/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.5969898]

>guy draws pictures that are offensive, evil, and never to be drawn in specific and highly violent religion
>guy gets killed by members of highly violent religion for drawing pictures
>everybody defends the man
the pictures don't even have anything halfway intelligent or interesting to say

[Anonymous No.5969914]

What's worse is that these idiots wanted to ban the FN, so their purported support of free speech was selective anyway. I'm glad they're dead; maybe now some left-wing idiots will open their eyes to the nature of the threat.

[Anonymous No.5969915]

>>guy gets killed by members of highly violent religion for drawing pictures
>guy gets killed
>for drawing pictures

This being the most vital part

[Tallis !!y+12CeFwYOo No.5969920]

>>5969898
>guy
>killed
>for drawing pictures

What if a leftist free-speech activist killed you and your friends for making that post?

[Anonymous No.5969923]

>>5969915
Why draw these pointlessly offensive pictures that will not open any eyes, point out any flaws, or do anything except be dangerous and edgy?

Stop your 'boohoo guy got killed 4 drawing :(' whining and realize that he was asking for it and not even saying anything worth saying.

[Anonymous No.5969929]

>>5969898
>the pictures don't even have anything halfway intelligent or interesting to say

Aww, babby thinks intelligence (= academic approval) can be used as a justification on its own.

[Anonymous No.5969930]

>only racist and offensive when it satires Islam
>disregard everything else they openly mocked

[Tallis !!y+12CeFwYOo No.5969932]

>>5969923
Cowardly-ass bitch. You should have been in that office with them.

You bend the neck, you weak sickly bitch, and you deserve to have it cut by these subhuman retarded-ass dark-age monkeys.

[Anonymous No.5969933]

>>5969914
Don't worry, the people who want to ban the FN are the same people who want to ban racial imagery. Also known as modern UK cuckolds.

[Anonymous No.5969936]

>>5969898
>the pictures don't even have anything halfway intelligent or interesting to say

You act as if this isn't reason enough to think the killing was retarded

[Anonymous No.5969940]

>>5969932
sorry

[Anonymous No.5969941]

>>5969923
>being this silly

[Anonymous No.5969942]

>>5969923
>asking for it

ok i get it your a troll.

[Anonymous No.5969946]

this is like when i was a kid, my sister would just continuously annoy the shit out of me on purpose until i got mad and hit her and then she'd run crying to mom and mom would be all 'anon you terrorist little shitbag, don't jihad your sister'
like what the fuck did she think was going to happen? she was literally entirely focused on trying to aggravate

[Anonymous No.5969953]

lit is the worst at detecting obvious b8

[Anonymous No.5969962]

>>5969946
ARE YOU REALLY COMPARED GETTING KILLED OVER A FUCKING DRAWING TO YOUR SISTER BUGGING YOU? FOR FUCKS SAKE, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, ARE YOU REALLY SUCH A FUCKHEAD THAT YOU THINK KILLING PEOPLE OVER DRAWINGS IS OKAY?

[Anonymous No.5969963]

>>5969946
Solid analogy there bro : /

[Anonymous No.5969964]

MODS WAKE UP

[Anonymous No.5969968]

as a satirist your main goal in life is to piss someone off so much that they kill you so I say good job all around tbh

[Anonymous No.5969970]

>>5969962
no, i'm comparing drawing pictures to my sister bugging me
i'm comparing me hitting my sister to the cartoonists getting killed

[Tallis !!y+12CeFwYOo No.5969971]

>>5969946
banter/10

[Anonymous No.5969981]

>>5969946
what else would your sister do to you

[Anonymous No.5969994]

>>5969970
So you want to live in a society where it's okay to kill people for making drawings you don't like? It's okay right? Because they were provoked.

[Anonymous No.5970007]

>>5969964

[Anonymous No.5970017]

>all these liberal SJW cucks with their 'muh feelings' getting all indignant

There is literally nothing wrong with murder, tumblrinas

[Anonymous No.5970030]

>>5969898
>several people get murdered because someone drew a few pictures with harmless content.
>naw dog, lets defend the killer.

[Anonymous No.5970039]

>>5970017
There is literally nothing wrong with going on tumblr of being a liberal.

[Anonymous No.5970042]

>>5970030
>harmless content
>defying the Word of Allah

pick one, infidel

[Anonymous No.5970049]

>>5970039
SHUT YOUR DAMN MOUTH. THAT FUCKING MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL

[Anonymous No.5970057]

/ilt/ is too easy to troll

[Anonymous No.5970059]

What annoys me is how, after every Muslim extremist effort, their places of worship and their people become violently preyed on in revenge attacks. Every single time. And thus the spiral of distrust and hatred continues.
Is there really no one at the top of their agenda thinking of some other way to go about this? Why is it every practitioner of religion seems to miss the peace and tolerance.

[Anonymous No.5970067]

>>5970059
>Why is it every practitioner of religion seems to miss the peace and tolerance

peace and tolerance lmao. Liberal values, not religious values. Now fuck off cuck

[Anonymous No.5970081]

>>5970067
2/10

Now you are just making it obvious.

[Anonymous No.5970085]

holy shit, some religious people killed some other people simply because of the doctrines of their organized religion! stop the fucking presses, this has NEVER happened before!

[Anonymous No.5970092]

>>5969898
>drawing unintelligent pictures warrants a massacre

[Anonymous No.5970094]

>>5969898
>People should be allowed to kill people for offending them.

[Anonymous No.5970110]

>>5970059
I don't think that's the truth, I've personally never seen anyone treat Muslims with anything other than respect. The only hate they get is from chain mail christian grandmothers send each other. You just notice a lot more hate on the internet.

[Anonymous No.5970113]

>>5969968
this is true actually imho

[Anonymous No.5970114]

>>5970081
Read the Qu'ran.

>tolerance

lel

[Anonymous No.5970115]

>>5969923
>>5969898

Fuck off Mohammed.

Piss be upon him.

[Anonymous No.5970119]

>>5970094
I'm not OP, but you grossly misinterpret it.

He's not saying the assassins were allowed to kill. He's saying the cartoonist was asking for it. Two very different things.

A lot of the contention and ire on 4chan could be cleared up overnight if you guys would actually read the arguments and address them directly, rather than rephrasing it to something never stated.

[Anonymous No.5970120]

>>5969898
>wanting freedom of speech instead of freedom of thought

peasants

[Anonymous No.5970124]

>>5970085

It's actually not even the killing that surprises me or upsets me. It's the SJWs and self-hating whites who continue to tow the line despite the very obvious fact that Islam and western values are incompatible.

[Anonymous No.5970125]

>>5970059
Tolerance is solely a Christian and a humanist (which is also a Christian tradition) thing. Sand people don't share these values.

[Anonymous No.5970131]

>>5970119
>wearing a short skirt is asking for rape

muslim logic

[Anonymous No.5970143]

>>5970114
Its not about the actual religion, its about the culture that interprets it. Its not like religion is one large truth that never changes.

[Anonymous No.5970144]

>>5970110
Werent there revenge attacks in France after this happened?

[Anonymous No.5970147]

>>5970131
Everything that allows dick entrance without much effort is asking for rape.

[Anonymous No.5970148]

>>5970120
elaborate pls

[Anonymous No.5970151]

>>5970120
this

[Anonymous No.5970153]

>>5970143
Read the Qu'ran. It's the one and only truth, it's the one and only way, it's the Word

[Anonymous No.5970155]

>>5970147
brb buying ear warmers

[Anonymous No.5970160]

>>5970124
but Muslims that grew up in the west typically have more western values. Also what exactly is wrong with someone promoting social equality? There isn't any way to show something is more superior to something else.

[Anonymous No.5970161]

>>5970120

So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world). Qur’an:8:39

O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding. Qur’an:8:65

“Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:12

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"


>NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE LIKE THAT
>MUH RELIGION OF PEACE

[Anonymous No.5970162]

Holy shit, people actually have audacity to resort to muh freedom of speech when you can be put to prison for denying holocaust. I'm not trying to be an edgemaster here those faggots died for nothing and it was not even worth killing them, they are just scum from low class magazine, why bother?

[Anonymous No.5970168]

>>5970153
so you're like protestants meaning I can interpret it however I want ?

[Anonymous No.5970171]

>>5970161
>NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE LIKE THAT
They aren't though.

That's like saying all Christians are like the Westboro Baptist Church

[Anonymous No.5970173]

>>5970153
people have different concepts of the smallest things. You would have to have people universally on the same definitions as you for there to be only one way. But its changing constantly.

[Anonymous No.5970174]

>>5969898

>mfw libs end up killing themselves from culturally enriched suicide-by-cuckoldry

[Anonymous No.5970175]

>>5970160
>but Muslims that grew up in the west typically have more western values.

So we should let barbarians who are divinely commanded to kill us live among us, because some of them won't?

[Anonymous No.5970176]

>>5970173
this
think of book translations
they have to be renewed every couple of decades

[Anonymous No.5970178]

>>5970168
No. It's the literal word of Allah. No room for interpretation.

[Anonymous No.5970183]

>>5970174

That would feel great if they weren't taking the rest of us down with them.

[Anonymous No.5970190]

>>5970059
Because Muslims in France are on their second stage of Jihad, this is exactly what they want.

[Anonymous No.5970191]

>>5970175
yeah, like I said they aren't going to hold on to those old values forever. An arab that is culturally European is no different than a white people that is.

[Anonymous No.5970196]

>>5970171

Great, but many muslims ARE like that, and it will only get worse as the ratios of their populations grow.

[Anonymous No.5970200]

>>5970174
No liberals I've talked to shared the views of the OP. Pretty sure it's a bait thread (as many posts also indicate and say).

Are you sure you didn't start it?

[Anonymous No.5970206]

>>5970196
>many muslims ARE like that

Not 'many' in the West. Very few

[Anonymous No.5970207]

>>5970174
Id rather have a modern multicultural society than an old fashioned traditionalist one. There is nothing objectively better about wanting to preserve your race.

[Anonymous No.5970209]

>>5970196
Since when are random tweets from random people considered a good argument?

[Anonymous No.5970211]

>>5970196

Yeah, but you'd get responses like that from 4chan if someone like Anita Sarkeesian was killed.

Don't conflate stupid statements with actual acts of violence by trained al Queda members.

[Anonymous No.5970212]

>>5970161
I'm not even a faggy "liberal" kind of Muslim who tries to come to terms with the kuffar, but this is clearly put out of context. Revelations like this one came to Muhammad (s.a.w) in certain periods of time to tell him what to do in a particular situation.

[Anonymous No.5970218]

>>5970178
But this is how crazy jidahists justify their beheadings. I am cool with Islam, but only with Nasrallah or Iran.

[Anonymous No.5970220]

>>5970196
>my cherrypicked facebook muslims ARE like that

[Anonymous No.5970221]

>>5970207

>hurr durr im a retard

pinko pls

[Anonymous No.5970231]

>>5970207
I'm too stupid to understand your second sentence.

[Anonymous No.5970233]

/pol/ is leaking again.

I'm sure Muslims were having these same discussions during the crusades.

[Anonymous No.5970234]

>>5970218
>But this is how crazy jidahists justify their beheadings

They are justified

>crazy

To you

[Anonymous No.5970236]

>>5970233

Europeans don't act like they live in the middle ages anymore. Muslims do.

[Anonymous No.5970242]

>>5970233

>But no Ahmed you can't take the Bible literally, Christianity is a religion of peace and tolerance, never mind that the crusaders massacred everyone in Jerusalem!

[Anonymous No.5970245]

>>5970236
There are many European Muslims who do not live in the Middle Ages.

[Anonymous No.5970248]

>>5970236

George W. certainly did.

So does Israel.

[Anonymous No.5970249]

>>5970148
>freedom of speech
>I will insult those people who will kill me because of it it in the name of freedom of speech
>do it
>get killed

>freedom of thought
>I will insult those people who will kill me because of it in the name of freedom of speech
>wait I better not because I will get killed
>stay alive and go fuck some Thai whores

[Anonymous No.5970251]

>>5970231
/pol/tards tend to think there is some kind of god given superiority to the white race, but in really its just another group of people. They want to preserve themselves because they mistakenly believe there is some kind of universal goodness to it.

[Anonymous No.5970254]

>>5970233

Muslims don't have conversations about the ethics of their faith. The books calls them to spread Islam over the entirety of the earth and that's that. Whether it's by violence or by outbreeding is of no matter.

[Anonymous No.5970259]

>>5970234

In that case, the A10s strafing runs are also completely a-okay

[Anonymous No.5970260]

>>5970236
Muslims living in Europe are Europeans.

[Anonymous No.5970264]

>>5970212
Of course, and you don't even have to be a muslim to understand that any religious text carries a certain literary complexity and you can't just take it at face value.

>>5970249
I agree with you in practice, but this way doesn't solve the problem completely because you are still allowed your inner racist.

[Anonymous No.5970267]

>>5970251

>/pol/tards tend to think there is some kind of god given superiority to the white race, but in really its just another group of people.

You're taking the statements of radicals and ascribing them to the entire group - exactly what you are trying to accuse "Islamaphobes" of doing.
Moderate pollacks believe that every race has a right to its own self determination. Asia for asians, africa for africans, and europe for europeans. Do you honestly believe that that is so evil?

[Anonymous No.5970269]

>>5970254

So does Christianity:

>Pope Innocent III pronounced in 1201 that even if torture and intimidation had been employed in receiving the sacrament, one nevertheless:

> ...does receive the impress of Christianity and may be forced to observe the Christian Faith as one who expressed a conditional willingness though, absolutely speaking, he was unwilling. ... [For] the grace of Baptism had been received, and they had been anointed with the sacred oil, and had participated in the body of the Lord, they might properly be forced to hold to the faith which they had accepted perforce, lest the name of the Lord be blasphemed, and lest they hold in contempt and consider vile the faith they had joined.[6]

[Anonymous No.5970272]

>>5970259
depends on who wields the opinions. Peoples pacifistic ideas are exactly the same as the ones who want to kill, they are both just subjective opinions.

[Anonymous No.5970274]

>>5970260
No, they're not and never will be

[Anonymous No.5970278]

>>5970267
What about America? Who gets it? The Niggers?

[Anonymous No.5970279]

>>5970267
no, why would I believe in Evil. I thought we were the ones who set the rules and what evil is.

[Anonymous No.5970282]

>>5970269

What one pope said 1200 years after the invention of the faith is not comparable to the words written down in the fundamental sacred texts. Try again.

[Anonymous No.5970284]

>>5970125

> is solely a Christian and a humanist (which is also a Christian tradition) thing

>Muh ottoman empire!
>Muh Jews seeking refuge from intolerant christian europe!

[Anonymous No.5970287]

>>5970196
Majority of Muslims won't strap bombs to themselves and walk into public places, but majority of Muslims WILL endorse and further encourage these actions. That makes them radicalized and must be stopped.

[Anonymous No.5970294]

>>5970278

Fuck if I know.

>>5970279

Stop being pedantic. Do you honestly think it's "bad", "mean", "fascist", "racist", etc.?

[Anonymous No.5970295]

>>5970267
why does one group get any more rights than another? What did some people inherit when they were born that gives them more of a claim to some land than other people?

[Anonymous No.5970302]

>>5970287
>but majority of Muslims WILL endorse and further encourage these actions

[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.5970303]

>>5970295

>why does one group get any more rights than another?

Because its their land? You wouldn't go into Asia, Africa, or some M.E country and start calling them racist for not bowing down before you and flagellating themselves.

[Anonymous No.5970308]

>my speech doesn't carry consequences
>I can say whatever I want
>muh individuality

>white people

[Anonymous No.5970309]

>>5970260
Fucking lol

[Anonymous No.5970311]

>>5970131

It's more akin to trying to carry on your normal daily routine in a war zone

>Oh - better pop out and get some milk
>never mind all the mortars and snipers aiming for anything that moves
>Oh my god! I just just hit! This is so stupid!

Of course you don't deserve to be hit or killed but this is the reality of the situation - playing with a hornets nest.

This is hardly brave or inspiring either - this was no 'great defense of free speech' but ugliness on all sides.

[Anonymous No.5970313]

So any Western living in any Middle east country, for whatever reason, when feeling harmed by how they talk about christians and how the infidels are like dogs and should be killed!
That would justify any superior white killing some sandslimes?

[Anonymous No.5970317]

>>5970274
cool opinion. Does it actually mean anything than being an opinion though?

[Anonymous No.5970322]

>>5970308
if muslims don't like western standards, they are free to move to a country where behavior they don't endorse is prohibited

[Anonymous No.5970324]

>>5970233

What a cop out. Islam is centuries old. No one should have to put up with its teething issues NOW.

[Anonymous No.5970328]

>>5970313
Does it say that they should respond like that in their sacred texts?

[Anonymous No.5970334]

>>5970328

See >>5970161

[Anonymous No.5970336]

>>5970322
>they are free to move to a country where behavior they don't endorse is prohibited

Are you going to fund it?

[Anonymous No.5970340]

>>5970303
but why are we born with more claims to abstract lines in the ground than others?

[Anonymous No.5970343]

>>5970336
why would i fund that? if they can't afford it they are low iq poorfags and likely wouldn't be welcome back in their own country. thus they should accept their status as members of the beta caste and not make too much trouble.

[Anonymous No.5970347]

>>5970334
I mean the other way around. For the Muslims to call Westerners infidels or dogs does not go against Westeners 'sacred text'. If anything, they'd be for freedom of speech. So no, they wouldn't be justified in retaliating with violence.

[Anonymous No.5970349]

If Muslims can take Europe and defend themselves then good for the, they own Europe, its as simple as that. Only those that can defend property own it.

[Anonymous No.5970350]

>>5970328
Actually, it does.

[Anonymous No.5970353]

>>5970340

Why are you only moralizing on this point in regards to the self-determination of european nations?

Why won't you treat me like a prince and pay for my living expenses when I go to Asia or the Middle East and call them racist bigots?

[Anonymous No.5970356]

>>5970278
America was doomed to begin with. They chose multiculturalism right from the outset, so let them melt in chaos.

But Europe was not funded on these basis and it thrived on the contrary. Letting mass migrations into Europe which not only fail to assimilate but condone Western practices should not be welcomed.

[Anonymous No.5970358]

>>5970350
see >>5970347

[Anonymous No.5970360]

You only notice these things in the news, if you just ignored the things that aren't affecting you I doubt anyone of you would have a single problem with Muslims.

[Anonymous No.5970365]

>>5970356
But what are you going to do when you don't have enough Thai whores in your country?

[Anonymous No.5970368]

>>5970282

>"Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

>"Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. 7"If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him."…John 14:6

>“And I saw the heaven opened; and behold, a white horse, and he that sat thereon called Faithful and True; and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. And his eyes are a flame of fire, and upon his head are many diadems; and he hath a name written which no one knoweth but he himself. And he is arrayed in a garment sprinkled with blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which are in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and pure. And out of his mouth proceedeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of God, the Almighty. And he hath on his garment and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS (Rev. 19:11-16 – ASV).

[Anonymous No.5970373]

>>5970368

I see no call to violence.

[Anonymous No.5970375]

>>5970356
multiculturalism has only contributed to their economy. what negative things have they brought?

[Anonymous No.5970377]

>>5970308
>Move to a society which embraces democracy and freedom of speech with every fiber of its being
>Get offended by satirical humor
>Murder the satirists in the heart of a socialist democratic country for speaking their dumb, uneducated opinion
>Complain when French rally against Muslims

>Brown people

And the funny thing is that just a day before this, mass anti-demonstrations in Germany against PEGIDA took place, only to make them feel stupid for doing it.

[Anonymous No.5970381]

>>5970368
that's circular logic. Discredited.

[Anonymous No.5970382]

Nah, you're right. A guy totally deserved to do for drawing pictures.

[Anonymous No.5970389]

>>5970377
it has literally nothing to do with Islam, why do people keep bringing that up

[Anonymous No.5970395]

>>5970377
>Brown people

It's very, very few 'brown people' who endorse the murdering

[Anonymous No.5970396]

>>5970382

I actually was on the fence about muslims until I saw how so many of them were defending and justifying the killings over the past day,

Now I understand that their ideology is completely incompatible with the west. Free speech and Islam cannot exist in the same space, only one can possibly prevail.

[Anonymous No.5970397]

>>5970336
Somehow they were able to fund going over to Europe, why not the other way?
And somehow each family member somehow finds a way to travel to Mecca at least once in their life. If it's a family of twelve, that's twelve people that have to travel in the middle of bum-fuck nowhere just to sleep in sand and walk around a black box. I'm sure they can find a way to go somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.5970405]

>>5970373

So all the forced conversions in the middle-ages and in the New World came out of nowhere?

I don't think so. The bible asks for Christians to convert any non-believer.

Both religions have claims to absolute truth and yet you absolving Christianity and blaming Islam for defending their faith is astute hypocrisy when even the Quran distinguishes unlike Christianity, the people of the book from heathens:
>If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.[12]

>Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration.[13]

>And there are, certainly, among the People of the Book, those who believe in God, in the revelation to you, and in the revelation to them, bowing in humility to God. They will not sell the Signs of God for a miserable gain! For them is a reward with their Lord, and God is swift in account.[14]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_of_the_Book

[Anonymous No.5970408]

>>5970397
Why don't we just deny re-entry to anyone who comes from Mecca?

[Anonymous No.5970410]

>>5970382
well the radical were right in their eyes that the killing was justified and the rest were right in their eyes that the cartoons were OK.

Its just opinion vs opinion, neither has any more credibility or rightness to it.

[Anonymous No.5970412]

>>5970396
Free speech is overrated.

[Anonymous No.5970415]

>>5970375
Civil rights issues of epic proportions? Misunderstandings? SJWs? Unassimilated blacks in ghettos who waste welfare on drugs and weapons? The myth of white privilege?
And no one can fight against this shit, as there is no basis for white pride like there is in Europe.

[Anonymous No.5970416]

>>5970405

The central Islamic sacred text advises Muslims to kill non-muslims.

The central Christian sacred texts does not advise Christians to kill non-christians.

No amount of mental gymnastics is going to change this.

[Anonymous No.5970419]

>>5970410
Now it's just a question about who can put the most weight behind their opinion.

[Anonymous No.5970420]

>>5970396
We know its you /pol/

[Anonymous No.5970422]

>>5970416
>can't into context

[Anonymous No.5970423]

>>5970412

You're entitled to your poor opinion.

[Anonymous No.5970426]

>>5970389
That's why they were screaming "Allahu Akbar" as they were shooting these satirists in the head, right?

[Anonymous No.5970431]

>>5970420
He saw screenshots on /pol/, that must be the majority.

[Anonymous No.5970432]

>>5970415
well what is negative about any of those things? against what scale.

[Anonymous No.5970433]

>>5970420
>>5970422

Green text and labels. I'll take it as a confirmation that my work here is done.

[Anonymous No.5970435]

>>5970410
>this is what moral relativists actually believe

[Anonymous No.5970439]

>>5970433
yup, its done. You can return to your home board friend.

[Anonymous No.5970446]

>>5969898
>the pictures don't even have anything halfway intelligent or interesting to say

Neither do you. Does that mean it's OK for someone to kill you?

[Anonymous No.5970450]

>>5970416

It's not mental gymnastics it's posting actual textual evidence unlike the outright misinformation you post and out of context quotes, everyone can do that with nay religion and any religious book. The old testament alone has hundreds of justified violent battles and killings by the Jews. And yet the evidence you want doesn't go your way:

The ACTUAL quotes unlike the lies posted earlier in the thread:

>Surah 9:123

>O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous.

>Surah 2:190

>Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

[Anonymous No.5970452]

>>5970435
>being a moral nihilist (or an absolutist)

TOP KÆG

[Anonymous No.5970454]

>>5970432
These issues call for the unattainable utopia of tolerance and equality. It's a fight nobody can win and it perpetuates evidence-free debate that liberals like to use to call you a racist, sexist, bigot or a homophobe. It's enough that you are a straight, white male and the right to speak is suddenly taken away from you once you find yourself in that circle of people.

[Anonymous No.5970456]

>>5970450

>Posting excerpts straight out of the Quran is "misinformation"

If this isn't Taqiyya I don't know what is.

[Anonymous No.5970459]

>>5970452
Great argument for your position fagmunch.

[Anonymous No.5970465]

>insulting a religion to prove that you have free speech in a society that allows free speech

[Anonymous No.5970466]

>>5970454

Man, you sound so oppressed.

Like even the African slaves working in the fields were better off than the way you are discriminated now.

[Anonymous No.5970469]

>>5970459
Their position is true in their culture. Ours is true in our culture :)

[Anonymous No.5970474]

>>5969914
>What's worse is that these idiots wanted to ban the FN
seriously? do you have an english source pls?

[Anonymous No.5970478]

>>5970465

>Killing people for expressing themselves in a country that holds free speech as one of its highest ideals, and then claiming your beliefs are compatible with theirs

[Anonymous No.5970481]

>>5970469
But aren't a lot of them assimilating into our culture? The ones here aren't exactly culturally middle eastern, or at least they don't bring it here.

[Anonymous No.5970482]

>>5969932
>>5969962
>>5970039
>>5970242
fuck off back to tumblr
>>5970405
Yes, part of the Christian faith is converting non-believers, not killing them. You can fuck off back to tumblr too.

[Anonymous No.5970487]

>>5970478
>he doesn't understand that the photo of Don Quixote is related to the post

Do you even read?

[Anonymous No.5970489]

>>5970456

Incorrect translation is misinformation, but what about outright calls of violence from the Old testament?

>"KILL anyone who doesn't want me to be their king." Luke 19:27

>Everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

>..Kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. ?Show no mercy; have no pity!? Kill them all ? old and young, girls and women and little children...Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

>Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.(1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)

Religion of peace my ass haha

[Anonymous No.5970491]

>>5970478
maybe part of the reason they moved there is because they also wanted free speech. The ones who stay are the ones that don't hold it as high.

[Anonymous No.5970492]

>>5970487

>I expressed myself poorly so it is the fault of the reader for not grasping my intentions

Do you even write?

[Anonymous No.5970495]

I have only met good muslims, but I know some are astray. These are angry men, for probably good reasons, it just doesn't make killings right. Thing is, these guys are marginalized, they feel inferior for so many reasons. Religion is the only thing they can trust and cling to, I understand them... but so not agree with their methods.

[Anonymous No.5970498]

>>5970482
but you can interpret it to think that killing is fine, just like the muslims do.

[Anonymous No.5970499]

>>5970489

>what about outright calls of violence from the Old testament?

Take it up with the Jews. I'm not even Christian but I know that they don't use it as a basis for their ethics.

[Anonymous No.5970500]

>>5970492
I didn't even write the damn post and I understood it, are you handicapped?

[Anonymous No.5970501]

>>5970482

Did you get triggered poor thing?

If Christianity converts people through peaceful means why did Christians force-convert people and those they colonized all the way through the 18th century?

[Anonymous No.5970502]

>>5969898
>mohammedan can't handle the bantz

top lel

[Anonymous No.5970506]

>>5970501

>If Christianity converts people through peaceful means why did Christians force-convert people and those they colonized all the way through the 18th century?

If Islam is the religion of peace then why do they murder people for drawing cartoons?

[Anonymous No.5970507]

>>5970499

Old Testament is equally a sacred text for both Jews and Christians you mongoloid, and literally inspired by God.

[Anonymous No.5970508]

>>5970495
yeah, you can blame religion itself just as much as the entire islamic religion

[Anonymous No.5970513]

Its pretty disheartening how many people have said that free speech shouldn't be defended on a literature board.

Many of your favorite books were banned and burned at one time because people felt that it was against the Christian religion. Should their ruling have stood and those books wiped from the face of the earth?

[Anonymous No.5970516]

>>5970507

The new testament supersedes the old testament in regards to Christian ethics. Stop grasping for straws.

[Anonymous No.5970517]

>>5970513

>Its pretty disheartening how many people have said that free speech shouldn't be defended on a literature board.

They are literally naive self-hating whites from tumblr who will use whatever lies and tricks necessary to feel that they've "won" and stuck it to the "racists".

[Anonymous No.5970518]

>>5970506
muh unflappable perfect version of islam doesn't allow it.

[Anonymous No.5970521]

>>5970507
>inspired by the human idea of god
fixed that for you bud

[Anonymous No.5970525]

>>5969981
she brings me your mama

[Anonymous No.5970526]

>>5970506

Because there is no such thing as "religion of peace" everyone can justify whatever they want according to an interpretation of a holy text. The history of humanity and it's endless religious conflicts is proof of that.Most radical Muslims don't find justification for violent Jihad in the Quran but in commentaries made by Muftis.

[Anonymous No.5970532]

>>5970517
And those fiercely defending the comics have no interest other than hopping on a new bandwagon for nationalism


They are literally naive hating whites from /pol/ who will use whatever lies and tricks necessary to feel that they've "won" and stuck it to the "races".

[Anonymous No.5970535]

To the self-hating whites who are lingering around this thread after being BTFO, I implore you to watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5pIka2ElqE

Perhaps you will see the error in your ways and return to stand with your own people.

[Anonymous No.5970536]

>>5970517
>They are literally naive self-hating whites from tumblr who will use whatever lies and tricks necessary to feel that they've "won" and stuck it to the "racists".

They're /pol/-bait posts. Stop being an idiot.

[Anonymous No.5970539]

THESE POL SHITHEADS NEED TO GET THE FUCK OUT! WHERE ARE THE MODS?!?

[Anonymous No.5970544]

>>>/co/

[Anonymous No.5970545]

>>5970516

It does not, ask any theologian you want.

Without the Old Testament there is no way to support Jesus is the Messiah.

[Anonymous No.5970550]

>>5970513
Back then. In this time, in the west, there is no reason to make a big deal out of free speech because you fucking have it. There is nothing to prove, you have it, you can say whatever the fuck you want. If you want to fight and die for free speech then go to fucking North Korea.

[Anonymous No.5970554]

>>5970535
I can't tell if you are trying to discredit /pol/ or just trying to troll.

[Anonymous No.5970556]

>>5970545

>Without the Old Testament there is no way to support Jesus is the Messiah.

Right... that's why it's included at all. Then Jesus came and replaced the old with the new.

[Anonymous No.5970560]

>>5970545
>hurr durr if Jesus were not the Messiah then who cares about what he says lol
This is what Christians actually believe.

[Anonymous No.5970564]

>>5969923
He doesn't need a reason. I can go outside with a sign that says "my mum has 40 tits and fuck Jesus" and it doesn't matter because it's my right as a citizen. The point is that it's his right, not that it was intelligent or a good idea to publish that shit.

[Anonymous No.5970566]

>>5970554

I am simply trying to alleviate the self-hatred of young leftists.

[Anonymous No.5970573]

>>5970566
they don't exist outside your head

[Anonymous No.5970575]

>>5970489
the guy in luke is not jesus, it's some idiot who is being made an example of, he is explicitly a total asshole

as a nationalist religion, judaism is dangerous. agreed. but islam is more dangerous due to expansiveness. judaism may be considered just confused, there's a lot of contradictory stuff written by a thousand different people in the bible. the koran's lack of this makes it far more dangerous: if there are no (less?) contradictions, what is said is meant

[Anonymous No.5970577]

>>5970556

Everything any prophet said in the Old Testament is canon and inspired by God according to Christianity.

I know Christianity better than you and I'm not even Christian.

[Anonymous No.5970579]

>>5970532
Maybe there's just someone who thinks it's ok to say things others find stupid or pointless or grossly offensive, even if it's said solely to be stupid, pointless, and grossly offensive.

It's healthy to be offended by things and have to deal with it.

[Anonymous No.5970580]

>>5970501
Being Christian doesn't make a person faultless, nor does it justify everything a person does.
/lit/ isn't normally filled with this many morons, I don't know what happened.
>>5970513
You're pulling shit out of your ass, Islam apologist. Name one of /lit/'s favored books that was widely "banned and burned" because it was against the Christian religion.

[Anonymous No.5970582]

>>5970564
I'm not saying it's not his right. I'm saying it's stupid to think of him as a hero or as doing something important by offending a group of violent dumbasses.

[Anonymous No.5970589]

>>5970575

The Qur'an is explicit in it's tolerance of all other Abrahamic religions.

see:

>>5970405

[Anonymous No.5970603]

>>5970582
True, but it doesn't excuse the acts of the terrorists. Yeah, he was a fucking idiot, but no sane person would shoot up an office just because someone published something they didn't like. It's absurd.

[Anonymous No.5970604]

>>5970580

Yeah but the massive cognitive dissonance people like you display by separating Christian crimes from their holy book while at the same time accusing Islam of being an "expansionist religion", if this very sentence is not countered by the fact that Christianity literally spread though out the world through forced conversions I don't know what is.

Idiot.

[Anonymous No.5970612]

>>5970580
Infinite Jest gets burned a lot.

[Anonymous No.5970616]

>>5970564
>live in a country where you have all the rights you want
>insult something to prove that you have the right to do it

I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.5970622]

>>5970580

lol all of those hundreds of books banned in the US and in Europe in the past because of Un-christian or pro-left themes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_banned_by_governments

[Anonymous No.5970626]

>>5970616

>Victim blaming

[Anonymous No.5970630]

>>5969981
underrated post

[Anonymous No.5970641]

>>5970626
More like questioning the intelligence of the victim.

[Anonymous No.5970643]

>>5970589
The Qu'ran is very offensive to non-believers, especially Christians. I do not understand where you are receiving the knowledge that followers of Islam are peaceful towards Christians, the Qu'ran basically asserts 'never back down' and that Jesus was not a viable prophet.

[Anonymous No.5970645]

>>5970604
Let's not forget how the western expanded through colonialism throughout most of the world in the last 500 years, though commerce and exploitation and slavery

[Anonymous No.5970651]

>>5970516
You don't have very good reading comprehension, I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm an apologist when my first statement was "I'm sad people think free speech isn't necessary"

And you have to be joking about the banned books thing not existing

[Anonymous No.5970663]

>>5970622
The US doesn't ban books, you fucking dumbass.

Bookstores and libraries can choose not to carry certain books, and schools can prohibit them, but that barely ever happens.

>because of Un-christian or pro-left themes.
>MUH PERSECUTION

FUCK

OFF

BACK

TO

TUMBLR

>http://www.bannedbooksweek.org/about
Parents don't want their kids reading about drugs or sex.

Like I said, you're pulling shit out of your ass.

[Anonymous No.5970680]

>>5970643

Are you a pathological liar?
>Behold! the disciples, said: "O Jesus the son of Mary! can thy Lord send down to us a table set (with viands) from heaven?" Said Jesus: "Fear Allah, if ye have faith."
They said: "We only wish to eat thereof and satisfy our hearts, and to know that thou hast indeed told us the truth; and that we ourselves may be witnesses to the miracle."
Said Jesus the son of Mary: "O Allah our Lord! Send us from heaven a table set (with viands), that there may be for us—for the first and the last of us—a solemn festival and a sign from thee; and provide for our sustenance, for thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs)."
Allah said: "I will send it down unto you: But if any of you after that resisteth faith, I will punish him with a penalty such as I have not inflicted on any one among all the peoples."
—Quran Surah Al-Ma'ida 112-115[22]


>"And they said we have killed the Messiah Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of God. They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, though it was made to appear like that to them; those that disagreed about him are full of doubt, with no knowledge to follow, only supposition: they certainly did not kill him. On the contrary, God raised him unto himself. God is almighty and wise."
—Quran surah 4 (An-Nisa النساء) ayah 157-158[24]


Jesus is a prophet in Islam, just like Muhammad.

[Anonymous No.5970692]

>>5970663

It seems to me you got royally served with old fashioned evidence and are just mad about it.

Books like Brave New World, Slaughterhouse 9 and Lolita all went through US court cases and were banned from being sold.

[Anonymous No.5970693]

>>5970663
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Reich#Book_burning

[Anonymous No.5970699]

>>5970680
Yes well, you must admit, the Holy Trinity as a concept is blasphemous to followers of Islam. Christians are categorized in the group of 'Those who join gods with god'.

[Anonymous No.5970716]

>>5970699

Christians are "people of the book" according to Islam not heathens, they are to be tolerated.

Because Jesus was a prophet Muslims cannot violently convert Christians like with heathens.

[Anonymous No.5970727]

>>5969898
actually the reason Mohamed is not to be drawn is not because doing so is "evil" its because in the beginning of the Abraham religions (according to Muslims) depictions of religious figures lead to idol worship which distracted from god.

so drawing Mohamed is bad because it creates an idol of worship which might be mistaken as holy in the future.

most Muslims will say its bad practice but not evil.

[Anonymous No.5970730]

>>5969898
>>5969914
>Defending mass murderers of innocents

I see the edgy kids got here.

[Anonymous No.5970734]

>>5970716

>Because Jesus was a prophet Muslims cannot violently convert Christians like with heathens.

How nice of them.

[Anonymous No.5970737]

>>5970716
No, they are not people of the book, when they mention the 'Book' in the suras, it is a reference to the Qu'ran itself.

[Anonymous No.5970744]

>>5970389
>it has literally nothing to do with Islam, why do people keep bringing that up

It has literally everything to do with Islam. Islam is the motivation for these insane primitive fuckwits to go trigger-happy on perfectly good law-abiding people.

NO OTHER RELIGION in this day and age regularly kills non-believers. Not even their fringe elements.

>but muh muh crusades

And those were how many centuries ago?

[Anonymous No.5970752]

They do considering your juxtaposition.

[Anonymous No.5970753]

>>5970744
no one believes you here, bring it somewhere else

[Anonymous No.5970754]

They were definitely asking for it. I don't support what happened, but i do get the feeling it was less about supposed free speech and more about being smug and pissing off immigrants.

[Anonymous No.5970762]

>>5970744
No other religion today is having the same things happen to it as Islam. We've seen in the past that when the same effects are applied to Christianity they started to do the same things.

>And those were how many centuries ago?
Always this plebian reply. Something being a long time ago doesn't make it any less valid or significant in an argument, humans have no evolved into a new species in 800 years.

[Anonymous No.5970766]

>>5970754
yeah, you have to avoid things like being in the way of moving vehicles because you want to avoid danger, its no different than avoiding people that might do the same.

[Anonymous No.5970794]

Fuck you OP, pauvre con.
Charlie Hebdo is god-tier

[Anonymous No.5970805]

>>5970762
>No other religion today is having the same things happen to it as Islam

Define "same things". Christians are mocked just as mercilessly (in that same magazine even) and yet they somehow manage to not go apeshit like animals.

>Something being a long time ago doesn't make it any less valid or significant in an argument, humans have no evolved into a new species in 800 years
Yes it fucking does. When Christian crusades took place, the world in general was massively more violent and savage than now. People would kill for religion because they would kill for fucking any dumb reason, it was considered completely normal to duel to death for trivial insults. That is not the case in Europe of two thousand fucking fifteen. This is an age where violence of all sorts is deemed categorically unacceptable, and mockery and ridicule without repercussion are the rights of every man. Christianity has accepted this. Buddhism and Hinduism and even fucking Satanism has accepted this. Yet some motherfucker in the class is still stuck in the medieval mindset, some motherfucker acts like it's still the Ottoman Empire's time.

[Anonymous No.5970810]

>>5969923
Nice try Ahmed.
>He was asking to die for doing something that hurt people's feelings and in turn, had other people be murdered

Interesting. Well I guess it won't be too much of a problem if I blow up a fully-packed Mosque because 2 guys decided to kill white people, now will it?

Fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.5970817]

>>5970744

In my opinion, the variable under which terror is perpetrated throughout history, has little to no importance.

The state of mind of an executioner, is no different when he kills someone in the name of Allah, in the name of the peoples emancipation, the senate of Rome, or the American people.

[Anonymous No.5970819]

>>5970794
Eh, I'm glad it exists(ed?), but it wasn't ever funny, was it?

[Anonymous No.5970820]

if you don't think the CH cartoonists deserved it for being problematic fuckboys, you're really gross and awful and need to go back to >>>/pol/ thanks

[Anonymous No.5970826]

>>5970233
>/pol/ is leaking again

Such nonsense that continues to be said every time someone voices an opinion like this. Do you think that people can't browse more than one board, retard?

>"Are you being racist on my board?"
>>>/pol/
>"haha yea that sure showed him :^)"

[Anonymous No.5970828]

>>5970754
>i do get the feeling it was less about supposed free speech and more about being smug and pissing off immigrants.

I don't think you quite understand what the point of free speech is. The right to free speech is the right to mock and ridicule and insult and hurt the emotions of people. That is literally what it is for, what it's all about. Speech that doesn't piss anyone off doesn't need protection, nobody wants to gag such speech to begin with. Only speech that angers people needs special protection.

A cornerstone of civilization is that words are retaliated with words, not bullets.

[Anonymous No.5970836]

>Can we laugh about everything?
>No

If you can't take the banter, just shoot yourself

[Anonymous No.5970839]

>>5970817
None of which, is the path to true life, as I understand it.

[Anonymous No.5970840]

>>5970805
>Define "same things". Christians are mocked just as mercilessly (in that same magazine even) and yet they somehow manage to not go apeshit like animals.
Because Christians live and grow in an entirely different culture to that of most Muslims. If you had made cartoons mocking Jesus in 16th century Spain, you would be tortured, and then killed.
Cultural climate my friend.

>Yes it fucking does. When Christian crusades took place, the world in general was massively more violent and savage than now. People would kill for religion because they would kill for fucking any dumb reason, it was considered completely normal to duel to death for trivial insults. That is not the case in Europe of two thousand fucking fifteen. This is an age where violence of all sorts is deemed categorically unacceptable, and mockery and ridicule without repercussion are the rights of every man. Christianity has accepted this. Buddhism and Hinduism and even fucking Satanism has accepted this. Yet some motherfucker in the class is still stuck in the medieval mindset, some motherfucker acts like it's still the Ottoman Empire's time.
You mean like the middle east today, thanks for proving my point. They are experience the same climate as the Christians of old, and guess what, they act in the same way.

Oh and Hindus are killing each other a lot, the media just doesn't give a shit about sectarian violence in India. I guess the Japanese of WW2 were also following a form of Buddhism, and these cartel members who commit horrible atrocities, all tend to be devout catholics.

So i think you're bias and talking shit.

[Anonymous No.5970848]

>>5970819
I find it funny. If you don't speak french, I doubt you can like it. Humor isn't universal. Charlie Hebdo is very left wing and anti-clerical.

>God doesn't exists
>Yes he does!

[Anonymous No.5970850]

you guys are literally retarded

[Anonymous No.5970851]

>>5970828
>A cornerstone of civilization is that words are retaliated with words, not bullets.
That's fine, but as it happens certain words (regarding the Jewish holocaust) are "retaliated" with state violence back there, so they're not being held to that standard.

[Anonymous No.5970863]

Can you fuckers let me go to bed.

[Anonymous No.5970869]

>Both of your premises are arguable // incorrect.
>There is no relation between your premises, and your conclusion.

[Anonymous No.5970870]

>>5970840
>If you had made cartoons mocking Jesus in 16th century Spain, you would be tortured, and then killed.

WELL GOOD FUCKING THING THIS IS 21ST CENTURY I GUESS. Fucking retard.

>You mean like the middle east today, thanks for proving my point. They are experience the same climate as the Christians of old, and guess what, they act in the same way.

And that way is absolutely, completely unacceptable in modern western society and is limited, in 2015, to Islam and nothing but Islam.

It's fucking amazing that when the terrorists themselves SAY their motivation is to avenge the insults on Islam, you still pretend their motivation has nothing to do with Islam. That's some advanced level of self-deception you've got going on there son.

[Anonymous No.5970874]

>>5970851

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

[Anonymous No.5970879]

>>5970851
that's a valid point, but it only addresses inconsistency of applying a principle. It doesn't discount the principle itself.

[Anonymous No.5970881]

>>5970870
someone probably killed for one of your beliefs, does that discredit it?

[Anonymous No.5970883]

>>5970692
What the fuck are you talking about, and why the hell won't you fuck off back to tumblr?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughterhouse-Five#Censorship_controversy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita#Publication_and_reception
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World#Censorship.2Fbanning_instances.2C_accusation_of_plagiarism

>>5970693
Alright, you got me. Reich was a criminally dangerous fraudster, lunatic, and pedophile. The FDA (that's the FOOD AND DRUG administration) burned unsold works of his because they were considered false and misleading works of potentially dangerous psuedoscience.

[Anonymous No.5970891]

>>5969932
wow, your french fluency is garbage AND you're an edgelord. nice.

[Anonymous No.5970903]

>>5970883
I actually do browse tumblr, what does that have to do with anything though.

[Anonymous No.5970912]

>>5970870

>GOOD FUCKING THING THIS IS 21ST CENTURY I GUESS

If you aren't aware yet, the "21st century" is as relative as the degree of development, emancipation, balance, and a whole array of attributes "open" societies have.

You should perhaps rethink on what being "aware about the whole world" imply. There is huge mobility nowadays, and vast areas of the planet for whom the concept of century has no sense at all.

If the world is becoming one, and the common denominator, is the lack of basic human rights, including freedom of speech, expect the need to educate every incoming citizen on said values, and defend them by all means necessary against threats, foreign, as the tewriowrists, and domestic, as the different "national security" teams, who will undoubtedly tread on your personal freedom to "balance security and liberty".

It seems, that the decisions of our governments towards certain issues, imply for the citizens to assume the risk of dying, if you want to be really free, or give up your liberty as it was told to you, in order to have a safe live.

[Anonymous No.5970917]

>>5970912
>live
life

10/10

[Anonymous No.5970920]

>>5970903
tumblr users are known for their love of playing the victim, and for falsely perceiving themselves as persecuted.

[Anonymous No.5970925]

>>5970840
>Oh and Hindus are killing each other a lot, the media just doesn't give a shit about sectarian violence in India

Because the sectarian violence in India is between Hindus and mudslimes. Guess which one instigated it?

Islam has no place in modern society. They can't fit in at all.

[Anonymous No.5970927]

>>5970920
I just like looking at cool pictures, you'd have to specifically look for those channels to see them.

[Anonymous No.5970929]

>>5970883
Why are you grouping pedophilia in with frauding and lunacy?

[Anonymous No.5970933]

>>5969923
Ah, 'tis halal to see another servant of Allah posting on this absolutely haram image board. I'm sure my seven waifus will be glad to hear about godly gentleman. I tip my taqiyah to you.

[Anonymous No.5970934]

>>5970870
>WELL GOOD FUCKING THING THIS IS 21ST CENTURY I GUESS. Fucking retard.
That's not even an argument, you're just ignoring the obvious point because you're beaten

Their motivation isn't really Islam, the underlying motivation for all the strife in the Islamic world is not Islam it's the last century of events. If they were another faith they would be acting the same. History has proven this because other faiths have acted just as barbaric under the same situations, synch as Christians during the 30 years war.

No one says Islam isn't very entwined or that it doesn't help as a catalyst either, rather it's not the baseline motivation.

That is my point friend.

[Anonymous No.5970942]

this is from right after they were bombed. pretty based.

[Anonymous No.5970946]

>not realizing that it's all the Jews fault

you guys are truly idiotic

[Anonymous No.5970949]

>>5970925
No it's linked to the fact that India is a state as large as Western Europe which was united by force by the British and many people in India still don't want to be united. Similar to the Middle East actually. It's amazing how many problems it causes when you instantly creat countries on arbitrary lines.

The fact that you keep saying mudslimes shows you have no place in intelligent discussion though.

[Anonymous No.5970953]

>>5970934
good explanation, sounds plausible

[Anonymous No.5970959]

Ah, how good it feels to be more intelligent than all of you and be at peace with myself knowing the truths of this world and watch you all bite one another like rats.

[Anonymous No.5970966]

>>5970934
I agree with what you have said
This is my first post in this thread
Please explain to me how what you have said alters the fact having muslim populations in western societies is not a bad thing

[Anonymous No.5970967]

>>5970949
>which was united by force by the British

India has been united countless times throughout history by people other than the British, and the Indians (not British) who wanted independence wanted a unified India to the point where they declared war on the states that refused.

>Similar to the Middle East actually. It's amazing how many problems it causes when you instantly creat countries on arbitrary lines.

Last I checked only one state in the middle east was created arbitrarily. Are you saying the Jews are at fault?

[Anonymous No.5970977]

>>5970959
share it with us then friendo, share the knowledge

[Anonymous No.5970978]

>>5970966
is a bad thing*

[Anonymous No.5970982]

>>5970946
we know /pol/, we know

[Anonymous No.5970987]

>>5970977
I cannot. It is something one must find and understand on their own.

Hush now, cast yourself out into the world, you can find truth, you can find peace but watch out! The road ahead is lain with jagged thorns and sharp steep swords of the ignorant! For if they knew the truth they would not bear it, they could not bear it.

[Anonymous No.5970990]

>>5970737


Why lie when people can just check wikipedia about this shit?

>In Islam, the Muslim scripture, the Qur'an, is taken to represent the completion of these scriptures, and to synthesize them as God's true, final, and eternal message to humanity. Because the People of the Book recognize the God of Abraham as the one and only god, as do Muslims, and they practice revealed faiths based on divine ordinances, tolerance and autonomy is accorded to them in societies governed by sharia (Islamic divine law).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_of_the_Book#In_the_Qur.27an

[Anonymous No.5970991]

>>5969898
>guy shitposting on lit everyone get bait

[Anonymous No.5970996]

>>yfw people cherry pick random parts about murder from the quran and think regular ol' muslims living in their homes with their families believe this shit and would kill someone if they had to

>>>yfw people cherry pick muslim countries that are against gays and hold very harsh values but no one ever mentions africa and the atrocities in uganda

[Anonymous No.5971000]

>>5969898
4/10
but
10/10 for the reaction you got
I am very disappointed in the level of intelligence currently present on /lit/

[Anonymous No.5971006]

>>5970929
Because those were all aspects of who Reich was, and because invoking pedophilia is an easy way to get people to side against a person.

[Anonymous No.5971007]

>>5970446
He made dumb comics that were considered evil by a deadly religion. If he came out with a legitimate and thought provoking criticism on their religion that really opened people's eyes and got killed, maybe it would be okay to call him a hero. But calling a guy who made pictures that don't even have anything halfway intelligent or interesting to say that he knew could could get him killed and eventually got him killed a hero is almost as stupid as his comics.

[Anonymous No.5971009]

>>5970996
>think regular ol' muslims living in their homes with their families believe this shit

"Regular ol' muslims" were letting off firecrackers and celebrating on twitter when it happened. They only pretend to feel bad to get pity and do damage control; they are absolutely happy blasphemers got killed.

>yfw people cherry pick muslim countries that are against gays and hold very harsh values but no one ever mentions africa and the atrocities in uganda

Because Africa is shit due to the race of people living there, not the religion.

[Anonymous No.5971012]

>>5971000
I can't sleep and I'm too tired to read or to study.

[Anonymous No.5971013]

>>5971000

Unfortunately we can't all be enlightened by our intelligences like yourself.

[Anonymous No.5971016]

....and--- wrhere did we go? and what did we learn?
I predict: nothing.
People post to get their load of, never absorb anything....
We have to do it in some other way.....

[Anonymous No.5971017]

>>5971000
its was the chance to talk about the issue without as many /pol/ posters. It didn't really matter because a ton of people like trolling by posting /pol/ opinions to discredit how crazy their beliefs look.

[Anonymous No.5971021]

>>5971009

It's good we have people like you whoa admit that they hate Muslims and other foreigners because of their race rather because of their religion. It's easier to mock you.

[Anonymous No.5971022]

>>5971009
>"Regular ol' muslims" were letting off firecrackers and celebrating on twitter when it happened. They only pretend to feel bad to get pity and do damage control; they are absolutely happy blasphemers got killed.

Wow, nice cherrypicking, faggot.
"Oh it got a bunch of publicity from twitter so it must be true and every single one of them think like this!!"

It's also funny because I went to a mosque this evening after being invitied by a muslim friend and they held prayers for those who died and condemed the attacks but I doubt you know any muslims in real life.

>Because Africa is shit due to the race of people living there, not the religion.

Those gay killings are specifically because of their Christian religion you pseudo intellectual.

[Anonymous No.5971026]

>>5971013
You have been so transparently trolled.

I mean, I could say:
>babies deserve to die: abortion should be mandatory in all but the most extreme cases

and you, you will probably get mad and have a counter argument.

[Anonymous No.5971027]

>>5970730
I'm not defending the mass murder of innocents, I'm saying that we shouldn't call someone a hero who made stupid comics that offended a deadly religion and could obviously get you killed. It's his right to make his shitty 'satire', and he should be able to. But to be surprised when he gets murdered and act as though he didn't have it coming AND make him out to be some sort of heroic defender of free speech is just dumb.

[Anonymous No.5971035]

>>5971021
>It's good we have people like you whoa admit that they hate Muslims and other foreigners because of their race rather because of their religion

Muslim isn't a race. I have no problem with Semites who don't shoot up cartoonists because they drew their moon god. Too bad Muslims can't resist.

>>5971022
>Those gay killings are specifically because of their Christian religion you pseudo intellectual.

No, it's because they're warlords who want any excuse they can to slaughter others. Do you really think the people who kill others for being in the wrong tribe need a religion to stir them to murder?

[Anonymous No.5971044]

>>5971007
Surely that is the actually heroic part?

If you make fun of someone who can't fight back that's fairly trivial. If the threat of death is genuine, then standing up to it means something.

[Anonymous No.5971048]

>>5971044
He isn't 'standing up' to anything. He's just trying to piss people off.

[Anonymous No.5971049]

>>5971027
true. And think all muslims would be possible terrorist aint to far away. Just saying. It's already happening. I know a lot of Mosques are being vandalilized right now.
I don't condone it, but what can you do=

[Anonymous No.5971050]

>>5971017
>be libtard
>disagree with post
>POL BOGEYMAN!!

[Anonymous No.5971057]

>>5971035
What's it like being a pseudo intellectual who can't admit the facts but only use them when it means you can hate a group you yourself don't like?

Are you a Christian?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda#Religion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Act,_2014

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoweri_Museveni

>president of uganda since 1986 is Anglican

Fucking buffoon.

[Anonymous No.5971062]

>>5971026
But that is exactly what you do when you spar. And every fighter knows perfection comes from the combination of talent and practice.

[Anonymous No.5971064]

>>5970933
Great shitpost

[Anonymous No.5971065]

>>5971048
So you think that we should all cave to threats of terrorism?

There is clearly inherent value in doing the exact opposite and pissing these people off for the sake of pissing them off.

I recommend reading Douthat's column in the NYT on the topic.

[Anonymous No.5971068]

>>5971057
>these people are religious
>that means they killed in the name of that religion

If Uganda passed a law that all members of the Bobo tribe were to be eradicated, is that Christianity's fault too?

[Anonymous No.5971076]

>freedom of speech should only protect speech I agree with

There are actual, factual idiots on this planet that believe this.

[Anonymous No.5971078]

thank God I live up North. Poor Italy (Lampadusu). Thing is.. We get the niggers to work for a fraction. And I've personally had the pleasure fucking some muslim milf, with 2 kids

[Anonymous No.5971079]

>>5970996

>>tfw it would be extremely easy for an extreme right underground movement, to fake, fund, or aid to the commitment of radical Islam terror acts, in order to "legitimately" target the Muslim community, pass anti immigration laws with less resistance, and enforce surveillance laws for the sake of western society protection.

[Anonymous No.5971087]

>>5971076
I'm saying that you shouldn't be surprised when somebody's speech has heavy consequences, not that I don't support free speech. We're calling him a hero for doing shit dumb and offensive enough to get him shot. That seems wrong to me. Is he brave? Most likely. Do I think he did anything fantastic? No.

I'm not saying that we should be nice to islamic people. I'm saying that you shouldn't be fucking surprised when a barbarian breaks the law to get revenge on you for talking shit about them.

[Anonymous No.5971089]

>>5971035
>No, it's because they're warlords who want any excuse they can to slaughter others. Do you really think the people who kill others for being in the wrong tribe need a religion to stir them to murder?

get fucking educated. the cause behind the anti-gay violence in africa rests at the hands of american evangelicals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcM6GI0TUMQ http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/31/why-africa-s-turning-anti-gay.html
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-kaoma-uganda-gays-american-ministers-20140323-story.html

[Anonymous No.5971091]

>>5971068
Have you ever watched the news of the citizens or the politicans?

They actively condemn it based on their religion, holy shit, how retarded can you be that you can't see your own hypocrisy?

>muslim says "we're not all bad"
>"lol fuck off mudslime"
>christians in uganda
>"no no its ok there is no correlation between their religion and the acts they commit"

Holy shit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bahati

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellowship_%28Christian_organization%29

Open your eyes you fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.5971098]

>>5971078
lmfao

[Anonymous No.5971105]

I've been thinking. Why dont all muslims head back to Syria? Enjoy the Kalifat? They know they are not wanted here....oh I get siphon the dole.

[Anonymous No.5971110]

>>5971105
>look at me im retarded the post

[Anonymous No.5971116]

>>5971110
>no he said the truth

They're only here because they get free cash and asspats from white liberals, and because they can rape and kill infidels eithers.

Oh wait, next you're going to claim they're "refugees" from the shitholes they created.

[Anonymous No.5971117]

>>5971091
god sides with Christianity, you can't argue with god so I suggest you fuck off to tumblr

[Anonymous No.5971122]

>>5971091

It is a common tactic to keep a certain community in line, to blame upon all of them regrettable acts, in order to mud the reputation of the whole community, and force them to show allegiance to the hosting one.

[Anonymous No.5971127]

>>5971116
Nah, many do come here because they think they can get a free pass but many are refugees.

Also, the whole idea they all want to rape and kill infidels is just you believing propaganda like a proper sheeple, many muslims in the west haven't even read the Quran like Christians and many who come here become westernised.

I would know considering the fact I word with many Syrians but I doubt you know any in real life. Keep believing the media, buddy.

[Anonymous No.5971134]

>>5971117
Yeah yeah tumblr meme after you got blown the fuck out by several sources

top kekels

[Anonymous No.5971138]

>>5971110
Which part is retarded?

[Anonymous No.5971139]

>>5971110

dude, you're trying to reason with angry hateful people, whose entire worldview is dependent upon raging irrational emotion instead of reason. they have more in common with the people they hate so much than they will ever understand. don't bother. you'll only aggregate yourself.

[Anonymous No.5971148]

>>5971138
>People who have been driven out of their homes and forced to emigrate to places like Bulgaria, turkey, iraq and iran should just get up and go back home so that they can be killed by ISIS or military fire

Fucking idiots, you all literally have no idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.5971152]

>>5971127
You would probably do the same if you where in their skin.

[Anonymous No.5971153]

>>5970564
>rights
>as a citizen

Easy there.

[Anonymous No.5971155]

>>5971127
>Also, the whole idea they all want to rape and kill infidels is just you believing propaganda like a proper sheeple

>almost every rape in Norway and Sweden was commited by a Muslim
>majority of rapes and murders in western europe are also committed by muslims

Okay.

>>5971148
>move to country because of war in your old one
>try to turn the new country into the old one, complete with rampant crime, rape, murder, and slaughter of unbelievers

They clearly don't mind.

[Anonymous No.5971160]

>>5971152
If my neighbours were being shelled in front of me and prices of foods and everything rising up and no money coming in from my businesses...fuck YES I WOULD LEAVE AND RUN TO THE WEST

>>5971155
where are your sources?


>>a couple of shooters with no evidence they are muslim means every muslim in the west wants to change politics
>>people are this stupid and think this would happen

[Anonymous No.5971161]

>>5971148
I want to understand, but you're are not making any sense. Are you trolling?
Or just lacking any sense.

[Anonymous No.5971163]

>>5971161
What didn't make any sense?

[Anonymous No.5971167]

>>5971160
>>>a couple of shooters with no evidence they are muslim

Aside from the fact they're all IDed as muslims, shot up a magazine because it hurt their religious feelings, right? And let's not get into all the Muslims plowing into streets of edestrians with cars while screen allah snackbar.

Oh, and the most important thing, the fact that only muslims ever do this shit.

[Anonymous No.5971176]

>>5971167
THEY LISTEN TO HIPPYTY HOPPYTY
I SHAW IT ON THE NEWSH

[Anonymous No.5971178]

>>5971167
>Oh, and the most important thing, the fact that only muslims ever do this shit.

I wonder what it must be like to fall for media propaganda all the time.

What about all those American school shootings?

Oh but if I brought that up, you'd probably say that doesn't make sense or doesn't count.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

[Anonymous No.5971188]

>>5971178
>What about all those American school shootings?

Yeah, I remember the last time two boys who had obvious military training killed 11 students while yelling ALLAH AKBAR, executed a security guard, stole a car, and drove off.

[Anonymous No.5971193]

>>5971188
>strawman the post
>"11 students"
>didn't read the numbers from the 10's or 2000's

Wow, I wonder what it must be like to be so stupid, keep that national pride going, buddy, I'll leave this just for you, Schopenhauer said this but I doubt you've ever read him:

>On the other hand, the cheapest form of pride is national pride; for the man affected therewith betrays a want of individual qualities of which he might be proud, since he would not otherwise resort to that which he shares with so many millions. The man who possesses outstanding personal qualities will rather see most clearly the faults of his own nation, for he has them constantly before his eyes. But every miserable fool, who has nothing in the world whereof he could be proud, resorts finally to being proud of the very nation to which he belongs. In this he finds compensation and is now ready and thankful to defend, … all the faults and follies peculiar to it.
>(From 'Parerga and Paralipomena', Vol. 1, Aphorisms on the Wisdom of Life, 'What A Man Represents', pp. 360)

[Anonymous No.5971198]

>>5969898
>ALLAHU ACKBAR THIS CHINESE CARTOON WEBSITE IS HARAM!

[Anonymous No.5971205]

>>5971188
>A boy in 2012 killed 28 people in Connecticut

>waaaaah muh paris shooting in another country

kek

[Anonymous No.5971238]

>>5970175
No, because 99.9% of them won't