity that clearly affected Doc, but he couldnt really do a thing to it.

Anonymous Sat, Jan 10, 2015 19:35:41 No.5978416 [SPOILER]

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>>5977749
>the Golden Fang was a vast, nebulous entity that clearly affected Doc, but he couldnt really do a thing to it.

Except kill their head enforcer, use heroin as bait to identify its owners, have the boat apprehended and the organization presumably disbanded

but yeah, otherwise he's completely useless against them

Anonymous Sat, Jan 10, 2015 21:13:07 No.5978757
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>>5977637
>is the golden fang really real? or just some small time loan shark with enough connections to scare a hippy like doc into thinking he's part of "the system

I took it more like "the system" used drugs cheap and easy to obtain drugs to destroy the counterculture of the 60's turn them into zombies

And I had the feeling that Pynchon was as paranoid of the counterculture as the mainstream culture

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 11, 2015 08:40:58 No.5980888 >>5978757 Is that one of those guys from Red Letter Media?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 11, 2015 11:56:04 No.5981440 >>5980888 Yeah it is , Jay /tv/ is gay for him

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 11, 2015 11:59:27 No.5981447 >>5981440 Yeah, there's a thread right now.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 11, 2015 12:03:30 No.5981456 File: 15 KB, 300x300, 2dd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw qt hipster chick asked me to see this with her Jesus Christ, it's like some trite /tv/ bait grew legs and walked into my life.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 11, 2015 12:06:01 No.5981462 >>5978757 >And I had the feeling that Pynchon was as paranoid of the counterculture as the mainstream culture I haven't read this book in particular, but yeah that sounds like Pynchon.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 11, 2015 12:12:58 No.5981486 >>5981462 Pynchon understands that culture really isn't your friend, regardless of what it is.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 11, 2015 13:52:05 No.5981781 >>5977637 The Golden Fang was a vertically integrated drug consortium where the LAPD, the rich, and Dentists all made a profit off of the destruction and appropriation of the hippie culture.

Anonymous Sun, Jan 11, 2015 13:57:48 No.5981807

>>5977567
More the falling on its ass than the not making sense.
It's about this wonderful hippie dream that is simultaneously intuitive and a threat to national security (Micky Wolfmann), and because it's so naive the hippies are easy to take advantage of (Coy Harlingen). And it turns out that the only way to get to the bottom of this whole movement falling on its ass is to have a detective that is falling on his ass to piece it all together and with the aid of spiritualism and technology side-by-side. But that piecing together doesn't seem to happen, and if it does, it doesn't mean anything but there's big bad forces in the world that we can do nothing about.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 11, 2015 19:30:05 No.5983454 >>5981456 well go then but she might be a succubus

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