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Geist ist das leben, das selber ins leben schneidet.

>"Spirit is the life that cuts through life."

What did Nietzsche mean by this?

>> No.5874610

>>5874595
spirit - will - is the force of fucking LIFE that cuts through existence

>> No.5874611
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5874611

I would tell you since I am the most well-informed reader of Nietzsche on this board (I have read every word of Nietzsche multiple times in the original German and every secondary source you can think) but a couple of your fellow posters have showed me a tremendous amount of disrespect this evening. Therefore, I will no longer be enlightening you mindless blanks on Nietzsche, anti-philosophy, love, humor, exercise, and dietary matters until I get the fucking respect I deserve. Fuck every single one of you. Fuck the moderators who delete my threads and my posts. I hope you all die.

>> No.5874625

>>5874610
He used the term 'spirit,' not 'will.'

>> No.5874630

>>5874611
I respect you. I'm not a regular on this board. I already have an answer in my mind, I just want to see what /lit/ comes up with.

>> No.5874654

>>5874611
>being this bitter over meanies on the internet

man, i wish i was that enlightened

>> No.5874680

>>5874611
Master, please! Don't forsake us! I'm so sorry, just please enlighten us with your wisdom...

>> No.5874682

'spirit' is the will to life

>> No.5874685

shouldn't it be "spirit is the life that cuts trough life itself? pls explain

>> No.5874688

>>5874685
shit I read just one "life" in OP's post, I need to go to bed

>> No.5874691

>>5874595
it's a statement of Idealism. the "spirit" form is more pervasive than the "material" one. out of context this quote doesn't mean much.

>> No.5874695

i.e. a noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.

>>5874611
> I hope you all die.
no u

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5874722

>>5874654
rekt

>> No.5874761

>>5874595
>"Spirit is the life that cuts through life."
Think he's just trying to sound cool. Is this a proper translation? Seems it should be "Spirit cuts through life"? I don't know.

>> No.5874769

spirit is the mediator between mind and matter

>> No.5874792

>>5874611
Another tripfag to block for all eternity.

>> No.5875151

>>5874611
I'm fairly new to this board, can someone tell me why tripfags get so many responses? Not just this one, the fucking burrerfly as well. It's been a long time since I've seen tripfaggotry this bad. Are there a lot of leddit kids on /lit/?

>> No.5875207

>>5874611
Sorry if it seems that way.

>> No.5875211

>>5875151
twiggy isn't really that bad, she changed my life in a way
i've lost 20 pounds since i started following her advice on nutrition
i no longer ask 'deep' philosophical questions like why is there anything at all
i feel great...

>> No.5875251

>>5874769

>x is the n between y and z

Sure thing

>> No.5875265

>>5875151
Because they are grill. Butterfly is a grill so all the nogf here reply to her hoping she will suck their dicks.
>Are there a lot of leddit kids on /lit/?
Most leddit was on /pol/. Since it's dead now they are here, so yes.

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>>5874611
FFFFFUUUUCCCCCKKKKYYYYOOOUUUUU

>> No.5875378

There's a couple of ways of translating it, but probably the closest to the mark i
>Spirit is life, which inscribes itself on life.
Or
>Spirit is life, in life the self is tailored.
Which is to say much the same as Heralkleitos when he says ethos anthropos daimon (ethics are fate/integrity is the soul), that the practice of life is a reflection of spirit.
However, Nietzsche treads close (but not close enough to be direst) to an alternative meaning here
>Spirit is life, life is how the self is deluded.
The next clause of the sentence about how it is in self torment that the knowledge of self is increased will make a lot more sense if you keep the more allusive meanings in the back of your mind.

>> No.5875504

>>5874611
Well your service can be provided by someone else then. Sorry your bitter then some meanie did something you didn't like. Thought reading was supposed to make a person more mature, but you have fallen behind I guess

>> No.5875510

>>5874611
>>5874611
>most well-informed reader of Nietzsche on this board (I have read every word of Nietzsche multiple times in the original German and every secondary source you can think)

What important technical term from Stirner's The Ego and Its Own did Nietzsche use in Genealogy of Morals?

>> No.5875514

>>5875378
>>Spirit is life, which inscribes itself on life.
>>Spirit is life, in life the self is tailored.
>>Spirit is life, life is how the self is deluded.

No. No. No. Hahahah, do you even speak German?

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>>5874611

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>Spirit is the life that cuts through life
So basically the message of pic related?

>> No.5875985

>>5875514
It is strange you don't ask if I speak English. Which English would you use?

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>>5874611
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8

>> No.5876018

Not everything a thinker (of any stripe) has said has to make sense; don't think for a second that it is impossible for them to be wrong. There are a plethora of known authors that churn out, what may seem to be dazzling and "deep" one-liners at first, but utterly false upon scrutiny.

And this just might be the case; "Spirit is the life that cuts through life"? Gobbledygook at its finest. Only a novelist could write something as incoherent as this.

Don't feel bad dismissing Nietzsche, or any other thinker, if what they say just don't make any sense upon multiple of readings.

>> No.5876020

>>5875706
kek

>> No.5876029

I made fun of my girlfriend the first day we met because she's a lib arts graduate from the east coast who owns one Nietzsche paperback and thinks it's sorta cool.

She doesn't read Nietzsche anymore and we are still a thing, so I'd say that one worked out splendidly.

>> No.5876051

>>5874595
>>5874761

I'm a Gerfag and that translation is shite.
It's more like "Spirit is the life that cuts into life"

>>5874611
Butthurt :^)

>> No.5876063

>>5876018
>this post
Are you saying recursion is incoherent as a concept or what? There is nothing inherently wrong with the quote.

>> No.5876080

>>5874595
These germans that can't define Geist.

I always think it as the "wholeness" of mind. Conscience together with its knowledge, cultural and historical influence. The "I" that's inside my body and defines my identity, but it's not material.

Anyway, i'm probably very wrong.

>> No.5876169

>>5876063
Yes, it is inherently incoherent you stubborn asswipe. Its intelligibility hides in the undefined term "spirit". What is spirit? And how does a spirit "cuts" into anything? Wittgenstein would laugh at both of you.

Plus, you're misapplying a concept of Computation Theory to Nietzschean sophistry.

>> No.5876173

>>5876169
He definitely does define it, just not in that sentence. Recursion doesn't just apply to computation theory, it's a pretty simple idea.

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5876179

>>5876169
>doesn't know geist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geist

>is a German word. Depending on context it can be translated as the English words mind, spirit, or ghost, covering the semantic field of these three English nouns. Some English translators resort to using "spirit/mind" or "spirit (mind)" to help convey the meaning of the term.

>> No.5876196

>>5876179

>Depending on context it can be translated as the English words mind, spirit, or ghost
So which one is it you handicapped retard?

>>5876173
>He definitely does define it, just not in that sentence.
Quote me that sentence. Even if by "spirit" he meant "mind", his one-liner is still intelligible.

>Recursion doesn't just apply to computation theory, it's a pretty simple idea.
And yes, strictly speaking, it does apply only to computation theory; just as infinity applies only to Set Theory. Outside of these theories, the concepts become abused all too quickly.

>> No.5876200

>>5876196
>intelligible
unintelligible

>> No.5876220

>>5876196
>The word Geist is etymologically identical to the English ghost (from a Common Germanic *gaistaz) but has retained its full range of meanings, while some applications of the English word ghost had become obsolete by the 17th century, replaced with the Latinate spirit.[3]

>> No.5876224

>>5876220
>"The ghost is the life that cuts through life"

Nietzsche confirmed for /x/.

>> No.5876225

>>5876196
Strictly speaking then, numerals only apply to number theory, and we aren't allowed to say 'one' or 'two'. I assure you the concept of recursion is much older than computation theory, the word was just borrowed because it's evocative.

>> No.5876230

>>5874611
This post has copypasta potential.

>> No.5876241

>>5876225
Number theory deals primarily with numbers and their properties, not signs that *stand for* the numbers. It's a well-known, although dogmatic in its Platonism, distinction of mathematics between numerals and numbers.

"One" or "two" are not as complex concepts as "recursion" or "infinity"; the former two rarely get abused in their use.

>> No.5876244

>>5876196
Anglophone here. I can't speak German but I've read enough Hegel to know you're a moron.
>So which one is it you handicapped retard?
Some things don't directly translate from one language to another. If you don't understand this you should go back to second grade.
>Even if by "spirit" he meant "mind", his one-liner is still intelligible.
>unintelligible
No it isn't. Have you read Nietzsche? Are you at all familiar with the concept of Geist?
To me, this line seems to me to be connected to Hegel's concept of Spirit. For Hegel Spirit is mind which knows itself as mind, and is a higher form of being than mere consciousness. (inb4 you say something truly idiotic about falisification.)
I think what Nietzsche is trying to say is that a spirited individual, or spirit acting through individuals, is inherently destructive. This isn't unique to him. Plato talks about Thymos, which means spiritedness in Greek, in the Republic, and makes similar observations about spirited individuals, i.e., it's important that they learn to control and harness the spirited side of their being instead of just letting it control them. Plato and Hegel have very different ideas about what 'spirit' and 'spiritedness' are, but the words they use can be translated the same way into English, so I think it's worth bringing it up.
>And yes, strictly speaking, it does apply only to computation theory
Computation theory is a relatively new intellectual development. Recursion is a very old concept. I highly doubt that there's only one very recently begun language game in which the word can be used meaningfully.
>just as infinity applies only to Set Theory
Anaximander would like a word with you.

>> No.5876247

>>5876200
dose dubs are intelligible

>> No.5876256

>>5874611
check'd

>> No.5876272

>Geist ist das leben, das selber ins leben schneidet.
Your translation is all wrong, it's-
"Ghost is the lesbian, the seltzer in lesbian *sneezes*"

Although I'm not sure why Nietzsche needed to tell us he sneezed.

>> No.5876296

>>5876244
>No it isn't.
Yes it is and it still continues to be. Your subsequent "elaboration" elaborates nothing of value and leaves me into more doubt that whatever was meant by the quote is at all meaningful.

> Are you at all familiar with the concept of Geist?
Are you? Elucidate, if so. A poster before you tried to do that, but he couldn't seem to decide between "mind", "ghost" and a third meaning.

>To me, this line seems to me to be connected to Hegel's concept of Spirit. For Hegel Spirit is mind which knows itself as mind, and is a higher form of being than mere consciousness.
Call me when it won't merely SEEM to you, but you will actually be able to back up your interpretation as to whether it is really really connected to Hegel. And "Spirit is mind which knows itself as mind"? What is meant by this? Literally rubbish by modern standards of epistemic logic and cognitive science.

>I think what Nietzsche is trying to say is that a spirited individual, or spirit acting through individuals, is inherently destructive. This isn't unique to him. Plato talks about Thymos, which means spiritedness in Greek, in the Republic, and makes similar observations about spirited individuals, i.e., it's important that they learn to control and harness the spirited side of their being instead of just letting it control them.
It's amazing how much horseshit one can derive from a single quote of Nietzsche. To repeat myself: You have said nothing substantive at all.

>> No.5876315

>>5874611
Shut your mouth. I hope you get your fucking dick knocked loose on the streets, pretentious-ass motherfucker

>> No.5876316

>>5876296
>Yes it is
Look, if you don't want to engage with the text, that's your own fault, not mine, not Nietzsche's, not any Germanfag's, yours.
>Elucidate, if so
See the rest of my post.
>but he couldn't seem to decide between "mind", "ghost" and a third meaning.
It meanas all of those things. Again, some words/concepts don't directly translate from one language to another. The meaning of 'geist' is somewhere beyond and between spirit, ghost, and mind.
>but you will actually be able to back up your interpretation as to whether it is really really connected to Hegel.
>http://ebooks.cambridge.org/chapter.jsf?bid=CBO9780511624780&cid=CBO9780511624780A008
>In the opinion of Gilles Deleuze, as we saw in the last chapter, Nietzsche is to be seen as a powerful critic of Hegelian dialectic. Deleuze not only claims that Nietzsche knew Hegel's texts well, he also maintains that Nietzsche exposes once and for all the life-denying ‘slave’ mentality underlying Hegel's philosophy.
Nietzsche was familiar with Hegel, and geist is a central concept in Hegel. It only makes sense for him to respond to Hegel's ideas. The recursive (yes, you read it) nature of this passage also has a dialectical and overtly Hegelian feel to it.
>And "Spirit is mind which knows itself as mind"? What is meant by this? Literally rubbish by modern standards of epistemic logic and cognitive science.
Not rubbish if you're familiar with Hegel or German idealism in general.
>To repeat myself: You have said nothing substantive at all.
Are you sure? I've provided examples of other thinkers who talked about the same concepts. You're the one blowing raspberries while saying 'lel Wittgenstein' and closing your ears.

By your reasoning, I guess nothing written before the 20th century is worth reading or thinking about. I agree that Nietzsche is full of shit, but your way of writing him off is pure vulgarity.

>> No.5876328

>>5874611
Twiggy is a massive faggot with a small penis. That is all.

>> No.5876335

>>5874595
Can't you just make a Nietzsche General so I don't have to filter this guy with his ugly fucking stache every single day

>> No.5876341

>>5874611

>the best ironically shitposting tripfag

paradise take notes

>> No.5876475

>embrace eternal recurrence cus too scared to admit buddhaschopenhaur was right and life sucks

kek

>> No.5876480

>>5876341
I think one should contribute to this board, that's what I do, honestly; some people don't like it but at least I'm sincere. Irony is for postmodernism and thats old hat now.

>> No.5876484

>>5876480
Ahem.

>> No.5876498

I have Roman emperor hair according to numerous girls (and weirdly, my mom).

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>>5874611
>/lit/ tripfags

This is akin to [s4s] style funposting