Animal Rights and morality

[Anonymous No.5839428]

I was considering becoming a vegetarian and it got me thinking. Why do animals even deserve rights? Where can I read about why animals should have rights?

[Anonymous No.5839438]

>>5839428
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Liberation_%28book%29

[Anonymous No.5839440]

>>5839428
You would have to conclude that they either have inalienable rights, or that people give them rights.

[Anonymous No.5839442]

>>5839428
because they're le living things too!!!!

I type this as I eat chicken wings

[Anonymous No.5839443]

why should foetuses have rights? eating a cheeseburger is like aborting a baby you fucking baby killer

[Anonymous No.5839449]

i just ate some fucking delicious veggie burgers i got at some indian market taste like a mix of somasa and hashbrowns so fucking delicious, i'm not even vegerarian, i rather be eating chicken mehkani but these fucking things are way better than a fucking regular cheeseburger

[Anonymous No.5839452]

Animals don't have rights. This is a necessary state of things: the things we do to animals go far beyond eating, like animal testing. You could argue that research isn't necessary, in which case I'd tell you to fuck off.

[Anonymous No.5839465]

>>5839438
Peter Singer a shit

But yeah OP if you would like to read the most compelling argument for animal rights this is the book to go too

[Anonymous No.5839479]

>>5839452
If animals don't have rights then what makes you think humans do? Why would you tell me to fuck off because I don't condone testing on animals for products like shampoo and deodorant? Why should humans test on animals for drugs that are ineffective and still bare health consequences for users?

[Anonymous No.5839483]

>>5839479
what makes you think i think humans have rights?

[Anonymous No.5839498]

>>5839483
>>5839479
>>5839491

[Anonymous No.5839506]

>>5839483
And you don't think that we have rights? You seem to think that we have the right to test on animals, and destroy the earth through the waste produced by factory farming. The meat industry isn't just bad for the animals that are killed, it's bad for us and our children. They have to inherit our trash and the meat industry is among the worst for producing pollution.

[Anonymous No.5839515]

>>5839506
I don't think he's saying we have the right to do these things but we it's not morally wrong not to

[Anonymous No.5839522]

>>5839428
pic related

[Anonymous No.5839628]

>>5839452
Moral Order xD

[Anonymous No.5839635]

They deserve some sort of respect because they are sentient. Acting as if we are above them is foolish.

[Anonymous No.5839667]

>>5839449
why do vegetarians name their shit after meat
veggie burger this tofu hot dog that
they obviously miss meat

[Anonymous No.5839715]

>>5839667
why do meat eaters name their shit after the citizens of german cities?

[Anonymous No.5839745]

>>5839479
human's dont really have rights either. It's an idea we created. They're not "real". That being said, there is a general consensus that we should treat each other all with some decency. Humans are social creatures that have traditionally survive in groups. Someone who expresses cruelty unnecessarily is someone who is generally unstable and detrimental to the herd, and as such are excluded and detested

[Anonymous No.5839769]

>>5839635
well that never stopped u from aborting the unborn now did it

[Anonymous No.5839772]

>>5839715
What a stupid unrelated comeback.

[Anonymous No.5839781]

>>5839506
We can do whatever we want. It's not a matter of rights, it's a matter of what's beneficial to our species.As of yet humanity is still greatly flawed with countless injustices and tragedies. We put our advancement before everything else, and if we finally reach stability we can then seek to benefit other species. We should not go out of our way to treat other species cruelty, but if testing on animals saves human lives, why on earth would you chose animals over your own species?

[Anonymous No.5839797]

>>5839772
it was a stupid response to a stupid question

[Anonymous No.5839798]

>>5839635
would a hungry lion hesitate to eat you? Even if you threw in a meat perfectly healthy meat substitute do you really think it would rise above for the sake of your life? If we are not above them as you claim then eating them should be no problem, right?

[Anonymous No.5839806]

>>5839798
he feels guilty for being too successful as a species, it's just privilege and/or success guilt taken to the fucking absurd

[Anonymous No.5839835]

>>5839798
cats are a bit of an exception, because they need nutrients in their diets that only exist in meat. most mammals can survive perfectly well on a vegetarian or vegan diet. if, for example, the hungry animal was a wolf, and its choices were to eat me, given that i would be snarling and growling and prepared to defend myself, or a similarly-sized and equally yummy substitute (and o i am o so yummy), a sensible wolf would take the tofu and run

[Anonymous No.5839850]

I'm a vegetarian, but I don't really give a fuck about animals.

Since I rely solely on supermarkets for my food needs I see no reason to eat meat, in that the production of meat products requires food, water, and land for the animals in question. Since relying on these supermarkets means I can easily sustain myself without the wasteful and disgusting (from the perspective of health and sanitation, not from an animal rights angle) processes of meat production, I do.

[Anonymous No.5839874]

I'm a vegetarian on ethical grounds, however the fact is animals don't have rights and aren't even protected by the NAP because they themselves can't follow it. I believe in non-violence to all creatures, but in terms of objective morality? Animals are below morality.

[Anonymous No.5839881]

>>5839850
do you angst this much about the environmental impact of all the products you buy or only food? seems kind of hypocritical to only get all uptight about meat production and not say your shoes, oil or microprocessors

[Anonymous No.5839896]

>>5839835
but you're adding in the element of you snarling and growling. This is more or less a question of whether or not animals care in the slightest about human lives? I believe this to be no, unless there is some relationship established prior, I would need to see some hard evidence to be convinced otherwise

[Anonymous No.5839904]

>>5839428
The question is where do rights come from.
For humans it is either because we will them or because they come from our very nature.
There is no such nature for animals so form a natural law standpoint no, animals should not have rights.

[Anonymous No.5839907]

I think rights is a bit of a strawman, as it's a legal thing isn't it?

Just forget all about that and ask yourself, do animals suffer? do I care about their suffering? would a vegetarian diet alleviate their suffering?

[Anonymous No.5839909]

>>5839881
I try to be as low-impact as possible in most everything, yes.
>>5839874
This guy

[Anonymous No.5839919]

>>5839907
giving some homeless bum my lunch money instead of eating a salad would alleviate suffering but i'm not gonna do it and neither are you

[Anonymous No.5839922]

>>5839907
It is a legal thing because of philosophy.
Suffering has nothign to do with it.

[Anonymous No.5839926]

>>5839919
You could, though.

[Anonymous No.5839927]

>>5839850
Sorry, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't growing crops also require land, food (mulch), and water? You might be expending too much energy worrying about the consequences of eating meat (sanitation-wise).

[Anonymous No.5839935]

>>5839926
you could but you don't just like i could eat a salad instead of a chicken sandwich but i'm not going to

[Anonymous No.5839944]

>>5839919
If you think about it every luxury you experience comes at the cost of another person's misery. Money you spend on your additional happiness could be spent on the basic essentials of survival for someone else.

[Anonymous No.5839945]

>>5839927
Of course it does, just on a way smaller scale.

The amount of water it takes to sustain industrial livestock production is staggering, let alone the water and land it takes to make their food, which we don't get to eat.
>>5839935
I think that's a shitty argument tbh m8

[Anonymous No.5839947]

the way i see it the exploited mexican guy who has to break his back picking tomatoes for 50 bucks a day suffers more than some chicken

[Anonymous No.5839952]

>>5839428
Why should people have rights?

[Anonymous No.5839959]

>>5839945
but i mean once you've taken on all the suffering in the world as your personal responsibility (and only a supremely bourgeois ego would even think to do this) you have to consider the suffering in every single thing you do

[Anonymous No.5839962]

>>5839947
What about the exploited Mexican working in a meat factory for 50 bucks a day?

[Anonymous No.5839966]

>>5839945
I'm genuinely curious, not trying to be an asshole, is it really that significant?

[Anonymous No.5839974]

>>5839962
>butchers

those guys get paid good money, when i eat a steak i'm also supporting the middle class, unlike vegetarian poverty pimps

[Anonymous No.5839975]

>>5839962
50 bucks a day is a lot of money actually.
My mother is a teacher and she works for less.

[Anonymous No.5839978]

>>5839952
Our nature that is relatred to the Divine.

[Anonymous No.5839980]

>>5839975
I'm assuming after taxes? How many hours a day?

[Anonymous No.5839985]

>>5839667
To be fair, not eating meat does not mean a person doesn't enjoy meat. Most vegetarians are so because of moral reasons, not out of some dislike of meat.

[Anonymous No.5839987]

I would eat humans I had to to survive. That said I live mostly vegetarian, as it is a good dietary choice and cheaper.

[Anonymous No.5839990]

>>5839975
>he has to live on 50 bucks a day

oh its all clear now, you can't afford to eat meat and then try to play it off like you're making some sacrifice...yeah, bro, i'm like that to, see i sacrifice by not wearing any gucci, i mean i totally would but like, im just so sensitive to suffering and stuff that i just wear polo instead

[Anonymous No.5839993]

>>5839980
8 hours, after taxes.
Average pay is 750 bucks, she earns about a grand.

[Anonymous No.5839995]

>>5839985
bullshit, most vegans are just vegetarians who also happen to be lactose intolerant...saying "bro i don't eat milk products to reduce suffering" sounds better than "sorry dude, milk makes me fart" when some offers you some

[Anonymous No.5839998]

>>5839993
Sorry to hear, I do believe teachers are incredibly underpaid

[Anonymous No.5840000]

>>5839959
But I don't think taking on the suffering of the whole world is the point, more just making the best decisions through thought.
>you have to consider the suffering in every single thing you do

I don't think that's a bad thing, we have to realize the suffering we create and try to be as comfortable as we can with it.
>>5839966
Yes. Especially on a grand rather than individual scale. It takes over 2000 gallons per pound of beef.

[Anonymous No.5840002]

>>5839998
well why don't you give all your money to teachers to reduce "teh sufferangs" or do you only care about the sufferings of cows and pigs

[Anonymous No.5840007]

>>5840002
I'm not a vegetarian...

[Anonymous No.5840012]

>>5840000
>I don't think that's a bad thing, we have to realize the suffering we create and try to be as comfortable as we can with it.

yeah, well, i don't shop at walmart because they are little bitches who exploit their workers, but you won't hear me bragging about how i overpaid for a dvd player or something to fight exploitation, vegetarianism is clearly and ego performance otherwise you wouldn't constantly talk about it like this thread for example

[Anonymous No.5840013]

>>5839995
what do vegans have to do with vegetarians not necessarily disliking meat? vegans are faggots, fuck vegans, all i'm saying is most vegetarians enjoy meat perfectly well, they just don't eat it for moral reasons.

[Anonymous No.5840014]

>>5839990
What the fuck are you talking about?
I'm actually well off due the my father beigng a lot more sucsessful and I eat meat at least twice a day.

[Anonymous No.5840016]

>>5839975
Bullshit. No teacher works @ or near the min wage.

[Anonymous No.5840021]

>>5840016
not every teacher is in a union bro, she probably works at some McCharter School in a red state

[Anonymous No.5840022]

>>5840012
>look how cool and counter counter culture I am on teh internets

Not all vegetarians make a show of doing so. You know that. You are also a faggot.

[Anonymous No.5840024]

>>5840000
*2000 gallons of water

40% of fresh water in the US is used to irrigate crops for livestock feed, according the the US geological survey.
>>5840012
I never bring it up in public, I only brought it up in this thread because that's the topic. I'm not sure why you're being this accusatory.

[Anonymous No.5840025]

>>5840014
i'm just saying i would totally wear gucci and rolex but im just such a sensitive guy that i choose to wear cheap stuff instead just like vegetarians choose not to order lobster for dinner

[Anonymous No.5840026]

>>5839995
What about all the other bullshit though?
Butter has little to no lactose, and clarified butter has none at all. Yoghurt has naturally occuring lactase from the bacteria in it. None processed cheeses have almost no remaining lactase. Vegetarianism is fine, but almost all veganism is vulgar moral showboating.

[Anonymous No.5840028]

>>5840016
Exept there are countries outside of america.

[Anonymous No.5840034]

>>5840022
>you know that

no, i don't know that, this semester i have heard no less than three fuckwits loudly announce to the room that they are becoming vegetarians and then be loudly congratulated by other vegetarian fuckwits (one of these people is fucking obese like 300 pouinds, bitch needs the atkins diet not more fucking carbs but whatever)

[Anonymous No.5840035]

>>5840028
>50 bucks

It's not unreasonable to assume they are referring to dollars, you faggot.

[Anonymous No.5840039]

>>5840026
>veganism is moral showboating

what? but i thought you cared about suffering? i guess you just don't have the balls to go all the way

[Anonymous No.5840042]

>>5840034
>no, i don't know that,

My sympathies, being a faggot is one thing, but a retarded faggot...

[Anonymous No.5840043]

>>5840012
as a meat eater, you just did brag, and while I agree you should not impose your beliefs on someone else, claiming that the entirety of vegetarianism is an ego performance is just blatantly false and disrespectful to non-imposing vegetarians. This thread was started so someone could gather information to decide to be a vegetarian or not. The intentions are good for the non-imposing, but it doesn't make them superior or inferior. By generalizing you make yourself out to be just as bad as the "vegetarians that constantly talk about it"

[Anonymous No.5840051]

>>5839667
I find there is a high correlation between those who eat those kinds of foods regularly and those who seem to be following a particular diet more because its "trendy" or "hip" than anything else.

[Anonymous No.5840054]

>>5840043
oh come on everyone can tell vegetarianism is holier than though bullshit, all ascetic performance is dude

[Anonymous No.5840063]

>>5839428
Because their suffering is not essential to our existence. Voluntarily forcing other creatures to undergo mass suffering is undesirable for anyone with any sense of morality.

[Anonymous No.5840069]

>>5840063
why? what's wrong with mass suffering?

[Anonymous No.5840072]

>>5840069
It is immoral if unnecessary. I said that, you faggot.

[Anonymous No.5840074]

>>5840072
why is it immoral? i don't get it

[Anonymous No.5840075]

>>5839428
Donna Haraway's Companion Species Manifesto is good for a laugh. But it's mostly about pets

[Anonymous No.5840076]

The last thread on this topic had some valid points from both sides, nearly all of these things we're talking about were discussed in a somewhat serious manner. This thread on the other hand...

[Tallis !!y+12CeFwYOo No.5840078]

>>5839428
Fuck you nigga, they are animals.

[Anonymous No.5840084]

>>5839479
We arbitrarily decided that humans have rights and animals don't, because we're humans. The less akin to humans it is, the less rights it has. Welcome to science ethics.

[Anonymous No.5840085]

>>5840074
>lol morality and grammar aren't real

Double faggot.

[Anonymous No.5840087]

>>5840085
grammar isn't real, it's just a tool of the modern nation state system: i.e. a country is just a grammar with a flag

[Anonymous No.5840092]

>>5840039
I'm not the same person you were talking to fagballs

[Anonymous No.5840097]

>>5840084
vegetarians arbitrarily decided that plants don't have rights because they still need SOMETHING to eat

[Anonymous No.5840111]

>>5840097
It's because plants aren't sentient you imbecile. Plants aren't capable of suffering. This does not mean that deforestation and current agricultural practices are okay however.

[Anonymous No.5840114]

>>5839428
terrible troll thread

[Anonymous No.5840116]

>>5839919
I never said you should
>>5839922
>It is a legal thing because of philosophy
nice argument

[Anonymous No.5840125]

>>5840111
>implying you can know anything about the qualia of a plant.

[Anonymous No.5840133]

>>5839428

[Anonymous No.5840142]

>>5840133
so you're saying vegetarians are just manchildren? i agree

[Anonymous No.5840146]

>>5839896
Animals do not have a capacity for morality, because their minds are not as evolved as ours. They are guided by fucking instincts and can't rationally reflect on their choices.

What a retarded argument

[Anonymous No.5840148]

>>5840111
>Plants aren't capable of suffering.

According to my extensive research (Roald Dahl's "The B.F.G."), flowers scream in agony when they're picked. You think I is swizzfiggling you?

[Anonymous No.5840152]

>>5840125
can you know anything about the qualia of say a cow? or another human?

[Anonymous No.5840154]

[Anonymous No.5840157]

>>5840148
From the last veg thread

[Anonymous No.5840163]

[Anonymous No.5840171]

[Anonymous No.5840172]

>>5840154
>>5840133
beautiful

[Anonymous No.5840173]

>>5840163
>not biting your grandmother
fucking plebs

[Anonymous No.5840184]

>>5840171
beautiful!

[Anonymous No.5840185]

I'm no vegetarian, I adore eating meat, I have no intention to stop. What I care about is how the animals are treated and slaughtered, I don't want them to suffer. Ever been burned? Imagine the pain that bull felt getting that hot iron on its ass, or that whale harpooned dozens of times. It's terrible, I don't want anyone or anything going through that shit. Animals feel just as much cold, pain, and fear as we do.

[Anonymous No.5840190]

epic win

[Anonymous No.5840192]

>>5840133
a baby loves it's mother, but still drinks her milk

[Anonymous No.5840194]

>>5840154
>>5840163
>>5840133
Could you, oh I don't know, productively contribute to the thread instead of posting these pictures sarcastically?

[Anonymous No.5840197]

>mfw people use an inherited Christian moral language while denying Christianity
>mfw people advocate that anything "has rights" without explaining what it means to "have rights", where these "rights" come from, or asserting any argument for why one is entitled to them

Seriously why. The constitution says that we're granted particular rights "by God", and we've inherited this language of inalienable "rights" from the religiously- and spiritually-minded writers of this constitution. If we get rid of this mindset, we can't continue to use this kind of language because there is no longer a foundation for it. It just turns into murky bullshit and ambiguous emotional appeals, or worse, pointless legalism (we have rights because, well, the government just says we do!).

[Anonymous No.5840199]

>>5840185
was that supposed to make me feel bad or something? just kinda reminded me of popcorn

[Anonymous No.5840204]

>>5840194
what is productiveness? why is it better than sarcasm?

[Anonymous No.5840208]

>>5840190

[Anonymous No.5840211]

>>5840197
This is fallacious. If we used to think rights were derived from god but no longer believe in god does not necessitate that we discard these beliefs that have long since been conditioned into human behavior. What is more, it is more probable that morality and rights created god rather than the reverse, given their prevalence across all faiths.

[Anonymous No.5840219]

>>5840208
:)

we need to get the word out, people are killing themselves and poor animals to do it!

[Anonymous No.5840223]

>>5840197
Most sane people go by the Declaration of human rights as written down during the French Revolution

[Anonymous No.5840225]

>>5840208
more like:
>hey anon would you like some steak?
no thank you
>why anon it's all juicy don't you love the smell?
thanks for making it but I choose not to eat meat sorry, maybe save it for later?
>FUCKING VEGATARIANS LOL ALWAYS GOTTA TELL YOU LOL STOP FORCING YOUR BELIEFS ON ME HOLY FUCK

[Anonymous No.5840229]

There are good reasons to be vegetarian if you believe in human rights as well.

[Anonymous No.5840233]

>>5840208
This is 100% and also engineers do the exact same fucking thing

[Anonymous No.5840235]

>>5840219
No one cares. Stay mad.

[Anonymous No.5840240]

I do not understand why someone's more ethical dietary choice bothers you guys so much. Vegs are against animal cruelty, environmemtally harmful agricultural practices, and are about minimizing suffering as much as possible. Why does this bother you so much?

[Anonymous No.5840248]

>>5840211
>in god does not necessitate that we discard these beliefs
It necessarily does, because the only reason given for these rights (and their inalienability) is that they were granted by an all-powerful eternal creator. Where do rights come from? Why is one entitled to them? What does it mean to "have rights" in this sense?

None of what you posted explains any of it, all it does is try to ignore it
>it's been conditioned into human behavior, so there's no point in questioning it, stop!
>Well the fact that we believe God granted people rights is enough, even though God's not real
No, and no. That does not explain the rights issue at all. Just saying "well lots of people believe it" neither makes it true, worth continuing, nor immune to questioning.

[Anonymous No.5840252]

>>5840240
There are very few who seem to be offended by the idea of vegetarianism.

Calm down.

[Anonymous No.5840256]

>>5840240
why do anti-abortion protestors bother you so much? why would someone's ethical choice to save unborn souls from murder upset you so much?

[Anonymous No.5840261]

>>5840256
>has tried 7 times in this thread to steer this topic onto abortion
>no one has responded yet

lel, just stop.

[Anonymous No.5840264]

>>5840240
>Vegs are against harmful agricultural practices

lol

[Anonymous No.5840266]

>>5840261
>"no one has responded yet"
>responds

[Anonymous No.5840267]

>>5840261
why are you dodging the issue? you can't be a vegetarian and oppose the rights of the unborn, unless of course you are just a self-absorbed asshole putting on a show at lunch

[Anonymous No.5840272]

>>5840267
>again

tåp kæk

[Anonymous No.5840275]

>>5840264
don't you think tobacco farming is just as wasteful as growing feed for beef? yet the majority of vegetarians are also smokers. boy, edgy teens sure are fucking tedious.

[Anonymous No.5840277]

>>5840256
The abortion of an unborn child and the mass suffering and slaughter of sentient animals aren't analogous

[Anonymous No.5840281]

>>5840235
vegetarians are actually statistically proven to be more emotionally healthy as well as physically on average

[Anonymous No.5840287]

all these generalizations lel

[Anonymous No.5840289]

>>5840281
>more emotionally healthy
>childish attachment to farm animals

yeah ok bro

[Anonymous No.5840290]

>>5840267

FUCK THE UNBORN. THEY HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN BORN YET.

[Anonymous No.5840292]

>>5840277
>slaughter
>"The data on abortions displayed on the Worldometers' counter is based on the latest statistics on worldwide abortions published by the World Health Organization (WHO). According to WHO, every year in the world there are an estimated 40-50 million abortions. This corresponds to approximately 125,000 abortions per day."

[Anonymous No.5840296]

>>5840292
125,000 human lives snuffed out every day and all this fucking faggot can thing about is if a chicken somewhere is being inconvenienced

[Anonymous No.5840299]

>>5840281
eat my salami

[Anonymous No.5840301]

>>5840289
stay mad BRO

[Anonymous No.5840302]

>>5840281
No one cares. OP is also obviously a thinly vieled excuse for a propoganda dump. Please remember to report off topic posts

>Heh... Anyone wanna recommend some video game books? Lets talk about vidya though.

Does not make a thread on topic

[Anonymous No.5840309]

>>5839428
similar threads have been posted for quite some days now
how is this lit, at all? go ask >>>/sci/ (protip: they'll probably laugh at you)

[Anonymous No.5840313]

>>5840301
>Trying to use "lel u mad"
>Spamming propaganda no one wants to hear so you can prosyletize your faggy lifestyle of emotions

How do you even get this retarded? Is it your backwards, unnatural diet?

[Anonymous No.5840314]

>>5840292
separate issue.

Start an abortion thread then. This is about vegetarianism.

[Anonymous No.5840318]

>>5840292
What I meant to say was that the suffering that occurs during the abortion of an unborn child who is not fully developed is not analogous to the suffering that befalls an already born and sentient animal used in the meat and dairy industry.

[Anonymous No.5840323]

>>5840313
EMOTIONS ARE FOR WEAK PEOPLE! REAL MEN HAVE NO EMOTIONS!!

[Anonymous No.5840331]

>>5840318
The suffering of any human being will never be (and can never be) analogous to the suffering of farm animals.

I do believe that the unnecessary cruelty and harm to animals is bad though.

[Anonymous No.5840340]

>>5840281
I'm sure there's a correlation between people who have the time, money and ability to become vegetarians and emotional and physical health. That's not causation.

[Anonymous No.5840342]

>>5840323
It's absolutely unreal how oblivious you are. How are you this dumb? You came here to spam bullshit no one wants to hear, you attempt to call people mad and when someone tells you to shut up shitpost in all caps. I'm afraid if I stop eating meat I'll end up ass buttfucking retarded as you.

[Anonymous No.5840343]

>>5840331
Why do you insist on calling them farm animals?

[Anonymous No.5840345]

>>5840313
>implying eating meat en mass is natural
>implying adhering to nature even matters to anyone
>being so ass ravaged I mirrored your shitty umad you need to backtrack

Ah, untermensch.

[Anonymous No.5840355]

>>5840342
>muh feels

calm down, mate. You seem quite agitated.

[Anonymous No.5840359]

>>5840331
meat factories =/= farms

[Anonymous No.5840360]

>>5840343
Because they are animals on a farm. I also just referred to them as "animals" in that same post, I'm not sure why you'd think I'm insisting on one term or another.

[Anonymous No.5840363]

>>5840133
>>5840154
>>5840163
>>5840190

most obvious false flag award goes to

[Anonymous No.5840365]

>>5840340
So what you're saying is vegetarians are smart, independent and wealthy while meat eaters are dependent idiots? How is that not an argument to aspire to be among the former?

[Anonymous No.5840371]

>>5840225
this really does happen more often

[Anonymous No.5840373]

>>5840363
I applaud your perspicacity anon, fuck you are astute.

[Deep&Edgy !!BfzNblz4cXS No.5840378]

when did it stop being okay to get mad on the internet? Like 2008? I think before then when people posted stupid shit on 4chan we just spammed them with shitposts and called them retards a lot, maybe sometimes spammed gore and stuff.

[Anonymous No.5840384]

>>5840378
>>>/b/
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.5840390]

>>5840248
Just because the root of something is illogical doesn't mean that thing is somehow unworthy. Ethics have become their own thing independent of religiosity due to years of religious influence. It's not that hard to understand.

[Anonymous No.5840397]

>>5840235
LOL YOU ARE SO MAD HQAHAHAH

[Anonymous No.5840400]

>>5840378
he gets it

The problem with 4chan is that fewer and fewer people are 'in' on the joke of 4chan

[Anonymous No.5840403]

>>5840390
>It's not that hard to understand.
I'm not sure what made you think I misunderstood when I mentioned it in my first post here. I am well aware that people are using a Christian moral language without its foundation. However, saying "well this is what the majority of people already believe" does not defend it from questioning or means that it's correct or should continue to be used, it's just a lazy excuse.

Please answer the questions whenever you're ready.

[Anonymous No.5840410]

>>5840365
Jesus fuck. All it means is that people who are already in a healthy, stable environment are much more likely to become vegetarians. Probably because they have less pressing issues and the time and means to pursue lifestyle changes.

It may be more healthy, but that statistic is not proof of that.

[Anonymous No.5840424]

>>5840378
When normalfags discovered the internet.

[B) No.5840428]

>>5840397
That's nice you malnourished, whiney little bitch but no one cares and you obviously are.

[Anonymous No.5840438]

Why do vegans always use ad hominem?

[Anonymous No.5840455]

>>5840378
HOLY SHIT STOP IMPERSONATING D&E YOU AREN'T D&E FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

[Anonymous No.5840456]

vegetarians can't into lifting and muscle gains

[Anonymous No.5840629]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metempsychosis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reincarnation

Do not forget, you're also an animal.

[Anonymous No.5840633]

>>5840629

[Anonymous No.5840641]

>>5840438
>fail troll is fail

[Anonymous No.5841723]

Animals eat each other alive, so I don't think I'm in the wrong for eating pieces of a dead one.

[Anonymous No.5842448]

>>5839798
Your forgetting that lions are complete plebs

[Anonymous No.5842556]

>>5839715
not true hamburger or frankfurter iare merly words to show where something is from. so there are frankfurter sausages and hamburger meat pattys.
in short frankfurters and hamburgers.

[Anonymous No.5842587]

>>5841723

[Anonymous No.5842824]

>>5840410
this,
in america atleast, its wicked expensive to eat even just "normal" food, not to mention vegetarian and especially vegan. That's one of the reasons obesity is such a problem; poor people can only afford cheap, mass-produced factory food loaded with all sorts of preservatives etc.

[Anonymous No.5842846]

what about the day when we can produce food/meat without any animals.
ie. cloning or whatever the term is

Would you still be morally opposed to eating meat/animal products if no animal died or suffered as a result?

[Anonymous No.5842898]

Its up to you how you treat animals. Its not going to matter in anyway in the end.

[Anonymous No.5845262]

interesting ntopic el bumpo

[Anonymous No.5847403]

Why is this on lit?

[Anonymous No.5847541]

>>5847403
Why is any philosophical shit on /lit/? Because mods don't give a fuck and because moot is an uneducated sellout who can't be arsed to make a philosophy board. Platon's writings may be found in books, but they sure as hell aren't literature.

[Anonymous No.5848214]

>>5839438
>>5839438
>>5839438
This. Also Practical ethics.

>>5842846
I don't think any reasonable person would find much ethical issue with this. The point isn't to never to never consumed animal products, the point is to minimize suffering.