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Rank these in terms of importance:

Theme

Plot

Characters

Setting

Dialogue

Style

>> No.5872327

Theme
Plot
Characters
Setting
Dialogue
Style

>> No.5872330

Theme
Characters
Plot
Dialogue
Style
Setting

>> No.5872351

>>5872325
Mood
Plot
Characters
Dialogue
Style
Setting

>> No.5872357

>>5872325
1. Style
2. Theme

Everything else is subservient to these two.

>> No.5872361

Plot
Twists
References
Jokes
Drug use
Is it lolsorandum

>> No.5872365

theme
style
plot
characters
setting
dialogue

>> No.5872366

wikipedia summary
prose
atmosphere
soundtrack
length
fluidity
viscousness
malleability
lightness
kafkaesqueness
david
foster
wallllaaaccee

>> No.5872367

style
dialogue
setting
characters
theme
plot

>> No.5872380

Theme
Style
Setting
Dialogue
Characters
Plot

Anyone with two or more varying from this is a huge, huge pleb

>> No.5872389

>>5872380
>two or more
Isn't that effectively "any"?

>> No.5872398

>>5872325
Theme
Style
Characters
Dialogue
Setting
Plot

>> No.5872410
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5872410

So I'm gonna be the one who says no ingredient is more important than the other because without the others the whole doesn't exist?

>>5872351
I like mood a lot. Its the most difficult to come by. Only a few novels do it well.

>> No.5872411

>>5872366

>> No.5872435

>>5872410
> without the others the whole doesn't exist
Even if that were a valid reason for saying they were equally important (which I don't think it is), it's sort of irrelevant, because there are certain 'wholes' without some of the ingredients - dialogue, for example.

>> No.5872436

Plot
Characters
Dialogue

the rest i don't care

>> No.5872439

>>5872436
What do you read?

>> No.5872451

1. Setting
2. Theme
3. Style
4. Dialogue
5. Characters
6. Plot

>> No.5872468

>>5872389
:^^)

But nah, not in linear order.

>> No.5872516

>>5872435
Yeah but because say dialogue is interdependent on other aspects (style etc), you can't isolate it and say its the most important. Your favorite novel isn't exclusively dialogue.

>> No.5872581

>>5872325
Literature isn't mathematical, stop trying to make it so.

>> No.5872615

>>5872325
1. Theme
2. Characters
3. Style
4. Setting
5. Dialogue
6. Plot

>> No.5873092

>>5872325
Ranking the mechanics of literature is pointless because their value is entirely dependent on the text they are present in. Dialogue is not necessary for a soliloquy, for example, but for a play dialogue is a necessity

>> No.5873096
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5873096

Characters
Setting
Theme
Dialogue
Plot
Style

>> No.5873130

Style > Characters = Dialog > Plot > Setting > theme

>all these people desperate to look intelligent saying theme is the most important.

>> No.5873133

>>5872325
1. Style
2. Theme
3. Characters
4. Dialogue
5. Plot
6. Setting

>> No.5873134

depends on the damn piece

/thread

>> No.5873136

>all these anons indifferent to plot

This is how you tell /lit/ is patrician

>> No.5873359

Style
Characters
Plot
Dialogue
Setting
Theme

>> No.5873371

characters = style > dialogue > plot > setting > theme

everybody that says theme is pretending

>> No.5873375

Having a point + not grating on the reader's senses

>> No.5873378

>>5872439
ripping yarns

>> No.5873379

>>5872325
style
theme
characters
plot
dialogue
setting

>> No.5873385

most to least important:
Characters
Setting
Dialogue
Style
Theme
Plot

>> No.5873469

>>5873092
Style is omnipresent, though.

>> No.5873483

>>5872516
I was actually referring to dialogue's non-necessity, since you can pretty easily have a whole without the ingredient of dialogue.

> Your favorite novel isn't exclusively dialogue.
Neither my favorite nor exclusively dialogue, but JR's pretty high up on both spectrums. Of course, it also has other elements (dialogue without character would be a lofty undertaking), but I think that speaks to the fact that dialogue is very dependent on other elements.

>> No.5873509

>>5872366
I love you.

Don't ever forget that.

>> No.5873518

Style
Theme
Characters
Dialogue
Plot
Setting

>> No.5873531

Theme
Style
Characters
Setting
Dialogue
Plot

>> No.5873538

>>5872325
DIALOGUE
THEMe
STYle
CHARACter
SETting
pplot

>> No.5873909

>>5872357
1. Theme
Everything else is subservient

>> No.5873932

>>5872325
Story is most important.

>> No.5873977

>>5873909
"Killing is wrong."

Have I written a masterpiece yet?

>> No.5873986

>>5872325
style
theme
characters
plot
dialogue
setting

>>5872366
lol

this post works a lot better if 'wallace' is pronounced 'wallacey'

>> No.5874133

>>5873977
No, because a statement as simple as that does not constitute a theme. Writing a story is about crating an empathic connection between yourself and the reader. You won't be able to do that by spouting platitudes at them.

>> No.5874160

>>5874133
> Writing a story is about crating an empathic connection between yourself and the reader. You won't be able to do that by spouting platitudes at them.
Yes, because substance is worthless without style.

>> No.5874169

>>5874160
What I'm saying is that the exercise of style is subservient to substance.

>> No.5874178

Any examples of authors with great theme and style but forgettable plot? I can think of Joyce, who else?

>> No.5874209

>>5874169
I get that, but I don't think it's what you're actually describing. If theme were all that mattered, then the quality of a book would be dependent on the content of its messages and ideas, regardless of the form of their communication. But that's clearly not true, since novelists write fiction instead of homiletic essays (most of the time, at least). And I'd take a paucity of substance but an abundance of style over the reverse, generally.

>> No.5874860

>>5874178
I think Albert Camus' the Stranger would fit that idea.