/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.5879022]

So did literally nothing philosophical happen between Aristotle and Descartes?
I'm disregarding Boethius and Cicero.

[Anonymous No.5879025]

>>5879022
Nothing of impact, minus maybe the stoics and cynics

>inb4 medieval philosophy is important and other christfaggotry

[Anonymous No.5879031]

Thomas Aquinas, St. Augustine, the Stoics/Epicureans

[Anonymous No.5879038]

>>5879022
>Thomas Aquinas, St. Augustine,
I know this is the most pleb thing in the world but I constantly confuse these two, who was the earlier one? That guy was a fucking genius

[Anonymous No.5879043]

William of Ockham is the most important modern philosopher.

[Anonymous No.5879044]

>>5879022
>>5879025
>What is pyrrhonian skepticism
>Who is Hobbes
>Who is Machiavelli
You know nothing about philosophy /lit/ hasn't taught you.
>Who are all the major christian philosophers

[Anonymous No.5879049]

>>5879038
St. Anselm?
Out of those two, Augustine lived earlier.

[Anonymous No.5879052]

>>5879038
Augustine lived in the 5th century, Aquinas lived in the 13th

[Anonymous No.5879057]

>>5879025
>disregarding thousands of years of philosophy because you're afraid to give credit to religious people

Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.5879086]

>>5879057
>Theology
>Philosophy
Pick one.

[Anonymous No.5879089]

>>5879086
How on earth is it not philosophy? It grapples with the exact same questions, it just always has God in its ontology

[Anonymous No.5879095]

>>5879089
God is unfalsifiable, therefore theology isn't philosophy. It's all semantically empty.

[Anonymous No.5879101]

>>5879095
That is ridiculous, all philosophy is unfalsifiable, I don't think you know what philosophy is

[Anonymous No.5879107]

>>5879101
So what's philosophy, oh exulted one?

[Anonymous No.5879115]

>>5879095
>People like this exist
Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.5879125]

>>5879107
On some level philosophy always has to do with consciousness, and its relation to other ontological categories. Science, where falsifiablity is relevant, removes this element as much as possible, the subject is supposed to be eliminated. Philosophy doesn't do this but attempts to incorporate that fundamental mystery into various questions about reality, meaning, knowledge, ethics, etc. You can have other definitions of philosophy, I mean it would depend on your philosophy itself, but there are no falsifiable philosophies, that sort of misses the point of what the discipline does. That's why Plato is still relevant but the science of his day isn't.

[Anonymous No.5879134]

>>5879125
What does Plato have to do with anything? The Forms are unfalsifiable, semantically empty nonsense, modern epistemology has no place for them. The fact that you think Plato is relevant at all makes me think you're trolling me.

[Anonymous No.5879138]

>>5879134

[Anonymous No.5879150]

>>5879044
>Who is Hobbes
>Who is Machiavelli
I don't normally consider political philosophy when someone says "philosophy". Yes, obviously these two were important.

>>Who are all the major christian philosophers
Augustine and Aquinas are really irrelevant except for Christians, tard.

[kitty !kitty/EnNg No.5879161]

>>5879038
>That guy was a fucking genius

how so? his most significant influence it's introducing neoplatonism into christianity which doesn't sound that important for the philosophy as a whole (awfully important for the christianity of course)

>>5879043
actually yes, he is one of the most notable between aristotle and descartes

[Anonymous No.5879177]

>>5879161
Kitty is a woman's right to choose more important than a person's right to life? I have to know

[kitty !kitty/EnNg No.5879178]

>>5879150
aquinas and his proofs of the god existence are relevant outside of christianity, i agree about the saint augustine though

[Anonymous No.5879181]

>>5879038
Augustine is certainly more relateable of the two, at least to me. Very pragmatic as well, for a theologian.

Aquinas is probably the greater philosopher, though, even if you may disagree with the natural law stuff. Aquinas' dissection of Aristotle was incredibly thorough, and his annotations are still studied to this day.

Augustine is still great, though.

[Anonymous No.5879193]

>>5879150
>Aquinas
>Irrelevant

The fucker influenced all of Christendom, aka all of fucking Europe, and Thomistic Natural Law is the foundation for a fuck ton of Enlightenment era notions of liberty and shit that the most important nation ever created was founded upon.

[Anonymous No.5879195]

>>5879150
>Disregards Sextus Empiricus

>Disregards Augistine despite the fact that he heavily influenced Spinoza, Kierkegaard, and Heidegger


>Calls others retarded

[Anonymous No.5879259]

> limiting yourself to Christian Europe
> not seeing The Light in an age of darkness
> not pushing science forward while Christfags revert to pre-Roman barbarism

[Anonymous No.5879261]

>>5879134

Because you're too stupid to comprehend what forms even mean. Plato is a fucking genius if you understand how many implications theory of forms has. It's a first reconciliations of flawed, varied perception humans have with objective, existing reality answering the questions such as how can we draw conclusions on external world on ground of our faulty cognitive faculties.

[Anonymous No.5879271]

>>5879261
We have cognitive science for that now. We don't have to talk about this nonsense.
Also, Plato was a proto-fascist, so by his own logic, for the good of our liberal society, every copy of Politeia should be burned.

[Anonymous No.5879278]

>>5879150

>Aquinas
>irrelevant

Natural law theory is fundamental for Hobbes and most philosophers since beginning of Enlightment.

[Anonymous No.5879287]

>>5879259
>believing in myths

[Anonymous No.5879290]

>>5879259
Oh yeah, Islam, the same religion that produced a school of thought which proclaimed that cause and effect is false.

[Anonymous No.5879305]

>>5879290
Empiricism?

[Anonymous No.5879313]

>>5879115
Butthurt christfag detected

[Anonymous No.5879317]

>>5879313

[Anonymous No.5879321]

>>5879271

Have you ever done cognitive psychology? I am apt to suspect they you have not because you would otherwise know that question:

"How are we able to reach conclusion on external world, on reality if we're able to perceive it through differing and flawed cognitive faculties that present us with varied data leading to different understanding of the subject?"

is NOT part of the discipline. Science is based on number of premises and adresses dimensions other than philosophy. End of story.

[Anonymous No.5879348]

>>5879321
>Being this wrong

Capitalizing NOT doesn't make you right. You know what they say about repeating lies. Plato's forms are primitive trash. Analytical philosophy has so far surpassed the Greeks and the Rationalists. Science has disproven so much of what gets discussed here, it's absolutely hilarious.

[Anonymous No.5879369]

>>5879150

Augustine --> later Wittgenstein
>irrelevant

[Anonymous No.5879374]

>>5879369
>Meme philosophers like Witty are relevant

Is this what /lit/ has come to?

[Anonymous No.5879375]

>>5879348
>Science has disproven so much of what gets discussed here

Like what? Examples please.

[Anonymous No.5879381]

>>5879348
*tips fedora*

[Anonymous No.5879391]

>>5879134

Science's epistemic language is math, and math is the most platonic thing there is.

[Anonymous No.5879412]

>>5879348
>This is what half-reading the Tractatus does to a man

[Anonymous No.5879417]

>>5879086
>>5879095

You are a colossal dunce.

[Anonymous No.5879423]

>>5879150

>I don't consider political philosophy... philosophy
>I don't consider political philosophy
>Don't consider political philosophy
>consider political philosophy
>political philosophy
>olitical philosophy
>litical philosophy
>itical philosophy
>tical philosophy
>ical philosophy
>cal philosophy
>al philosophy
>l philosophy
>philosophy
>philosophy

[Anonymous No.5879429]

>>5879313
There honestly isn't any christians on 4chan, only trolls

[Anonymous No.5879436]

>>5879429

Repeating what you desperately want to be true doesn't make it true. Go scurry back into your cave, Gollum.

[Anonymous No.5879442]

>>5879423
>Someone thinks philosophy isn't philosophy
How wonderfully dialectical!
>>5879429
>2014
>Not being an imageboard crusader-shitposter

[Anonymous No.5879451]

>>5879423
its different enough that it gets its own board, science is also a philosophy technically too.

[Anonymous No.5879459]

>>5879348

Let me get this straight. You've come up with an outright false claim that scientific method can be applied to the question I presented you with which simply is not true. Philosophy is permeated with things that are unaccessible to science like statements of value for instance.

[Anonymous No.5879462]

>>5879436
exactly, thats why no sane person would be a christian

[Anonymous No.5879465]

>>5879022
Machiavelli
Seneca the Younger
That's pretty much it

[Anonymous No.5879473]

>>5879462

You're the fool who says there are no christians on 4chan. You know this is not the case and yet wish to convince yourself of it so that you may feel more comfortable posting on this site (because christians make you uncomfortable). I have no interest in your idea of sanity.

[Anonymous No.5879480]

>>5879022
Aristotle was a massive cancer to the minds of humanity who held back progress for over a thousand years. His shit should be burnt and forgotten.

[Anonymous No.5879481]

>>5879480
Aristotle basically invented science, you fuck

[Anonymous No.5879486]

>>5879473
There probably some but I doubt too many come on /lit/. There are more Hellenists on /lit/ than Christians easy

[Anonymous No.5879491]

>>5879486
The only reason there are Hellenists is because a few atheists got tired of Christians telling them to be moral and decided they'd adopt some kind of divine command theory to give themselves a moral high ground when someone told them they dropped their fedoras. Now they can talk about how the ebil Christians oppressed their intellectual ancestors instead of talking about how ebil Christians stopped science during the Middle Ages, since that myth (so popular around 2010) has been debunked in the most wonderful of ways.
There are more Christians than Hellenists.
Hellenism is just a meme, anyway.

[Anonymous No.5879493]

>>5879491
Christianity is just a meme, Hellenism came first

[Anonymous No.5879495]

>>5879095
If philosophy was falsifiable, then it would be SCIENCE.

[Anonymous No.5879496]

>>5879493
Not in Internet culture, it didn't.
Resurrecting a religion that's been dead for over 1000 years and claiming to worship Zeus is meme-tier. Christianity is a living religion, and thus is not meme-tier.
>Start with the Greeks
is the only reason anyone here calls himself a Hellenist.

[Anonymous No.5879501]

>>5879495
Science isn't objective.

[Anonymous No.5879514]

>>5879496
Both religions have equally as much logic and reasoning behind them so which one you pick is purely a subjective thing. Personally I think 12 kick ass gods are much cooler than just 1

[Anonymous No.5879517]

>>5879493

>Christianity is just a meme

>there's no christians on 4chan... none... no christians... ok maybe some but they don't come on lit.... no.... more hellenists... okay actually christianity is a meme.. yeah, thats it... a meme... no....

[Anonymous No.5879522]

>>5879514
>Both religions have equally as much logic and reasoning behind them
Do you seriously believe this?
>Personally I think 12 kick ass gods are much cooler than just 1
God could kick all of your gods' asses at the same time, even if any of them were true gods.

[Anonymous No.5879525]

>>5879522

>Do you seriously believe this?

He is too stupid to realize that "logic and reasoning" doesn't mean "empirical evidence"

[Anonymous No.5879557]

>>5879025
>>5879086
>>5879095
>>5879313
>>5879462
>Only atheists can be smart so lets ignore whatever the religious say
>Hey look, all smart people are atheists, atheism clearly must be right and religion absurd

Such logicalness; your middle school teachers probably praise your intelligence daily

[Anonymous No.5879569]

>>5879025
It's now been 60 replies and this man is write, the Christfaggotry squirmed out of the woodworks to bitch about how important muh monks were:

>Everything has a cause, therefore Jesus
>The word "perfect" exists, therefore Jesus

And other retarded christfaggot philosophy.

[Anonymous No.5879571]

>>5879025
>If I call it retarded I can ignore it

[Anonymous No.5879587]

>>5879481
>repeating this bullshit

Mathematics invented science. Aristotle didn't nothing but hinder it by claiming to have figured it out...

[Anonymous No.5879596]

>>5879587
>A concept invented a concept

Kek

[Anonymous No.5879609]

>>5879569
Explain how there can be anything other than existence. Nothing, as a concept, does not actually say anything meaningful, for no such thing can occur such as "nothing". Therefore, either we have an Unmoved Mover situation, or an infinite chain of realities.

Explain why you live the way you do, despite the fact that we live in a post-Hegelian society.

>muh Kant

[Anonymous No.5879613]

>>5879596

People everywhere knew for ages that the world runs on fixed rules, they just lacked the mathematical language to adequately describe them.

[Anonymous No.5879617]

>>5879613
>People everywhere knew for ages that the world runs on fixed rules
Is that all that science consists of? Knowing that, or having that concept in your language game?

[Anonymous No.5879657]

>>5879022
Its not like there weren't any brilliant thinkers, it just wasn't a good time period for getting stuff written down in Europe.

[Anonymous No.5879824]

>>5879317
Le fedora meme!!!!!!!!

Nice one, Christfag!

[Anonymous No.5880860]

>>5879317
If you physically look like a philosopher, perhaps God never intended for you to reproduce?

[Anonymous No.5880950]

nothing worthwhile

[Anonymous No.5882898]

>>5879022
The Greeks were just tha mutha fuckin shit. if you exclude them there really isn't much before Descartes anyway. Their works also survived which is another major thing, who knows what crazy philosophers we missed out on just because their works were lost.

[Anonymous No.5883034]

>>5879290
You mean that Hume was a muslim ? Shocking.

[Anonymous No.5883044]

>>5879501
Now you went full retarded son.

[Anonymous No.5883077]

>pointless debate about categorization
>science made philosophy obsolete bait

See you again tomorrow. I mean today.