>go to B&N >notice this cover for Alice in Wonderland The audacity of weeaboos, holy shit.

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Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:19:11 2014 No.5822527 [Reply] [Original]

>go to B&N
>notice this cover for Alice in Wonderland
The audacity of weeaboos, holy shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:21:01 2014 No.5822533 File: 703 KB, 865x1200, why.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >This 320-page collection contains all of Lewis Carroll’s original text along with two full-color spreads and one hundred black-and-white full-page and spot illustrations. OH BOY

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:21:22 2014 No.5822534 >>5822527 Get the fuck over yourself. This is marketed towards children and guess what? Children love anime. Get the fuck over yourself

Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:24:33 2014 No.5822548

I guess the question is are they replacing shipments of the regular editions with shipments of this? Or is it a completely separate product, and, as I would assume, sold in a separate part of the store?

If they're forcing this onto the classic, that's one thing, but if it's just a special interest option I see no problem here.

Hell,
>>5822533
looks better drawn that most of that "Folio" society garbage

Not to mention >>5822534

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:28:17 2014 No.5822561 'The Audacity of Weeaboos' would be a great name for a hypermodern novel.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:28:38 2014 No.5822563 File: 13 KB, 285x285, ulysses manga.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >go to university bookstore >see this They had a bunch of other ones, Moby Dick and Don Quixote. There's a bunch of them in Japanese, they even have a manga Mien Kampf.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:29:26 2014 No.5822564 Brb, buying this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:29:37 2014 No.5822565 >>5822563 >a manga Mien Kampf. I-I don't believe you

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:31:10 2014 No.5822568 >>5822565 You can read it here: >http://mangafox.me/manga/mein_kampf/ And yeah supposedly there was some controversy in Germany or something.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:31:27 2014 No.5822571 I don't know if that Alice looks fine as fuck, or if she looks too much like Teddie from P4 when he crossdressed, but I will buy this anyway

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:34:17 2014 No.5822578 doujin when

kitty !kitty/EnNg Fri Dec 5 21:35:46 2014 No.5822585
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it was posted already

i personally see no problems, anime style is quite cute, original illustrations are more authentic, but they are mostly interesting for historical purposes, alice was illustrated multiple times

btw japanese art affected english book illustrations in the 19th century already, pic related

>>	B) Fri Dec 5 21:35:50 2014 No.5822587 is there an Alice anime?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:37:00 2014 No.5822594 >>5822527 >>5822533 I'd be lying if I didn't say she looks cute as fuck, would buy. Svankmejer's Alice is a masterpiece, but his one flaw is he didn't pick a particularly cute loli actress.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:38:32 2014 No.5822602 I fucking love anime. And you, as well.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:40:32 2014 No.5822604 File: 35 KB, 500x606, tb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i prefer this cover myself

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:41:30 2014 No.5822611 >>5822534 I get what you are saying. But that fact that it was thought up by some marketing team in a board room still doesn't make it appropriate. Calm down.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:44:43 2014 No.5822619 >>5822602 I love fucking anime and you ass well

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:48:01 2014 No.5822631 >>5822611 Why on earth would you hold publishing companies to a higher standard than any other business?

Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:51:00 2014 No.5822647

>>5822527
My girlfriend has a weeboo friend that comes over sometimes. She seemed alright until she started watching gay anime porn while we were in the room. It was strange, but even stranger was the fact that she seemed completely oblivious to what she was doing. No shame, no self awareness.

Honestly the fans tend to be odd and even at times, insufferable. But I guess my point is that they seem like a passionate and reliable consumer base. They are worth pandering too even if they do have to bastardize book covers to get them to buy it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:51:49 2014 No.5822651 If it doesn't have anything lewd, it's not worth buying

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:52:12 2014 No.5822653 Alice is my waifu!

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:55:01 2014 No.5822665 >>5822594 >Švankmajer's Alice Holy shit that movie was terrifying. It will always hold a special place in my heart.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:55:45 2014 No.5822670 >>5822527 >not fapping to Alice in Wonderland eroge and trap doujinshi stay pleb >>5822563 I've seen this before but I still have no idea how you turn Ulysses into a shoujo manga. It's mostly dudes bantering and jerking off.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:56:28 2014 No.5822672 >>5822604 >Pan-exotica Hu?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 21:57:15 2014 No.5822676 File: 129 KB, 600x800, Alice.Margatroid.full.887047.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5822653 Fag

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 22:01:02 2014 No.5822690 >>5822619 Thanks for bringing a smile to my face. I've got a bad case of the "feels".

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 22:02:46 2014 No.5822695 File: 38 KB, 270x321, 1396534677213.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I named a cat Alice after Alice Margatroid herself!

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 22:07:01 2014 No.5822707 File: 43 KB, 318x424, Nabokov's.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >If Nabster had taste

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 22:31:33 2014 No.5822794 Quit being autistic.

>>	kitty !kitty/EnNg Fri Dec 5 22:36:53 2014 No.5822819 >>5822707 john shade and his wife (the foreground) being stalked by charles kinbote (the background)?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 22:39:14 2014 No.5822829 That type of clothing is specifically meant to seduce lolicons.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 22:41:25 2014 No.5822838 File: 143 KB, 692x1952, Alice.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5822571 You do know that Teddie was dressed as Alice, a demon from the SMT series based on Alice in Wonderland, right? Here's her original SMT artwork.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 22:42:58 2014 No.5822847 Why is alice always so lewd? She's always depicted a bit more risque then whats allowed at the time for a girl her age.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 22:44:28 2014 No.5822853 >>5822847 Because she's a psychonaut.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 22:54:05 2014 No.5822882 Honestly, if anime style suits any classic work of literature, it's probably Alice. Those books are hugely popular in Japan anyway

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 22:57:44 2014 No.5822893 >>5822604 Girls from the time would've worn longer underpants than that

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 23:01:11 2014 No.5822902 >>5822819 Perfect. I just wish I knew how to change the bottom text to say the appropriate author now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 23:10:07 2014 No.5822924 >>5822847 Lewis Carrol was a massive paedo. >>5822670 >Alice trap doujinshi I demand sources for totally non-sexual scientific research purposes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 23:11:09 2014 No.5822929 >>5822882 I wonder why.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 23:12:26 2014 No.5822930 >>5822924 I don't know if I can give you sources, but I can give you two exquisite images of sad pandas http://exhentai.org/g/573323/a0d12fc5c4/ http://exhentai.org/g/133752/1195992bdb/

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 23:14:07 2014 No.5822936 >>5822534 It's not his fault anime is awkward and embarrassing making him want to distance what he loves from it

kitty !kitty/EnNg Fri Dec 5 23:22:01 2014 No.5822953

>>5822936
anime drawing style isn't anime though
a drawing style isn't something inherently bad just because it's misused
it has deep cultural roots too, japanese fine art was about stylization for hundreds of years
also i already posted a crane's illustration for iliad for children inspired by the japanese art, it's the end of 19th - beginning of 20th century

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 23:28:22 2014 No.5822969 >>5822930 Why, just what I needed for my masturbatorium. Furious scientific research will be made.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 23:30:49 2014 No.5822978 >>5822924 >Lewis Carrol was a massive paedo. Isn't that true for every writer from that time period?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 23:43:04 2014 No.5823005 File: 245 KB, 595x842, 1417815019514.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Not already imagining every character in every book in an anime style What are you even doing here?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 23:45:21 2014 No.5823014 >>5823005 >I-it's not like I wanted to split the oceans for you p-people b-baka

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 5 23:47:16 2014 No.5823018 File: 375 KB, 700x1022, 32d31ffb34cc2cf57f38867a8c19ee93.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5823014 Exactly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 00:02:28 2014 No.5823046 >>5822930 >trap alice mein nigga.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 00:10:33 2014 No.5823068 http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=alice_in_wonderland

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 07:08:10 2014 No.5823843 >>5822527 Honestly that looks cute and the anime style fits the book quite well.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 07:17:49 2014 No.5823856 >tfw AIW fetish. >tfw gf dresses up as Alice and I fuck her brains out Feels so good man.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 07:43:32 2014 No.5823880 >>5822568 They even have Marx's Capital. How is it possible that grorious Nippon still surprises me after all these years?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 08:12:56 2014 No.5823936 >>5822563 Anyone know where I can find this? I've searched everywhere online and nobody seems to have scanned and translated it. I'd be really interested in seeing just how bad it is

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 08:24:53 2014 No.5823951 >>5822527 >>5822533 Looks kawaii as fuck, would buy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 08:25:58 2014 No.5823955 >>5822930 >trap alice doujins >this is a thing that exists This is the best day of my life

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 10:01:58 2014 No.5824132 >>5823880 You should check the manga guide to physics etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 10:59:05 2014 No.5824257 >>5822565 I have proof! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_pP_sc09FY#t=4m35s

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 15:08:49 2014 No.5825100 File: 230 KB, 640x452, 1415058701346.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Somebody actually posted pictures of the illustrations in the book a while back. I thought I had them saved, but I can't find them now. That shit was cute as hell.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 15:11:10 2014 No.5825114 File: 206 KB, 693x1000, SevenSeasAIW-01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is cute as fuck, would buy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 15:11:33 2014 No.5825116 >>5822924 Not really. Read "In the Shadow of the Dreamchild". The idea that Dodgson/Carroll was a pedophile is entirely a modern myth.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 15:12:11 2014 No.5825123 >implying i didn't buy this last time it was posted here

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 15:14:24 2014 No.5825133 File: 218 KB, 721x1000, SevenSeasAIW-04.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why aren't all books illustrated like this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 15:25:08 2014 No.5825182 >>5825133 I don't know, cute stuff is cute.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 15:29:17 2014 No.5825204 >>5825133 Because most books aren't japanese light novels.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 15:42:38 2014 No.5825266 File: 133 KB, 1440x1080, 1414282365811.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5825204 That doesn't mean they can't have cute illustrations.

Anonymous Sat Dec 6 15:51:05 2014 No.5825295
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>>5825133
Because the generic animu styles which you consider to be 'cute' are the results of decades of artistic incest. Illustrations in a book serve a very clear purpose: They are meant to enrich the experience of reading, and so they should be done in a style that reeignforces the mood the writing is trying to convey. Illustrations need to have personality.

Anonymous Sat Dec 6 15:55:42 2014 No.5825317
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>>5825295
So, you're telling me that in a book based around a school-girl, a children's book, originally based on a story told to a school-girl, "cute" illustrations do not enrich the experience of reading a children's book or reinforce the mood of a children's book about a child wandering through a fantasy land?

That's a weird position to take, but a'ight.

B) Sat Dec 6 16:00:26 2014 No.5825339

>>5825317
>"Why don't all books have illustrations this cute"
>Succinct answer to retarded shitpost
>"BUT THE BOOKS IS ABOUT CUTE GIRLS!"

Somehow, I always knew it was the anime retards who have to be a shithead, unpleasant fucking faggot about -everything-. It is not at all surprising people that immature and actually autistic watch anime all day long.

Anonymous Sat Dec 6 16:04:59 2014 No.5825352
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>>5825339
Except I'm explicitly talking about one book, Alice in Wonderland, sorry if that wasn't clear enough when I mentioned "a children's book about a child wandering through a fantasy land".

>anime retard
>shithead, unpleasant fucking faggot
Whoa, what are you so mad about? I'm just asking what makes you think that cutesy-styled illustrations detract from the experience of reading a children's book, or how they cannot reinforce the mood of a children's book about a school-girl wandering through an imaginary fantasy land.

If you don't have an answer, that's cool too, but there's nothing here to get so aggressive and mad about.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 16:07:42 2014 No.5825365 >>5822527 Considering that Lewis Carroll was a pedophile, I can't help but feel that he would approve.

Anonymous Sat Dec 6 16:07:42 2014 No.5825366
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>>5825317
Oh for fucks sake.

Yes, it is a childrens book, but what makes Alices journey special and interesting isn't fucking moeblobbery. The charm of taking the reader on a magical journey through Wonderland comes from its fantastic nature, its weirdness. What does >>5825133 add to this? how does it make our experience of reading the book any more impactful?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 16:09:04 2014 No.5825372 File: 12 KB, 162x196, 1278355282674.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oh, cool. I didn't know I was in /jp/, oh wait, this is /lit/. I guess I'll head over to /jp/, post some great western literature and totally not get banned into oblivion.

>>	B) Sat Dec 6 16:09:12 2014 No.5825374 >>5825352 Except you literally asked why all books can't have those illustrations and anyone can read the post confirming the one I'm quoting here as a superfluous lie. Is this "trolling"? Are you stoned?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 16:09:59 2014 No.5825379 >>5825372 >and totally not get banned into oblivion. >first day on 4chan

Anonymous Sat Dec 6 16:26:23 2014 No.5825446

>>5825374
No, I didn't. Is this your first time on an anonymous image board? Your having trouble following the thread of conversation or differentiating between users, I'm the one who asked how a children's book about a school girl in an imaginary fantasy land being illustrated in a childish or cutesy art style detracted from the mood of the children's book or detracts from the experience of reading it. I feel like I'm repeating myself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 16:28:10 2014 No.5825457 >>5825446 You're*, even. My mistake.

>>	B) Sat Dec 6 16:29:41 2014 No.5825464 >>5825446 So you're admitting that you're an idiot who made a pointless post that didn't at all apply to the one you were responding to? That's an interesting position to take.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 16:30:40 2014 No.5825466 File: 13 KB, 244x250, 1392152521027.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5825374 Jesus Christ, Anon. You need to step away from the computer and ask yourself if an illustrated edition of a kid's book is really worth getting this angry over

>>	B) Sat Dec 6 16:33:12 2014 No.5825477 >>5825466 >Tfw I could have been born as a "EVERYTHING' LE MAD LOOK I POSTED XDDDDD" mentality person Wow did I dodge a bullet. Maybe anti-natalists are on to something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 16:34:52 2014 No.5825486 File: 5 KB, 240x80, 4chan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5825477 What are you even trying to say?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 16:37:35 2014 No.5825494 doujins when?

B) Sat Dec 6 16:38:11 2014 No.5825496

>>5825486
What creates you guys? I've always been curious but you just stop posting when I ask. Are you just stupid? I mean, a lot of people are. It's just so wierd to dedicate you're life to going "haha, I said he's mad! No but I said you're mad! Lol but I said so!". I feel like mere stupidity isn't the culprit. Is it fear of verbosity? I notice that anyone who dares type more than a sentence is often forced into the box of "LEMADXD".

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 16:40:00 2014 No.5825501 >>5825372 Lewis Carrol is a novelist and mathematician, you ignorant twat.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 16:41:40 2014 No.5825508 >>5825496 Not who you were talking to, but I recommend you look into treatments for autism.

B) Sat Dec 6 16:52:52 2014 No.5825551

>>5825508
>Wanting to know about a phenomena is autistic

Well maybe you could help me even though you supposedly aren't him, as you are clearly the same sort. It's funny you would choose to use autism in the case of my posing a question in relation to this fascinating behavior, rather than the people who's entire lives revolve around being sort of annoying and watching cartoons.

Anonymous Sat Dec 6 16:54:52 2014 No.5825562

>>5825464
Nope, I'm saying you're attacking me for a position I never took in the first place. Can you please answer the question? How do cutesy-style illustration detract from a children's book?

And I honestly have no idea what you're still so upset about.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 16:56:48 2014 No.5825566 >>5822587 Pandora Hearts is heavily inspired by Alice. Yumekui Merry as well.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 16:57:09 2014 No.5825567 >>5825562 to be fair, the original post said "why aren't all books illustrated like this" you sorta jumped in on the argument and took it in a different direction

>>	B) Sat Dec 6 16:59:23 2014 No.5825577 File: 28 KB, 271x294, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5825562 Man I hope this is just your retarded idea of a joke or something but I suspect it isn't

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 17:03:36 2014 No.5825599 >>5825365 This.

Anonymous Sat Dec 6 17:03:49 2014 No.5825600
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Why is it that everyone on 4chan is obsessed with belittling and undermining somebody elses intelligence?

>hurr you fucking retarted mouth breather

It's like I'm on /v/ or something, I like to pretend you guys are above this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 17:06:10 2014 No.5825611 >>5825600 if you're stupid that makes me smart if i'm smart and you're stupid, that means i'm right and you're wrong also you can just be like hey you're dumb rather than respond to the substance of the post but i mean hey it's 4chan

>>	B) Sat Dec 6 17:06:46 2014 No.5825613 >>5825600 >>5825611 >Being this mad

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 17:07:56 2014 No.5825623 >>5825613 no i mean i'm not calling you dumb i think you had a legitimate response and the other guy clearly misinterpreted what you were saying i just mean in general

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 17:09:58 2014 No.5825634 >>5822978 The 19th century? no. The only famous ones I can think of are Lewis Carroll and John Ruskin

Anonymous Sat Dec 6 17:19:09 2014 No.5825676

>>5825295
Actualy >>5825114 and >>5825133 do exactly what an illustration is supposed to do. The picture of Alice in the hallway is set up so your eyes will wander past the larger doors before finding the small one Alice is crouched in front of. The simplistic way the doors are drawn allows you to imagine there are more than are actually visible. Furthermore, despite Alice and the tiny door being the most detailed objects in the picture, they take up a small amount of it, which conveys the feeling of finding something out of place (and thus important) in somewhere that is otherwise meaningless and uniform.

In the picture of Alice being giant, the way the picture is framed helps make it look more claustrophobic, Alice isn't just confined by the room as she grows, she is confined by the very pages of the book.

The only reason you miss these things is because you dislike Anime art style and that prevents you from seeing anything other than a generic anime girl. (Which is consistent with her portrayals as an ordinary girl in a cute dress)

>>	B) Sat Dec 6 17:25:09 2014 No.5825706 >>5825676 Is there some wierd property about this thread where no one sees that guy is actually responding to someone who said "all books" or am I just being baited here?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 17:28:46 2014 No.5825722 >>5825706 i acknowledged it twice

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 17:29:14 2014 No.5825723 >>5825266 >>5825317 >>5825352 Lol your posts are always immediately recognizable by the reaction images and are some of the worst on this board

>>	Muck Bulligan !!ryE2gEjGbpu Sat Dec 6 17:32:47 2014 No.5825734 File: 16 KB, 838x88, Screen Shot 2014-10-11 at 10.19.00 AM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5825706 you're right, just accept it and move on

Anonymous Sat Dec 6 17:38:52 2014 No.5825749
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>>5822604
http://www.akatako.net/japanese-art/trevor-brown-alice-special-edition

Here it is.
He has some good stuff but mixed in with mediocre and shock in my humble opinion.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 17:47:33 2014 No.5825777 I want this Alice Anime version but I already have a cheap crappy one with no images and a expensive one with images. I have better books to waste my money on but I still want it. ( along with Trevor Browns version )

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 18:13:20 2014 No.5825843 >>5825723 Only two of those are mine, and I made it pretty obvious considering they're both a part of the same discussion and using literally the same exact wording to ask the same question. Congrats, I guess?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 18:29:52 2014 No.5825904 >>5822611 how is it not appropriate? if anything, the style complements the story quite well

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 18:34:32 2014 No.5825925 >>5822631 All businesses should be held to improbably high standards as they are who determine what we consume

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 18:51:32 2014 No.5826016 >>5825100 more info?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 18:56:35 2014 No.5826031 >>5825100 >That moeblob artwork Disgusting.

Anonymous Sat Dec 6 19:17:52 2014 No.5826118

>>5825676
uh, no. First, the effects you mention have nothing to do with the manga art style (ie you did not show how the manga style/moe added to the story)

Second, let me analyze a hentai scene for you in the same style. The scene is a closeup shot of the guy's penis in a girl's vagina when the male is about to orgasm, a common device used in hentai animation. The camera holds still on the action.

We note the ridiculously high sized the genitalia are in this frame. Less than one feet of the anime world is displayed on a screen space that normally displayed tens of feet. This radical shift emphasizes the climax of the scene. The viewer is forced to turn his own attention fully to their genitalia, and this suggests the characters have only attention for their genitals at the moment of climax as well. Both the characters and the viewer's attention are confined by the very edges of the video screen.

Additionally, we note the confining extends across time as well. By keeping the camera still, the This emphasizes that the characters themselves are frozen by their pleasure, and is a visual metaphor for the overwhelming nature of the human orgasm.

Anyway, my argument is that you can easily make such arguments about pretty much any illustration.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 19:23:26 2014 No.5826129 >>5826118 ... which does not invalidate the opinion that the illustrations are well done despite being in manga-style.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 19:24:57 2014 No.5826132 >>5826118 The illustrations are kewl though, while most hentai is fugly. Also your interpretation of entirely hypothetical, non-specific hentai scene is strained and unconvincing

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 19:27:00 2014 No.5826139 >>5826129 ...which doesn't invalidate that the scene adds nothing to the story.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 19:32:33 2014 No.5826160 >>5826139 Why do they need to add something to the story. Ideally nothing should be added to the story, as it is fine as is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 19:34:07 2014 No.5826163 >>5826139 that came out of nowhere it's just an illustration of a scene on the book, doesn't have to add or do anything aside from illustrating a passage on the book

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 19:35:49 2014 No.5826167 File: 3 KB, 126x95, 1229767841337.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5826139 Nice derail. I'll give it 2/10.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 19:36:26 2014 No.5826170 Alice is cute. I want to fuck Alice. Thanks for reading.

Anonymous Sat Dec 6 19:47:16 2014 No.5826203

>>5826163
>doesn't have to add or do anything aside from illustrating a passage on the book
I'd argue if they're merely illustrating a scene, it detracts from the novel, forcing on the reader what image to see instead of leaving it to the imagination. The reader's attention should not be divided between the world he creates in his imagination using the text, and the world presented by the illustration.

So unless the image adds something (Moe, for example), it doesn't justify the loss.

>>5826160
>Ideally nothing should be added to the story, as it is fine as is.
And this is why illustrations aren't used in novels, the other involving cost and space.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 19:50:52 2014 No.5826222 >>5826203 The illustrations aren't keeping you from imagining the scenes how you want to. They're just there for fun

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 19:57:40 2014 No.5826247 >>5822527 >>5822533 Looks cute and well drawn. 10/10 would buy

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 19:58:48 2014 No.5826252 >>5826222 >The illustrations aren't keeping you from imagining the scenes how you want to. No, but they make it harder.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 20:01:55 2014 No.5826266 >>5822527 WAAAHHH!! they made a cover in the style of an indonesian political cartoon for my favorite children's book! I'm UPSET! faggot

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 20:02:57 2014 No.5826272 >>5826266 It probably is the best children's book of all time, tho

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 20:05:48 2014 No.5826282 >>5826170 I want to molest her. I want to fulfill the stereotype of all men being pedophile rapists.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 20:06:26 2014 No.5826288 >>5822527 >The audacity of weeaboos ここは4chanなんですけど。。。迷子さんですか?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 20:08:42 2014 No.5826298 >>5826282 I've never heard of that stereotype.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 20:12:18 2014 No.5826312 >>5826288 おめえ何つうんの英語書けえよ外人妄想ぶっ掛け所じゃねえよ、ここ

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 20:51:27 2014 No.5826456 Not gonna lie, I'd buy it. Some neat novelty factor there, and it looks cute.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 20:53:54 2014 No.5826461 >>5826312 チンチョンウィング·ウォン

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 21:00:34 2014 No.5826475 File: 995 KB, 1520x2688, 1415057033475.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5826016

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 21:05:22 2014 No.5826491 File: 1.18 MB, 1520x2688, 1415059168819.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5826475 There's not too may pictures of it from what I can find.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 21:07:20 2014 No.5826497 File: 1.13 MB, 1520x2688, 1415059278433.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5826491

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 21:11:37 2014 No.5826514 >>5825339 I don't know, you seem pretty unpleasant and autistic yourself m8

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 21:13:16 2014 No.5826520 >>5825551 You getting butt-devastated on 4chan in an argument over anime is pretty autistic, though.

>>	B) Sat Dec 6 21:19:50 2014 No.5826540 File: 23 KB, 269x311, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5826520 >Being this phenomanenally upset >Hours later Dear christ, anon

>>	B) Sat Dec 6 21:21:13 2014 No.5826544 >>5826540 I can't pronounce what I typed

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 21:23:06 2014 No.5826555 I don't understand why it's considered a children's book. Sure children can understand it fine, but how does that make it "for children" and not also for adults?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 21:23:53 2014 No.5826558 >>5826555 Because it's written for children.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 21:25:06 2014 No.5826563 >>5826540 I'm not even the same guy you fuckwit.

>>	B) Sat Dec 6 21:26:24 2014 No.5826570 >>5826563 I know that but I guess you're the mad one now anyway huh xP

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 21:27:01 2014 No.5826572 >>5826570 >>>/r/memes

Anonymous Sat Dec 6 21:28:48 2014 No.5826580

>>5826555
Because it was written for a child, his friend's daughter and was originally told on a rowing trip with his friend and his children. When he was going to have it published he had other children read it and asked for their opinions. The book is literally "for children", but that doesn't mean adults can't (and do) enjoy reading it too.

B) Sat Dec 6 21:31:19 2014 No.5826592

>>5826572
>After you non-ironically brought up the phenomena of "HAHA BUT NO I SAID YOU'RE MAD" that I was questioning
>Hours later

You are truly an enigma. I say non-ironically because your reaction now indicates you were definitely not joking like I was hoping when I posted the triggered picture.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 6 21:48:58 2014 No.5826653 >>5826592 Why do you even respond?

>>	B) Sat Dec 6 21:51:15 2014 No.5826662 >>5826653 Well that guy got actually mad and called me a fuckwit from reddit, so apparently I do it to "win".

Anonymous Sun Dec 7 01:21:00 2014 No.5827634

>>5826662
I took a look at the reply thread. Here's why I thing you're a massive fag.

>"BUT THE BOOKS IS ABOUT CUTE GIRLS!"
Purposely stupefying others people's arguments in greentext is a dick move, especially since you don't convey his argument. If his post is retarded, there's no need for exaggeration. Just quote it. It won't suddenly become less retarded. You may insult him after you properly quote and shred his argument if your wish.

>Somehow, I always knew it was the anime retards who have to be a shithead, unpleasant fucking faggot about -everything-. It is not at all surprising people that immature and actually autistic watch anime all day long.
Here's a great example of how quoting stupid arguments is better than purposely exaggerating them! It's 100% made up insults and 0% legitimate arguments. For example "fucking faggot about -everything-." is obviously not true. On the other hand, the insult "You suck at arguments and insults. I think you shouldn't be allowed to have children," is much better insult. I've already given evidence that your arguments are terrible, and it's also reasonable we don't want idiots having children.

Anyway, you always want to have more legitimate arguments mixed in with the insults. You do have one nice post where you point out the post in question was referring to "all books," leaving you with one argument out of 10+ shitposts.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 01:23:33 2014 No.5827637 File: 10 KB, 171x176, 1404498209297.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5827634 #rekt

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 01:26:18 2014 No.5827642 File: 36 KB, 554x720, 1451510_604311109630161_599881292_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5823005 >Dorian Gray Bishonen

Anonymous Sun Dec 7 02:14:39 2014 No.5827756

>>5827642
Now I'm imagining characters in books to be anime characters, and you know, it's not bad. Except for something like One Hundred Years of Solitude.
>every character practically has the same name
>they'll all end up looking alike except for having purple and blue hair
It'd be even more confusing than the original.

B) Sun Dec 7 02:19:21 2014 No.5827768

>>5827634
Do you think it's some amazing illumination that I was shitposting when I asked the retard after my initial, as you admitted, "good post", why he likes to spam "umad"?

Anyway I'm sort of torn in getting this book. I haven't read Alice in a probably years but I can't decide if I want an anime one. All of the pics posted so far only show alice. Are there anymore that show Wonderland or it's inhabitants?

>>	kitty !kitty/EnNg Sun Dec 7 02:25:24 2014 No.5827778 >>5827768 >All of the pics posted so far only show alice one of the first pics shows adorable hatter and cute dormouse too

>>	B) Sun Dec 7 02:32:44 2014 No.5827792 File: 11 KB, 197x256, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5822533 >That Hatter Well the rest of what I've seen looks pretty good...

Anonymous Sun Dec 7 03:09:12 2014 No.5827858

>>5827768
>Do you think it's some amazing illumination that I was shitposting when I asked the retard after my initial, as you admitted, "good post", why he likes to spam "umad"?
First, personally, I don't recommend responding to shitposting with shitposting in arguments. I think it's lazy. I'd much rather point out how stupid their shitposts are, add in insults, and if I'm feeling especially sadistic, I'll try to depress them so much they hang themselves.

Second, you know how I greentexted your first post, which came before your "good post?" My point was that your posts were already shit from the beginning. Having one decent line in the middle is like having a gold coin in a pile of shit: it's still a pile of shit. You can do better. The problem with with you is you ask "Why are you a moron?" or "You are a moron" instead of clearly stating "You are a moron because X,Y, and Z." You could do a much better job of arguing others into misery.Remember, if you're talking to morons, you can't expect them to understand why they're worthless unless you spell it out in easy to an understand format. Insults need to be grounded in logic; hold the moron's hand as you guide them into a world of hurt. You could give shitpost arguments like "I fucked your mother" and will make them a bit unhappier, but you don't get the soulcrushing effect of convincing someone they're worthless, you know? Or even better, you get to make sense.

Anyway, I plan on getting the book. It's too cute not to get. I've been meaning to read the book version anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 03:10:23 2014 No.5827864 >>5827792 I'd honestly be more worried about that rabbit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 03:18:49 2014 No.5827880 File: 293 KB, 1000x726, SevenSeasAIW-02.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5827858 >It's too cute not to get. This shit IS cute. The book is good too, a solid read, but it's been too long since I've read it for me to say much else about it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 09:09:17 2014 No.5828276 Alice would make a killer anime.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 09:34:13 2014 No.5828363 >>5827880 >>5822533 that's cute woulda fuck that anime alice

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 10:03:11 2014 No.5828425 Alice-chan kawaii desu ne

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 10:07:39 2014 No.5828433 File: 2.85 MB, 1280x720, 1402227550971.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'd enjoy every book I read more in anime style. Anime can also be edgy when needed be.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 10:42:37 2014 No.5828558 >>5826475 >>5826491 >>5826497 Damn this is cute, I really like the style.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 11:01:28 2014 No.5828613 >>5826491 >tfw Alice will never tie you to the bed and rape you >tfw Alice will never spit in your mouth >tfw giant Alice will never smother you to death with her giant pussy >tfw

>>	kitty !kitty/EnNg Sun Dec 7 11:02:46 2014 No.5828615 >>5828613 yes, she is not the queen of hearts

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 11:12:09 2014 No.5828642 >>5828433 Love the style. What's it from?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 12:36:25 2014 No.5828702 >>5828642 Jin-roh.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 12:40:32 2014 No.5828724 >>5828613 >tfw Alice will never tie you to the bed and rape you >tfw Alice will never spit in your mouth >tfw giant Alice will never smother you to death with her giant pussy there should be a doujin for this, right?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 13:41:51 2014 No.5828853 File: 123 KB, 600x811, youareaweeb.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 13:49:15 2014 No.5828880 File: 35 KB, 315x475, fuckkkkkkkk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] just going to leave this here

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 13:51:12 2014 No.5828884 >>5823005 >Tfw you do this and kind of feel guilty for violating the author's creative vision.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 14:20:23 2014 No.5828971 >>5823005 >tfw you wish you could draw so you could make unauthorized manga of your favorite novels

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 14:25:29 2014 No.5828990 >>5825366 >Yes, it is a childrens book, but what makes Alices journey special and interesting isn't fucking moeblobbery >implying there's anything wrong with moeblobbery

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 14:30:20 2014 No.5828996 >>5828884 >violating the author's creative vision We are improving his vision

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 15:49:02 2014 No.5829214 >>5823005 This seriously makes every book better.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 18:35:41 2014 No.5829866 >>5823005 The only times I've done this is when I read War and Peace then later Anna Karenina. What is it about uniquely Tolstoy that would make my brain do this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 19:30:39 2014 No.5830112 File: 19 KB, 350x272, HA_HA_HA_OH_WOW_xlarge.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >a great piece of children literature >made by a pedophile

Feminarkist !!XI7SJUHr/Uv Sun Dec 7 19:33:40 2014 No.5830138
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More interesting than 90% of literary fiction covers, sadly.

Why does literature put less thought into presentation than any other art form?

Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

Anonymous Sun Dec 7 19:51:26 2014 No.5830229

>>5822594
>>5822665
>Svankmajer's Alice
Just watched that movie.

Would like to point out there are 2 loli panty shots around 40:00 when the block house is under siege by the skeletons. It's right before and after she kicks the dinosaur from the chimney. The second shot is longer.

Not sure if I'm supposed to fap.

Anonymous Sun Dec 7 19:55:46 2014 No.5830254
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>>5830138
/lit/ covers are constrained by several things
>unwillingness to depict main characters, as this will taint a reader's imagined version of them
>simultaneous desires to have something classically inoffensive, yet also eye-catching and contemporary

So like 90% of the time they end up being this boring geometric shit

Anonymous Sun Dec 7 20:22:48 2014 No.5830437

>>5829866
I feel you, for some inexplicable reason the only time something like this has occurred to me was just after reading Asimov's Mirror image: I had a strong urge to imagine it as a an animated short. Even though I pictured it in a western style, I think anime could work too.

Though now that >>5823005 said it I'm probably going to start doing this with other books as well. Damn you /lit/!

...although usually I just imagine books in a way that matches the setting, prose and the general view of the time-period it was written in.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 20:38:42 2014 No.5830538 >>5830254 The Stranger is boring geometric shit, though

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 21:47:46 2014 No.5830911 File: 966 KB, 768x1024, stalin.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ayy lmao

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 21:50:51 2014 No.5830928 >>5830229 Svankmajer created something Carroll would have wanted to see... if anything it's not sexual enough. What did you think of it otherwise?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 7 22:09:24 2014 No.5831051 >>5826282 me too. i'm gonna buy this.

Anonymous Sun Dec 7 22:15:55 2014 No.5831091

>>5830928
I think it's genius at points, but it's badly paced. The first half dragged, and I was thinking about dropping it when the skeletons came. That elevator scene especially was annoying. When it dragged on I was left waiting for the next panty shot.

But yeah, otherwise, Parts like the sleeping sock getting its eye stitched were great.

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 00:27:57 2014 No.5832058 [DELETED]

Reminder if you actually imagine things in anime style you have overdosed on a supernormal stimulus and your brain has actually changed as a result.

It's actually been damaged due to the peak shift that anime artstyle induces.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernormal_stimulus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroesthetics#Peak_Shift_Principle

This is one of the underpinnings of Japan's demographic crisis, and their males lack of interest in women.

It is also one of the reasons that `weebs` on the internet, people who watch anime/read VNs/manga/etc for most of their waking hours, start to claim (true or false) they're "not attracted" to real people.

Anime style exploits the naturally evolved stimulus of attraction and exploits it, similar to how junk food operates.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 00:31:19 2014 No.5832074 >>5832058 >exploits the naturally evolved stimulus of attraction and exploits it A bit redundant, don't ya think?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 00:32:14 2014 No.5832082 >>5832074 Yes, it's late and I was typing quick. I forgot I was on /lit/ where I should be more careful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 00:32:31 2014 No.5832085 >>5832074 It's copypasta. Report it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 00:33:18 2014 No.5832093 >>5832085 It's not copypasta you fucking faggot this is the first time it's ever been posted, you can check the archives. Someone copy-pasted it into the /a/ thread about 30 seconds before i cross posted my own, non-copypasta post, there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 00:34:23 2014 No.5832099 >>5832093 I'm pretty sure I've seen that shit at least twice in /vg/

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 00:34:32 2014 No.5832100 >>5832058 >Reminder if you actually imagine things in anime style you have overdosed on a supernormal stimulus On the contrary, I was >>5829866 and I don't watch anime at all. Interesting stuff though

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 00:35:29 2014 No.5832109 >>5832099 That exact post is not pasta, but it might be rehashing ideas used before, but it isn't pasta. Those are real things and have come up a number of times, I've seen posts that include it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 00:36:31 2014 No.5832113 >>>/a/118040062

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 00:41:50 2014 No.5832142 >>5832113 I don't know what to feel about this

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 00:49:48 2014 No.5832159
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>>5832113
Why the fuck do people cross-post our shit onto other boards. Why? Christ. The best thing for /lit/ is for every other board to forget that we even exist. Fuck whoever did that. Seriously, fuck off faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 00:50:34 2014 No.5832162 Does /lit/ have people that wallow in their own intentionally bad taste? I guess not, I heard you guys kick anyone who reads Martin or Harry Potter off your board.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 00:50:51 2014 No.5832164 File: 18 KB, 633x758, 1365551242072.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5832113 >tfw they're making fun of us

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 00:53:07 2014 No.5832175 >>5832162 /lit/ kicks them off because they're fantasy/young-adult

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 00:56:03 2014 No.5832184

>>5832162
Naw we have plenty of decent ASOIAF threads here

Notwithstanding a couple insecure tryhards the people that don't like asoiaf have given up arguing about it. Same goes for Harry Potter. I would tell anyone who DIDN'T read Harry Potter when they were a kid to get the fuck out

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 00:59:06 2014 No.5832197 >>5832159 On a side note, which one of you fucking splerglords is actually arguing with them? What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:02:55 2014 No.5832212 >>5832159 You guys really are worse than us. Even if we hate outsiders, I've never seen someone complain about being crosslinked.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:03:51 2014 No.5832216 >>5832184 >I would tell anyone who DIDN'T read Harry Potter when they were a kid to get the fuck out It's not a good enough series to justify that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:05:25 2014 No.5832224 >>5832212 It's not crosslinking, it's crossposting shit from here to make other boards mad

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:05:43 2014 No.5832226 >>5832175 this. fucking plebs

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:06:02 2014 No.5832228 >>5832159 >>5832197 /a/ and /lit/ share a fair amount of userbase, actually, so you don't get to be forgotten.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:06:54 2014 No.5832232 >>5832184 >not starting with the Greeks

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:08:16 2014 No.5832236 This is cute as fuck.

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:08:38 2014 No.5832238

>>5832212
Part of why we don't like it is because we know you'll then have a dumbed down discussion of it. It's insulting that we're discussing the same topics.

Obviously /a/ wouldn't complain when people corss-post their material; it's not possible to dumb /a/ down any further.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:10:14 2014 No.5832244 >>5832212 >>5832238 Daily reminder that anyone who directly links their personal identity to a "home-board" is a legitimately sad human being. >>5832224 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:10:31 2014 No.5832245 the /a/ thread has now been deleted as off-topic. On which point, has Anyone read _Sylvie and Bruno_?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:10:51 2014 No.5832248 >>5832228 >a/ and /lit/ share a fair amount of userbase, I refuse to believe that people who like cartoons made for little girls in a Pacific island with radiation everywhere actually appreciate quality literature.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:11:10 2014 No.5832251 >>5832244 >is a legitimately sad human being. Do you know where you are?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:11:22 2014 No.5832252 >>5832248 my sides

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:11:35 2014 No.5832255 >>5832248 I watch anime (don't post on /a/ though) and I am willing to bet I am significantly more well-read than you

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:13:10 2014 No.5832261

>>5832238
>Obviously /a/ wouldn't complain when people corss-post their material; it's not possible to dumb /a/ down any further.

This is completely untrue. Don't act all superior now if you don't browse the board or have a slight hint of knowledge in anime or manga in general, because if anything it'd make you look dumb and not anyone else.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:13:32 2014 No.5832262 >>5832255 Ohhhhhh how much?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:14:26 2014 No.5832265 >>5832262 like, a shit ton

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:14:34 2014 No.5832266 File: 235 KB, 680x680, 1414270364056.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5832248

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:14:40 2014 No.5832267 >>5832244 >Daily reminder that anyone who directly links their personal identity to a "home-board" is a legitimately sad human being. Daily reminder people too stupid to formulate arguments can only make up insults

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:16:34 2014 No.5832271 >>5832265 Then what was the name of Hitler's never-attempted land operation on Great Britain

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:18:06 2014 No.5832275

>>5832267
Why the FUCK would I care if
>LE LIT IS THE SHITTIEST BOARD
>/A/ IS SO DUMB SUCH A SHITTY BOARD

I'm not arguing because this isn't something any god damned rational person would argue about. I can't even FATHOM how weak your personal identity would have to be that you would take pride in how much better the 4chan board YOU go to is than the another 4chan board.

If you found yourself personally insulted when someone insulted /a/ or /lit/ then it is probably time to get the fuck off 4chan. Board tribalism is the most pathetic shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:18:20 2014 No.5832276 File: 64 KB, 563x563, 1375825688665.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5832248

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:18:22 2014 No.5832277
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>>5832255
List me off your favourites, you seem overly sure of yourself to the point where you forget that taste is subjective.
Ive seen over 800 shows and read over 600 classic novels, try me with your "significantly more well-read" taste.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:19:43 2014 No.5832281 >>5832271 Not that guy but are you serious now, that literally takes one google click

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:20:03 2014 No.5832282 >>5832277 Well then you better brush up on your reading comprehension mate. Read my post again. Then read yours. Then come back and tell me why I said you have shitty reading comprehension.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:20:06 2014 No.5832283 >>5832248 Shows how misinformed you are. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH32Chen5Vo

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:20:49 2014 No.5832284 >>5832271 Just so you know, il/lit/erate, such a question is easy thanks to google. If you want to expose someone as a bad reader, then you should ask them to write an essay or somthing to that effect.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:21:34 2014 No.5832286 >>5832282 I want to know what your favourite books are, there is no real reason other than your previous comment is slightly annoying.

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:22:01 2014 No.5832289

>>5832261
>This is completely untrue.
That is completely untrue

>if you don't browse the board or have a slight hint of knowledge in anime or manga
/a/'s shitty quality has nothing to do with how familiar I am with it. I'm surprised that you don't try to claim /a/ is not shitty instead of questioning how familiar I am with it.

> it'd make you look dumb and not anyone else.
You have to realize /a/ makes itself look dumb.

But I've been on /a/ for years until a few months ago. Samurai Flamenco was the last straw for me

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:22:36 2014 No.5832290 >>5822527 face it OP. the japs have better cartoon art styles than western cartoonists. people are just emulating what they like. eventually most western animation will be based off of anime and manga, and that's all there is to it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:22:42 2014 No.5832291 >>5832281 Well now you've ruined the question. New one: what was the wild animal that Crœsus' son attempted to kill when he was pierced through the heart by Adrastos?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:23:38 2014 No.5832294 File: 4 KB, 190x190, 1402729647698.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5832248 ayy

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:24:04 2014 No.5832296 Wow. it's like I'm really on /a/. >>5832294 >>>/v/

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:24:20 2014 No.5832297 >>5832283 Actually, anime can be pretty good when it has an actual story behind it. It's just a different medium of expression that just so happens to be used mainly for moe and ecchi. But there's quality stuff

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:24:37 2014 No.5832299 File: 206 KB, 751x1057, kawaiihitler.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5822568 it's....beautiful...

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:25:13 2014 No.5832302 File: 820 KB, 1000x1414, 1417840588486.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5822527 What is it like to not perceive this as excellence?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:25:31 2014 No.5832303 >>5832297 meant to quote >>5832248

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:26:35 2014 No.5832306 Well I'm imagining this is for kids, not adults As a kid, I really doubt I'd be looking for the themes of this book If so, it seems to do its job pretty well

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:26:42 2014 No.5832308 >>5832303 Please don't tarnish my posts by quoting them with your greasy manchild fingers.

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:27:11 2014 No.5832309

>>5832297
There are many currently airing shows that zero Moe and Ecchi factors that rely solely on plot exhibition, art, and character development. You can tell someone is new to anime the moment they claim all anime is "moe and ecchi" without even taking the time to look at whats currently airing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:27:44 2014 No.5832312 >>5832306 The original book is for kids you moron.

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:28:10 2014 No.5832313

>>5832286
Let me tell you how these next comments of ours would have gone.

Me:
>I like Faulkner, Nabokov, Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Mann and Hawthorne

You:
>Nuh-uh you haven't read all of those author's works prove it. *asks relatively obscure question"

Me:
>*Answers question*

You:
>Nice use of google faggot.

3rd person:
>Nabokov was a purple prose untalented hack

You:
>and your taste sucks

etc. etc.

I'm going to spare us both some time and end it here. Point I was trying to make is: it is more than possible to have more than one hobby, and other hobbies include anime for some readers. Furthermore, I also suspect that the majority of faggots that waste time belittling the taste of others' on 4chan probably are dumb kids hoping to hop on "le /lit/ patrician train" by being elitist dicks to other boards. Which would quite explain why everyone hates us, despite the fact that most core /lit/erati are a fairly inoffensive bunch

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:28:22 2014 No.5832314
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>>5832297
You imply that moe has no value as art, when it is in fact a nuanced and engineered evocation of concepts like femininity and sympathy, lost in most works these days. There is "moeshit" but to say moe has no value is simply wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:28:32 2014 No.5832315 >>5832283 I watched the whole thing, Ive never seen an anime before but this is... surprisingly interesting?

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:29:31 2014 No.5832320

>>5832289
>/a/'s shitty quality has nothing to do with how familiar I am with it.
Yes it is, to see the thing that makes /a/ different from MAL or animesuki or reddit.

>You have to realize /a/ makes itself look dumb.
This baseless statement does not qualify as an argument, I could say the same about anyboard I hate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:29:48 2014 No.5832324 >>5832313 Looks like we're dealing with a... a.... gets all sweaty and nervous /l-l-lit/ expert gulp

>>	kitty !kitty/EnNg Mon Dec 8 01:30:34 2014 No.5832328 >>5832314 >concepts like femininity >lost in most works these days ha i agree about lost sympathy though

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:33:14 2014 No.5832334

>>5832313
>Projecting this hard
Give me a fucking break, I just wanted to know the taste of someone who throws around the claim that they are "significantly more well read than" random anonymous posters, ironically enough I get the most pretentious and warped answer as a result. A+

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:33:28 2014 No.5832335 >Reading Rozen Maiden manga >Have some cool Alice references like all the "Alice game" thing >Second half of Rozen Maiden tales >It's 80% made by Alice in Wonderland references

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:33:50 2014 No.5832338 >>5832312 No shit The point is, is that it doesn't ruin his artistic vision at all, since there was none to be had with kids in the first place

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:36:58 2014 No.5832346

>>5832309
>There are many currently airing shows that zero Moe and Ecchi
Let me replace "Moe and Ecchi" with "Generic shit." And there you go. My claim is all good!

>they claim all anime is "moe and ecchi"
>all
I said "most." Either you're deliberately misquoting, or you're our of whack. I clearly state there are good anime. My point is anime is very frequently used for stories which are basically concentrated moe/ecchi.

>You can tell someone is new to anime
This is how you can tell someone is new to arguing.

>>5832314
>moe is not inherently bad
I agree. But you misunderstood me. My exact line is "anime is used mostly for moe/ecchi" ie. it's a problem when the majority of the show is just moe and ecchi, with little of anything else.

ΟΥΤΙΣ Mon Dec 8 01:37:26 2014 No.5832349

>>5832314
Anime is not sophisticated art. Anime is as to sophisticated visual art as the Beatles are to Beethoven. So it might have value as pop, but it has no enduring value, no person with any trace of taste would hang an anime picture in their home.

As for the stories, I won't comment on that as I am unfamiliar with them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:38:00 2014 No.5832354 >>5832334 Do you even know what the word projecting means? Or is it a word you learned on 4chan and thought it's used against anyone you want to insult?

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:42:28 2014 No.5832369
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Dear /lit/, Angel's egg is a masterpiece of cinematic literature, if you ever decide to pick up an anime I highly advocate this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wozOCjrIp1s
From /a/ with love.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:44:10 2014 No.5832374 >>5832346 >this season no moe input >Bahamut >Psycho Pass >Terra formars >FSN >Nanatsu no Taizai >Log Horizon >Ai Tenchi Muyo! >Reconguista Not so little

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:46:13 2014 No.5832384 >>5832369 I just watched this and read wiki's blurb on it. I'm definitely intrigued

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:46:51 2014 No.5832389
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>>5832349
"Sophistication" is a made up thing by the various intellectual elite of a given era to pretend to have distance from the plebeians, its completely arbitrary. If art gives people utility, or evokes thought, or inspired positive change in society its source is meaningless. Does it matter if a golden age is inspired because a thinker read a bunch of classic ideologues like Aquinas or Descartes, or is inspired because a person really likes cute girls doing cute things and aspired for a world in which cute girls do cute things?

Although there may be different levels of skill in its creation which certainly often reflects its potential value, art can't be compared in such a way (not to lend any credence to modernists who shit out eggs on paper and then decry classics).

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:48:02 2014 No.5832392 >>5832389 >>>/a/ Shhh. Let the big boys talk.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:48:52 2014 No.5832394 >>5832389 >replying to ΟΥΤΙΣ

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:49:12 2014 No.5832396 >>5832374 You forgot Mushishi S2 Parasyte Psycho Pass S2 The obligatory Gundam. Fate/Stay night Ronija the robbers daughter. And thats just counting this season alone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:49:13 2014 No.5832397 >>5832374 >this season no moe input Misquote. >list of mostly shit I'd respond by listing the moe/ecchi shows, but that would take too long. They outnumber your examples by far.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:49:49 2014 No.5832400 >>5832389 Funky.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:50:36 2014 No.5832403 >>5832396 Magic Kaito

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Mon Dec 8 01:51:51 2014 No.5832407 >>5832389 >its completely arbitrary. Exactly how much literary criticism have you read? You do know that is serious criteria to judging literary merit, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:52:06 2014 No.5832409 >>5832396 >>5832374 /a/ Is so fucking spoiled, /co/ roughly has around 11 shows a year and the majority is geared towards adolescent children.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:52:41 2014 No.5832410 >>5832396 Did you read my post? But yeah forgot Mushishi and Parasyite >>5832397 >listing the moe/ecchi shows, This season alone? List them, won't take you more than 3 minutes.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:53:14 2014 No.5832414 >>5832346 >>5832397 >using the majority argument Books have easily the worst ratio of good:shit out of any medium. 10 chinese cartoons out of 50 in the season being good is a high ratio.

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:53:54 2014 No.5832417

>>5832389
It's true for many elitists "sophistication" is bullshit, but claiming sophistication is made up just because of that is claiming wolves don't exist after reading "The Boy who cried wolf"

Example of hierarchy of sophistication, from highest to lowest:
Aristotsle readings
newspaper
Porn

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:53:55 2014 No.5832418 >>5832369 Thanks /a/, you guys are alright. I apologize for the /lit/ assholes currently making a fuss in your thread.

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:54:28 2014 No.5832420

>>5832389
i'm on your side in this but you're wrong.

Sophistication can be viewed as arbitrary and indeed, in many cases it is. However to deride all value attributed to classics because "everything is subjective" is dumb.

You put two intelligent people who have read The Sound and the Fury (a modernist classic you would consider as "shitting out eggs onto paper") into the same room and they would be able to talk about it for HOURS. The same can be said, I think, for the very best animes.

Can the same be said about shit like the Hunger Games? No. So that's how /lit/ (and the academic elite in real life) generally defines intellectual worth. It's not some spook invented to make "intellectuals" feel superior; it's definitely a real thing

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:55:54 2014 No.5832421 >>5832417 >Aristotsle Greek philosophers were the definition of pseudo intellectual.

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:56:54 2014 No.5832425

>>5832414
Either you didn't read what I said, or you did, but you didn't comprehend basic English. I'll spell it out for you:

I claim "most anime are moe/ecchi shit", although I later revise that to "most anime are generic shit"

Do you see why I might use the majority argument for that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:59:16 2014 No.5832428 >>5832425 His previous post is still relevant to your revised argument.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 01:59:34 2014 No.5832429 >>5832421 Please: 1. Explain, with examples, what real intellectual is 2. Explain how those Greek philosphers' works that stood the test of time are pseudo intellectual

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 02:00:45 2014 No.5832435
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>>5832417
I'm saying people who think something is more valuable on the basis of "sophistication" are just arguing from some invisible authority that was established by the intellectual elite, not on any merits of the work. Yes there is as I said varying levels of intellectual difficulty in the creation of arts as you described, but the value depends on the person consuming it so as far as judging things "value for society and people" which is the criteria most people circle jerk about, you can't compare any two pieces of work.

>>5832420
Oh but it is an arbitration, the criteria of which we define intellectual merit are built up on centuries of intellectual circle jerking on the subject which we internalize to rank things once we have a loose understanding of them. But that has no bearing on how much value is generated by a work for society or people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 02:02:30 2014 No.5832443 >>5832429 >Explain how those Greek philosphers' works that stood the test of time are pseudo intellectual Just because something is old, doesn't make it "intellectual".

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 02:03:52 2014 No.5832448 >>5832412 You plebs probably haven't even heard of Climclasp, let alone read him. He distills the autism of our age into radiant sagas of nudnikery and NEETism.

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Mon Dec 8 02:06:36 2014 No.5832455 I think I should add: you can legitimately prefer an abacus to a computer, but that doesn't mean a computer isn't far more sophisticated than an abacus.

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Mon Dec 8 02:07:51 2014 No.5832461 >>5832455 Drawing anime just does not require nearly the talent, training, effort and genius if more sophisticated art.

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 02:08:29 2014 No.5832463

>>5832425
What do you mean by 'generic' if it's not moeshit?

By shows from this season, we have a battle royale of historical figures in the past, a fight between humanity and enormously evolved cockroaches on Mars, a shonen about knights in the medieval time period, a persistent struggle with a dictatorial futuristic system. And these are just shows that i'm following.

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 02:16:01 2014 No.5832487

>>5832410
>list moe/ecchi/shit shows
>won't take 3 minutes
I don't remember all of their names. You can take a look for yourself in you want.
http://thecartdriver.com/fall-2014-anime-season-preview/

Unless you're seriously trying to argue that anime is not mostly ecchi/moe/generic shit?

>>5832428
>his previous post is relevant
How? Here's the flow of argument

>someone claims someone who like anime can't appreciate literature, implying anime is worthless.
>I explain anime has legitimate works, even if the majority of it is moe/ecchi
>guy proceeds to argue that a minority of anime are not moe/ecchi.

Paradise !!vh7XQhHe/pR Mon Dec 8 02:16:22 2014 No.5832489

>>5832455
What a load of bullshit. A picture is a picture. There is no superiority in having a taste for someone breaking their back over what you hang up on your wall just to hang there. Not that it isn't nice to see these grand creations, though, but they're about as deep as watching Bruce Lee play table tennis with nunchucks without the content.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 02:18:01 2014 No.5832493 File: 35 KB, 318x480, greatest painting of all time.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5832461 What is more of an artistic achievement this or the cover of the book?

>>	Paradise !!vh7XQhHe/pR Mon Dec 8 02:22:16 2014 No.5832504 >>5832489 It's pretty nutso that a generation has fallen so madly in love with cartoon girls though. And that they're generally the most decent people too, the animes dudes

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 02:23:29 2014 No.5832508

>>5832463
>what do you mean by generic
There's the generic harem show, the generic shounen show, and so on. Basically, shows that rehash tried and true ideas without adding anything entertaining. I don't mean well written anime based on a generic concept. I mean a generically written anime based on generic concepts., or even a generically written show based on a novel idea (for example, Psycho pass season 2, which you mentioned, which is being written by a different writer this time, and is, imo, boring shit. This only thing going for the show was the plot set up by the first season. You don't get more generic than killing dogs to show "oh they're so evil)

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 02:30:48 2014 No.5832531

>>5832487
I'm going to use the bastardized English name of that blog you linked

moeshit/haremsit
>A Good Librarian Like a Good Shepherd
>Electric Town Bookstore Worker
>I, Will Become a Twin Tail.
>Searching for the Lost Future
>Le Fruit de la Grisaia
>Trinity 7
>Girl Friend BETA
>Yuuki Yuna is a Hero
>Method of the Heavens
>INOU-Battle in the Usually Daze
>Shirobako
no moe
>Magic Kaito
>Selector Spread Wixoss
>Psycho-Pass 2
>Yowamushi Pedal
>Gundam Build Fighters Try
>Log Horizon 2
>Buddy Complex
>Mushishi
>Knights of Sidonia
>The Seven Deadly Sins
>Fate/Stay night: Unlimited Blade Works
>Gundam Reconguista in G
>Rage of Bahamut Genesis
>Parasyte
>Ronia the Robber’s Daughter
>April is Your Lie
>Garo: Honoo no Kokuin
>Terra Formars
>Akatsuki no Yona
>Cross Ange: Rondo of Angels and Dragons
>World Trigger
>King of the Magic Bullet and the Vanadis

>hurr durr most anime is moe/ecchi

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 02:35:10 2014 No.5832546

>>5832531
And alot of those aren't even moe besides having cute girl characters.

>Shirobako
Realistic suffering in 3dpd land as low paying anime production jobs and a shit economy eats away at the soul of cute girls.
>Twintail
Complete satire of harem series in which aliens invade and try to steal essences of fetishes from the earth and a twin tail fetishists fights to protect it
>Yuuki Yuna
Cute girls forced to fight as undead litches in magical battles against eldirch monstrosities by an dubious religious organization.

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 02:42:04 2014 No.5832575

>>5832508
Not that guy but if you're going to address something so common of commercial nature, it'd begin to serve as a criticism towards the society and consumerism in general, since that's the issue for every story telling media nowadays not excusively to anime. Literature also suffer a hell lot from that and the vast majority of them are also generic aswell.

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 02:50:11 2014 No.5832592

>>5832531
>hurr durr most anime is moe/ecchi
The thing I find most insulting about this post is that you took the time to look through each one, but you couldn't spare the time to read what I said.

I've already revised my claim to "generic shit," I'm not going to argue when you don't read what I say. Also, I think most of the shows on there are generic shit.

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 02:58:20 2014 No.5832606
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>>5832592
I thought the original criticism was 'most anime is moe/ecchi'.

Obviously most of everything is generic, since that was what formed the definition of the word generic itself.

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 03:11:57 2014 No.5832638

>>5832531
I don't have that moe chart but pretty much everything and nothing falls into the "moeshit" denomination.

>>5832592
Something not generic isn't necessarily good.

>A Good Librarian Like a Good Shepherd
>Harem MC's way of seeing things changes due to having friends and then he's stuck on taking the decision of transcend humanity in order to help humanity at cost of his existence.

And also something being generic isn't necessarily shit, like Grisaia that fall on your typical LN adaptation of a harem alpha MC who helps girls on their personal problems, but the animation, girls, stile, and story telling can make a pretty fun show to watch, so fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 03:13:27 2014 No.5832640 Glad to see /lit/ finally talk about the board topic, anime

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 03:16:21 2014 No.5832651 >>5832638 Moeshit means cute girls doing cute things m8, the SoL shows like K-on and the likes. Having a moe character =/= moeshit

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 03:18:10 2014 No.5832655

>>5832575
You're quite right, although there is such thing as generic level being competent or even great.

My gripe with anime is that the "generic" level in is low. For example, the beach episode. They just show the characters playing around on the beach without legit content. Nothing happens. You might as well show us the characters sleeping; no plot content will be lost

I can't think of any generic theme in Literature that features something of that standard being part of stock material.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 03:18:57 2014 No.5832661 >>5823864 Underrated post.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 03:21:56 2014 No.5832677 >>5832638 >Something not generic isn't necessarily good. You're right. Thing is, I my argument is against "generic shit anime", not "generic anime" I'm talking about content that is generically written, not generic content that is well written.

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 03:23:54 2014 No.5832683

>>5832655
>My gripe with anime is that the "generic" level in is low. For example, the beach episode. They just show the characters playing around on the beach without legit content. Nothing happens. You might as well show us the characters sleeping; no plot content will be lost

Are you shitting me, the beach episode is a trope in SoL/harem shows, how you called Psycho Pass generic and then degraded it to something like that is beyond me. I have a feeling you just read random blogposts about anime and pretend to know about the subject, I doubt you even watch Psycho Pass.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 03:25:11 2014 No.5832691 >>5832677 Things don't suddenly become shit because you said so, pal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 03:27:21 2014 No.5832701 >>5832655 >beach episode >theme what

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 03:32:54 2014 No.5832723 File: 65 KB, 230x326, 1382179931563.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5832655 >I-I revised my claim to 'generic shit' >Use exclusive moeshit trope to criticize generic shit This guy

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 03:36:25 2014 No.5832734

>>5832683
>beach episode is a trope
Doesn't prove it's not shit. It's a trope because it's common, not because it's brilliant.

>you called Psycho Pass generic and then degraded it to something like that
I assume you refer to how I call both Psycho Pass and beach episodes generic. I don't see how it's a problem that they share the same trait? Boku and Pico and Psycho Pass are both anime. Are you going to flip out again?Incidentally, I'm talking about Psycho Pass S2, not S1, which was great.

>>5832701
>Things don't suddenly become shit because you said so, pal.
It's shit because it's shit to begin with.

>>5832701
theme ---> trope, stock plot generator
you get the point

>I have a feeling you just read random blogposts about anime and pretend to know about the subject

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 03:36:34 2014 No.5832735 >>5832369 I didn't ask for this bag of feels, and I'm not sure if I should thank you. But thanks anyhow, it was definitely worth watching.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 03:37:39 2014 No.5832741 >>5832683 i don't think there's anything wrong with seeing the characters of a show put in a common situation, just so see how they react and interact within that common trope >nothing happens btw is the most pleb critique

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 03:43:33 2014 No.5832752

>>5832734
Did you read my post?
>a trope used in SoL/harem shows

No it isn't used anywhere other than moeshit/haremshit. You said that you have revised your claim to 'most anime is generic shit' and then came up with an example that's excusively found in moeshit to criticize the latter. How does that even work?

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 04:07:34 2014 No.5832807

>>5832752
>No it isn't used anywhere other than moeshit/haremshit
Not who you're arguing with, but this is bullshit. Beach episodes appear in all sorts of anime. Suisei no Gargantia comes to mind. Another as well.

I hardly watch anime and even I'm aware of the beach episode trope

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 04:14:31 2014 No.5832820 >>5832807 >Suisei no Gargantia haremshit in disguise Please point out which anime in the second category posted on >>5832531 has a beach episode.

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 04:17:04 2014 No.5832823
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>Waiting for my copy to arrive
>"Might as well keep refreshin this thread, I'm so excited"
>Have been waiting for the topic to re-rail from yet another retarded shitstorm for days

I'm going back to my books.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 05:41:08 2014 No.5832983 File: 1.43 MB, 982x1600, omake1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5832820 Cross Ange: Rondo of Angels and Dragons

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 06:05:39 2014 No.5833037 >>5832531 >Sidonia no Kishi >no moe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 08:22:37 2014 No.5833253 Why is `anime` artstyle so incredibly unoriginal?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 08:25:37 2014 No.5833262 >>5832531 cherrypicked definitions of "moeshit/haremshit" better example "cute girls doing otakupandering things" to put literally cross fucking ange the biggest piece of shit in the "good" list is retarded

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 08:28:14 2014 No.5833272

>Breaking anime down into "moe" or "not moe"
You're all doing it wrong.

Anime is like the opposite of most mediums.
Most mediums you go past entry level and enjoy things on a deeper more patrician intellectual level
Anime you quickly consume the patrician intellectual anime and all that remains for you, due to the sheer quantity of the kind, are cliche formulaic garbage genre fiction.

Separate it into genre fiction and non-genre fiction

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 08:57:55 2014 No.5833322 File: 29 KB, 372x240, sword-online-smartest-anime-74378518.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5833272 Is this you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 11:01:03 2014 No.5833688 >>5832369 I just finished this, it was incredible. Thank you for the vivid, disturbing, unnerving, amazing, astounding, memorable work of art, I ended up crying at the end. I haven't seen any anime before but this experience was defiantly enjoyable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 11:49:37 2014 No.5833886 >>5823005 >Demo, Navidson-san, a-a-abunai desu.

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 12:28:11 2014 No.5834104

>>5832752
>No it isn't used anywhere other than moeshit/haremshit.
Meaning its used in a vast amount of anime.

>How does that even work?
I claim the level of some of the generic/common stock tropes used in anime are at a low level, and I give an example of it. The no plot/creativity beach episode is indeed a low level trope used in many anime. My argument is "this is the kind of thing that passes as common practice." I don't see the issue. The claim 'most anime are generic shit" doesn't claim all anime have the same generic features. and tropes It claims a lot of anime shamelessly use shitty generic writing and boring renditions of stock tropes, such as, for example, the beach episode.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 12:36:31 2014 No.5834164 File: 8 KB, 210x214, 1417117939682.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5834104 >what is SoL You expect them to go fighting each other with light sabers in a slice of life series or what. Check the genre before spouting shit.

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 12:54:46 2014 No.5834258

>>5834104
>this is the kind of thing that passes as common practice.
Pretty sure that kind of thing also passes as common practice in romance and sol literature, this is quite an example of the Dunning–kruger effect.

Also,nothing's wrong with that trope being used within their genre. There could be a park episode, a hospital episode, an airport episode or whatever and they fool around doing things they expect to do at such locations are totally fine since it's a fucking slice of life show, by definition focusing on character interactions in common circumstances during mudane activities.

Your critism might hold some weight if you criticized anime as a medium being dominated by SOL shows, but the way you used that as an example for generic writing is quite retarded.

I'm not that guy you're replying to, but I posted earlier in this thread and followed it, btw.

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 13:18:52 2014 No.5834350

>>5834164
>>5834258
>what is quality
Something being SOL doesn't exempt it from being shit.

Case 1:
"Wow, this bread is so oishii"
"Yeah, it really is oishii, isn't it?"
"You have bread on your face. So cute!!"
"gee, you're embarrassing me."
"I can't wait for class with Aiura sensei"
"Airua-sensei is such a nice person, isn't he."
"He is, isn't he?"
"Yeah, he is.

Case 2:
"Wow, this bread is so oiishi"
"The red stuff is actually human blood"
"eh?!"
"Just kidding."
"Blood is gross. I wouldn't want to eat it."
"But when you eat meat, you're eating the blood too. You just can't see it because it's cooked."
"... =("
"Aww, you're so cute. you have bread on your face too"
"Gee, Don't touch me. I can do it myself"
"You missed a spot."
"Eh?! WHERE?" (camera shows there she already wiped all the bread crumbs)
"Here. I'll get it" (flicks her nose instead)
"I'm telling Aiura-sensei on you"
"Oh yeah, I heard he took in the Aiko-san while here home's being rebuilt. Maybe because their names are so similar."
"I'm looking forward to our class with him. He's so nice. He keeps stray cats that have no home too. I want to grow up nice like him." (dreamy look)
"Cats too? Then isn't he just lonely"
"..."
"And doesn't sensei love meat too? So he's a lonely blood guzzler."
"Stop it with the blood!!!"

Case 1: generic shit
Case 2: generic
There's a world of difference in quality. And those beach episodes are almost always fucking Case 1. Case 1 scenes are "the kind of thing that passes as common practice."

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 13:33:08 2014 No.5834400

>>5834350
Now you're just making shit up, tons of moeshit feature case 2 "quality" because that's the only way for it to drag those mundane activities out and let the audience feel like being on-scene. Also adding more interactions and dialogue does not make it better.

Case 1 might be used in those 5 minutes shows every now and then.

tldr go watch some moeshit

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 13:40:41 2014 No.5834424 >>5834350 Are you fucking kidding me now, Case 2 is literally case 1 being dragged out or when the writer want to give watchers more information. It isn't any better in quality.

>>	Anomynous Mon Dec 8 13:46:49 2014 No.5834452 File: 129 KB, 1280x720, its funky.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5832400

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 13:50:14 2014 No.5834475 File: 427 KB, 228x350, 1403071919714.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5834400 >>5834424 >people near me still replying to that fag Leave him be , you're making him not able to sleep at night.

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 13:55:58 2014 No.5834507

>>5834393
>tons of moeshit feature case 2 "quality"
They don't. This is why it's called "moeshit" as opposed to just "moe." They're not case 2 because they're dragging out a joke and using bland filler. If they were case 2 I wouldn't drop them. If you give me a show where it's not more than half repeated jokes, bland filler, or unoriginal content, I'll watch them. That's how I came across Aiura, for one.

>Case 1 might be used in those 5 minutes shows every now and then.
It might also be used in 20 minute segments for the whole episode.

>>5834424
Look at the conversation of Aiura sensei in Case 1. You could call anyone "nice." If you gave me that dialogue and took out the name, I wouldn't know who they were talking about, much less which anime it's taken from. That's what I call generic.

In Case 2, the characters give us information about the teacher that distinguishes him from the rest of the people in the universe. I wouldn't call it dragged out. It's a Slice of life. You're supposed to get more information on random aspects of their lives. How is it not better to learn more about a character, as opposed to learning nothing?

How is it not better that that scene has enough original content that I could distinguish it from every other generic shit scene I've scene?

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 14:04:40 2014 No.5834552

>>5834507
Actually they do, nichijou lucky star non non biyori inari norin or fucking K-on?

People on 4chan use "shit" as an alternative for "things", how new actually are you? shonenshit,seinenshit, TMshit, Shaftshit , Triggershit etc And yes Aiura has always been called moeshit.

To put it simply, case 1 is for minor characters, Case 2 is for MCs, they're exactly the same. When more information is needed to be given, they use case 2 and that's all there is to it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 14:10:14 2014 No.5834582 File: 1.62 MB, 245x280, hazard_than_thanh.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5834507 >They don't. This is why it's called "moeshit" as opposed to just "moe." Okay I'm out

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 14:19:08 2014 No.5834645

>>5834552
>nichijou lucky star non non biyori inari norin or fucking K-on?
watched, completed them, and thought they were great. Except K-on, which I dropped.

>People on 4chan use "shit" as an alternative for "things", how new actually are you? shonenshit,seinenshit, TMshit, Shaftshit
In neutral situations, people would generally just say shonen, as far as I see. Just in this thread, the majority of people don't call Alice in Wonderland "moe shit." They just say its cute. The word "shit" has negative connotations, and see people don't call what you like shit unless they're either acknowledging the faults about what they like, or they're so new they see people calling using shit and automatically think shit=things.

But in any case, when I speak of "moeshit', I refer to bland shows whose only appeal is moe, with no plot or good writing, and so forth.

>To put it simply, case 1 is for minor characters, Case 2 is for MCs, they're exactly the same.
My response to that is the same as the second half of >>5834507

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 14:29:03 2014 No.5834688 >>5834645 https://archive.moe/a/search/text/shonenshit/ newfag pls alice in wonderland isn't anime, and not really a sol either that's why it does not get called moeshit

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 14:36:39 2014 No.5834726
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>>5834645
>see people don't call what you like shit unless they're either acknowledging the faults about what they like, or they're so new they see people calling using shit and automatically think shit=things.
This is how you know people are new. When they call you a faggot do they seriously imly your homosexuality existed?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 14:38:50 2014 No.5834740 File: 65 KB, 444x380, Kof-xiii-kula-dialogue-portrait-b.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5834726 >>5834688 >taking pride in being oldfags

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 14:43:12 2014 No.5834762 File: 78 KB, 400x358, 6eb395c4480554f1cc0bcb6265a63ae2.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5834740 why shouldn't i?

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 14:45:52 2014 No.5834778

>>5834688
>https://archive.moe/a/search/text/shonenshit/
The majority of these refer to shonenshit in a negative context.
>Mediocre shonenshit is mediocre.

> SOL>shonenshit

>18+, Still reading/watching shonenshit
>lol

https://archive.moe/a/search/text/shonen/
"Shounenshit" isn't counted as a search result, and it fucking.returns twice the number of search results as your search. Also, as I claimed, shonen is pretty much all used in neutral situations. The trend is obvious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 14:49:31 2014 No.5834789 File: 37 KB, 241x274, 1383444929021.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5834762 >I've been wasting my time on a chinese cartoons imageboard sooner than you

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 14:53:32 2014 No.5834811

>>5834778
>and it fucking.returns twice the number of search results as your search
because the other half of 'shonenshit' is
https://archive.moe/a/search/text/%22shonen%20shit%22/

shonen can be either used as an adjective or noun, while 'shonenshit' can only be used as noun, so there you have it.

take a look at the link above for more neutral situations using shonenshit, btw

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 14:58:30 2014 No.5834837 File: 20 KB, 448x269, happy-men-turn-off1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5834778 https://archive.moe/a/search/text/%22i%20love%20moeshit%22/

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 15:00:18 2014 No.5834853

>>5834726
>When they call you a faggot do they seriously imly your homosexuality existed?
Because nowadays faggot is an insult broadened to idiots. This is something that hasn't happened to the ___shit's definition.

People who like Magical Madoka don't call it "Magical girl shit," or Death Note "Deathshit."

>>5834740
Note he's calling me new, which is something newfags like to do His shitty argument sounds like a newfags' at least

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 15:04:14 2014 No.5834878
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>>5834853

>Because nowadays faggot is an insult broadened to idiots
Actually "faggot" applies to OPs and people being mean in general.

I think you're new aswell pal, but it's okay.

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 15:10:04 2014 No.5834907

>>5834811
>shonen shit
Which again is mostly used in a negative context.

In many cases "shit" is being used as an adjective to modify shonen. ie Shonen that is shit.

>shonen can be either used as an adjective or noun, while 'shonenshit' can only be used as noun, so there you have it.
Doesn't make a difference in how you express it.
It's a shonen show ---> It's shonenshit
It's shonen ---> It's shonenshit

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 15:10:06 2014 No.5834908 >>5834853 just stop, have you not seen people said something like "i love this shit" or "this shit is awesome"? just admit you're new, also thats not how you use the word faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 15:12:08 2014 No.5834925 >>5834907 >Doesn't make a difference in how you express it. are you retarded? the point is that that was why it has more search results.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 8 15:13:13 2014 No.5834935 >>5834908 >"i love this shit" or "this shit is awesome"? different usage from "moeshit." Here shit is being used as a noun meaning "thing" "You're a fag" as opposed to "I'm a drawfag" >how to use faggot It's just a general use insult.

Anonymous Mon Dec 8 15:22:15 2014 No.5834982

>>5834925
> the point is that that was why it has more search results.
Holy shit. Name one instance where you couldn't express a sentence with shonen in adjectival capacity using "shonenshit."

Example: "It's a shonen (adj) show" can easily be expressed as "It's shonenshit" without loss of meaning.

Shonenshit's function as a noun isn't holding back anyone who wants to use that word. Bottom line, "shonen" is used more. You're pretty much arguing "The cripple is only slower because he's crippled. It's not like he lost the race"

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