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Why read fiction if not for pleasure?

>> No.5872910

I have sex with books.

>> No.5872913

>>5872902
stop posting sexually arousing images, how am i to read

>> No.5872949

because pleasure

>> No.5872950

There are different forms of pleasure. There are more ways to be entertained than by say, what you get out of a crime novel.

I'm reading The Road right now and I would in no way consider it a "fun" book or in anyway "suspenseful", but I am enjoying how it was written, the complete and utter bleakness of it, and the struggle of its characters. I enjoy it but I would not describe it as pleasurable reading.

>> No.5872952

>>5872950
>There are different forms of pleasure...

I agree with this, basically, but I'd say there are a lot of different senses, sensations, that the word "pleasure" covers that people like to equivocate between when they talk about reading versus fucking or whatever.

>> No.5872966

>>5872952
>>5872950


COCTEAU

Appreciation of art is a moral erection; otherwise mere dilettantism. I believe sexuality is the basis of all

http://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/4485/the-art-of-fiction-no-34-jean-cocteau

GOAT interview

>> No.5872978

To have more sensuous understanding of the world that surrounds you... four pleasure, of course, since everything we do is for pleasure to some extent.

I, for example, used the wit I attained from books to hit a third-year high-school prego until she, not without my persuading her to it, revealed she is such. It was followed by my absent minded utterance"aaaahhhh", then a successful contriving of an image of a helpful, cheerful fellow that doesn't care if you are pregnant, or I hope so.

that was today

>> No.5872981

>>5872978
>four pleasure

ignore it

>> No.5872984

For the pursuit of greater intelligence and understanding of Universe - self-improvement, to rephrase.

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>>5872981
>

>> No.5872991

A good book is entertaining, edifying, educational, even enlightening.

>> No.5872996

>>5872902
For power or survival. When history repeats itself, you will know how to take advantage of the time you will live in.

>> No.5873010

Because I like other Patricians like looking smart to other people, even if we aren't really smart.

>> No.5873049

>>5872902
enlightenment is just another form of entertainment. so is wisdom.


so yeah, youre right

>> No.5873160 [DELETED] 

>>5872902
pleasure. toni Morrison said something along the lines of a person who doesn't read lives one life. a person who reads lives many.

I think fiction can be a revealer of truth about reality in ways that's hard to spell out in nonfiction. not common but I think this is true. or at least in fiction the truth can be revealed in a much more concise and universally understood way.

>> No.5873227

It sucks to think a girl has never been that comfortable and attracted to me to play around like the girl in the photo is doing. I hope I get to kiss a girl before I die.

>> No.5873482

>>5873227
She pretends to spread her vag with middle and index finger of her right hand and would go in with her left, probably middle finger.

>>5872902
Source or name, OP?

>>5872978
WTF are you talking about? Did you fug, tho?

>> No.5873494

>>5872902
>pleasure
>muh enlightenment
>interesting questions
>you want to know something about an aspect of writing
>for moral edification

>> No.5873508

fiction properly engaged-with conditions the mind to be receptive to modes of instruction and thinking

which can be pleasurable or not

>> No.5873513

>>5873227

I know that shitty feel all too well. B-best of luck to you..

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>>5873227
so what if you don't? i'll probably never use a snowboard while sky diving like the white power ranger

instead of focusing on the lack of pleasure, focus on the potential for pleasure. the possibility of kissing a woman should bring you joy, not pain. you are lucky enough to be able to experience intense erotic romantic and animalistic pleasure!

>> No.5873520

>>5873227
That was beautiful, anon.

>> No.5873522

>>5873227
yes you will. don't worry, it isn't rocket science.

>> No.5873557

>>5873227

Judging by her face, pajamas, and breast size I would guess she is 'underage' anyway - a child barely starting puberty.

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>>5872902

>that russian
>those pijamas

adorable

>> No.5873793

Girl's name is Ivana Fuckalot fyi

>> No.5873798

>>5873227
My gf sometimes wiggles and spanks her ass at me.

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>>5873557
she's over 18

OP, fiction is both pleasurable and edifying.

>> No.5874081

Most things you do is derived from the search pleasure. Including science, sex, reading (even none fiction), working ect. Sure you might not enjoy working, but you sure enjoy not living on the streets.

>> No.5874163

>>5873227

>tfw already lost the hollywood game

>> No.5874232

>>5873809
>>5872902
is that Ivana Fukalot? Haven't seen here in a while

>> No.5874241

The other reasons are to develop empathy and to mythologize your psyche.

>> No.5874254

Why do anything if not for pleasure? Everything is about some kind of pleasure or averting some sort of pain, physical or psychological. Read Max Stirner, yo.

>> No.5874255

>>5872902
Is it weird that when I read I have a very strong urge to masturbate

>> No.5874257

>>5873557
>I am an expert in child pornography

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>>5872902
>Why read fiction if not for pleasure?

Well fiction can be used to enhance learning but yeah 90% of the time it's because you want to enjoy a good story well told. "tfw no girlfriend only fiction to dull the pain

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>>5873482
>Source or name, OP?

Ivana Fukalot.

>> No.5874315

>>5874313

heh, vulgar name for such a precious pearl.

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5874700

"Literature is entertainment or it is nothing" - Thomas Ligotti

This is worth a read and partly addresses this topic:
http://www.ligotti.net/showthread.php?t=420

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>>5874700

yeah because nothing say "entertainment" like this crawling in my skin tier bullshit

>> No.5874719

>>5874255
yes

go to your nearest church immediately

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5874726

the only valid way to rate a book is based on how much you got off on it

>> No.5874745

>>5874713
>>5874700

stinking up a good thread with that hack...

this place is really worse than reddit

>> No.5874935

Encoded in fiction, can hide messages uncomfortable, or unfit for other categories.

>> No.5874945

Fiction excels at psychological insight.

>> No.5874997

Life-changing insight.

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>>5873519
>you will never use a snowboard while sky diving like the white power ranger

>> No.5875061

>>5873227
r.i.p. in peace

>> No.5875065

>>5874935
>>5874945
>>5874997
Maybe I'm just weird, but when I read for 'insight' or something, I don't think it's really an insight in the sense that it tells me an actual truth about the world or something. Like, I don't expect any utility out of it - if I did, I'd probably be despairing at this point, because I've come to a point where I am at best highly suspect of the ability of fiction to describe or reveal the world. When I read for 'insight,' I'm hoping for some revelation that will make me think, yes, but I'm sort of just hoping for that because I enjoy thinking, I enjoy the feeling of that revelation, not because I actually expect it to change something.

Am I a horrible, bourgeois dilettante?