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[Anonymous No.5971278]

Could post-modernism cure religious extremism?

Are fanatics just too sincere and lacking in irony?

Can po-mo save the world?

[Anonymous No.5971280]

Honestly...yes.

[Anonymous No.5971283]

>postmodernism is just irony

dropped

[Anonymous No.5971293]

>>5971283
>he said the word irony so that means he said pomo is nothing more than merely irony

downvoted

[Anonymous No.5971311]

>>5971293
>projecting

[Anonymous No.5971321]

Could someone please tell me what post-modernism is?

I don't understand the quote in the OP.

[Anonymous No.5971330]

>>5971311
downvoted
lel

[Anonymous No.5971340]

>>5971330
>ad hominem

[Anonymous No.5971355]

>>5971321

>I don't understand the quote

That is postmodernism.

It's a bunch of academics using intentionally obfuscating and vague strings of text that convey no real meaning but SEEM deep and complex.

[Anonymous No.5971361]

>>5971355
>It's a bunch of academics using intentionally obfuscating and vague strings of text that convey no real meaning but SEEM deep and complex.

pasta

[Anonymous No.5971396]

>>5971321
Seconding this, I have a pretty big backlog and some things by Lyotard and po-mo are on there but a simplified version of OP would be useful

[Anonymous No.5971399]

[Anonymous No.5971401]

>>5971278
the reverse is true. pomo is a destructive force it cannot unite

[Anonymous No.5971432]

>>5971401
That's why it would work, silly. Leave them all in a hyperreferential puddle of Nihil Reich.

[Anonymous No.5971435]

>>5971278
> Implying Post-Modernism isn't just as bad as Religion.

[Anonymous No.5971444]

>tfw you will never be a modernist

Modernism was beautiful, postmodernism is just silly.

[Anonymous No.5971449]

>>5971340
to the downvote it le goes

[Anonymous No.5971472]

>>5971278
god OP, I'm sick and tired of irony, you can do 'wierd' things sincerely you know.

[Anonymous No.5971610]

le special snowflake

[Anonymous No.5971628]

>>5971278

You're talking about modernism. Modernism seeks to arrive at a truth by encompassing its opposites and associates. Postmodernism attempts to dissolve opposites into associates and then attempts to demonstrate that the principle is just a complex of associates as well. There's no such thing as being "too" anything inside of a postmodern framework. You're in a cold system of unorganized relations. The obvious reaction to this is actually fundamentalism, a return to passion as the guide, to faith in the Kierkeegardian sense.

What we need is modernism.

[Anonymous No.5971660]

why not

[Anonymous No.5971870]

Could Analytic philosophy cure Continental extremism?

Are fanatics just too sincere and lacking in logical rigour?

Can Analytics save the world?

[Anonymous No.5971924]

>>5971361

He's right.

"...better produce <i>the feeling</i> that there is something unpresentable."

It's smoke and mirrors. Just like all fiction. That's why it's called fiction. There's no truth in art, no worthy meanings to convey, but we've kind of psyched ourselves out into thinking we can hold onto it, temporarily. PM is just more naked about the process, and I think, comes across as more authentic because of it. That's all we're after, a feeling of authenticity. If you're gonna tell me that Hemmingway, or whatever modern literary giant you like, changed your life... you're full of shit. We're reading to fill our lives with meaningless bullshit before we die, just like everyone else. There's no space ship to enlightenment. How fucking easy would life be if that were true? You just see things a certain way, purely through mental exercise, and, bam, ubermensch. It's all just the thrashing of decaying intellectual limbs into a cold, uncaring universe.

Unfortunately PM has a lot of pretenders. A lot of authors who just can't write. I still don't think we've seen a good PM novel yet. It's a new movement, one esoteric enough to need some time to produce something good. Pynchon and DFW are weak writers that don't deserve to be remembered.

[Anonymous No.5971927]

>>5971870
Analytic philosophy is the true successor to the Greeks, who valued science and mathematics above feelings and pseudo-intellectual posturing. Continentals are the successors to the Christians.

[Anonymous No.5971933]

>>5971278
It's been tried. Robert Anton Wilson designed discordianism to that effect, it didn't really take.

[Anonymous No.5972621]

>>5971927
So Continentals are the defenders of dignity and values while the Analytics are nihilist scum that seek to bring down tradition and create a vacuum, making society weak to invasive foreign ideology?

[Anonymous No.5972640]

>>5971278
Nah, only modernists can even receive pomo critique, and religious extremists never were modernists to begin with.

[Anonymous No.5972645]

>>5971321
Seems to be saying that it's impossible to represent things as they are through art, so they attempt to represent that things are impossible to represent as they are.

[Anonymous No.5972693]

>>5971278
Post modernism has given rise shit art

[Anonymous No.5972724]

I think it was such a good art performance in Paris recently. These muslims like conceptual art.

[Anonymous No.5972748]

>>5971924

You are confusing relativism and avant garde with po mo i.e. you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

At least read something about post-modernism that isn't Wikipedia. Like "Postmodernism or, The Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism" by Jameson, who even though he despises post-modernism as movement recognizes that post-modern form has specific characteristics,form and structure.

[Anonymous No.5972756]

>>5971870

People talk about the slowing-down of Continental thought when in fact the Analytics have not produced anything profound philosophically since Wittgenstein.

Because Analytic philosophy can tell nothing about the world in terms society and it's metaphysical foundations it turns into epistemology and logic so that it can abstract society through science.

The epistemological break the Analytics have ultimately produced has become useless not only in the social and human sciences, but also is bereft of any originality or original claim.

To answer you question, we are not "extreme" enough, unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.5972981]

>>5971340

more like ad homo since that guy is clearly a faggot amirite

[Anonymous No.5973069]

>>5971355
>>5971924
Postmodernism is the rejection of all grand naratives, uneducated retards.

inb4 THAT'S SO OBSCURE OMG CHARLATIN
Google "grand narrative", I don't want to remain responsible for your uncultured STEM neckbeard

[Anonymous No.5973075]

>>5971321
Anti-Enlightenment

[Anonymous No.5973223]

>>5973069
Isn't the rejection of grand narratives in itself a narrative?

OMG we're all like so enlightened now, we understand that narratives are false constructs, unlike those poor ignorant people living in the classical and modern eras!