>there are people on /lit/ who actually believe in god What the fuck

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Anonymous Fri Dec 19 05:21:28 2014 No.5880335 [DELETED]

>there are people on /lit/ who actually believe in god

What the fuck

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 05:24:27 2014 No.5880340 nice thumbnail retard

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 05:24:46 2014 No.5880343 i don't

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 05:25:02 2014 No.5880345 Which one do you object so strongly to belief in?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 10:15:46 2014 No.5880923 Inb4 application of torque to headwear

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>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 10:20:17 2014 No.5880932 File: 107 KB, 640x480, zNcNKQU.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5880335 le tipping of le fedora like le kind gentlesir

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 10:20:28 2014 No.5880935 >>5880335 >there are people on /lit/ who actually don't realize atheism is its own faith orientation

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 10:30:48 2014 No.5880968 >>5880335 Erudition comes with the infinite.

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 13:11:07 2014 No.5881317
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>>5880935
Atheism is an assumption arising when you apply Occam's razor to the Universe. Faith is an assumption arising from wishful thinking. I still have to see a rational argument for god.

>>	Paradise !!vh7XQhHe/pR Fri Dec 19 13:12:39 2014 No.5881321 >>5881317 >occam's razor >implying having an actual explanation in the first place, for it to be simplest

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 13:14:03 2014 No.5881327 >>5880345 Are you implying OP is objecting about a belief in one particular god? >religitards are this retarded

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 13:15:06 2014 No.5881330 YouTube comments/thread

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 13:15:55 2014 No.5881332 I'll pray for you OP. May God make you reconsider your atheism and fedora wearing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 13:16:14 2014 No.5881334 >>5881317 >have to see a rational argument for something that operates on belief where belief is literally the only thing that matters why are atheists so dumb and yes you're free to believe in a giant space rat

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 13:26:27 2014 No.5881364 >>5881317 what about Pascal's Wager ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 13:31:20 2014 No.5881384 >>5880335 >My opinions are objective truths of the universe >Why do seemingly intelligent people disagree? WTF So when do you plan on growing up?

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 13:32:45 2014 No.5881386

>>5881364
The problem with Pascal's wager is the infinite amount of possibilities of god. On which god to wager, what's the outcome if you're betting on the wrong horse/god etc. Also what about a negative payout ? Like if god is actually satan, then not believing in him may have a better payout. Pascal's wager only works if there is a very definitive idea of god.

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 13:39:39 2014 No.5881404
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>>5881334
It's not so simple. Most theists believe god is MEASURABLE is some way. Meaning it has an effect on the universe other than creating it. Obviously if you use a "god of the gap" who operates only as a creator deity than physics can no longer make any statements simply because god happened before physics and has not interfered since.

>>	=^.^= Fri Dec 19 13:39:56 2014 No.5881405 >>5881386 Someone post the big chart of pascals wager

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 13:41:03 2014 No.5881407 >there are people on /lit/ who pretend to ftfy

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 13:42:11 2014 No.5881411 >>5881386 There is only one God. And God isn't Lucifer

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 13:43:45 2014 No.5881417 File: 196 KB, 768x954, temptation of st anthony - Salvator Rosa, 1645.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Christian here. ask me anything

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 13:44:46 2014 No.5881420

>>5881386
So much this.
I was just recently thinking about this.
How do we know that the abrahamic god is the real god?
You know how many religions were there in distant past, that are completely forgotten. What if one of those was actually the right one???
Plus it's pretty obvious that the christian, or at leats chatolic god, will come back to judge the living and the dead. So if he's real, you can still get into heaven if you present your case the right way in front of court...

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 13:46:33 2014 No.5881424 >>5881417 what are your opinions of kierkegaard, karl barth, paul tillich, communism, irony, and neo-orthodoxy?

Paradise As A Man !FihZin46u2 Fri Dec 19 13:47:33 2014 No.5881428

>>5881417
Why don't you devote your life to God and become a monk. This dude is omnipotent, omnipresent etc., if I believed in him I'd walk around astounded that such a being is with me constantly, right now as I type this, and loves me in a way I cannot comprehend, I would definitely become a monk, it would be fucking amazing to have faith. I almost wish I could be born ages ago to have it.

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 13:48:06 2014 No.5881430

>>5881411
But if he is Lucifer it would be better to be an atheist in life, at least you live happy and ignorant, Lucifer fucks you later anyway. Pascal's wager's weakness is simply that he assumes a very specific type of god, the Abrahamic god. In that case, being an atheist is clearly the wrong decision because the payout is negative in case of god existing but neutral in case of annihilation by death.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 14:01:11 2014 No.5881482 >>5881420 Because dialectic.

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 14:05:05 2014 No.5881500
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>>5881424
>Kierkegaard
based, his idea of a leap to faith and individuality in this world where we must seek God really resonated with me during me crisis of faith.

" When someone is to leap he must certainly do it alone and also be alone in properly understanding that it is an impossibility. … the leap is the decision. .... I am charging the individual in question with not willing to stop the infinity of reflection."

>karl barth
always heard about him, but I've gotten into his stuff yet. Will put him on my list now.

>paul tillich
never read, sorry. Will put him on my list as well.

>communism
I believe it works with around 150 people at make, but no more. Because of our so-called monkey-sphere, we just can't care about more people than that. Also I believe in charity, not forced redistribution that is so prevalent in common societies. Ultimately I am against it.

>irony
All to common nowadays and a shield for people to put on so as to free themselves from criticism. Nobody wants to be sincere because being sincere means putting yourself out there naked, and others may judge you.

>neo-orthodoxy
I am a fan of natural theology. I am an artist and I see God through beauty, nature, form, etc.

anyways thanks for kicking my ass into gear, good questions

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 14:09:15 2014 No.5881518

>>5881428
> I almost wish I could be born ages ago to have it.

Having faith has nothing to do with the time period you are born in. Few people even in the ages of faith became monks, and even fewer became good ones.

There is a prophecy that's about 1500 years old that says that before the end times people will say that it is harder to have faith and that it would be easy for them if they were living in an earlier age.

You come across as a hypocrite speaking like that. As though you can't have faith because it's unfashionable today, and something so weak as fashion keeps you from having faith, and yet you talk to others about becoming monks.

Nobody has any excuse for not having faith. All you have to do is ask for it and it is given to you. If you aren't a hypocrite then ask for it and it will be given.

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 14:11:47 2014 No.5881530
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>>5881428
>Why don't you devote your life to God and become a monk. This dude is omnipotent, omnipresent etc.

I have thought about it, but I feel a calling elsewhere. I want to worship God through art, to rejoice in his creation and show others beauty and God's divine order when perhaps they could not see it on their own. You should check out Van Gogh's letters, he actually says some really interesting stuff on theology and art, as he was a missionary for a while and thought about becoming a pastor. I just think I can best serve Him through the creation of art.

> if I believed in him I'd walk around astounded that such a being is with me constantly, right now as I type this, and loves me in a way I cannot comprehend,

I do, anon. I really do. Sometimes I'm down and I forget his love for me, but I know he hasn't forgotten me at all.

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 14:17:37 2014 No.5881553

>>5881404
>Most theists believe god is MEASURABLE is some way
That sounds like heresy, actually.
>than physics can no longer make any statements simply because god happened before physics and has not interfered since.
Actually, most theists don't deny that physics makes true statements.
You seem to know nothing about what you're talking about.

Paradisen !PPkcK/R6Ww Fri Dec 19 14:29:50 2014 No.5881601

>>5881518
>Having faith has nothing to do with the time period you are born in.
Of course it does. Of course there is a difference between faith and belief, and belief definitely has something to do with the times, because belief rests on evidence, and there's no "reason" to believe in God anymore. But I'd say faith still rests on it somewhat, I remember being a kid in the car driving home from a holiday, going 120mph, and I was worried but then I just became faithful in my dad's ability not to crash (whereas I didn't believe he couldn't crash). If we he was going 500mph, it would be harder to have faith.

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 14:31:23 2014 No.5881606

>>5880335
I am an atheist, but I am very interested in religion, specially christianity, because I have been raised in a catholic society and country. I find the ethics of christianity very interesting and pleseant, and I would love to embrace Jesus Christ and his teachings. But, here is the main thing: I can't think of a God, a personal God. How would you convince me of the existence of God? And is this emotion of wanting Jesus faith?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 14:32:41 2014 No.5881613 >>5881606 If you need to be convinced of God's existence, you don't have faith.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 14:35:27 2014 No.5881629 >>5881606 No one can convince you, you must have faith. Ask God for faith in earnest and the Holy Spirit will start working inside of you

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 14:35:36 2014 No.5881630

Brah, just call it "The Cosmic Mystery Principle" or something and you've got the samesies, you can go to the interfaith vegan potlucks and scoop up the unshaven bush.
It's actually like some energy force who's definition cannot but be omnipotent and omniscient.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 14:40:04 2014 No.5881641 >>5881629 >>5881613 And what does faith do?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 14:42:16 2014 No.5881648 >>5881629 will the holy spirit feel good up by bum? that's what my pastor said to me. i think he lied

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 14:49:02 2014 No.5881673 >>5881641 Faith doesn't 'do' anything except bring you closer to God. Faith is the quality of believing in and trusting God. It comes from acknowledging His existence and coming to know Him.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 14:54:05 2014 No.5881693 >>5881641 it allows the psyche to build a relationship between itself and god properly speaking it doesn't do anything, it is a presupposition for the primary religious relationship

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 14:57:26 2014 No.5881712 >>5881648 http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=1218

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 15:07:10 2014 No.5881743 File: 39 KB, 257x362, 1363213478025.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw arguing with atheists has only strengthened your faith

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 15:16:44 2014 No.5881777 File: 95 KB, 724x611, 1418865983160.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5881743 >tfw you realize how shitty all the atheist reasoning you were using back when you were an edgy high schooler was

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 15:17:33 2014 No.5881779 I'm an agnostic but I'm into theology. It's fascinating; I'd be sad if it disappeared from the board entirely

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 15:21:00 2014 No.5881794 >>5881518 Holy shit this guy rekd everyone in this thread so simple faggot atheists

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 15:25:02 2014 No.5881810 >>5881641 It's a Placebo. And thank God it works!!!! Come at me science, u can't explain it!

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 15:29:49 2014 No.5881823

>>5881317
No, atheism has nothing to do with Occam's razor, Occam's razor purely applies to physical-law confined reality. In reality without physical law, that is, reality "before" (figuratively) physical law, all explanations are just as simple and likely. But as a Hellenist, I think Chaos makes the most sense.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 15:34:46 2014 No.5881839 I believe in God because I like the idea of it.... same reason you believe the earth is round

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 15:36:22 2014 No.5881843 File: 100 KB, 777x932, 1364079800421.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5881839 >same reason you believe the earth is round

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 15:38:43 2014 No.5881851 >>5881843 Come at me

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 15:40:36 2014 No.5881856 Yeah they're really aggressive and posture really hard It's funny watching them "defend" their belief Sometimes they even mock atheists for having "irrational" beliefs, lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 15:47:56 2014 No.5881883 >>5881839 >I believe in God because I like the idea of it.... I like that.

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 15:48:08 2014 No.5881884

>>5881629
If you must have faith – which for it to remain faith, it would have to remain unanswered – then the Holy Spirit could not begin to work inside you. If it interfered with the physical realm in any measurable way, it would no longer be faith and would remove the merit of having faith.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 15:50:14 2014 No.5881889 >>5881856 >Sometimes they even mock atheists for having "irrational" beliefs, lol They wouldn't be wrong, just hypocrites.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 15:52:16 2014 No.5881892 >"We are the image of the God" If that is true, God must be a retarded to have unnecessary body. Why the hell he would have an anus? lel

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 15:52:22 2014 No.5881893

>>5881856
>Yeah they're really aggressive
Christian apologist (lol) here, I dislike those bible thumpers. They're really hypocritical.
>WHY DON'T YOU BELIEVE IN GOD, READ THE BIBLE YOU PIECE OF SHIT
Although some atheists I've argued with really like to make gross misinterpretations of bible verses

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 15:52:54 2014 No.5881896 >>5881889 There are rational atheists and rational theists, and irrational agnostics.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 15:54:36 2014 No.5881900 You guys should stop reading your edgy "spiritual books", and get your hands in a real scientific stuff.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 15:55:57 2014 No.5881907 >>5881893 Death of the Author, you can't misinterpret the Bible. That would imply there is a form of correctness, and Platonic forms, which is inherently dogmatic. Christianity is very clever in how it gets you to assume some things such as this.

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 15:58:58 2014 No.5881917

>>5881907
not that guy, but its not so much 'misinterpretation' as taking things out of context and misunderstanding things.

i.e.
>the bible says you can't wear mixed fabrics!!!!! you are not a real christian if you do!!

And they do not understand the difference between societal law for the Ancient Israelites, and moral law, the new Covenant that was created with Jesus' sacrifice, etc, etc.

Its hard to argue with people who are purposely stupid

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 16:00:28 2014 No.5881922

>>5881907
Maybe "misinterpret" was the wrong word

>Luke 14:26 If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.

Remember to hate your family, guys.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 16:02:18 2014 No.5881927 >>5881907 >Death of the Author, you can't misinterpret the Bible. That would imply there is a form of correctness, and Platonic forms, which is inherently dogmatic. oh i am laffin

Alice Fri Dec 19 16:02:22 2014 No.5881928

>>5881907

There is no stable interpretation of the bible, regardless of your theory of the author, because the bible often contradicts itself between books and between the old and new testament. Any reading that aims at stability has to be very logically baroque in order to reconcile these contradictions.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 16:02:53 2014 No.5881929 >>5881892 checkmate christians

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 16:37:44 2014 No.5882043
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>kek lmao rite like how can dose fags evn belib in a god. If der was a god he wudnt hav made me fat an ugly and always put me in da frendzone. If ererybody jus wached MLP erybody wud get a long

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 16:48:14 2014 No.5882061 >>5880935 Yes, but it's a fundamentally different faith orientation than every human religion. The leap of faith required to be an atheist is a fuck of a lot smaller than the leap of faith required to be any kind of theist.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 16:49:23 2014 No.5882064 File: 3 KB, 141x129, bitch.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5880335 >there are people on /lit/ who actually think Aristotle holds any literature/philosophical merit What the fuck

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 16:49:39 2014 No.5882065 >>5882043 >using reddit memes to combat reddit memes

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 16:51:21 2014 No.5882068

>>5882065
Welcome to /lit/

Where /pol/tards shit post, tumblrweenies come to write their diary, and redditors come because r/book is full of tweeny faggots and idiots who don't know jack about literature.

Go to reddit r/books, then throughout the day come here....

All the reddit posts get talked about on /lit/ a few hours after hitting r/books front page.

It's fucking awful.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 16:53:20 2014 No.5882075 File: 241 KB, 300x168, 1396558925225.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5880335 >there are people on /lit/ who actually read genre fiction What the fuck

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 17:33:44 2014 No.5882188

Fundamentally, with all fedora memes and dumb /pol/ shit aside, there is little reason to believe in anything without sufficient evidence. Furthermore, the burden of proof rests with the maker of the claim rather than the person contradicting it. In short, there is no rational reason for belief in a higher power

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 17:39:36 2014 No.5882206 >>5882188 this

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 17:42:56 2014 No.5882217 >>5882188 >there is little reason to believe in anything without sufficient evidence Got any evidence for this this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 17:43:00 2014 No.5882218 >>5880340 yeah, a larger version would have had so much more meaning

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 17:45:23 2014 No.5882230 >>5880335 You probably interpret the concept of God in the same way americans and 10 years old do. Please start reading some books.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 17:48:11 2014 No.5882246 >>5880935 Wrong. Gods are something coming from nothing without any reasonable scientific explanation. God is impossible.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 17:52:30 2014 No.5882272 >>5881518 >nobody has an excuse to have faith The vanity of it. When you're dead, you will be nothing and have wasted your intellect.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 17:54:31 2014 No.5882282 >>5882230 The true gods of the major religions are actually more unreasonable and barbaric than the gods of 10 year olds and Americans.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 17:55:37 2014 No.5882286 This is the same board that values Marxists and psychoanalysts over philosophers of science and mathematicians. Don't be surprised, they're used to accepting unfalsifiable dogma without evidence.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 17:59:02 2014 No.5882307 >>5880335 If you need proof that memes are hugely influential to the 4chan unconscious, look no further than the rise of theism on 4chan in relation to the rise of le fedora meme.

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 18:09:28 2014 No.5882345

>>5881386
>>5881420
It's not a matter of 'knowing' which God is the 'real' God; it is a matter of wagering despite not knowing. While it is not as simple as Pascal made it out to be (2 possibilities), it's not as though there are infinite choices which most of us are likely to bet on. In Pascal's example we bet on God's existence because it is obviously the optimal choice. If the only thing we care about is avoiding eternal torment then we wont be able to overcome the 'infinite possibilities' objection. However, if there are additional benefits that we're seeking then we can easily narrow down the possible options. Ex. if 'Satan were actually God' and he decided to punish all believers, would we, as we are now, have any respect of this thought-process? We might respect the raw power of being able to do such a thing but not necessarily how the power is being used. If an individual values a dignified use of power then the wager is not simply about the value of escaping hell but also a matter of respecting whatever God you are dealing with.

tldr; while the objection of further possibilities within the wager is legit, I think there are also further possibilities in the 'payouts' which allow us to narrow down the optimal choices (depending upon the individual).

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 18:17:09 2014 No.5882378 >>5881411 do you have any arguments, or are you just going to assert?

>>	Leo Fri Dec 19 18:18:49 2014 No.5882386 God?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 18:19:58 2014 No.5882392 >>5881743 >tfw become more deeply entrenched in self-delusions feels good man

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 18:20:39 2014 No.5882395 File: 17 KB, 240x200, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw The God Delusion reads just like an angsty fedora on the internet I-I thought it was just a meme

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 18:22:04 2014 No.5882400 >>5881777 legit

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 18:24:31 2014 No.5882407 >>5882395 he's still right tho

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 18:27:22 2014 No.5882421 >>5882407 Maybe.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 18:28:10 2014 No.5882426 >>5882217 science/empiricism/logic has over history consistently proved the statement true, as well as this its pretty much a priori, inb4 >why not assume god is real then

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 18:29:30 2014 No.5882431 >>5882426 >logic >pretty much a priori logic proves itself a priori?

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 18:30:16 2014 No.5882435

>>5881500
>Also I believe in charity, not forced redistribution that is so prevalent in common societies.

Genuinely curious, what are your thoughts on the idea that charity is worse in the long-run for poor people because it treats and covers up the most visible problem of capitalism, being the families without food, shelter, and clothing. Poverty is result of greed in a capitalist economy which could be solved with socialism/communism/basic income, especially in this modern age where we have as much food that we need and everyone in the country could be fed if it were distributed evenly.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 19:58:54 2014 No.5882799 >>5882435 yikes

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 20:13:57 2014 No.5882865 >>5882435 I hate to break it to you, but poverty existed waaaaay before capitalism.

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 20:32:51 2014 No.5882936
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>>5882435
Heres what I'll say to that: I have a friend, very leftists, active in protests, etc. Whenever we hangout in the city and homeless people ask me for change/cigarettes, I give them money or food whenever I can. I have never seen my friend give any homeless person money, he says one of the many leftist catchphrases: 'Solidarity not charity'. So those people think reforming the system is better than helping out an individual who needs help now. I agree it is better to teach a man to fish, but overlooking an individual for some grand plan of communist-equalitarian-society is not right to me. So I think charity is better than those who advocate for 'redistribution'. We need better morals in our society so those with money see the plight of others and feel it in their heart to give to them, not a system proven time and again to fail and make everyone worse (i.e. communism). And thats how I feel, I hope I gave a satisfactory answer.

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 20:59:20 2014 No.5883024

Near death experiences are genuine descriptions of the afterlife.
1. There are many cases in which a person has died for longer than 2 days, before coming back to life, all while experiencing an afterlife.
2. Many near death experiencers were brain dead as they experienced the afterlife.
3. Near death experiencers described there experiences as being 'more real' than life. They also found that their senses were far more acute. There have been cases where (born) blind people were able to see.
4. There is no evolutionary purpose for the near death experience. If the near death experience really is a biological process, then it must have been created through evolution, but how could this gene be useful for survival if it is followed by death?
5. Atheists have had near death experiences where they went to heaven, and almost all of them became religious after they were resuscitated.

Theistic religion has existed for thousands of years, and now people are experiencing afterlife, God, intense light, deceased relatives, angels etc. To me, it makes theism seem completely possible. ACTUALLY NO, THAT ALL SEEMS QUITE SILLY, IT'S PROBABLY JUST OUR BRAINS TRICKING US

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 21:03:26 2014 No.5883040 >>5882435 Charity + redistribution = a system any left-leaning Christian can get behind

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 21:04:53 2014 No.5883047

>>5883024
>There is no evolutionary purpose for the near death experience. If the near death experience really is a biological process, then it must have been created through evolution, but how could this gene be useful for survival if it is followed by death?

This is where your understanding of evolution is infantile. Things evolve as reactions to their environment, but your pseudo Darwinian view of evolution is wrong, annoyingly popular as it is. Things do not have to have a directly beneficial purpose to exist or evolve.

>>5882936
Socialism has absolutely fuck all to do with wealth redistribution. Social Democracy yes, Socialism no. Socialism is workers cooperatively/democratically owning their workplaces. Wages are not equal, they are decided by the people working there democratically.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 21:10:10 2014 No.5883066 >>5881317 Not that I totally disagree, but does anyone else think Occam's razor is retarded?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 21:15:21 2014 No.5883092 >>5880335 Yeah seriously

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 21:18:40 2014 No.5883109 >there are atheists here who decry other people for being "racist", "sexist", or "homophobic" Scum of the earth.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 21:27:58 2014 No.5883145 dumb frogposter

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>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 21:37:06 2014 No.5883191 >>5883176 That guy in the picture isn't even unattractive and makes a decent point.

kitty !kitty/EnNg Fri Dec 19 21:38:40 2014 No.5883199

>>5883066
it's not retarded but it's often misunderstood, occam's razor is not a measure of truth, that's impossible to have such a measure when you compare two conceptions which you cannot verify, it's not a measure of truth, it's a measure of pragmatism, but if you try to apply it to the god with the same pragmatic goal it will clench with pragmatic reasons to believe in a god and even with pascal's wage... so it's rather a stupid application. people who mention it often use it as if it was a measure of truth. it bars the conception of god from the science though

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>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 21:40:40 2014 No.5883205 >>5883176 Lmao, this guy hasn't even read Fear & Trembling, I bet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 21:41:01 2014 No.5883208 >>5883191 God wouldn't make such a demand for no reason.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 21:42:48 2014 No.5883217 >>5883208 Lmao, this guy hasn't even read Fear & Trembling, I bet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 21:43:48 2014 No.5883224 >>5883217 Lmao, this guy hasn't even read Fear & Trembling, I bet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 21:47:45 2014 No.5883235 >>5883224 Lmao, this guy hasn't even read Fear & Trembling, I bet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 21:47:53 2014 No.5883236 >>5880335 faith is a strong thing, when you are told something is one way growing up you might not even open your mind to another belief. You can be smart but at the same time believe some loony things.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 21:48:58 2014 No.5883240 >>5883208 God works in 'mysterious' ways.

kitty !kitty/EnNg Fri Dec 19 21:53:12 2014 No.5883262

>>5883191

no, that's a weak point

when such a command goes against your religious beliefs and/or inner moral sense (or even if it does not) since you have no means to prove if you are not cheated by the devil or your own madness, so if you refuse to follow it, it doesn't mean that your moral is independent of your religion

the guy is cute though, but looks a bit too shy

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 21:55:00 2014 No.5883271 >>5883262 But Abraham slew Isaac, lmao. This guy hasn't even read Fear & Trembling, I bet.

Anonymous Fri Dec 19 21:56:29 2014 No.5883277

>>5883262
Alternatively, it's a weak point because as an atheist I want orders from god to kill him just for asking such a ridiculous 'gotcha' question.

Pretty sure the fundamentalists he (didn't) ask would kill him upon such an order, regardless of any uncomfortable pause in conversation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 19 21:56:49 2014 No.5883278 >>5883271 >Abraham slew Isaac Lmao, this guy hasn't even read Fear & Trembling, I bet.

kitty !kitty/EnNg Fri Dec 19 22:02:00 2014 No.5883304
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>>5881404
they may believe that god affects fate and possibly pretty rarely makes real miracles, while those things are theoretically measurable... i doubt one can make a real research to rule them out

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 01:26:32 2014 No.5883842 >>5880335 Yeah I believe in GOD and I'm from /lit/. What are you gonna do about?

>>	Paradise !!vh7XQhHe/pR Sat Dec 20 01:30:24 2014 No.5883852 I also believe in God.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 01:32:12 2014 No.5883858 >>5883842 >>5883852 fucking retards why dont you go molest some kids like your ruler the pope

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 01:33:22 2014 No.5883861 >>5883858 pedo priests are just a jewish conspiracy, molestohoax never happened

>>	Paradise !!vh7XQhHe/pR Sat Dec 20 01:36:46 2014 No.5883864 >>5883858 Let he who is without sin get stoned first.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 01:37:01 2014 No.5883865 File: 52 KB, 200x200, 1418796045508.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw Atheists appeal to morality

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 01:37:35 2014 No.5883868 >>5880335 LE EDGY LORD

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 05:33:29 2014 No.5884341
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>>5881530
>I know he hasn't forgotten me at all.

Except this one time when you fucked up the captcha.
Except this one time where you broke your arm.
Except this one time when you absolutely had to be in time but missed the bus.
Except this one time where Dick stole your lunch and got away with it.
Except this one time when you got punished and it wasn't your fault.
Except this one time when Aunt Jeanne died of terminal cancer in horrible sufferring while having been a devout Christian all her life.
Except this one time when 9 milion children die every year before reaching the age of 5. Some of hunger.
Except this one time when you gf left you.
Except this one time when the Sun is going to swallow the Earth in 5 Bn years.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 05:36:27 2014 No.5884345 >>5881530 >I just think I can best serve Him through the creation of art. well he probably doesn't. have you read the bible?

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 07:01:39 2014 No.5884484

>>5881553
No, most theists actually believe that the effects god has on our universe are measurable because he is controlling it. The Vatican had a long-running praying experiment. They wanted to measure the effects of praying on the survival of sick people. Not effect at all.

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 07:10:20 2014 No.5884504
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>>5881777
Making a absolute statement on the nature of the universe without using any empirically falsifiable base is not edgy ? Are Solipsists now the pinnacle of human thought as well ?

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 07:12:16 2014 No.5884510

>>5880335
i tried to deny it for a while, claimed i was agnostic. i just cant anymore. its silly to believe something like that. this isnt some fantasy world. not trying to be edgy, but it seems like thats what gnostics thing when we deny the existence of a god

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 07:15:44 2014 No.5884517 >>5884510 theres more to the subject then what you learned at reddit consider how many intelligent, influential people throughout history have been religious and whether they were really that simple

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 07:21:30 2014 No.5884524

>>5881364
It's retarded. It supposes this:
>Don't believe: HELL or Nothing!
>Do believe: Maybe heaven, else Nothing!

When it's really:
>Don't believe: HELL or nothing!
>Do believe: Maybe Heaven if you go to church, pray, get baptised, read the bible, don't have sex before marriage, give to the poor, genuinely believe in God etc. etc. or else Nothing!

It's Christian logic at its absolute finest.

>>	kitty !kitty/EnNg Sat Dec 20 07:25:34 2014 No.5884535 >>5884524 you definitely poorly read about it, it supposes the second variant when compares the effort what you spend for being religious vs the ultimate loss i.e. hell

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 07:34:01 2014 No.5884545
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People should seriously think twice about using reddit, edgy kids or fedora meme, this is not /b. Being abrasive is ok, but it should not be done in such a cheap way, maybe with some prose. Also, some atheists here are pretty old, there is more of a reason to it than being an edgy college kid.
As far as a "beyond-the-universe-deity" goes, all bets are on. Everything goes because when physics breaks down, our empirical framework breaks down. Reality itself is gone. However, in that context, "belief" makes as much sense as rational thought, none at all. Putting a god there is putting him in the last open gap, and most likely this is where we never can go, so he's pretty safe there. Science can't touch him, most likely not even logic. But the real question is: why do you guys spend so much time thinking about the reality of this singularity of reason ?
Personally, I always thought this to be a psychological flaw of the human mind. You trust your brains too much, they evolved for fucking, hunting and picking fruit from trees. They are kept in check by reality and the necessities of life, which is the empirical framework. Remove that, and you get a sort of "free-mode-operation". Intelligent people actually have a better capacity for faith because their brains turn out more "free-mode" material. Retards have no real "faith" they just copy the rules of their society.

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 07:37:43 2014 No.5884551

>>5884535

The problem with Pascal's wager, and I suppose afterlife in general, is that what you're essentially betting on is how you're going to be spending eternity, which to me seems silly. Living eternally means living for so long that nothing matters. Hell and heaven, pain and pleasure, they all become meaningless.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 07:45:13 2014 No.5884555 File: 43 KB, 563x601, Gr8+b8+m8+butt+il+rek+u+a+new+hole+_81e11f98b5caf1730316dfc1cd2c1a78.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5880926 >"going to need a bigger bait" >thread receives 130 posts

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 07:50:26 2014 No.5884561 >>5881321 No, it is a 0 assumption therefor the one with the least assumptions, you dense fuck.

kitty !kitty/EnNg Sat Dec 20 07:51:17 2014 No.5884563

>>5884551
no, that's a problem of immortality, the problem with pascal's wager it's that it has zero selectivity, you can use it to justify any religion or even superstition (it's better to knock on wood than to suffer the possibly woe which can be brought on you if you don't knock etc) and those obviously would contradict each other, here follows the second problem that the wager primarily justifies the most violent religions with an elaborate hell which condemn everybody except their followers to it, that's actually the mechanism which draws some people to odious sects, also since christianity is one of those predatory religions pascal's wager actually suits it pretty well, better than, say, buddhism

as for the immortality, as the bible says 'we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed', it's not like you will live the eternity having the same relationship with time as you have now, the boredom will be gone...

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 07:58:27 2014 No.5884572 ITT: Americans trying to justify their infantile beliefs

Paradise As A Man !!R8pfUFlliYa Sat Dec 20 08:06:19 2014 No.5884590

>>5884555
I think /lit/'s decided the weed of religiousness in our community has again grown beyond the acceptable limit. So this thread's important, in a sort of materially dialectic way, to the /lit/ atheists and memellenists, and myself, because the acceptance of authentic religiosity around here has become ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 08:24:03 2014 No.5884629 >>5884484 Oh my god that's hilarious. Pls source pls

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 08:30:46 2014 No.5884649 >>5883865 Nietzsche pls go

kitty !kitty/EnNg Sat Dec 20 08:33:46 2014 No.5884652

>>5884629
why hilarious? it's pretty obvious that the hypothesis that god affects the fate can be tried only statistically. but it's probably nearly impossible to both prove and disprove, for instance if vatican had a positive statistical correlation that people who were prayed of had more chance to survive it could have multiple explanations just like the absence of that correlation has (god set their fates already, god doesn't want to manifest himself in an experiment etc). it could mean (outside of error or placebo effect etc explanations), for instance, that humans have some uncertain healing powers which wouldn't prove the existence of god by itself...

>>	Paradise As A Man !!R8pfUFlliYa Sat Dec 20 08:38:26 2014 No.5884669 >>5884652 Yeah, man, and I love you, but source.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 08:42:12 2014 No.5884675 >>5882286 Philosophy isn't about falsifiability, troll. Neither is religion.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 08:45:12 2014 No.5884685 >>5882431 According to Hegel, logic is the ontological structure of the universe. But Hegel was a theist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 08:47:51 2014 No.5884687 >>5884551 If you're asking the question, you either do or don't believe in the afterlife already, or you're willing to consider your stance. If you're considering your stance, there's nothing silly about the wager.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 08:53:49 2014 No.5884694 truly, I believe in myself

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 09:00:45 2014 No.5884710

>>5881417
Dear based Christian,

Given that scientific and historical evidence of the past century provides an abundant number of contradictions to Biblical history how does one conclude there is sufficient reason to place faith in Biblical stories, and Judeo-Christian interpretation of the Demiurge?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 09:11:07 2014 No.5884737 >>5884710 >Given that scientific and historical evidence of the past century provides an abundant number of contradictions to Biblical history Pretending that science is objective and has not had a bias against Christianity is a poor meme.

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 09:13:52 2014 No.5884744

>>5883176
If God asked me to kill someone I think I would do it. I would feel morally justified in doing it.

There, I've answered his question. The humanist myth about human beings having an inherent "right to live" is false. If they had an inherent right to live God wouldn't allow them to die.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 09:14:58 2014 No.5884749 >>5881330 kek

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 09:27:09 2014 No.5884779 File: 152 KB, 550x550, 1387067094121.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] > there are people anywhere who actually believe in god what the fuck

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 09:59:22 2014 No.5884854

>>5884737
What the fek are you dumb? We are seriously talking about how the Flood can not be taken literally and freaking comets, bugs, and blood did not fill the rivers of Egypt Christian Bale Exodus style and all you have to say is 'mur hur dur science got that bias'...

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 10:07:16 2014 No.5884888

I would love for there to be a god. Someone to pray to when times get rough, someone to guide me in the right direction, and a neat spiffy place to go to when I die. Who wouldn't want that?

Maybe I'm mislead. Maybe He really exists and there really is an answer to everything and the contradictions and flaws I see stem from my ignorance of His heavenly habits.

But why won't he convert me? I don't want to go to hell. I really don't want to suffer for the rest of eternity. The thought chills me to the core of my being. All I need is the smallest of signs. Don't tell me that you've already given them to me, because I don't see them. Is that my fault? Do I deserve to go to hell and die until I'm dead and then die some more just for that? Please, save my soul, God, I beg of you. Do something, anything, and I would be your most fervent and fanatical supporter.

I mean, not really, because the nigga doesn't exist, but yeah, you get my point.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 10:08:09 2014 No.5884892 >>5884779 this is by far the stupidest post in the thread does what you mentioned actually surprise you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 10:08:16 2014 No.5884893 >>5884854 A large part of the bible is allegorical, not literal.

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 10:11:38 2014 No.5884909

>>5884854
mmmmm so much projection in this post. The guy typed out a coherent sentence, and you somehow felt the need to add 'mur hur dur' in your fake quote of him. Way to go guy, you sure are helping the discussion move forward. Just because you feel you are about to enter and uncontrollable rage over words on the internet, doesn't mean the rest of us are

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 10:13:20 2014 No.5884917 >>5884341 >Except this one time when you fucked up the captcha. The worst betrayal of all. I refuse to believe in a god who allows for captcha to be indecipherable.

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 10:13:29 2014 No.5884919

>>5884893
the "flood narrative" was a rip-off of old mesopatamian myths/histories and in mesopatamia due to the geography of the region there were every few generations seriously epic floods that to some neolithic or bronze age bastards probably seemed pretty world wide...then the jews heard about it and decided to include it in their shit with a few edits, so yeah there probably was some insane hurricane katrina type flood that went down in some ancient mesopatamian city and got blown out of proportion over the generations until it finally got written down later

Paradise As A Man !!R8pfUFlliYa Sat Dec 20 10:14:01 2014 No.5884920

>>5884892
I don't know about him, but personally, there are no religious people in my social world. I'm a third generation atheist, all of my friends, professors, workmates, lovers, are and have always been atheists, with very few exceptions. It does amaze me a little that there are people who believe in a literal divine being.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 10:14:12 2014 No.5884921 >>5884893 Yeah, all the parts that have been disproven by science.

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 10:18:57 2014 No.5884937

>>5884920
yeah whenever i meet someone who says some shit like "there has to be a good, i mean just look around at how perfect the world is, somebody had to make all this" i'm like wow dude you can't think at all can you...but as you grow up and get life experience you start to realize the majority of people on the planet are actually quite stupid, and i don't mean like in some stem vs classics pissing contest way, i mean there are just masses of people outside walking around in the street that are too stupid to even do a degree in anything, in america only 20% of the people have bachelors or higher...if you live in NYC or SF of course it seems higher, shit, some places like Hoboken have like 90% degree holding population (the other 10% is that shitty housing project filled with puerto rican dirtbags over by the tracks) but out in "middle america" it's pretty much retards all the time

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 10:22:17 2014 No.5884944

If some tribesman in the jungles of the Amazon lives and dies without knowledge of God, what happens to him? Does the poor fucker get deep fried in hell forever? Or does he get an automatic pass to heaven? Perhaps he is judged for the rights/wrongs he has done in his life? That sounds like the best answer but if so, why aren't we? Because we had knowledge of Christianity? Is that reason enough to hold us to a different standard? Are we equal in the eye of God's judgement?

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 10:22:38 2014 No.5884945

>>5884909
You typed out a coherent sentence that was absolutely ridiculous and did nothing but evade the question that was posed which is how am I supposed to believe in the Bible when we can seriously consider that it is nothing more than fictional accounts of Jewish history combined with convoluted philosophies.

You want to move the discussion forward now the ball is in your court.

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 10:25:33 2014 No.5884950

>>5884944
>If some tribesman in the jungles of the Amazon lives and dies without knowledge of God, what happens to him? Does the poor fucker get deep fried in hell forever? Or does he get an automatic pass to heaven? Perhaps he is judged for the rights/wrongs he has done in his life? That sounds like the best answer but if so, why aren't we? Because we had knowledge of Christianity? Is that reason enough to hold us to a different standard? Are we equal in the eye of God's judgement?

but that's how god judges all gentiles, let's face it, god chose the jews as agents of history and the rest of humanity is a long for the ride, nice try tho christfags

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 10:30:40 2014 No.5884968

>>5884945
HE typed out a coherent sentence that was absolutely ridiculous and did nothing but evade the question that was posed which is how am I supposed to believe in the Bible when we can seriously consider that it is nothing more than fictional accounts of Jewish history combined with convoluted philosophies.

You want to move the discussion forward now the ball is in your court.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 10:37:05 2014 No.5884981 >>5884920 You've lived a sheltered life and your idea of a religious person is a strawman.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 10:38:05 2014 No.5884982 >>5884921 Yes, basically. That isn't the part about how God exists.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 10:39:37 2014 No.5884985 >>5884944 >Because we had knowledge of Christianity? Is that reason enough to hold us to a different standard? According to theologians, yes.

Paradise As A Man !!R8pfUFlliYa Sat Dec 20 10:47:04 2014 No.5884996

>>5884981
Thank you, but I can differentiate between theism and religion, and I've made a point of reading most of the world's major religious texts, and have had somewhat valuable discussions with religious people: visitors at schools, philosophy undergraduates, Polynesian tribal elders; I just never included them, as I wrote, in my social world. I don't appreciate your saying that I live a sheltered life only for it having a particular cultural colour (such a one as many like to stigmatise).

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 10:47:41 2014 No.5884998 >>5884982 Yeah but if God exists then how do we assume he exists in a Judeo-Christian context?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 10:51:57 2014 No.5885007 File: 1.64 MB, 1024x768, Fox-Mulder-fox-mulder-25366403-1024-768.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5881317 Occam's Principle of Limited Imagination

>>	Deep&Edgy !!BfzNblz4cXS Sat Dec 20 10:55:05 2014 No.5885013 more like Occam's Fedora

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 10:58:04 2014 No.5885018 File: 161 KB, 318x292, 1418506971818.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5880335 Here we go with the Fedora Tipping pictures.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 10:58:05 2014 No.5885019 >>5884998 Faith. This question is stupid. It can be asked of any member of any faith and does nothing to invalidate or clarify the principles upon which belief is predicated.

kitty !kitty/EnNg Sat Dec 20 10:58:42 2014 No.5885020

>>5884919

hurricanes, even katrina, are relatively calm stuff, also they are firstly quite common and secondly region dependent, people who live in their zone nearly ignore most of them, it was probably something more catastrophic

btw, american indians have a flood legend too

>>5884944

christianity doesn't have a universal answer. dante would say that if that tribesman was virtuous enough he would be put into limbo till the final judgment and then possibly to the saved ones

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 10:58:49 2014 No.5885021 File: 217 KB, 1427x1909, 1418017405701.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What about sunsets? French kisses? The smell of rain, that's why I believe in God.

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 11:01:16 2014 No.5885032

>>5885020
there aren't any hurricanes in Mesopotamia you fucking moron, the floods there come from the rivers ... i used Katrina to illustrate the idea of a once in a 100 epic flood that takes out a city, do people on lit act stupid as a troll or are they really this way?

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 11:07:00 2014 No.5885042

>>5885019
Oh so now my question is stupid. Okay so faith is your response. I have a deep level of faith that if I drop my phone it will hit the ground. There is a reason for that. I can assure you. I can't assure you that the Jews got it right on how the universe was created.

But hey believe in what you want to I am just looking for a reason why I should share your faith.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 11:08:32 2014 No.5885048 OP doesn't exist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 11:11:34 2014 No.5885055 >take Occam's Razor >cut everything >the only thing left in existence is Occam's Razor >Occam's Razor cuts itself >the Big Bang occurs and everything that was cut by Occam's Razor comes back into existence this cycle continues ad infinitum btw

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 11:14:22 2014 No.5885063

>>5885042
Faith that God is the creator of the universe is exactly the kind of faith you lack, and is the only relevant difference between a theist and an atheist. Your faith that your phone will hit the ground isn't based on any really irrefutable or a priori evidence, by the way. Just ask Hume.

>>	The Man That Doesn't Exist(...) !!v5sg1piOcEl Sat Dec 20 11:19:12 2014 No.5885072 >>5885063 How can he ask Hume anything? Hume doesn't even exist. Just ask Hume.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 11:19:55 2014 No.5885073 >>5885072 >Empiricist logic I know you're joking but it's true.

kitty !kitty/EnNg Sat Dec 20 11:20:16 2014 No.5885074

>>5885032

you are not only stupid but also rude

yet again, ordinary floods from heavy rains (where do you think the rivers take water) aren't enough to create a legend like that, people see many of them for hundreds years they live there so they are not extraordinary events much like hurricanes aren't extraordinary in a hurricane zone, even if some of them are stronger than others and may even ruin some city. i dunno if they had hurricanes there back then, the climate was different, it was your proposal of 'hurricane katrina type flood', but they definitely had multiple devastating floods which they, guess what, didn't count as the great deluge. do you really think people back then were more stupid than you (if it's even possible)
http://history.stackexchange.com/questions/2117/how-often-did-city-destroying-floods-happen-in-mesopotamia

there should be some more devastating one time event to create a legend like that

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 11:21:14 2014 No.5885076 >this thread fuck off, /pol/ Go be stupid somewhere else

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 11:21:57 2014 No.5885077 >>5885076 This /pol/ boogeyman doesn't exist.

>>	The Man That Doesn't Exist(...) !!v5sg1piOcEl Sat Dec 20 11:22:23 2014 No.5885079 >>5885077 I know I don't.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 11:23:20 2014 No.5885082 >>5885079 Are you a /pol/ack?

>>	The Man That Doesn't Exist(...) !!v5sg1piOcEl Sat Dec 20 11:24:00 2014 No.5885084 >>5885082 I don't exist.

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 15:16:37 2014 No.5885816

>>5881907
throwing in 'death of the author' does nothing but make you seem uneducated on such things. It doesn't imply that there are no wrong interpretations, just that there aren't any objectively 'right' ones. Your interpretation can be proven wrong with falsifying evidence from the text

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 21:42:28 2014 No.5887491 >>5883201 dont trust this statement 5 years praying every day is a decent natural and supernatural accomplisment to God or your own will to ignore why some atheists lie that much?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 21:47:34 2014 No.5887521 >>5880335 >There are people on /lit/ who are actually insufferable 14 year olds

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 21:56:36 2014 No.5887551 >>5880335 Joyce believed in god Pynchon believes in god

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 21:57:10 2014 No.5887553 >>5887551 you just believe in god cuz ur like 70 something and about to croak

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 22:30:51 2014 No.5887672

>>5883199
I've also seen it used to argue for both sides.

As in, occam's razor advocates atheism as we can see no signs of God

Or, occam's razor advocates belief as God existing is the simplest explanation to our questions on life, meaning, etc.

I think it was originally an argument for the existence of God rather than against. Still, it's easy to manipulate in this context, since an atheist will already dismiss God as being in no way "simple", only as false, so there's therefore no way that it could advocate God. Conversely, a believer doesn't recognise the atheist mindset which values a universe without God and thus without scientific explanation as still "simpler" than one with God, since that is seen as irrational.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 22:32:29 2014 No.5887681 >>5887553 check that front matter in gr

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 22:32:53 2014 No.5887683 >there are people on /lit/ who aren't agnostic Seriously, how is agnosticism not the only logical way

>>	max Sat Dec 20 22:34:37 2014 No.5887687 >op almost as edgy as my scimitar Happy infidel holiday

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 22:34:53 2014 No.5887688 >>5887683 >logical

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 22:44:08 2014 No.5887720 >>5881317 >Occam's razor There's your flaw. You've watched Contact one too many times. Occam's Razor is a mathematical construct ONLY and was never intended to be used outside of that context.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 22:44:48 2014 No.5887723 >>5887683 I'm with you 100% man.

>>	max Sat Dec 20 22:54:26 2014 No.5887750 >implying atheism isn't a religion google The Fate of Civil Religion

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 23:02:56 2014 No.5887772 I'm only an atheist because the Abrahamic god is a cunt, neopaganism seems flaky, and I'm it would feel weird to be a white guy practicing Hinduism or Buddhism. I wish there was a religion for me, but there doesn't appear to be one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 23:04:43 2014 No.5887774 >>5887772 >i'm only atheist because of my gross misunderstanding of the popular religions indeed

Anonymous Sat Dec 20 23:09:14 2014 No.5887784

"What are we? What, in the long night of the Universe, is this creature that happens in Time? Why..."
"We are the miracle of force and matter making itself over into imagination and will. The Life-Force, experimenting with forms; you for one, me for another! The Universe shouts: We are the incredible echo. The void is filled with ten billion on a billion bombardments of ignorant light, mindless avalanches of energy, meteor, cosmic snuffs. God exhales: Comets appear. God sneezes--up we jump! Among so much light and ignorance. we are the blind force that gropes like Lazarus from a billion light-years tomb. We summon ourselves. We cry, O Lazarus Life-Force, truly come ye forth! So the Universe, a motion of Deaths, fumbles to reach across Time to feel its own flesh and know it to be ours. We touch both ways and find each other miraculous because we are One."

Ray Bradbury--Green Shadows, White Whale (1992). The speaker is a robot George Bernard Shaw (GBS Mark V).

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 23:11:30 2014 No.5887794 >>5887772 >Hellenismos >flaky

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 23:13:16 2014 No.5887797 >>5887794 Well I'd love to be proven wrong, but I don't see any local neopagan gatherings.

>>	max Sat Dec 20 23:52:30 2014 No.5887919 >Druidism?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 20 23:58:29 2014 No.5887932 >>5887797 Oh, you can find them easily enough. Strictly Hellenismos gatherings are rare outside of Greece, though, but we do sometimes worship together over skype.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 21 00:02:04 2014 No.5887941 File: 99 KB, 435x512, 1411087697824.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5885021 top kek

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 21 01:04:51 2014 No.5888149 Anyone here into voodoo? It has a rich history and a fascinating theology.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 21 02:26:14 2014 No.5888327 >>5887772 You don't understand God at all but give this one a try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD_Faith

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 21 02:37:27 2014 No.5888357 >>5888327 >Sexual intercourse is only permitted between a husband and wife, and thus premarital, extramarital, and homosexual intercourse are forbidden. (See also Homosexuality and the Bahá'í Faith)

>>	plebcore virgin/loser Sun Dec 21 03:32:08 2014 No.5888458 read pascal u uncultured swine >Muh new age atheism hume did your shit better 300 years ago

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 21 03:36:54 2014 No.5888467 >>5887772 try Rosicrucianism

>>	=^.^= Sun Dec 21 03:38:08 2014 No.5888468 >>5888149 There are people on /x/ who have at least cursory knowledge of voodoo if you want to discuss is with someone

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 21 03:40:16 2014 No.5888469 File: 44 KB, 681x496, Fishguy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

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