/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.5949724]

Does /lit/ believe in god(s)? Let's see.
http://strawpoll.me/3336696

[Anonymous No.5949767]

Define your terms, fuccboi.

[Anonymous No.5949777]

>>5949724
No.

[Anonymous No.5949785]

Not really, but I'm more sympathetic to theism

[Anonymous No.5949828]

>no option for agnosticism

[Anonymous No.5949838]

>>5949828
Agnosticism has nothing to do with the question. Do you believe, or do you not. OP doesn't want to know whether you're ready to accept the possibility.

[Anonymous No.5949844]

>>5949838
Agnostics don't believe and they don't disbelieve so I literally can't answer the question.

[Anonymous No.5949845]

>>5949838
fuck off you edy contrarian atheist. lewronggeneration right? youre such a meme.

[Anonymous No.5949851]

>>5949724
LOL this is 4chan, we hate all religions. Atheism is the truth.

[Anonymous No.5949865]

>>5949844
So their answer to the question would be "I dunno lol"?

>>5949845
>youre such a meme.
>lelelelellelel #edge #angst #maverick fuck off edge lord xDDDD
The elitism is strong in this one.

[Anonymous No.5949866]

>>5949851
>>>/b/

[Anonymous No.5949870]

>>5949845
Fucking what?

[Anonymous No.5949885]

>>5949844
>Agnostics don't believe and they don't disbelieve

Read a fucking book

[Anonymous No.5949892]

>>5949865
Why are you learning about agnosticism just now? How are you so idiotic you've never considered it?

A pure, pragmatic agnostic doesn't even let the question enter his life.

[Anonymous No.5949893]

>>5949870
/r/athiesm

Lets clear /lit/ of retardation and claim it as a Christian boards. Atheism is literally a mental disease.

[Anonymous No.5949900]

>>5949885
I have, how is that wrong?

[Anonymous No.5949901]

>>5949893
i'm not sure how it is.. could you explain

[Anonymous No.5949906]

>>5949851
>Atheism is the truth.
>using 'truth' outside of Model Theory

Oh Lord

[Anonymous No.5949907]

>>5949901
only retards believe in it ergo its a diesease

[Anonymous No.5949917]

>>5949851
4chan is mostly Christian. Haven't you realized that we hate atheism by all the hate they get here? tips fedora

[Anonymous No.5949919]

>>5949900
Agnosticism isn't a position on if you believe in god or not. It's about whether you're able to know something with 100% certainty

[Anonymous No.5949928]

>>5949917
>Hurrrr fucking durrr
Shut up. You don't believe in the retardation that is the story of jesus. stop shitposting, constantly, you ridiculous fucking moron.

[Anonymous No.5949929]

>>5949917

>4chan is mostly Christian

My keks have just gone in orbit.

[Anonymous No.5949934]

That's a really bad account on Atheism but I figure it's a troll image anyway.

[Anonymous No.5949937]

>>5949919
Right, so judgment is effectively suspended, thus rendering the question of belief or disbelief impossible to answer.

Use your fucking head.

[Anonymous No.5949938]

>>5949724

>in the beginning there was nothing. which exploded

strawman much? I've never heard atheists actually say this. This is what theists accuse atheists of being for.

All the atheists i know say they don't know how the universe came about and aren't willing to use the god of the gaps argument to explain how it came about.

"i don't know how the universe came about, so god must have done it"

this is basically the thought process of a theist idiot

[Anonymous No.5949941]

>>5949724
Atheism: has absolutely not a single fucking thing to do with the Big Bang or any other theory on how the universe started. Stop confusing a denial of deities with science.

[Anonymous No.5949956]

>>5949938
Fighting strawmen with strawmen, good job anon, you make Dawkins and the Mormons proud.

[Anonymous No.5949962]

>>5949724


>in the beginning there was nothing. which exploded

isn't this what theists believe? they believe god came from nothing. where did god come from
?

what is the purpose of a god anyway? what was he doing before creation? nothing? just floating in the void?

[Anonymous No.5949966]

>>5949941
thats the point, athiests have no credibility because they can't show why the universe happened. Christianity proves a clear and logical explanation

[Anonymous No.5949967]

>>5949962
>isn't this what theists believe? they believe god came from nothing. where did god come from
God is beyond time, according to theists. He is everything, so therefor he didn't begin or end.

[Anonymous No.5949968]

>>5949956

point out my strawman

every argument a christian makes is a god of the gaps argument.

[Anonymous No.5949973]

This bait is just crazy enough to work.

[Anonymous No.5949975]

>>5949968
Are you being this retarded intentionally?
You have to be. You can't be serious.

[Anonymous No.5949977]

>>5949973
And it attracted a great number of butthurt atheists who decided to fight the retarded picture with equally retarded arguments.

[Anonymous No.5949979]

>>5949907
which is evidently not true.. so again, why?

[Anonymous No.5949983]

>>5949967

Eternal god

why would there even be such a being? It's existence would be absurd if it existed because it would just exist for the sake of existing. What the fuck is the purpose of a god?

[Anonymous No.5949987]

>>5949956
I don't think you know what "strawmen" means. Conflating atheism with a cosmological model is idiotic and uncalled for. Theists are the only ones we can assume to be dedicated to a certainty of how the universe started. Even cosmologists are still looking for evidence and refining theories: why should that crap be chained to religion?

[Anonymous No.5949996]

>>5949893
Just out of curiosity for how the other side lives: how did come to the conclusion that I'm an atheist?

[Anonymous No.5949999]

It's funny /lit/ is probably the most religious board on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.5950006]

I don't think people read on here as much as they say based on how dumb they are

[Anonymous No.5950007]

Christianity is the only moral belief, morals that stem from god himself

[Anonymous No.5950018]

>>5950006
agreed, but I have a feeling all these "athiests" are just trolls trying to gank replies.

[Anonymous No.5950026]

>>5950007
like the very moral founded commandment of you shall have no other god before me?

[Anonymous No.5950031]

>>5950006
>watching pathetic childrens cartoons
>thinking you're some kind of supreme being

LMFAO

[Anonymous No.5950032]

>>5950018
Yeah, the responses are too dumb to be on /lit/ from non-trolls.
Or we are having an invasion of /pol/ atheists.

[Anonymous No.5950035]

>>5950007

>ignores other cultures that had no christianity and are pretty moral(even more moral than christian cultures)

What about confucius and plato, you fucking christian retards? they talked about morality and they weren't christians.

[Anonymous No.5950039]

is pantheism a god(s)

[Anonymous No.5950043]

Why should I become a Christian if I'm already full of joy to be alive and at peace with death?

[Anonymous No.5950045]

>>5950031

>believings in a 2 thousand year old cartoon(jesus)
>bashes anime

am i the only one who finds irony here?

At least having a waifu is less homosexual than worshipping a man named jesus

[Anonymous No.5950053]

>>5950045

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUeVyqo8Vew

video related

[Anonymous No.5950055]

>>5949828
>>5949844
>Being this uneducated

Pick a side, because you belong to one or the other.

[Anonymous No.5950057]

>>5949937
"Belief" is not a default attitude, no matter how many times you keep repeating it to yourself.

[Anonymous No.5950062]

>>5950043
How are you at peace with death if you're still alive?

[Anonymous No.5950067]

>>5950039
Yes.

[Anonymous No.5950076]

>>5950039
No.

[Anonymous No.5950077]

>>5950055
>Not giving those four options

[Anonymous No.5950078]

>>5950062
I've accepted that I and everything I've done is mortal. That's all. For now, I can feel joy looking out my window or laying on the ground and looking at the sky.

Perhaps peace is the wrong word. I should say that I no longer fear death.

[Anonymous No.5950082]

>>5950055
this is some next level shit

[Anonymous No.5950086]

>>5949907
But I think you're a retard. Which one of us is right?

[Anonymous No.5950096]

>>5949975
No, point out his straw man. Just do it, for the sake of civil debate.

[Anonymous No.5950098]

>In the beginning there was nothing, and out of nothing came a giant faggot, and that giant faggot created a world, filled with a bunch of faggots made in his image.

[Anonymous No.5950108]

>>5950043
you don't want to go to hell for eternity do you?

[Anonymous No.5950110]

>>5950096
The thing you need to learn is that discussing with retards never leads anywhere so there is no point.

[Anonymous No.5950112]

>>5950078
How old are you? I don't believe you've fully overcome your fear of death. You need to actually look death in the face to understand and accept it. A faggot "intellectual" in the 21st century western world will not have overcome his fear of death. Do you think your literature has enlightened you? No it hasn't. Wait til you actually have a brush with death, and you'll see that you did fear for your life.

[Anonymous No.5950114]

>>5950086
god side or your side hmmm..

no really fuck off retard

[Anonymous No.5950118]

>>5950108

>you don't want to go to hell for eternity do you?

why not? satan is going to reward his followers with drunken orgies and such, not punish them like christians want you to believe.

[Anonymous No.5950119]

>>5950112
Perhaps I'm mistaking an acceptance of death with finding joy in living.

[Anonymous No.5950121]

>>5950114
How can be sure you're more right than I am? Seriously, what makes you so positive that you have the right view of things? Are you completely sure right now?

[Anonymous No.5950132]

>>5950112
How do you look death in the face?

[Anonymous No.5950135]

>>5950110

you can't point out my strawman because i didn't make one. that's why you won't point it out

[Anonymous No.5950149]

>>5950132
Come close to experiencing it.

[Anonymous No.5950151]

>>5950135
Nah, it's because you are a fucking idiot who for some reason ended up on /lit/ and hasn't read a fucking book sice that one Nietzche work you read 2 years ago.

[Anonymous No.5950156]

>>5950149
How do you experience something by being close to experiencing it? How do you come close to experiencing non-experience?

[Anonymous No.5950159]

>>5950112
I love my life, but I understand that some day I will not have it. Instead of feeling despair because it will eventually be gone, I realized that I was despairing because I desired things like fame (and as an extension of that, immortality), intelligence, or material goods- things that were all temporary. I also viewed it as somewhat selfish to expect some sort of universal meaning or moral code from the universe or immortality, and figured that I should instead just live until I die and be honest with myself and others. I may still 'fear death', but I no longer dread it as an eventual thing. It's difficult to explain, and didn't come from any sort of book or person.

[Anonymous No.5950161]

>atheists winning
reddit infiltration at work

[Anonymous No.5950162]

>>5949724
Let me clear this up for you less scientifically proficient people.

Christianity: In the beginning there was an ultimate being which created everything.

Atheism: Due to the fact that the universe is space-time (ie time is a part of the universe, not external to it), it is meaningless to talk about the universe as if it can be acted on (this would require an external temporal dimension). Thus, it is meaningless to talk about the cause of the universe. Restated, a cause requires two states of affairs, corresponding to a cause and an effect, separated by time, the transition between which is the causation. Because there can have been no time 'before' the Big Bang (much as there is no book before page zero), the universe has, and can have, no cause.
So it is misleading to say 'In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.'. Instead, we arrive at the conclusion that the existence of the universe is self-coherent - it does not require anything external to explain its existence. If you find this unpleasant, get rekt, because this is a very simple conclusion to draw following Minkowski's reformulation of Special Relativity as showing that the universe is four-dimensional, and relativity is one of the most successful theories we have.

[Anonymous No.5950163]

>>5950151
Or it could be because you are putting up an ad hominem and don't want to be a hypocrite.

[Anonymous No.5950165]

>>5950132

kill yourself. that's how

[Anonymous No.5950169]

>>5950165
How Is Death Real If Our Eyes Aren't Real?

[Anonymous No.5950171]

>>5950151
That's some wild projecting. Do you have anything else to say, friend?

[Anonymous No.5950178]

>>5950156
Do you actually not understand what I'm saying here, or are you just being needlessly analytical?

[Anonymous No.5950183]

I don't even think people on here are christians. They are nihilistic atheists who don't give a fuck about atheism pretending to be christian to troll atheists who care about atheism.

[Anonymous No.5950185]

>>5950121
because I side with the one who is all knowing.

[Anonymous No.5950190]

>>5950178
How can you be needlessly analytical when you're analyzing?

[Anonymous No.5950193]

>>5950185
Why do you think the God you believe in exists? Why are we stupid for not believing in him? Is every single person on earth who is not a Christian also stupid? Do you realize why this point of view is problematic?

[Anonymous No.5950194]

>>5949828
>not understanding agnosticism
>yet complaining about lack of option
>implying you view yourself as an agnostic


I used to be like you. Then I did ten minutes of research/thinking.

[Anonymous No.5950195]

>>5950162
I have always tried to explain how retarded the concept of a being who created the entire idea of time and yet punishes people is.

[Anonymous No.5950197]

>>5950151

I never read nietzsche.

my atheism is not dependent on what i have read. I was born a secular-minded person.

[Anonymous No.5950199]

>>5950183
My estimate is that there are 10% of religious Catholics here with another 5% orthodox and another 5% protestant. 15% of other religions including deists and sef made beliefs.

[Anonymous No.5950205]

>>5950197
You have to be trolling.

[Anonymous No.5950206]

>>5950199
Bro, 4chan in general is largely American protestant. Catholics are largely more secular, accepting people these days anyway.

[Anonymous No.5950210]

>>5950206
4chan maybe, I'm talking about /lit/ in partucular.

[Anonymous No.5950213]

>>5950161
>le ebin meme guise xDDDDD
>not realising that, outside of murica, the majority of the civilised world is atheist

Maybe America just isn't so civilised then

[Anonymous No.5950217]

>>5950205

nope

I always thought religion was ridiculous even when i was a kid.

I remember going to church and seeing adults pray and thought they were idiots. Why do have to bow your head and put your hands together in order for a god to hear you? that's retarded

if god is all-knowing, why do you have to pray? god should all ready know what you want.

[Anonymous No.5950219]

>>5950213
Define 'civilized world,' and provide statistics to back up your claim.

[Anonymous No.5950220]

>>5950210
/lit/ is mostly christian

[Anonymous No.5950228]

>>5950217
>I remember going to church and seeing adults pray and thought they were idiots. Why do have to bow your head and put your hands together in order for a god to hear you? that's retarded
You don't, in the same way that you don't need to sit down and cross your legs and close your eyes to mediate. Associating a mental action with a physical one often helps you get into a certain mindset more easily. You don't have to do anything specific for God to hear you.

[Anonymous No.5950231]

>>5950217
You my friend win the most retarded comment of the week award. This is seriously the dumbest, most /b/ tier opinion I've seen in a while.

[Anonymous No.5950232]

>>5950219
>civilization must be predominantly atheist if outside of America
I guess that makes America the most civilzied country on Earth, since it is both civilized and predominantly theist.

[Anonymous No.5950233]

>>5950213
Most "christians" in america are #yolo swaggots who just repeat what their parents told then

[Anonymous No.5950236]

>>5950220
Don't think it is, large percentage of them sure, that's plain, but not above 30%.

[Anonymous No.5950239]

>>5950217
yeah, I was brought up catholic but in my teens it just started to seem more ridiculous as I got older. Why would and all knowing and powerful being demand that you go worship him by going to church, isn't he supposed to be humble? Things like that just keep piling on until you just can't take it seriously any more.

[Anonymous No.5950240]

>>5950213
This. No one cares about God in Europe.

[Anonymous No.5950247]

>>5950178
An answer that isn't a question: no, I don't understand what you're saying, that's why I'm asking.

[Anonymous No.5950248]

>>5950240
Poland, Italy. Part of France.

[Anonymous No.5950252]

>>5950232
>implying theism means you're more civilised

[Anonymous No.5950254]

>>5950057
What? The default attitude is apatheism.
>>5950055
That chart is unbelievably retarded and I refuse to talk with anyone who utilizes it. You cannot be an 'agnostic theist', or an 'agnostic atheist' they are both oxymorons.

[Anonymous No.5950255]

>>5950240
But they do, its the biggest religion there. Atheism was just a one time thing I think. Christianity is on the rebound in Europe and within our lifetimes I think we will see the church return to power.

[Anonymous No.5950256]

>>5950219
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/23/most-religious-countries-least-religious_n_3640033.html

>majority of religious countries in Africa/Middle East
>non-religious countries: Germany, Austria, Ireland (but also China)

[Anonymous No.5950258]

>>5950255

christianity is dying out in europe. You are in denial.

[Anonymous No.5950260]

>>5950248
>Poland, Italy
no one cares about what the Poles or South-Italians think
>part of France
lel no

[Anonymous No.5950261]

>>5950256
China discredits the "civilized" countries. The rich and cultured are always religious while the lower class are atheists.

[Anonymous No.5950262]

>>5950254
>People cannot choose to belive or disbelive in something but know that they cannot truly know if their belief is correct.
Why not? Do you have a different definition of agnostic?

[Anonymous No.5950263]

>>5950258
I'm Catholic, religious one at that and it's true, it is dying and this pope is killing it.

[Anonymous No.5950265]

>>5950258
europe will die with christianity

[Anonymous No.5950269]

Yes but only in the sense that virtue is absolute and universal. Kind of like karma, but karma always gets misinterpreted as "hurr step on a butterfly and a building will collapse on you". Both the definitions of God and karma have been ruined by lazy people.

No afterlife though.

[Anonymous No.5950270]

>>5950265
Also true.

[Anonymous No.5950271]

>>5950263

>this pope

it was dying before pope francis

[Anonymous No.5950274]

>>5950263
fuck, I hate the new pope. He is so "lel libural" new age church. Any traditionalist pope would curb stomp him.

[Anonymous No.5950275]

>>5950213
The civilized world is generally very sinful as well.

[Anonymous No.5950280]

>>5950269
how come i only see these people on the internet? I've never once encountered a SJW or a militant atheist in real life.

[Anonymous No.5950282]

>>5950274
No, any traditional pope would be a bishop at best, most likely a forgotten priest somewhere in Bumfuck Reddrapes, Ireland.

[Anonymous No.5950287]

I believe in Japanese gods ("kamis" in Japanese). I'm not even Japanese, though, lol.

[Anonymous No.5950290]

>>5950287
>faggotry

[Anonymous No.5950293]

>>5950271
But this pope is helping to kill it faster with an evil intent. Instead of a new counterreformatiom we get a feelgood all is fine hippie pope.

[Anonymous No.5950294]

>>5949893
you got it backwards brah

[Anonymous No.5950298]

>>5950282
Benedict was a traditional pope, and was doing ok.

[Anonymous No.5950302]

>>5950298
Other than the fact that he looked like Emperor Palpatine of course.

[Anonymous No.5950309]

>>5950302
>implying that was a bad thing :D

[Anonymous No.5950314]

>>5950309
> :D

[Anonymous No.5950328]

>>5950185
- ISIS operative

[Anonymous No.5950332]

>>5949893
>Atheism is literally a mental disease.
>Edgy angsty fedora kids from /r/atheism start irradiating people with their ego.
>People's DNA and brains are damaged by the radiation.
>People start getting aggressively religious and retarded.
>hurr durr #edge #angst #godisatyrant i'm le maistre du sarcasme >:DD
>This is the fate that fedoras have laid upon us.

[Anonymous No.5950336]

>>5949919
Actually it is a position of if you believe in god or not. It's effectively 'I do not believe' which differs from "I believe He doesn't exist'.

[Anonymous No.5950338]

>>5950332
>Realise that this is in fact theism and not atheism.
>yfw the game has just begun.
>yfw it's happening.

[Anonymous No.5950344]

>>5950162
physics major working towards his phd and atheist here

that is the most bullshit of all fucking justifications I've seen, please stick to your one minute physics videos

[Anonymous No.5950364]

>>5950344
>I study physics hurr your argument is invalid durr.
tellingliesontheinternet.png

[Anonymous No.5950365]

>>5950298
>Benedict was a traditional pope, and was doing ok.
he was a fucking useless prick, what exactly did he fucking do to "reinforce christian values?"

[Anonymous No.5950373]

>>5950344
yeah, definitely, where do i go wrong
for the record, i also study physics

[Anonymous No.5950377]

>>5949724
How is the Christianity in pic related any less ridiculous at all?

[Anonymous No.5950379]

>>5950262
Belief os disbelief is done with 100% certainty, I don't understand. Does your brain not function or something. Actually think about it. Christianity says you need to give your whole heart and soul into Christ. This is true for any religion, it encompasses your being and you believe in it 100%. Otherwise it would not be a religion.

[Anonymous No.5950385]

>>5949851
go away faggot

[Anonymous No.5950395]

>>5950379
That's actually complete bullshit.

[Anonymous No.5950399]

>>5950365
Did you check out his books?

[Anonymous No.5950401]

>>5950395
It's just logical. I'm using simple logic here and evidence from various religions.

[Anonymous No.5950410]

>>5950373
>there can have been no time 'before' the Big Bang (much as there is no book before page zero)
revisit this statement

[Anonymous No.5950411]

>>5950401
I would like to see this evidence.

[Anonymous No.5950416]

>>5949724
>believes there was a beginning

Also this:
>>5949767

I want to see the results but must decline to offer an answer until this is done.

[Anonymous No.5950420]

I dunno, I've been looking into Astrophysics recently as well as doing some meditation, and it's kind of really made me believe in a God.
Maybe not a Christian God, but at some point I believe intelligent design was used.
I mean, shit, look at everything, then look at yourself, and inside yourself. Your conciousness and self awareness in itself, in my opinion at least, is proof that, at the very least, we each have the essence of God inside us.

[Anonymous No.5950428]

>>5950420
Well, it took some semi-intelligent design to make this website.

[Anonymous No.5950429]

>>5950420
>Your conciousness and self awareness in itself, in my opinion at least, is proof that, at the very least, we each have the essence of God inside us.
Is that what was meant when it was said that we are made in God's image?

[Anonymous No.5950434]

>>5950379
That is because agnostics don't belong to a religion.

>>5950420
What sort of god would that be?

>>5950429
No, it meant we physically resemble him.

[Anonymous No.5950447]

>>5950411
Read the Holy Bible, read the Qu'ran, read pretty much any religious text. Communism is referred to as a religion for this very reason.

[Anonymous No.5950454]

>atheists leading by 42 percent
How foolish

[Anonymous No.5950461]

>>5950447
That's not what I was asking. I was asking for your evidence, not for the name of two books of late religions. Link me to the exact parts that justify your definition of religion.

[Anonymous No.5950464]

>>5950447
>The Holy Bible and the Qur'ran talk about communism.
No, anon.
No.

[Anonymous No.5950468]

>>5950420
Furthermore, a theory I don't exactly subscribe to but came to mind while on acid:
>universe is infinite
>time is infinite
>both are aspects of the mind of some sort of infinite being
>humans can't properly process the idea of infinity because we haven't transcended to the point of infinite memory yet

>>5950429
While it's often interpreted to be literal in that we look like him, I think that's what Christianity was trying to say, that we are blessed with the ability to create due to our self-awareness, much like God.
That being said, almost 2000 years of philosophy would disagree with me

>>5950434
I couldn't tell ya, to be honest. Were I not so exhausted I could maybe give you an answer but as it stands I don't really know

[Anonymous No.5950471]

>>5949724
I've tried to explain this to people, but all the labels don't really fit me (inb4 edgy hipster faggot) I'll attempt to elucidate.

Whether God exists or not is not at all in question for me. God has nothing to do with religion to me. ''God'' (borrowing the name from religion, I'll give you that) is simply that which is unexplainable, that which surpasses our understanding as humans, it's the only reason it can be called ''God''.

What people have done is taken this concept of the unknoweable, and started giving it a will, we made it an acting entity with laws that we have to follow etc. It's like we took that which is beyond our grasp and enslaved it to enslave ourselves to it.

I guess this fits the whole agnostic thing, but everytime you start labels like these you're never talking about God, you're talking about religion, and that just doesn't sit well with me.

[Anonymous No.5950474]

>>5950461
Those two books encompass all three of the Abrahamic religions. I'm sure there are exact passages referring to a believer's faith in Christ (and by the way faith is, by definition, 100% belief).

Also, in the cases of most religions, especially those already mentioned, 100% belief is just sort of a feeling you get from reading them. Just from your responses though, I am sure you have not done this, you just most likely read Dawkins or something like that.

[Anonymous No.5950475]

>>5950464
>buttmad lesuperior commies reporting

[Anonymous No.5950477]

>>5950468
>universe is infinite
unbounded != infinite

[Anonymous No.5950482]

>>5950464
Because that's what I was trying to say with that post...

[Anonymous No.5950483]

>>5950474
>he hasn't read the Talmud

[Anonymous No.5950488]

>>5950474
There are other religions, anon. Your "just a feeling" is irrelevant, you said you had evidence. Take me to your evidence.

[Anonymous No.5950493]

>>5950488
I don't feel like going to find it, plus this is ridiculous, anyone who has read those texts understands exactly what I mean. Faith is essential for those religions.

[Anonymous No.5950495]

>>5949937
Fuck, you're a dumb cunt.
Agnosticism refers only to an understanding that you cannot KNOW whether God/gods exist. You can have a theist agnostic who cedes that cannot know their concept of God/gods exist, but believe in its/their existence. Similarly, you can have an atheist agnostic who believes such entities do not exist, but cede that they cannot know whether they are right. Do you fucking get it now, you dense motherfucker?

[Anonymous No.5950498]

>>5950495
Nope, doesn't logically make sense.

[Anonymous No.5950503]

>>5950493
What of the other religions, anon? I was not asking about whether the Abrahamic religions demand 100% faith from its followers, I was asking what you based your assertion that all religion must demand 100% faith in order to be called a religion on. You said that you had evidence that all religions demand 100% faith from its followers. Take me to your evidence.

[Anonymous No.5950509]

>>5949937

faith is not 100% belief, someone who believes something requires absolutely no faith.

[Anonymous No.5950510]

>>5950495
Never mind someone already gave this to you in a pic and you simply refuse to accept that you were wrong about the definitions of the terms. You are a fucking waste of oxygen, water, food, and whatever other resources you use.

[Anonymous No.5950513]

>>5950510
Cum and feces.

[Anonymous No.5950519]

>>5950509
>>5950503
>The word religion is sometimes used interchangeably with faith, belief system or sometimes set of duties
Wikipedia definition idiots. Immanuel Kant.

[Anonymous No.5950541]

>>5950468
>universe is infinite
No.

>time is infinite
No.

>both are aspects of the mind of some sort of infinite being
No.

>humans can't properly process the idea of infinity because we haven't transcended to the point of infinite memory yet
It is impossible to have infinite memory.

>I think that's what Christianity was trying to say, that we are blessed with the ability to create due to our self-awareness, much like God.
Define "create".

>I couldn't tell ya, to be honest. Were I not so exhausted I could maybe give you an answer but as it stands I don't really know
lol rephrase this; it seems as if the person who wrote it was high when he did.

>''God'' (borrowing the name from religion, I'll give you that) is simply that which is unexplainable, that which surpasses our understanding as humans, it's the only reason it can be called ''God''.
That is called the incognoscible. God is a deity which is supposed to become fully cognoscible after transcending to Heaven or reaching whatever spiritual state is ideal in the religion.
Pro-tip: Stop trying to change the meanings of words to make your bullshit make sense.

>>5950498
Why not?

>>5950510
>You are a fucking waste of oxygen, water, food, and whatever other resources you use.
:DD

[Anonymous No.5950545]

>>5950498
How does it not make sense? As a parallel example, say I catch a fish, and its huge, like fucking monstrous. I could believe it to be the biggest fish ever caught in the history of man, but I could never know that for a certainty. Now do you understand?

[Anonymous No.5950548]

>>5950541
This was meant for >>5950471
>>''God'' (borrowing the name from religion, I'll give you that) is simply that which is unexplainable, that which surpasses our understanding as humans, it's the only reason it can be called ''God''.
>That is called the incognoscible. God is a deity which is supposed to become fully cognoscible after transcending to Heaven or reaching whatever spiritual state is ideal in the religion.
>Pro-tip: Stop trying to change the meanings of words to make your bullshit make sense.

[Anonymous No.5950549]

>>5950519
I too hate Wikipedia definition idiots. By the way, where did you get that definition?

[Anonymous No.5950551]

>>5950454
I'm actually surprised it's so one-sided
Feels weird being the minority

[Anonymous No.5950577]

Not bothering to read through all the shitposting that undoubtedly comprises this thread, also not voting, can someone please tell me what the results are at the moment?

[Anonymous No.5950578]

>>5950549
Wikipedia, idiot.
>>5950545
>>5950541
> I could believe it to be the biggest fish ever caught in the history of man, but I could never know that for a certainty.
That would make you an idiot.

Besides, you're missing the point of religion. Religion is rationalizing something that cannot be provable to a 100% certainty to people who then believe it. That is religion, and that is why it requires faith. If you 'believe' in any other way, you are half-assedly going about religion, which means you are an unbeliever, essentially.

[Anonymous No.5950588]

>>5950578
Right, now how does it in any way prove your assertion that a religion must demand 100% belief and faith in order to be a religion?

[Anonymous No.5950596]

>>5950551
>He still doesn't realize he's just part of a dying cult and retarded
>He thinks meme shitposting means he isn't a delusional faggot

Hahahahahaha *tips fedora*

[Anonymous No.5950612]

I can't believe 30% of you are raging autists.

[Anonymous No.5950616]

>>5950578
I'm done. You're too thick for me to concern myself with you.

[Anonymous No.5950654]

>>5950471
I find that a "God" can only exist as something unknowable for people. If people know what "God" is, the "God" would no longer hold as much power; thus, this understanding may give way to the defiance of any religious order. What is "God" in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam would be past knowledgable according to the type of faith each religion commands. I agree as much in that a "God" is described in a way as something that is not fully understandable, if at all. I find one fault in your post in which there is an assumption of the intentions the originators of the belief systems incorporated with the demands of a "God".

[Anonymous No.5950664]

>>5950548
>Pro-tip: Stop trying to change the meanings of words to make your bullshit make sense.

Right, in that case replace God with the incognoscible in my post. People have confused the incognoscible with God. (at least every explanation in every church and every strictly religious family member/teacher/friends I have ever talked to would make you think so)

I don't see how it's bullshit at all. What does God have to do with religion? It's an entity that's been abused for religion, with people claiming to know its will. To see it as anything else you'd have to be religious, in which case we can start citing the experiment of the set of messiah complex lunatics put in a cell together and everyone else's favourite reddit arguments.

The whole question is silly to begin with, there are myriad gods according to people, nobody answers this question with all gods in mind, etc.

[Anonymous No.5950675]

>>5950578
I'm >>5950541, not >>5950545

>Besides, you're missing the point of religion.
Actual agnostics do not care about or believe in religions. They are agnostics, not Christians, Muslims, or Jews, agnostics.

>If you 'believe' in any other way, you are half-assedly going about religion, which means you are an unbeliever, essentially.
No true Scotsman and black-and-white fallacy in one package? Whoa!

[Anonymous No.5950677]

>>5950654
>I find one fault in your post in which there is an assumption of the intentions the originators of the belief systems incorporated with the demands of a "God".

I agree it might come across that way, I'm not saying there is an entity or group of people deliberately creating these rules or laws, it's organic and grows over time, I think the thousands of religions testify for this. But reading the OT alone shows how God wills everything, how almost anything that happens is justified by God's pressence, aid or punishment (save Esther, which is why I really like the book).

[Anonymous No.5950686]

>don't believe in the big bang
>hasn't read about particle accelerators

These always seem to go hand in hand.

[Anonymous No.5950688]

>>5950675
>Actual agnostics do not care about or believe in religions.
I never postulated they did
The black and white fallacy doesn't apply when you're talking about something that requires 100% absolute belief like religion.

[Anonymous No.5950691]

>mfw Christians are the new fedoras

[Anonymous No.5950702]

>>5950688
How is schizophrenia treating you?

[Anonymous No.5950706]

>>5950686
The argument could revert to the faulty cliche, "God works in mysterious ways." A "God" may be a manipulator of all things that exist everywhere, or everything itself.