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What grounds does God have to punish someone for eternity? What justification is there for a holy and perfect God to forgive a wicked and rebellious sinner? In other words, what grounds does God have to forgive the most vile and retched of people? Is this ever explicitly stated in The Bible?

>> No.5955648

he's god, he can do whatever he wants

>> No.5955656

Because fuck you he can

>> No.5955667

yahweh is a whiny bitch.

>> No.5955948

>>5955648
>>5955656
>>5955667
A real answer would be nice.

>> No.5955980

>>5955948

He made the rules.

>> No.5955989

>>5955948
it's a stupid fucking question

>> No.5956065

>>5955638
Quite honest with you, God can do so he pleases. He can destroy the peoples, and forgive the sinner. We are but Mortals, and he is all. Those are Gods grounds.

>> No.5956095

>>5955948

They are real answers. God can do what he wants and most of what he wants is incredibly petty.

>> No.5956105

yes it is stated in the bible

read for yourself -- no shortcuts

>> No.5956531

>>5955638
You're asking a question of ethics, but by starting with an assumption of Yahew being real, you make the question meaningless. "Right" is whatever God says it is, as is "wrong," if He exists. There's no place for external justification. His actions are by definition infallible, as He is supposedly omniscient and omnipresent and omnipotent. Therefore He can do no Wrong, because "wrong" only means shit he doesn't like.

>> No.5956534

He hasn't. Christ came to save the whole world

>> No.5956564

>>5955638
God is a dictator.

>> No.5958449

People have free will so they can understand the pain that sinning causes. If there was no sin people wouldn't understand the beauty of grace and the true depth of Jesus' sacrifice. Or something like that.

>> No.5958492

Hell and Heaven are both largely unmentioned in the Bible, maybe you should read it before asking dumb questions.

>> No.5958512

In Job, God basically shows up and says "hey Job, shut the fuck up - I'm God".

So yes, he can because he's God

>> No.5958564
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>>5955638
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5QwP6QW3C0

Before death, people can come to a point where they are beyond the hope of salvation.

>> No.5958621

God doesn't punish, man does that well enough by himself

>> No.5958623

>>5958621
>God doesn't punish
A mountain of foreskins begs to differ

>> No.5958634

>>5958623
Who chose to follow that law well after Christ abolished the rule of the Old Testament?

>> No.5958965

>>5955638
Romans goes over a lot of this

>> No.5959032

>>5955638
If you seek retribution and forgiveness for your sins, he will forgive and accept you into his kingdom. God loves all, even sinners. Forgiveness comes from your willingness to repent those sins.

>> No.5959295

>>5955638
God is perfect by definition for Christians therefore anything carried out by God is good and just in their view. Its the same with love, its a form of love alien to almost all human definition (despite us being created in its image) but still is seen as the highest form of love simply because it stems from god.

>> No.5959300

>>5958492
Seriously? Just what do you think is refering to when they are talking of salvation, and eternal life?

>> No.5959310

OP, if you want to know the real answer to you questions about the bible, check out jw.org. You will get answers, not based on the philosophical understandings of X or Y man, but based on what the bible itself says. Since the bible is the word of god; you'll get the answers based on the word of god and what he really thinks; the thoughts and ideas he really wanted to transmit to us through his word, the bible.

>> No.5959332

>>5959310
My bad; I should've explained how to navigate the site in order to reach the FAQ, so to speak. In the homepage of the site, go to where it says ''Bible Teachings'', and from there go to "Bible Questions Answered". There you will find answers to questions about various categories regarding the bible, such as god, jesus, family, death and other things.

>> No.5959345

>>5959300
Salvation is going to heaven the part about not being saved is staying on earth and getting and getting stinged by the prototype combat locusts that are commanded by a reverse angel general, if you actually read the bible the whole of revelation is barely mentioned again after jesus is born and sacrificedm the whole thing about him dying is to give every single human a chance to atone for whatever sins they commit in life and unlesou to monumentally fuck up life and refuse to repent then yeah, to the locusts and the abyss with you

>> No.5959347

Why don't you ask Dan?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJxAVcGgUIw

>> No.5959729

>>5959345
Inst this just Jehovas witness heresy? The same people who think that only 144,000 people will be able to go to heaven.

What basis do you make your claim of hell consiting of simply staying on earth?

>> No.5960005

>>5959310
>>5959332
Thank you! This is actually just what I was looking for. I love that they actually quote verses of the Bible instead of just saying "well that's the way it is."

>>5959347
I asked him on twitter but he said he forgot where the sample came from :(

>> No.5960105

>>5960005
Also be sure to chech out catholic answers for an interesting comparison.

>> No.5960157

>>5960005
>I love that they actually quote verses of the Bible instead of just saying "well that's the way it is."

Do you find it interesting that the overwhelming majority of the bibles claims are based on "well thats the way it is" reasoning?

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>> No.5962204

because thats just the way he is. God works in mysterious ways.

>> No.5962213

>>5962204
this. He is god, he doesn't have to explain shit.