Why is it popular to be anti-intellectual? Why are the sheep brainwashed to fear intellectualism?

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Anonymous Fri Dec 12 20:55:12 2014 No.5853361 [Reply] [Original]

Why is it popular to be anti-intellectual?

Why are the sheep brainwashed to fear intellectualism?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 20:56:47 2014 No.5853368 >>5853361 Why don't you have a crack at answering that instead of posting copypasta

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 20:57:14 2014 No.5853370 Because being intellectual requires effort.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 20:58:21 2014 No.5853373 >>5853361 why do you think you're a special snowflake for enjoying reading, one of the most common activities in western history?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 20:59:09 2014 No.5853377 File: 27 KB, 105x97, chloeface.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >people who call themselves intellectuals >people who call other people anti-intellectual sheep

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 21:00:21 2014 No.5853382 >>5853373 >one of the most common activities uhhhhhhh

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 21:00:41 2014 No.5853386
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>Why is it popular to be anti-intellectual?
I don't think it is where I live. Maybe it is for you because most people you know are stupid and can't relate to your perceived notion of intellectualism.

>Why are the sheep brainwashed to fear intellectualism?
They, or we, or whatever a 'sheep' is to you, aren't. It's just that higher intelligence isn't very common.

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 21:04:14 2014 No.5853401

>>5853370
I just find it odd, then, that something that requires so much effort should be unattractive to the majority of the population. There, of course, are girls that are into smart guys.

But think about this: those girls who are into smart guys may just be into them because they appear intelligent, not are. This difference doesn't matter at first, but if you think about it, they are just about antithetical to each other, for if you wish to appear smart, then you aren't very smart at all: superficial materialism is not indicative of intelligence or creativity, after all.

What it all boils down to is that women want a guy who embodies an archetype, and men want women who embody archetypes. So they're lost in a miasma of confusion, looking for that superficial someone, while the ones they were meant to be with pass them by in search of a better ideal.

Nietzsche touched on how our morality encourages duller, dumber individuals, being that the hierarchical pyramid is always wider at the bottom and, thus, requires more beings, but I guess I never realized the full ramifications of our morality at this point.

Everything really is just Surface.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 21:21:10 2014 No.5853473 >>5853401 >>>/r9k/

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 21:32:24 2014 No.5853520 >>5853401 I think you just have shit friends and dumb female friends., if at all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 21:35:01 2014 No.5853528 >>5853386 You have obviously never seen anything on TV.

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 21:35:15 2014 No.5853529

>>5853401
people create a kind of anima/animus, but the reality of the person they are looking for is distorted by idealizing a certain kind of person as opposed to what they are actually compatible with.

id personally say that our current society is at the peak of ignorance, considering how easily the masses are lead and the degree of systematized dumbing down that occurs, there is pretty much no escape.

of course Nietzsche actually mentions that the noble man in such a society would be a freak occurrence- he is the outsider who's vision penetrates past the average everyday-ness of the "other-self", as Heidegger put it

this is completely different from being "intelligent" and having a degree or high IQ or some bullshit like that, having good grades just means you're a great robot

the point being that we get ingrained into patterns that are based on a reactive instinct to find some form of social validation, existential dread occurs as a result of the build up and you begin to distance yourself away from how you actually experience the world

Freud mentions in Civilization and its Discontents that this is how society actually progresses and operates best- when you really get down to it, strangely enough, psychedelic drugs appear to be the only way to break through all these fear based moral instincts that are characteristic of the herd mentality

the questions come afterwards a significant experience like that for most people

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 21:35:20 2014 No.5853530 >>5853386 You gonna eat that pepper, Pepe?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 21:36:43 2014 No.5853533 >>5853529 sorry for the grammatical errors, im kind of drunk right now, but hopefully you get the point

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 21:39:22 2014 No.5853541 >>5853533 You're manic anon, go to bed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 21:42:57 2014 No.5853557 >>5853541 well, you're right about that

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 21:43:20 2014 No.5853561

>>5853361
I usually do not, but the way this is written deserves it.
*Tips fedora*

>>5853401
>those girls who are into smart guys may just be into them because they appear intelligent, not are.
I have a super nerdy girlfriend that likes me because of my ability to do mathematics but does not seem to be very impressed by my insights.

>superficial materialism
This doesn't mean what you think it means.

>Everything really is just Surface.
I. e. intellectualism doesn't exist.

>>5853529
>id personally say that our current society is at the peak of ignorance
Ignorance is the same throughout the ages. No matter how much light you give people, they are blind and don't notice it.

>this is completely different from being "intelligent" and having a degree or high IQ or some bullshit like that,
High IQ people generally are critically thinking and such, but not necessarily so I agree to some degree.

>having good grades just means you're a great robot
*Tips fedora*

>all these fear based moral instincts that are characteristic of the herd mentality
>moral instincts

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 21:44:28 2014 No.5853568 >>5853561 >I have a super nerdy girlfriend that likes me because of my ability to do mathematics I can't tell if this line is worse if it's real or fake fuck

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 21:46:12 2014 No.5853575 I don't think people are anti-intellectual so much as uninterested in pursuing intellectualism

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 21:53:08 2014 No.5853607

>>5853561
>Ignorance is the same throughout the ages. No matter how much light you give people, they are blind and don't notice it.
well to the extent that technology allows ease of access it only makes sense that the easier it becomes for people to feel comfortable the weaker they actually become

>High IQ people generally are critically thinking and such, but not necessarily so I agree to some degree.
>having good grades just means you're a great robot
>*Tips fedora*
well what im getting at here is idealizing intelligence in the wrong way, the point being that it doesn't matter how many degrees you have, and defining yourself strictly by your performance in university or school is just another way of succumbing to a kind of bullshit self validating inferiority complex

>all these fear based moral instincts that are characteristic of the herd mentality
>moral instincts
yes, there is a moral instinct
not necessarily hard wired into our brains, but more of a kind of trained emotional response to a certain situation

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 21:55:49 2014 No.5853615
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It's funny how people will go on /lit or /mu/ or most places of the internet and act as though they're enlightened, or intelligent, or passionate about a certain art form/hobby. Because all of these kind of elitist forums are just like TV- entertainment that makes someone lazy and dumb. And what's worse about places like /lit/ is that unlike TV watchers, they don't know that they're doing a terribly lazy and unintelligent thing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 21:58:27 2014 No.5853624 >>5853575 That's exactly the point. They fear actual intelligence and just try to emulate it. Like this guy >>5853561

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 22:01:20 2014 No.5853630 >>5853361 >satirical-art I hope the satire is directed at people who actually think reading is somehow more intelligent than watching TV.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 22:03:33 2014 No.5853635 >>5853630 >cognitive value don't real

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 22:10:48 2014 No.5853656

>>5853615

>everything must be perfect and meet my expectations or it is complete shit and everyone is a fraud and a phony and dumb as fuck

/lit/ is literally academic literary scholarship with no peer review, no way to check credentials, and with no sheeple political correctness faggotry. Why do you have such high expectations for how "perfect" it should be because it isn't boring and polished like what you are used to?

Jesus christ stop watching so much television. Real life and real people are not airbrushed. They are rough and idiosyncratic and hypocritical and have poor grammar. Get over it shitlord.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 22:11:15 2014 No.5853658 >>5853630 There are just about zero television shows with any intellectual merit. Watch a fucking documentary or something.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 22:14:06 2014 No.5853665 >>5853615 I chuckled

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 22:17:39 2014 No.5853675 Because my environment was built around tearing each other down, so I've grown fine with letting my brain destroy itself out of spite.

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 22:22:04 2014 No.5853695

>>5853675
Also, I've recently tried to avoid intellectual pursuits and chose instead to withdraw and just pick my mind apart constantly, like writing everything down then scanning for underlying patterns and watching them complicate. Is metacognition even that intelligent? I have no idea, but I hate how my brain is inhibited by the faculties of language, like the word "metacognition." It's neat, but it feels like my brain's being polluted every which way.

But I digress, can you be intelligent without following those common pursuits?

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 22:30:10 2014 No.5853712

>>5853615

There is some truth to this, but the comparison isn't perfectly apt. A lot of posters here will balance shitposting on /lit/ out with actually tackling things that are intellectually stimulating and demanding in their leisure time. Whereas the "TV watchers" you refer to rarely if ever choose to take on intellectually difficult things of their own volition during their own hours of leisure.

e/lit/es are only slightly less superficial, but still superficial all the same.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 22:30:59 2014 No.5853713 Because people would prefer a dumb confident guy over a shy smart guy

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 22:57:18 2014 No.5853770 >>5853675 >Because my environment was built around tearing each other down How sad is this. You fell for the Powers that be's tactics to keep you under.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 22:58:05 2014 No.5853773 h-how come we n-never talk about b-b-books?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 23:00:50 2014 No.5853783 >>5853773 Because you've never started the greeks yet. That or you're a YA faggot pleb.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 23:06:50 2014 No.5853793 >>5853783 Όχι

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 23:07:57 2014 No.5853797

>>5853361
Did you ever consider that being a self-invovlved condescending twat might not be sexy?

What are the "vapid" TV shows that the plebs watch? Top Model, American Idol, reality shows, right? What are those shows about? Power, motherfucker. They make Sun Tzu's art o' War look like fuckin Nickelodeon, brah.

Just because it's pop culture doesn't mean people aren't interested in the same questions as you, and just because they aren't considering the questions in ways that lend themselves to intentional obfuscation doesn't mean they're taking them less seriously.

tl;dr you the fuckin sheep, college boy

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 23:13:10 2014 No.5853823 >>5853797 I have a Bachelor's, which I cannot say for the rest of /lit/

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 23:14:16 2014 No.5853830

In my own life experience, it comes down to the crushing weight of everything else in life.

Earlier this year I finally moved out and lived on my own. I'd come home from work everyday, exhausted, to an empty house. I had to deal with bills, with job responsibilities and life responsibilities, and I found myself just vegging out in front of the tv/internet until I passed out every night. This was the least I ever read in my whole life.

Now, imagine having a family on top of that. Or two jobs. Or any number of other things. It's far easier to not care about politics/culture/intellectual pursuits. I'm almost sure this is why the middle class is so lifeless.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 23:19:18 2014 No.5853849 because an intellectual is a person whose end products are all ideas and who seldom if ever is held accountable for the consequences of these ideas

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 23:23:26 2014 No.5853861 >>5853797 Yeah, buying into myths and lies are fucking intellectual and serious shit indeed. I bet you consider PopSci real science too. And don't kid yourself into believing that they are about power. This shows how little you really know.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 23:24:27 2014 No.5853864 >>5853830 >I'm almost sure this is why the middle class is so lifeless. Welcome to real life, anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 23:26:03 2014 No.5853874 >>5853861 Not him but they are about power and aggression, specifically it being played out but removed from reality or retribution outside its form. Just sayin

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 23:26:56 2014 No.5853877

>>5853864
I'm not so sure I'm happy to be here. I never knew just how crushing everything was. I've gotten used to it a bit, and I'm back to reading and slowly reintroducing my old hobbies/interests, but it's never going to be like it was when I didn't have "real life" responsibilities.

When am I going to get off this ride, anon?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 23:32:07 2014 No.5853897 >>5853361 because popular culture is anti-intellectual

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 23:33:42 2014 No.5853902 >>5853849 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmFBzuLJ6ac

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 00:06:34 2014 No.5854054 >>5853902 Do libertarians get their wings after they spam their 500th cato video or something?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 00:08:20 2014 No.5854066 >>5853877 if you want to avoid it all, move to a cheap country and work like 10h a week. or rob a bank.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 00:10:34 2014 No.5854081 >>5853656 /lit/ is not the worst thing in the world but it's definitely not scholarship. I'm not even sure how you would get the idea that it is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 00:16:02 2014 No.5854105 >>5854054 we do get rewarded for making empty headed liberals upset on 4chin

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 00:17:14 2014 No.5854109

A lack of interest combined with the difficulty of intellectualism. They aren't "sheep", though. It's just that if you've grown up in recent society it's more difficult to sit down and read a book for some time or consider whatever philosophy when entertainment is right next to you. This is partly a fault of people, but having a place I know I can go to and constantly be moderately entertained makes it much more difficult to go with a book than I'd like to admit. I doubt I'm the only one with this problem.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 00:18:15 2014 No.5854110 >>5854054 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6ZPg6kOBkc have another video, and try to learn something this time

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 00:22:01 2014 No.5854123 >>5853361 because intellectualism is a sub-culture. It is sensible for mainstream culture to be suspicious of the minority.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 00:30:11 2014 No.5854144 >>5853361 Is this cartoon equating wheel-chair bound persons with lazy burgerstanis? Isn't that kind of a lazy metaphor?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 00:31:52 2014 No.5854149 >>5854144 You don't pass the intellectual test. Go watch Breaking Bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 00:33:26 2014 No.5854157 No one who wastes time here is an intellectual.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 00:34:02 2014 No.5854159 >>5854149 It's gonna be okay, Oppie.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 00:35:26 2014 No.5854165 >>5854066 might do this

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 00:35:40 2014 No.5854166 Everyone thinks everybody else is stupid because we don't have the time, energy or desire to entertain each other with whatever goes on in our minds. Now fuck off back to Reddit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 00:36:27 2014 No.5854169 >>5854157 I think you're being too hard on yourself and undervaluing the potential. >>5854159 Here's a hint: the handicap symbol isn't literal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 00:49:01 2014 No.5854208 >>5854169 Here's a hint: it's a bad use of a symbol. No need to be all pissy about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 00:53:05 2014 No.5854216 >>5853361 Cause of religion's effect on culture, which has been around for a while

>>	fagve Sat Dec 13 00:53:24 2014 No.5854218 File: 848 KB, 2048x1536, photo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >this thread >mfw I now have my own smug image reaction

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 00:55:20 2014 No.5854222 >>5854218 Is that a rabbit?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 00:55:32 2014 No.5854223 >>5854208 I'm not, friend. Just trying to help you understand my image.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 00:59:17 2014 No.5854236 >>5853386 i don't know why or how you turned this into a gender issue, but OK dude. your hangups aren't our business.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 01:00:18 2014 No.5854241 >>5854236 meant for >>5853401

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 03:25:48 2014 No.5854638 File: 45 KB, 636x478, OddBall097.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5853658 If you don't believe the various facets of entertainment aren't somewhat intelligent, I dimma-doubt that you are.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 09:01:15 2014 No.5855127 >>5853830 Just do what i do anon, smoke a joint, listen to beethoven, bach, mozart, or vivaldi. you don't have to read anything in order to stimulate your imagination.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 09:06:48 2014 No.5855134 >>5854638 Television, the most manufactured of all mediums, is not intelligent. It's barely entertainment.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 09:25:33 2014 No.5855180 >>5853797 >They make Sun Tzu's art o' War look like fuckin Nickelodeon, brah. hang yourself you fucking faggot i can't believe you thought it would be a good idea to write like that

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 09:35:38 2014 No.5855209 >>5853361 Because socialists and capitalist both hate smart people. One hates elitism, while the others only like Capital and value things that make more of it.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 16:49:38 2014 No.5856666 >>5853830 Just listen to audiobooks. I never liked them but recently I'm too sleepy to attentively read and it's easier to listen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 16:59:39 2014 No.5856696 >>5853401 kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 17:04:23 2014 No.5856705 >>5855180 As opposed to your safe no caps, no punctuation nihilistic IRC user writing style?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 17:05:15 2014 No.5856709 >>5853861 they absolutely are. how could they not be? have you ever watched them?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 17:05:49 2014 No.5856710 >>5853377 I agree with your sentiment, but I'd like to add >people who post reaction jpgs

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 17:06:49 2014 No.5856716 no. it's more popular being a middlebrow intellect as seen on /lit/

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 17:07:38 2014 No.5856719 >>5853401 Its you man, its all you. Think about this. Youre not any wiser than the people you are mocking, youve just read more stuff that you dont actually understand.

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 17:08:59 2014 No.5856729

>>5853361

maybe because the worst way to go about telling someone they are brainwashed is to say they are a brainwashed sheep you pretentious prick. id rather hang out with "brainwashed" people than someone who thinks they are an "intellectual"

bait aside, i really hate this fucking board sometimes. i swear people on here are just better spoken and more informed /b/tards

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 18:47:50 2014 No.5857207 >>5856710 Where the fuck do you think you are? >imageboard I've never heard anyone dumber than your shit this month.

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 20:20:10 2014 No.5857602

>>5853361
>Why is it popular to be anti-intellectual?
Anti-intellectualism is in large part a product of liberal democracy and also capitalism where the absolute value is what sells. More people having a voice means more mediocrity. Consumers having the last word means mediocrity.

Also, /lit/ is highly anti-intellectual, not much less than the rest of the 4chan boards.

>>	Tallis !!y+12CeFwYOo Sat Dec 13 20:21:39 2014 No.5857609 Intellectualism is a form of rhetoric, a learned language like another, not a sign of superior intelligence, and anyone behaving as an intellectual IRL in front of me will get BTFO

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 20:22:49 2014 No.5857611 >>5856719 But what if I understand it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 20:25:35 2014 No.5857619 >>5857609 >Daily reminder people who start with the Greeks want to read about donkey rape. Maybe I just wanted to drink some wine and talk pederasty and poems with you, Thomas?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 20:25:59 2014 No.5857620 >>5857609 Being pretentious =/= intellectualism

Tallis !!y+12CeFwYOo Sat Dec 13 20:29:13 2014 No.5857626

>>5857619
That doesn't sound too intellectual

>>5857620
It's different, yet it's two forms of posturing. Someone who behaves as an intellectual in a social context is an insecure faggot who has no other forms of justification for his presence amongst his peers and should be shown the way out

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 20:31:13 2014 No.5857632 >>5857626 What is behaving as an 'intellectual'? I had what I consider to be an intellectual conversation the other week with a former coworker about economic trends and society as a whole. Was quite wonderful. And she contributed well, also.

>>	Tallis !!y+12CeFwYOo Sat Dec 13 20:32:11 2014 No.5857635 >>5857632 Well if you're only speaking to a single person, it's alright; you're not putting on a show.

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 20:32:18 2014 No.5857636

>>5857609
>Intellectualism
You're setting up a false opposition. Anti-intellectualism isn't against *intellectualism* i.e. a style or form of discourse that is primarily based on exclusion of unprivileged in relation to education. Anti-intellectualism is against *intellectuals*, those that question the dogma. Whether the result of such questioning is positive or negative with regards to dogma doesn't matter, what matters is that anti-intellectualism doesn't like a higher level of think as such because it is potentially threating and a reaction itself to it requires some thought or activity.

In short, anti-intellectualism wants status quo in relation to thinking.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 20:32:53 2014 No.5857639 >>5853361 because the word intellectual is synonymous today with better-than-you. probably for good reasons too, so just get over it you try hard faggots

>>	Tallis !!y+12CeFwYOo Sat Dec 13 20:36:39 2014 No.5857654 >>5857636 nigga anti-intellectuals don't think such shit an intellectual-ass nigga das that shit they don't like

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 20:37:59 2014 No.5857659

>>5857635
The point of intellectualism isn't to put on a show, you moron, that's pretension.

See, this is exactly what I'm talking about, as funny as it is. Actually think about this issue: because it is a real quandary.

WHY do people automatically think you are trying to show off if you utilize larger words or variegated stances to illustrate concepts, when in reality you are just encouraging intellectualism which is for the benefit of society.

>>	Tallis !!y+12CeFwYOo Sat Dec 13 20:39:55 2014 No.5857663 >>5857659 Because I can use the same words, the same rhetoric, but I don't see why I'd go full-out sperg in a social context where people want to have fun, not hear your retarded-ass superficial opinions about existentialism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 20:41:11 2014 No.5857666 >>5857663 Sharing intellectual conversation can be fun, and if you haven't had one, you don't know what you're missing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 20:42:18 2014 No.5857669 >>5857663 >full-out sperg in a social context This. This is the reason people don't care if you have the audacity to call yourself an "intellectual."

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 20:42:32 2014 No.5857670 >>5853361 Only psuedo-intellectuals complain about anti-intellectualism. I've met older intellectuals who are incredibly humble, you wouldn't even be able to know that they know so much, unlike you OP.

Tallis !!y+12CeFwYOo Sat Dec 13 20:42:58 2014 No.5857673

>>5857666
I've had tons and I got over it, mate. The problem with y'all sperglords is that there's nothing else you know about, and you can't have a normal discussion, so you must repeat the same shit all the time about a select number of philosophers/authors you know.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 20:44:35 2014 No.5857682 File: 250 KB, 600x600, 1418392816188.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5853373 Nigger wtf u on about. tfw im literally the only one i know that actually reads.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 20:46:17 2014 No.5857685 >>5857682 You need to meet more people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 20:49:10 2014 No.5857694 >>5853361 McCarthy ruined everything

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 20:49:11 2014 No.5857695 >>5857685 where?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 20:50:10 2014 No.5857697 >>5857673 What the hell is your problem man. Horrible post. Absolutely horrible. No, you are not correct in your really baseless assumptions, just stop posting altogether please.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 20:51:04 2014 No.5857698 >>5857695 Fucking outside faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 20:56:22 2014 No.5857709 >>5857698 You as well man. Absolutely horrible posts. This was, at one time, a quality thread.

>>	Tallis !!y+12CeFwYOo Sat Dec 13 20:57:18 2014 No.5857712 >>5857709 >>5857697 grow a thicker skin, you motherfucking shitspouting uneducated cock-sucking bitch ass nigga

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 20:57:56 2014 No.5857717 >>5857712 But see, you are obviously the anti-intellectual, and have thus proved my point.

Tallis !!y+12CeFwYOo Sat Dec 13 20:59:33 2014 No.5857725

>>5857717
How do you justify the validy of intellectualism and how would your stance have any form of worth if you use dogmaticism in the affirmation of the value of intellectualism, which is, at its base, an anti-intellectual behavior, that is, one that does not promote discussion and thought?

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 20:59:49 2014 No.5857728

>>5857663
Not that anon, but it's almost an extension of the golden rule: to assume that the other person might think this isn't normal to you probably means it isn't normal to you. Most people (or so I believe of myself and therefore others) do not care if you use the big word or not and a lot of them can parse your meaning even if they cannot define it exactly. You probably can't define all the words you use exactly, because most people can't. But this idea that there aren't people where those terms (whatever length you've decided the rope should be) are their comfort zone is obviously false: if they've actually immersed themselves in something which provides these terms, it's unlikely they're going to use words outside their range of study because of what they encounter more regularly. I believe "He's in management" has been an acceptable social excuse for someone's unusual use of the term "paradigm" for sometime that it has an almost trade meaning.

While shitposting let's tell jokes: A tailor was expanding his shop, and decided he needed more than just the one tailor's goose if he was to take in two apprentices. So he wrote off to order two new new ones from his supplier in the city, and not wanting to seem like a bumpkin to the firm, he agonised over the plural for hours: was it "two tailors' gooses" or "two tailor's geese" or "two tailors' geese"? In the end, he finally decided the best copy and send the firm this:
>Dear Sirs,
>
>I am expanding my tailor's shop and will need an extra tailor's goose. You might as well send me two while you're at it.

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:04:33 2014 No.5857743

>>5857725
Dogmatism? How is dogmatism appropriate here? I'm positing what I believe to be intellectualism and you call it dogmatism.

If you had it your way, everyone would act like a tard in real life and laugh and have fun.

Which is anti-intellectualism.

Now, of course, with your limited mental capacity you're going to extrapolate this and say that I don't support fun, but that's incorrect as well.

But apparently 'dogmatism is at its base' an anti-intellectual behavior huh?

>>>/pol/
>>>/b/

>>	Tallis !!y+12CeFwYOo Sat Dec 13 21:07:35 2014 No.5857751 >>5857743 This post makes no sense. Not that I disagree, but your Bs don't follow from A and your sentences don't connect.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:08:40 2014 No.5857755 >>5857751 It just means you're missing my points is all. Try to meet the minds.

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:10:12 2014 No.5857761

>>5853361
People are scared of anything that could be used to measure one individual against another. Its very taboo in some ways to assert that some people are smarter than others. People equate it in their heads to thinking that some individuals are inherently 'better' than others. We aren't quite yet at that stage where we can just admit that some people are going to be better at some things than others and say that that's okay: it's just luck of the draw.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:11:23 2014 No.5857765 >>5857761 Right, because morality discourages pride.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:13:45 2014 No.5857777 >>5857728 I prefer "and while you are at it, send me another" for the punchline. It has better flow.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:18:43 2014 No.5857795 10/10 would cringe again would screencap for future pseudointellectual tryhards

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:20:48 2014 No.5857803 >>5857777 Nice quads. To be honest I couldn't remember the punch line so I'll cede to yours.

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:26:03 2014 No.5857824

>>5857765
Its not a case of pride though. If someone can run a race faster than another person then you would say one person is faster than another. Just because we have greater difficulty measuring how fast this particular race is run doesn't mean some people aren't faster than others. I don't think being smart is everything, in fact I think most people place too much emphasis (this anon included) on being perceived as clever by those around them. This world needs patient, considerate people more than it needs smart ones

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:28:01 2014 No.5857840

>>5857712
This...fucking this.
After reading this thread it seems to me that most of you are just ready to flaunt the "im so fucking intelligent" card just because you read one or two authors.
Horrible i tell you...HORRIBLE.
Nobody cares, and most being just because they are ridiculously daft, don't even have the time or the patience to sit down and discuss existentialism with your pretentious asshole.

tldr; fuck you faggots.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:28:14 2014 No.5857843 >>5857824 But it is an avenue to be proud of. Your intelligence, and really your knowledge, something not genetically given, is most certainly something to be proud of. And no, this doesn't make you more pretentious, probably more noble.

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:29:36 2014 No.5857847

>>5857840
Here is another thing to think about. Why are people like this post so enraged at this idea? Do you think they are projecting? Do you think their minds are unable to fathom the concept of a world where your worth to society is based on intelligence, unlike it is today?

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:33:44 2014 No.5857865

>>5857761

>We aren't quite yet at that stage

let's not fool ourselves here, there are no "stages" involved, neoliberal progress story be damned, and there is no reason to suppose that people will ever not be scared of each other. The way in which people interact is not ever going to yield a way of interacting like characters on Star Trek TNG. We are not moving towards utopia.

>Man, out of need and boredom, wants to exist socially, herd-fashion, he requires a peace pact and he endeavors to banish at least the very crudest bellum omnium contra omnes from his world.

And only the very crudest. People were scared of measuring themselves against each other when they were shitting in their drinking-water, and they're still scared of it now.

>People equate it in their heads to thinking that some individuals are inherently 'better' than others.

The reason why people have this evaluation is because intelligence is valued by westerners, it is viewed as an attribute of people that is a "better" thing to have than not to have, it implies power and, depending on how you define intelligence, is really the substance of it. To actually overtly claim intelligence however: that's a taboo for the lower castes of the capitalist society, it goes against the great liberal-democratic dogma, "all men are created equal", and the liberal-democratic dogma is the product of the capitalist society. It's a sin against the almighty dollar. Of course it's frowned upon, because there's no purpose it can serve. It loses its value, and those who cling to that value are left in the lurch. The fantasy that "i'm so intelligent, i'm better than these filthy belps" (which really pervades this board not just this thread, though >>5857843 >>5857840 are fucking gilt edged examples of it) is just that, pure fantasy fabricated by ideological rentiers to distract nobodies from their nobodyhood.

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:34:47 2014 No.5857869
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>>5857847
You completely missed my point, and you are making assumptions that are literally coming out of your ass.
What i'm "projecting" my kind new-fag is that the world is stupid as it is. Not trying to say that i don't want it to change for the better.
You are just here stroking your massive megalomaniac ego on how intelligent you are and how big and mighty your wizard cock is.

OH MIGHTY LORD OF THE DEPTHS.
WIZARD OF /LIT/
TEACH ME HOW TO PENETRATE THE DARKEST CORNERS OF THY MIND AND THE UNCONSCIOUS
I SUMMON THEE
MAKE HASTE
COME BEFORE ME
SHOW ME THE SECRETS TO THY GLORIOUS WISDOM
SHOW ME HOW BRIGHT YOUR THIRD EYE IS
Fucking faggot.

Tallis !!y+12CeFwYOo Sat Dec 13 21:35:33 2014 No.5857873

>>5857847
Only fucking losers and basement-dwellers think like that. No one cares about your so-called intelligence if you can't be interesting in a social context. Stick to the chans, fag, and try not getting euphorie'd by your own intelligence in public.

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:36:50 2014 No.5857876

>>5857873
Thank god i'm not the only one who feels the same about that dude.
He literally sounds like on of the reddit kids that wear fedoras and stroke on how big their intelligence ego is....
I keep things in a lot, but when i hear shit like that i can't help but want to explode at these morons.
Thanks based anon. You saved the day.

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:37:29 2014 No.5857878

>>5857865
Intelligence, if people of free standing and free expression agree that someone have, is a valuable trait in a member of society and progresses the beings forward.

What we are seeing today is that, you're incorrect by the way, no. Intelligence is definitely not valued in the upper echelons of society. And intelligence, really, is something I consider very close with creativity and memorization of concepts, terms, and ideas. The more abstract the better.

Not for Them though, they don't want that, trust me.

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:39:30 2014 No.5857887

>>5857869
Here is the issue: I haven't done a single thing to say I'm intelligent.

I've simply been arguing intelligence should be more sought after, not chased away. A sociological point.

You and that, well really he is a horrible poster, retarded tripfag have been getting angry for no reason.

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:40:06 2014 No.5857889

>>5853361
It's not. Not really. I mean, there are tons of people who are actually anti-intellectual, but very few actually admit it to themselves and see themselves as anti-intellectual.

Intellectualism is disgustingly popular in that everyone wants to be one and no one wants to actually put in the time and effort to be one, so dilletanteism is at an all time high. I think the only people who think in terms of OP are the ones who are the fake intellectuals who want to be special snowflakes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:40:34 2014 No.5857892 >>5857887 You literally think people can't see through you right? Please tell me you're joking. You reek of pretentiousness.

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:42:10 2014 No.5857899

>>5857889
Well again you're assuming.

But here's another interesting point: I never said people acknowledge they are being anti-intellectual. They just are. I think if they knew what they were doing to society as a whole with thousands of others trapped in their 'moral' bubbles, they would try to ameliorate the situation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:43:28 2014 No.5857906 >>5857892 I'm probably not that intelligent man. You don't have to be so mad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:45:02 2014 No.5857912 >>5857906 Oh now you back off.... You're hilarious man. You should look into comedy. Suits you, you're a fucking clown.

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:45:26 2014 No.5857914

>>5857878

My question to you is: if you're so smart, how come you ain't rich? because of "Them" lol. you sound about 12. not coincidentally so does this fag >>5857876. But back to you:

>And intelligence, really, is something I consider very close with creativity and memorization of concepts, terms, and ideas.

You consider wrong, dumbfuck, the rest of your society has totally different value for intelligence from you. The best part is that you, as a lone autist in a lonely world cannot do anything to change it, either. The fantasy is that you have a wish to be valued by society for your intelligence, and you aren't, so you conclude that society is wrong due to shadowy cabal of stupid people. But if they're so stupid, why are they keeping you down?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:46:00 2014 No.5857917 >>5857912 When did I state I was intelligent in this entire thread?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:47:12 2014 No.5857922 File: 15 KB, 302x123, 1418464911925.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5857914 Implying you don't sound 12 on an imageboard<

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:48:23 2014 No.5857929

>>5857914
Here is another intriguing point: why do you think so many people who are mad stop at nothing to make others mad? Do you, perhaps, feed off of negative energy? I have been unable to see your point because it is so immensely shrouded in hate. Truly the ones who talk like this have little social communication or real life experience.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:48:59 2014 No.5857932 >Insofar as the individual wants to maintain himself against other individuals, he will under natural circumstances employ the intellect mainly for dissimulation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:50:13 2014 No.5857941 >>5857932 "BUT MY BRAINZ ANONS"

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:51:13 2014 No.5857947

>>5857899
This is my first post in this thread dumbass. The OP:
>Why is it so popular to be anti-intellectual?
Definition of Popular
>regarded with favor, approval, or affection by people in general.
To be popular, it has to be socially acceptable and appreciated. No one is really going out and openly rallying around the cause of "anti-intellectualism". People wouldn't vote for a president who claimed to be "anti-intellectual"

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 21:53:50 2014 No.5857954

>>5857947
Wow, you could really not know you're approving of something though.

This thread has been really elucidating for me because it showed me how fervently people on 4chan hate intellectualism. Thus my point is proven.

And you probably agree you hate intellectualism too, just not that it is sociologically necessary for progress...

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 22:00:36 2014 No.5857979 And there're people who thinks they're intelligent but they're cowards and act like they're humbles. That really sucks. Fucking faggots. That's why I say people I'm smarter than them, and guess, I've a lot of friends.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 22:07:13 2014 No.5858010 >>5857979 lel schopenhauers English was shit

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 22:21:41 2014 No.5858064

>>5857980
>inb4
in after laughing at how the post meta proto alpha gamma neo irony board can't detect irony or can but has nothing to say except a greenblog to try and make an argument

And speaking of irony, the irony of someone saying /pol/ can't vent out steam on its own board, in a thread about someone whining about /pol/ filled with people who agree, is not lost on me.

Hey by all means, go vent on /pol/. The entire site has been doing so the past few days, also believing that shitposting on their strawman is a magic solution to their problems.

>>5857954
>confirmation bias

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 22:35:38 2014 No.5858108

>>5853361

because *tips fedora* "lol why are you such an autist who actually literally even cares about anything anymore xD"

shitposting aside, people in general have always been afraid of things they don't understand. In 1000 ad it was wizards and reading (which was heavily regulated by the church) today it is rapidly becoming technical skills (which while less regulated, is perceived at being impenetrable for most people)

anyway, combine this with the general failure of the aristocratic class in the west (euro richfags sold out to marxism in the east and neoliberalism in the west) and you have a deep mistrust of authority. And for the most part it's acceptable, look at how shitter things have gotten in the past 40 years or so. The problem is that most people are content to get on the dole and return to their hidey holes instead of learning and being active. Chalk this up to extremely loose welfare policies in europe and shit-tier city planning in the US (because if it takes you 30 minutes just to drive to the nearest store, you're just going to sit inside all day and watch TV)

as you can guess I'm of the opinion that modern authority should be distrusted. To be clear I'm not denying anti-intellectualism exists, except that it grows out of apathy disappointment in modern cultural institutions (ala Congress, the EU etc) and is often propagated by them because they abuse their "we know better than you" mentality so often (see: cheney's remarks on the senate torture report, snowden's exile, etc). It's something that will only stop when people themselves feel that richfags in the country at least respect them

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 14 07:12:10 2014 No.5859289 >>5856710 good, because it's a png

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 14 07:24:14 2014 No.5859308 File: 64 KB, 395x578, 1403450153001.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5856710

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 14 07:32:44 2014 No.5859313 >>5853361 Because intellectuals are typically disagreeable and impotent.

Anonymous Sun Dec 14 07:38:21 2014 No.5859324

>>5853361
the funny thing about this image is that most people who spend a great deal of time delving into books end up as dreamers and fantasists every bit as deluded as those that gawp at the television screen.

intellectualism is a spook.

show me the well-read man that is wise and not just filled with a great variety of fantasies.
that is not a rhetorical statement. Please show me an example of such a man. Show me a wise man.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 14 07:48:28 2014 No.5859346 >>5859324 Stephen Hawking. Richard Dawkins. Daniel Dennett. Neil deGrasse Tyson. The list goes on...

TheOnlyAustralianInBrit/pol/ !SDj8IFD6gY Sun Dec 14 07:52:28 2014 No.5859352

>>5859324

I think Raymond Tallis would be a good example. Although I agree with that characterization of intellectuals for the most part, and think that the age of intellectuals is coming to an end.

Erudition can provide a means for challenging one's own views, but it doesn't automatically make one wise.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 14 08:07:13 2014 No.5859378 >>5853361 A lot of times, especially on the internet, intellectuals is what socially unajusted people to be not to feel like loosers. Case and and point, /lit/.

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