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Help /lit/!

I have this tendency that I just observed, and I feel that my life would be much more peaceful without it.

Generally, I feel that I crave the approval of other people, be it my ex-girlfriend, people I appreciate or society as a whole.

I often imagine myself saying something impressive to a crowd of people or otherwise displaying (what I perceive as) my intelligence.

It is gotten to a point where I actually substitute reading with it, because half-way through a new concept I will stop and indulge in this intricate fantasy of me elaborating on this idea (that I didn't even bother researching on fully yet) to a bunch of impressed persons.

At first I thought these fantasies were good in that they made me introspect but now I realize that I barely gain any actual knowledge through them.

For the most part they are a vain, narcissitic, instantaneous kind of pleasure, I feel I would be a happier person without them.

Anyone know about any method that can help me, become less of a narcissist I suppose, or simply stop craving approval?

I think something akin to mediating and calmly shutting out these fantasies seems to kind of be working.

There have to be other narcissistic e/lit/ists here?

>> No.5829252

>>/adv/

>> No.5829253

>>5829231
>Anyone know about any method that can help me, become less of a narcissist I suppose, or simply stop craving approval?

Subjective destitution

>> No.5829255

I. Could. Really. Use. Some. Help. On. This. Please.

>> No.5829265

You are a post-liberal subject, i.e. a pathological narcissist.

Congrats, you are like 99% of people.

>> No.5829292

>>5829265
>You are a post-liberal subject, i.e. a pathological narcissist.
Shut the fuck up.

>Congrats, you are like 99% of people.
I suppose, that could be true.
I'm a bit of a hermit, I might not know.

>> No.5829301

>>5829292
Now fuck off, you boring moron.

>> No.5829305

>>5829301
I-I am sorry I am not entertaining.

>> No.5829307

>>5829305
O-okay xD

>>>/b/

>> No.5829311

>>5829265
>You are a post-liberal subject, i.e. a pathological narcissist.
Whut now?

>> No.5829314

Actually research the shit you want to know about. The more you actually know about something the less you'll feel like you'll have to compensate for your lack of knowledge by indulging in fantasy

>> No.5829326

>>5829314
I read actual research papers in concepts such as game theory (one example), my knowledge isn't rooting from wikipedia articles if that is what you are speculating.

I am not sure how much more my research can get "actually".

My fantasies revolve around more of me educating people about something they likely do not know, so the perception of me is accurate in the fantasy, since I only say what I know.

The perception of the audience though, I suppose, is more of admiration that respect for my knowledge?

>> No.5829350

>>5829326
Then start writing I guess, turn your blind impulsive desire to teach people into something useful. Silencing that impulse isn't an option (it might not be possible), your fantasies are the distant cries of a need that isn't being fulfilled properly

>> No.5829369

>>5829350
When I was fat I use to have, what I would then consider, a need to have a cheese burger from burgerking every weekend.

I then realized that if I overcame this need, the very act of denying myself said instantaneous pleasure, in favor of a greater long term pleasure, in turn gave me more (slightly less) instantaneous pleasure.

I find that exercising obedience in itself imparts satisfaction, a less intense and concentrated but more spread out and greater in magnitude form of satisfaction.

To be more clear,
Normal instantaneous gratification would be the curve of x^3 integrated from 0 to 1
Obedience gives satisfaction equal to the curve (root of)x integrated from 0 to 20.

So to say (don't even know if those numbers work in the way I wish them to, tbh).

>> No.5829375

>>5829231
All sounds cool except that you can't back up your affected intellectualism.

>> No.5829387

>>5829375
> you can't back up your affected intellectualism.
Sorry, you lost me here?
What are you trying to say?
Unless this is just b8

>> No.5829405

>>5829369
Yeah but you didn't just stop eating altogether, you started eating other decent foods and began taking pride in controlling your diet instead of always seeking comfort in the lowest common denominator food, right? That's what I'm suggesting

>> No.5829417

>>5829405
I suppose I am considering any form of appeal to exterior opinions of me a "lowest common denominator".

I understand your point, I suppose I will try meditating and such for about a month, perhaps rid myself off this vain desire.

If not I will use it to the best of my ability.

It's like when someone gets /fit/ because their ex broke up with them.
They can use their anger to fuel them, but they might not be completely happy unless they eliminate it.
Else, they can be relatively more satisfied if they are /fit/ and edgy rather than ugly and edgy.

>> No.5829422

Thinking of yourself as some master of control is just another form of pointless self indulgence whether it's reality or not

>> No.5829439

>>5829422
Did not imply I am, just that I might be more satisfied in life if I try to exercise some form of control over my emotions.

>> No.5829453

>>5829422
Would be quite ironic thought, my realization of my narcissism is just my narcissism acting to entitle me above other naturally narcissistic individuals who do not come to terms with their narcissism.

>> No.5829467

Interesting, lol. Sounds like your brain is breaking and realising it can just feel the achievement of the goal right now rather than having to wait until it has been achieved.

>> No.5829469

>>5829387
Empty blustering from a tripfag. Your vanity insults his own, basically.

>> No.5829473

>>5829467
Good point, lol. Lol, you're the best!

LOL!

>> No.5829477

>>5829473
You all right there, buddy?

>> No.5829487

This is how we work, though. All is drive towards a certain feeling. You're literally dissociating OP.

>> No.5829493

>>5829487
Ah, Paradise, why do people hate you? You're such a chill guy.

>> No.5829499

>>5829493
Thanks man. Mostly it's because they're absolute children.

>> No.5829506

>>5829499
>The reason people hate me has nothing to do with me! It's everyone else's fault!

>> No.5829507

>>5829499
I'm sorry for my 'lol' btw. It actually was in poor taste.

>> No.5829512

>>5829493

1 good point to 9 shitposts does not a chill guy make.

>>5829499

No need to be mad tho! Cool your jets before you post!

>> No.5829513

>>5829506
Have you got an actual point?

>> No.5829519
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>>5829499
It's actually because every thread you trips post in suddenly become about you. It pulls the thread quality way down.

It's not actually even hard to understand. Nor is it surprising.

>> No.5829520

>>5829512
I was referring to his general stoner nature.
I can only even imagine him saying something with a joint in his hand.

>> No.5829523

>>5829519
I know. It's the other anons making it all about me though, not me. I'm just posting with a name :)

>> No.5829528

>>5829523
But you know it'll happen. It's actually why you post with a name.

>> No.5829532

>>5829528
Yes, it's a troll, I'm not denying that :)

>> No.5829533

>>5829523

>say a whole bunch of stupid shit
>its not my fault the discussion was ruined, its the people replying to me

how every thread you touch goes

>> No.5829541

>>5829533
Cry more, retard.

>> No.5829544

>>5829541

>projecting that I'm upset to justify you wasting your life on this internet persona

hmmmmmmnah

>> No.5829554

>>5829544
I'm a psychologist at heart, anon. Why are you posting here?

>> No.5829557

>>5829499
Friendly reminder

>> No.5829560

Everyone aside from sociopaths desire praise, it's a nice feeling.

I don't really care for compliments, actually they've a way of making me feel belittled but if you do a good job and you're commended for it then why the fuck not?

But if you've a constant desire for praise and affection then you probably have some issues.

>> No.5829563

>>5829541
>>5829554
>>5829532
>>5829523
>>5829513
>>5829507
>>5829499
>>/lit/thread/S5825055

Archive of Paradise's public humiliation from last night, at the hands of a few anons and me.

>> No.5829565

>>5829506
>>5829512
>>5829519
>>5829528
>>5829533
>>5829544
>>5829557
>>5829563

>replying to filtered trips

>> No.5829579

>>5829565
Then take the filter off, or do you actually buy in to all of 4chan's anonymity bullshit like an insecure fucking faggot.

>> No.5829581

>>5829579
trip on

>> No.5829582

>>5829563
Wait hold on, so essentially what people did is bait and troll the rage out from a rather eloquent and brilliant tripfag?

>> No.5829586

>>5829582
Probable samefag or downright ignorance --- as illustrated by my very post which irrevocably destroyed all of this guy's non-argument passing as the opposite, this newtrip which ought to drop his trip in the next few days had nothing to say and has never read anything, is probably an uneducated teenager from another board who comes here for no other reason than the easy beef. I would filter, but I love insulting weaker people too much.

>> No.5829592

>>5829586
You realize most people have filtered you, right Tallis?

>> No.5829595

>>5829563
>from last night

Nice way to spend your Saturday night?

>> No.5829601

Why aren't you two tripshits reading books right now?

>> No.5829603

>>5829595
I went out, last night. I guess it depends on your time zone.

>>5829582
Also, this very person could barely write two coherent sentences in a row, with his arguments mostly centered around his use of marijuana, dubstep and some deep misunderstanding of every subject he adressed. He would often use his own lack of culture as an argument against a subject.

>> No.5829604

>>5829231
You'll grow out of it child. Also this board is supposed to be about literature.

>> No.5829612

>>5829604
I thought the community would have faced similar issues, I am quite sure this form of narcissism is common.
There is a reason we are called, e/lit/ists.

>> No.5829615

I don't know what to think about being called eloquent and brilliant tbh, but Tallis' sperg as a result is fucking awesome

>> No.5829626

>>5829615
you're both complete shitposters, tallis at least has the benefit of being entertaining. how you can delude yourself into thinking you contribute to this board, I can't understand

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>> No.5829635

>>5829626
Nice post, dude.

>> No.5829637

>>5829615
at least tallis is funny and somewhat interesting

>> No.5829642

>>5829637
No he isn't, lol. Different strokes, though, I suppose.

And I owe you nothing, anon :)

>> No.5829646

>>5829642
You know, besides respect as a fellow human being and stuff like that.

>> No.5829647 [DELETED] 

http://www.poll-maker.com/results188184x74fb4122-7#s1_tab-1

reminder

>> No.5829648

Opee, I do this too. You have to catch it by monitoring yourself and then saying "NO! I'm not indulging this bullshit."

It will happen less and less the more you do this.

>> No.5829714

>>5829642
Please, God, just kill yourself. If I could get one wish, it would be for all the tripfaggots to off themselves.

>> No.5829718

>>5829714
Go fuck yourself, you child.

>> No.5829727

>>5829718
Why do you call everyone else a child, when you clearly are a teenager and demonstrate the level of education of a teenager? No one else uses such insults, if your repetitions of pointless words may be named as such, but the very children themselves.

>> No.5829735

>>5829727
In the hope that they might some day grow up, dude. I should cut back on calling people 'retard', really.

>> No.5829744

>>5829735
People are frustrating, though, you know?

>> No.5829747

>>5829735
But you are as educated as a 15 year old and have never opened a book, so, considering the fact that you are on a 18+ website, you indeed are retarded, in the original sense of the term.

From French "retard", as in "being late" --- having the cultural and cognitive capacities of one fifteen, at an age over eighteen, is retardation.

>> No.5829749

>>5829727
He just has a very limited vocabulary
what can ya do, really

>> No.5829754

That was another absolutely fascinating interaction btw, that anon telling me to kill myself on declaring that I owed nobody anything. Anyone remember I made that post about most people having considered suicide in early infancy and it resounding through their subsequent psychology? That was a manifestation of it right there. Many people do commit suicide to deny their own selfishness.

>> No.5829755

>>5829754
No one remembers. Kill yourself.

>> No.5829758

>>5829754
Did your trip get leaked or are you talking to yourself?

>> No.5829759

>>5829747
Knowing a bunch of words isn't exactly some great ability, m8. I spent my life with real people, getting to know them.

>> No.5829761

>>5829758
I'm talking to anyone who might listen, anon. I'm very much aware that some people do :)

>> No.5829762

>>5829759
Yeah, we all did. That's what life is. Shame that you didn't pick up the right words to express yourself in that time though.

>> No.5829764

>>5829759
What have you even read? What are you doing on a literature board and not on /soc/ if what you enjoy is meeting real people and getting to know them? Why don't you kill yourself, you jestless clown?

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>>5829754
>that logic

>> No.5829772

>>5829762
I express myself quite well, actually. I'm just not pretentious/elitist :)

>> No.5829778

>>5829766
That was an accurate mapping of psychological development, anon.

>> No.5829780

>>5829772
No, you don't express yourself quite well. Your English is chopped and often meaningless, your B rarely follows from A, your vocabulary is more than very limited, and you end up using smileys as more and more users start to insult you, to further dwell and muddle yourself in your mediocrity.

>> No.5829786

>tfw Tallis and Paradise is the same person

>> No.5829787

>>5829780
You really need to grow up, dude. Stop craving my attention, too, please.

>> No.5829788

>>5829778
It's pretty much unfalsifiable though, it certainly could be a manifestation of an early childhood occurrence. It could be him telling you to kill yourself because he finds you annoying. Its not like there aren't a million other occurrences of the idea of suicide that could have made it occur him.

>> No.5829792

>>5829786
>tfw This has all been a plot by Tallis to increase his tripfag popularity level

>> No.5829796

>>5829787
You have been told to stop using these terms; your repetition is as shameless as your unique -- oxymoronic for someone as dull and common as you -- lack of mastery of the English language.

>> No.5829797

>>5829792
>tfw We. Fell. For. It.

>> No.5829798

>>5829788
Yes, it could indeed be a whole bunch of things, but it's most sensibly what I'm saying it is. Fuck, it might just be me and God and God's trolling me into thinking there's such a thing as psychology.

>> No.5829800

>>5829796
>>5829780
>>5829764
>>5829755
>>5829747
rekt upon rekt upon rekt

>> No.5829801

>>5829800
Sure was :(

>> No.5829804

>>5829798
>, but it's most sensibly what I'm saying it is
How on earth do you reach that conclusion? If you can find me a psychologist who has mapped the human psyche sufficiently enough to be able to pick out the single deep underlying cause of an offhand comment, in a sample size of one, you might have a point, but you can't because such a psychologist does not and could not ever exist.

>> No.5829805

>>5829796
>>5829798
>tfw They still keep up the act
>tfw 80% of these posts are samefags

>> No.5829810

>>5829805
I would make my foe put up a better fight, though.

>> No.5829811

>>5829761
>Don't crowd me, fans!

Christ, you're insufferable
Stop acting like you're a more authentic person than the rest of /lit/, you're a slave to your own gimmick

>> No.5829813

>>5829805
>>5829797
>>5829792
>>5829786

>tfw I am a samefag

>> No.5829828

>>5829811
Are you really actually a religious person or what?

>> No.5829833

>>5829828
>Are you really actually a religious person or what?

>> No.5829836

Everybody has to make a choice about what they are with their lives. I'm happy with mine.

>> No.5829838

Tallis, you're such a loser dude. And you know it, too. So why not just grow up already?

>> No.5829843

>>5829828
"In a way, aren't we all religious people? Maybe our true being can only achieve harmony with the universe . This one time, I was listening to BrokeNCYDE (I'm a very enlightened person :) ) and it reminded me of Rembrandt. Aren't we all just on a big ride, really?" - Paradise, a.k.a. Generation X Deepak Chopra with a headwound, a.k.a. justpseudythings, a.k.a. Gustav von Aschbergers the aesthetician of fun, this is an authentic quote please do not steal

>>5829836
So was General Butt Naked

>> No.5829862

You guys remind me of an alternate chan I go to that's populated by quite a few people who are legitimately mentally ill. The reason I use 4chan as well as these other forums is that 4chan is usually pretty free of those with genuine mental problems (hare-brained ideologies and ideas don't count as clinical conditions), but it seems like lately there are more and more people on this forum who would profit enormously from a diagnosis and immediate treatment.

>> No.5829876

>>5829843
Nice sperg, dude. You're very obviously burying something.

>> No.5829877

>>5829862
I would bet that 75% of any board on 4chan suffer from one or more of clinical depression, anxiety disorders, narcissistic personality, and the like.

>> No.5829884

>>5829843
Pretty sure that Butt Naked didn't convert and start preaching anti-violence out of contentment.

>> No.5829885

>>5829877
>75%
nahhhh
even /r9k/ has a lot of sane clientele, it's just that crazy people are more obvious (mostly because they never shut up)

>>5829876
Please tell me what I'm burying, I'm sure your Psych 101 knowledge will tell me everything that my therapist couldn't

>> No.5829888

>>5829885
You can have anxiety or depression and not be noticeably crazy, especially online.

>> No.5829897

>>5829885
Feeling massively insecure about who you are, obviously. As if some God looms beyond the shade.

>> No.5829900

>>5829888
Speaking as someone w/ anxiety, it makes sense that there'd be a lot of depressive types going on 4chan, but I've never noticed that many clinically depressed types. A majority of sour people on 4chan just seem introverted as fuck.

>> No.5829905

>>5829877
>I would bet that 75% of any board on 4chan suffer from one or more of clinical depression, anxiety disorders, narcissistic personality, and the like.

I would wager they think they do because they enjoy blaming an external factor on their failings, but simple failure to take personal responsibility isn't a disease, it's a personal failing.

When you see the way posters behave on certain forums, the difference is marked and clear.

4chan is not an "underground" website and is populated by normal people, fir the most part.

>> No.5829908

>>5829897
I've been ride-or-die agnostic since I was a lil'un in Green Day shirts and cargo pants, but feel free to try again

>> No.5829909

>>5829905
*for

>> No.5829928

>>5829231
>It is gotten to a point where I actually substitute reading with it, because half-way through a new concept I will stop and indulge in this intricate fantasy of me elaborating on this idea

I do this and I actually think it's a good thing. It shows comprehension. To teach a concept, or communicate it effectively, you must already have a very firm grasp of it. These "fantasies" also facilitates memorization (in my case). Your brain is taking a break to organize what you've just learned so it can retain it better. And if you're elaborating on it, then you not only understand what you've just read, but also are integrating it with other ideas.

I actually think this is just how you learn OP. Maybe you are narcissistic, and your narcissism plays into your fantasies, but I don't think it's just narcissism that's at work. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what these fantasies are like for you though because I don't see myself as having a narcissism problem. What you're talking about and what I'm talking about might be very different.

>> No.5829930

>>5829908
No need, I'm pretty sure I'm right. I say the word 'religious' and you literally explode, burying it under a whole heap of 'random' shit. Maybe if you have a look back through it, you'll figure it out for yourself. Looks like you're complaining about absurdity or something, at a brief glance. Mein Kampf and Atlas Shrugged are two big balls of ridiculous, too, anon. Rather common psychological armouring, to shit out a book or bunch of words.

>> No.5829952

>>5829930
If I accused you of being 'pineapple' I'm sure you'd be a little confused, perhaps going so far as to disagree.

>WOW, you're EXPLODING about this!!!! You were born a pineapple! You are literally Ayn Rand!

>Looks like you're complaining about absurdity or something, at a brief glance.
Where?

>a whole heap of 'random' shit
Again, what?

You're so far out that you're not even wrong

>> No.5829967

>>5829952
I'm pretty sure I'm right, dude. Make what you want of it.

>> No.5829987

>>5829967
>doesn't answer, just repeats himself
Classic Paradise

how about taking a few months off from /lit/ to read a little bit more, to tone down on your projections, perhaps even to lightly puncture your delusions of grandeur until they deflate to a manageable size? I think that'd do you a world of good

>> No.5829997

>>5829987
I'm not really interested in sifting through your insanity is all, dude. It looks very like you were triggered, though, and I have provided examples of other such results of being triggered as such. Figure it out for yourself. Or not, whatever.

>> No.5830007

>>5829997
sure, *I'm* the insane one

I love life, but I would rather die than be you

>> No.5830013

>>5830007
You do seem a rather disturbed individual, anon, that's all I'm saying :P

And my life is pretty good and easy-going :)

>> No.5830041

>>5830013
I claimed that you were an insufferable gimmickmonger, you went on a wild tangent from this and assumed that, because I think you're dumb, I must be a disturbed lunatic.
From a more objective perspective, who's the crazy one here?

>> No.5830053

>>5830041
No, that's not why I'm saying you're disturbed, anon, I really don't care if you think I'm dumb or not (I'm wildly successful irl anon :P)

>> No.5830058

>>5830053
>wildly successful irl
The face of delusion, folks

>> No.5830069

>>5830058
OK, don't believe it :P

>> No.5830081

>>5829231
If you tried you would fail and at any moment a brick could fall on your head and kill you. Your words and tongue will turn to ashes in your mouth.
Life is senseless and meaningless, and the momentary approval if others is worth shit. Only if we embrace the Eternal can we find some meaning in anything.
I almost died today and I was OK with it in the moment it was only terrifying when I was in the hospital later.

>> No.5830085

>>5830069
I'd be surprised if it was true, is all. Most schizophrenics have a rough time functioning in the real world.

>> No.5830093

>>5830085
Well, that post is obviously layered in resentment, so... :P

>> No.5830151

>>5830093
Not really. I love my life. I love the books I read, I love the girl I'm with, I love my friends. The only thing I really resent atm is that I share the world with people like you.

>> No.5830168

>>5830151
Wow, you're really building yourself up against me, aren't you? :P

>> No.5830177

>>5830168
Seriously though. Chill the fuck out already.

>> No.5830191

>>5830168
Not against you specifically, more against profound ignorance that makes its possessor feel superior to other people because of it. Hopefully you're just a character playing that part, but congrats, you play it close enough to life to be a pain in the arse. 10/10, heel of the year.

>> No.5830212

>>5830191
Well, good luck :P