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5811115 No.5811115 [Reply] [Original]

Is there a good book out there that succintly explores the degeneration of Western Culture?

>> No.5811117

>>5811115
no, now go

>> No.5811119

>>5811115
"the closing of the american mind" for degeneration of american learning institutions

>> No.5811132

Not a book but BBC's "The Century of The Self" is really good.

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>>5811115
Das kapital

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>>5811119
Thank you, currently listening to the audiobook that is available on Arhive.org (read by the author himself).

I hope to god this won't be religious poppy-cock.

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>>5811115

>> No.5811279

Amusing Ourselves to Death, by Neil Postman

>> No.5811305

>>5811115
Minima Moralia

>> No.5811325

>>5811115
Maybe you should start with Max Nordau's "Degeneration"? You know, the work that actually coined the way you use this term today?

Fuck off back to /pol/ until you actually read it and know what it's about.

>> No.5811689

>>5811276
Your welcome. Let me know your thoughts.

>> No.5811691

I didn't realize conservatives read. This is really cool.

>> No.5811703

Shouldn't the Illuminati ring be over the entire picture?

>> No.5811707

>>5811691
I didn't realize there was another BigPenis that reads. This is really cool.

>> No.5811708

>>5811703
lol

Why?

>> No.5811713

>>5811708
Because the Illuminati, if they are in control, would have been in control of 20th century thought as much as 21st century thought?

>> No.5811724

>>5811707

Duuuuude

i'll show you mine if you show me yours

>> No.5811729

>>5811713
People look to conspiracy theories as they do to religion, anon. In fact, it's even kinda like how Einstein was always on about finding out "God's thoughts". People want a fix on *everything*. But maybe we've just fucked up in modernity, dude. (Not that I think that's it, I think things have just gotten a whole lot more intense with skyrocketing populations/communications/etc.)

>> No.5811733

>>5811724
I will also show my penis

>> No.5811738

>>5811729
>People want a fix on *everything*.
The Matrix, basically.

>> No.5811746

>>5811729
Oh, we've fucked up. But if someone has been in power, they will gain more of it. Thing is, the Illuminati was a European-based secular organization. So if anything was in control during British colonization that underlies the main factions vying for control, it was the Illuminati.

The person who made this image is a bad conspiracy theorist.

>> No.5811749

>>5811746
Maybe they gained potency in this age of greater communications :0

>> No.5811766

>>5811749
Hah, if anything they're becoming really shitty at controlling the population by letting us talk like this.

>> No.5811773

>>5811766
Ya suckers lol
We should be communists, anon

>> No.5811782

>>5811773
Should we? Could we implement communism so it truly is an expression of the working class? Something that has never been done before?

>> No.5811785

>>5811782
Ya dude, we got the internet now.

>> No.5811829

Are there any suggestions on this topic that aren't politically fueled?

>> No.5811846

>>5811132
seconded but its not really about degradation of culture.

>>5811115
"Die schrecklichen Kinder der Neuzeit" by peter sloterdijk is probably going to be translated soon. this should suit your needs

or you could just ask me

>> No.5811865

>>5811115
Your mother's diary

>> No.5811875

>>5811115
The right side of the picture is the logical result of the values established and vigorously championed by society from the time of the left side of the picture. The right exists because of the left. Capitalists did this to us we never would be in this position if we went marxist

>> No.5811894

>>5811875
I never thought about this but I think you might be right about this never happening if we were socialists.

>> No.5811907

>>5811875
>>5811894
Different =/= better

>> No.5811921

>>5811115
Anything by Adorno. Hopefully he'll teach you to stop using words such as 'degeneration', as well

>> No.5812143

Yeah. Plato's Republic.

>> No.5812162

>>5811115
One-dimensional man by Marcuse, or Revolt against the Modern World by Julius Evola. They are both the popular hacks of their schools of though.

>> No.5812182

>>5811119
>One of the reasons kids today are degenerating is because of rock music

You've got to be fucking kidding me. I've been trolled.

>> No.5812187

>>5812143
How so?

>> No.5812189
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lit will say this book sucks because this place is a communist shithole, but you will really enjoy it OP

>> No.5812193

>>5811115
Just read 4chan, its perfect

>> No.5812197

>>5812182
It was just a sign, not a cause, but it was surely part of the slippery slope. Remember how even emos are manlier than the current self-hating SJW retards and how grunge culture was less faggot-ridden than emos. I can't wait to see the even more pathetic evolution.

>> No.5812205

IJ

>> No.5812216

>>5811115
From Dawn to Decadence: 500 Years of Western Cultural Life, 1500 to the Present
by Jacques Barzun

>> No.5812232

>>5812182
Yeah man, rock music is real and authentic culture, not like that degenerate commercial pop music.

>> No.5812250

>>5812182
>>5812197
>>5812232
I'm giving it another chance. He's now talking about collective vs individual, and egomania vs egalitarianism.

>> No.5812262
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5812262

"Decline of the West" by Oswald Spengler
"Revolt Against the Modern World" and "Men Among the Ruins" by Julius Evola
"Imperium" by Ulick Varange

>> No.5812269

>>5811115
just watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XdKfgnB17w

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5812274

Yes yes, let us go back to a culture where racism is the norm, women are treated as property, and gays are stomped out in alleyways on a daily basis. Fat people and internet feminists are soooo much worse than the atrocities committed by America in the past.
Oh yeah, we can all say the music of dead rock stars like Bill Haley and Elvis is objectively better than the entire genre of hip-hop. That's a fact, right?
Let's all go back to fedoras and suits because clearly the superior people in our society have already started.
Go the fuck back to /pol/ you retarded, neckbeard, basement dwelling, fedora tipping faggots. You wouldn't have gotten pussy in the '50's either.

>> No.5812287

>>5812274
Just report the thread and move on, a janitor will purge it eventually. Unfortunately, since there's no such thing as mod, that's the most you can ask for.

>> No.5812295

>>5812274
>he doesn't want to go back to aesthetial living
Shut up you capitalist piece of shit.

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>>5812274
Underrated comment

>> No.5812302

>>5812232
>>5812250
Oh, I haven't actually read it I was just taking the piss.

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>>5812274

>50's

More like 30's. A swing and a miss bruv. You can keep getting mad at people on the internet and fight for your "social justice" by posting image macros on tumblr. I'll just be here educating myself and becoming a better person, independent of likes and upvotes that are supposed to reward me for being part of the delusional hivemind.

>> No.5812311

>>5812295
>implying cultural regression is going to save us from capitalism

>> No.5812327

>>5812311
>regression
More like new aethenticity.

>> No.5812340

>>5812309
This is literally the most retarded post I have ever seen on 4chan. Correct use of literally.

>> No.5812348

>>5812274
wow, you're pretty intolerant to different world views aren't you?

>> No.5812349

>>5811279
I second this rec, highly recommend

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>>5812340

I feel the same way about your posts, so we're not really getting anywhere.

>> No.5812358

>>5812274
What you are saying seems to imply a narrative where it is either one or the other. It doesn't have to be, I can certainly think several of the things you mentioned are horrible and still believe that in many respects Western Culture (patent pending) is undergoing a degeneration of sorts.

>> No.5812360

Western culture has been on a slow downhill descent through an uphill climb in both directions through ten feet of snow, for around 6000 years.

"We live in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents. They are rude and impatient. They frequently inhabit taverns and have no self control."

- Inscription on an ancient Egyptian tomb

Socrates on the hypothetical right education for the virtuous city: And so people rediscover the seemingly insignificant conventional views their predecessors had destroyed ... [like] the silence appropriate for younger people in the presence of their elders; the giving up of seats for them and standing up in their presence; the care of parents; hairstyles; clothing; shoes; and everything else of that sort.

- The Republic, Book 4, 425b

"The world is passing through troublous times. The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as if they knew everything, and what passes for wisdom with us is foolishness with them. As for the girls, they are forward, immodest and unladylike in speech, behavior and dress."

- attributed to Peter the Hermit, 1274 AD

My uncle said, “How old are you?”
I said, “Nine and a half,” and then
My uncle puffed out his chest and said,
“When I was your age… I was ten.”

- Shel Silverstein, "When I Was Your Age"

>> No.5812363

>>5812358
nu uh it's one thing or the other

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lol /lit/ will actually defends "modern art" hahahahahah

>> No.5812366

>>5812340
>Correct use of literally.
You don't sound much bright yourself.

>> No.5812368

>>5812360
It is cyclic in some respect.

>> No.5812369

>>5812327
>He thinks reactionaries have ever introduced new authenticity
Reactionism is NOT authentic. It's an anonymous mass culture more than anything else.

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5812377

/lit/ actually defends the clear degeneration of western culture (most likely because it's comprised solely of degenerates).

How do you cretins live with yourselves?

>> No.5812380

>>5812364
lol /pol/ actually cants into grammar hahahahah

>> No.5812381

>>5812364

The the value of art is decided by the ultra wealthy and the neverending pissing contest in their social circles. The point is not that a certain painting is "actually worth" millions of dollars, it's to show off how rich you are to other rich people.

>> No.5812384

>>5812377
knowing it gets you mad, I'm actually very pleased

>> No.5812387

>>5812377
>degeneration of western culture
Which culture do you identify with?

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>>5812381
http://mileswmathis.com/launder.pdf

>> No.5812398

>>5812387
I'm a renaissance man stuck out of time. Truly.

>> No.5812401

>>5812377

I posit that the great degeneration is the end of the secure career out of college, the end of the expectation of economic instability, and the increase of economic inequality reaching 19th century levels.

People believed that the 1920s, the 1960s, 70s, and 80s were also times of degeneration. If you go back too far, the /pol/fags would probably not be satisfied with their lot in life as a peasant farmer with a life expectancy of 20.

What is the non-degenerate Western society anyway? Did it ever exist?

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5812405

>/lit/ defends x
If /lit/ defends "modern" (always lelling at you not knowing what this word means) art, how come EVERY art thread is filled with you spergs complaining everytime someone posts anything but Bouguereau?

>> No.5812414

>>5811276
Anyone have the pic on the left side of a girl watching a boy fixing things?

>> No.5812416

>>5812398
Ah, nice to see a fellow gentleman whose mind thinks alike, m'lord.

>> No.5812424

>>5812398
>>5812416
I severely hope the second one is a troll. Otherwise, though, please grant me the enlightenment you've gained in your parent's basement. Is it through keeping your virginity, or is it purely by feeling superior to everyone who is not a virgin like you?

plz respond

>> No.5812426

>>5811115

The Dialectic of Enlightenment

>> No.5812428

christopher lasch, culture of narcissism

ortega y gasset, revolt of the masses

huxley, brave new world revisited

>> No.5812432

>>5812424
you tell me ;)

>> No.5812435

>>5812414
Pls halp.

>> No.5812439

>>5812424
>virginity
It's concept of chastity you filthy non-immaculate degenerate, how could you even presume to understand innocuous being like me.

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>>5812435

>> No.5812442

>>5811279
thirded. good read, funny and informative.

i followed on and tried to read mcluhan and failed dramatically - it was too academic for me.

>> No.5812443

>>5812428
definitely revolt of the masses

>> No.5812445

>>5811276
Cherry picking: the picture. Not to mention half of that stuff wasn't real in the way you imagine it to be.

>> No.5812449

>>5812435
Crop the pic and upload to google reverse search you ninny.

>> No.5812453

>>5811279
if you hate television and want to be vindicated this is a good book to read

>> No.5812457
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5812457

>/pol/ Goes to /lit/: The Thread

Please leave

>> No.5812462

>>5812442
Try reading Daniel Boorstin's The Image, and then The Society of the Spectacle by Guy Debord.

>> No.5812469

>>5812462
the image sounds interesting, will check it out. cheers.

>> No.5812473

>degeneracy

What does that word even mean?

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5812483

>>5812445
>implying

>> No.5812485

>>5812473
If only there were some sort of collection of words and their definitions that was easily accessible online...

>> No.5812488

>>5811276
dat gay pride hunk tho...

>> No.5812493

>>5812485
I guess the dictionary is where our stormfriends' critique of the establishment ends.

>> No.5812497

>>5812483
>left: extended family
>right: wife and husband with two kids and a dog
What are we supposed to be butthurt about?

>> No.5812498

>>5812445
I never understood this jewish arguement

>half of that stuff wasn't real in the way you imagine it to be
but you can see past the bullshit into the real truth right ;^)

>muhhh darkness lurking beneath suburbia!!

>> No.5812499

>>5812483
>using some "no way like the american way" praopaganda poster to make a point of things being better the way they used to

>> No.5812515

>>5812469
If you plan to read Debord - and I recommend everyone to do so - I think these texts are nice introductions to his ideas and the language he uses

http://www.cddc.vt.edu/sionline/si/is1.html
http://www.cddc.vt.edu/sionline/si/report.html
http://www.cddc.vt.edu/sionline/si/poverty.html

>> No.5812523

>>5812377
>dat moloko

>> No.5812526

>>5812499
>being brainwashed by the media to such a point that you cannot believe a large white family gets together for thanksgiving

PROTIP: just because you call something 'propaganda' doesnt mean it isnt true. Rockwell did a lot of stereotypical small-town America work, but he also dealt with loneliness and introspection, so I wouldnt say he was creating a false view of America.

next you'll say everyone was racist lynchmobs in the 50s and women were enslaved housewives?

>> No.5812527

>>5812182
His point with rock music was that people would shrug it off as "just music" which is nonsense. It has a cultural and even political significance. There is no such thing as "just music".

>> No.5812529

>>5812364
That isn't even an example of rich shitheads buying art for the sake of the person who made it.

It's an example of rich shitheads buying art for the sake of the person who previously owned it. They want a painting that used to belong to Clapton. Like this dumbasses who drive a shitty car because the salesman told them its previous owner was some celebrity.

>> No.5812534

>>5812527
I'm the guy who gave you the recommendation by the way

>> No.5812535

>>5812529
Context gives things meaning, who knew?

>> No.5812539

>>5811115
Why are my fellow e/lit/ist allowing these a/pol/ogizers here?
>103+ post
Sage, Report and Hide

>> No.5812542

>>5812529
I think they don't buy art just because, it's a form of investment.

>> No.5812545

>>5812535
You missed the point entirely. This is less an example of the standard complaints against the contemporary art market and more a manifestation of celebrity worship. That is the fact that it's a painting is almost irrelevant.

>> No.5812549 [DELETED] 

>>5811115
This is fucking /li/, why has no one recommended anything by Gaddis. The man is famous for this stuff. My recommendation OP is "A frolic of his own" or if you have a really long breath try "JR"

>> No.5812554

>>5812545
I can see that it's a manifestation of celebrity worship but I don't really see how that's anything new or problematic. Churches keep random relics, people carry keepsakes of their loved ones, it's all the same shit.

>> No.5812562

Nice spooks OP.
Start with the Greek

>> No.5812564

>>5812562
Which one?

>> No.5812585

>>5812526
It's rosy eyed as fuck, and why the 50s of all periods? The 50s was the very start of decline in America. It was the advent of television that lent to the great fragmentation of norms, and the development of the nuclear family which was really the destruction of the community. The 50s, the post-war period, was the dawn of that new age. Anything admirable from that period was a hold-over from another period, already in decay.

Right wingers are so fucking stupid. Even when they're right, they don't know why. You know the symptoms, but when asked to point out the disease you'll blame the Blacks, the Jews, or god forbid muh cultural Marxists.

>> No.5812604

>>5812585
Left wingers are so fucking stupid. Even when they're right, they don't know why. You know the symptoms, but when asked to point out the disease you'll blame capitalism, white men, or god forbid muh western imperialism.

>> No.5812611

>>5812585
>>5812604
it's almost as if both sides of the left-right political paradigm are fucking morons for still buying into the contemporary two-party political system and turning everything into an us vs. them situation

(they are)

>> No.5812618

>>5812604
another protip: degradation of religion is a big part of it. capitalism would work fine in a christian society, with voluntary charity and respect for others. When you think people are being racist and saying its the 'jews', the worst ones are usually jewish or atheist, as their ideology allows them to exploit others for their own personal gain.

So you can't say stuff today like shipping jobs overseas, sweatshops, grueling hours, etc is a natural end of capitalism, its a bastardization of it when in the hand of those without morality.

not even pro-capitalist its just I hate leftists being stupid about the whole thing

>> No.5812626

>>5812611
ahh it wouldnt be complete without someone point this out without offering anything meaningful to say

thank you

>> No.5812629

>>5812604
>Look at me, I can plagiarize
>>5812611
>Everyone is le equal, moderate ftw

Anyone going to write something worth a full sentence of refutation?

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/thread

plus I would rail the author 10/10

>> No.5812636

>>5812189
ONE NATION UNDER A GROOVE

>> No.5812646

>>5812629
>>5812626
though we disagree, at least we are similar in hate for this faggot>>5812611

>> No.5812666

>>5812618
>implying capitalism doesn't cause the degradation of religion

You stupid faggot. It's as if you believe Capitalism and Christianity are compatible. And I don't mean

>Jesus was a liburul

But that capitalism, especially our advertising rich one, has no room for community. The "degradation" of American society is nothing but the erosion of community. First it was reduced to family. Now that is being reduced entirely to individual. That total erosion is the creation of the ideal consumer.

lol, just kiddin guys, its all the action of the big bad cultural marxists in our schools

>> No.5812687

>>5812618
>capitalism would work fine in a christian society, with voluntary charity and respect for others.
if people would just give me stuff n love me 4 bein me why wuld i even work lol ur fuking stupid

>> No.5812704

>>5812666
welllllll Satan, I agree that capitalism isn't beneficial or totally compatible with christianity, but I'm saying in the wrong hands it goes to shit way faster, people who wouldn't think twice to pollute the environment/use children/etc to make money. And this degradation of morality is a direct attack from marxism, which views the family and religion as obstacles to be overcome. Hierarchical structures are not bad in themselves, like Marx goes on and on and on and on about, but only if the person leading is corrupt. Sorry, but people need a leader and place to have a purpose. It's just how humankind works.

>muh human nature!!

stop right there faggot. humans are animals just like anything else and we have a nature.

>> No.5812709

>>5812687
because if you were christian you would feel a duty to help others....

thats my whole arguement. of course in an atheist socialist society ,what you're saying would be exactly right

>> No.5812726

>>5812704
>muh human nature!!
>if i green text it i'll be invinsible

Sorry, faggot. Animals have a learned nature as well. That's why you can raise an animal and it won't eat you.

Yeah, we have *some instincts*, but those are not far reaching, nor as complex as you desperately want them to be. Just ask Genie if she needs an inspiring leader.

>Marxism views family as an attack/obstacle

It was abundantly clear already, but you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

And anyways

>when capitalism is in the wrong hands
>implying capitalism is in anyone's hands

Jesus Christ, you are painfully retarded.

>> No.5812746

Go back to /pol/. Your independent thought is scary and hurts my feelings

>> No.5812753

>>5812726
unfortunately, calling me stupid and offering no points does not count as an argument.

Marx did call for the abolishment of the family, its seems like you haven't even read anything of his.

From the Communist Manifesto:

>Abolition [Aufhebung] of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists.

>On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form, this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. But this state of things finds its complement in the practical absence of the family among the proletarians, and in public prostitution.

>The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital.

>Do you charge us with wanting to stop the exploitation of children by their parents? To this crime we plead guilty.

>But, you say, we destroy the most hallowed of relations, when we replace home education by social.

Also, we can raise an animal without it eating us because we choose and selectively breed ones with domestic attitutes, so now we have dogs, which are distinct from wolves. But you are free to raise a lion from birth and see if it doesnt eat you if you forget to feed it.

And by capitalism in someone's hands I mean head of corporations obviously.

>> No.5812767

>>5812746
>independent

ayy lmao

>> No.5812772

>>5812618
>capitalism would work fine in a christian society

Jesus you're so fucking dumb. Most corporate greed comes from Christians, you realize. Not atheists, not Jews—Christians. By FAR.

>> No.5812779

>>5811276
>everything was great in the good old days xD

This is what passes for historical documentation on /pol/.

>> No.5812784

>>5812193

this is actually kind of true

>> No.5812787

>>5812753
The Communist Manifesto was issued in 1848. Do you have any idea what the average conditions of a working class family was in Britain at that time? Families had to send their children to work in mines to afford to eat as soon as they could work. The abolition of that form of "family" was entirely desirable.

>> No.5812798

>>5812787
Yeah so the kids could live in a commieblock and do the exact same work under the exact same conditions, but for the state rather than their family

great alternative man

>> No.5812805

>>5812772
i'm not the person you're responding to.

have you ever heard zizek tell his joke "my fiancee is never late. as soon as she is late, she is not my fiancee!"

being christian, in an objective sense, requires a person to literally follow in the way of christ, a person who said blessed are the poor, woe to the rich, commanded a young rich man to give away his material possessions and follow him, that you can serve God or serve mammon. so when a self-described christian does not give his or her wealth up to the poor, you can be sure you're not dealing with a christian.

>corporate greed

no need for an adjective, crony capitalism, corporate capitalism, mom and pop capitalism, it's all capitalism.

>> No.5812815

>>5812787
actually the most interesting thing to happen since 1848 is that capitalism itself is abolishing the family, as in, the widespread mimicry of the bourgeois nuclear family, of dynastic succession of wealth - because working class people can't afford to live that way

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>>5812753
>implying those passages speak about the elimination of the family

Do you remember several posts back when I mentioned the nuclear family as an element of social destruction? Probably not, you seem pretty fucking dense. It is that family which deserves and requires destruction for the creation of a truly whole community again. But that sort of destruction is not the state we see today. The erosion we see is one in the opposite direction. Family and fraternity has not expanded, it has shrunk to nonexistence. Withered away by modern media. The state of capitalism is not the result of scheming "cultural Marxists" (I know, hard to believe that a made up movement has made up influence). It is the opposite.

Marx may have called for the elimination of a certain type of family (hence he doesn't say family most of the time he says "bourgeois family" a hint that maybe, just maybe, he's talking about something more specific than parent-child relations). But that is simply not the elimination of family which we see today.

>Also, we can raise an animal without it eating us because we choose and selectively breed ones with domestic attitutes, so now we have dogs, which are distinct from wolves. But you are free to raise a lion from birth and see if it doesnt eat you if you forget to feed it.
>What are lion tamers
>What are circuses
>Derp derp derp, I'm a fucking retard

>> No.5812822

Atlas Shrugged

You know I'm right

>> No.5812835

>>5812798
wtf are you even talking about? Child labor was never used in Eastern Europe under any of the state-capitalism regimes
>>5812815
Read this, you'll find it interesting:
http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic464958.files/DEmilio%20Capitalism%20and%20Gay%20Identity.pdf

>> No.5812852

>>5812348

why yes you are correct, he is very intolerant of a time when intolerance was much more widespread.

(you people are in-fucking-credible)

>> No.5812863

>>5811115
Anything on the best seller list.

>> No.5812934

>>5812274
#rekt

>> No.5813073

First world problems general?

>> No.5813136 [DELETED] 

>>5812815
>>5812817
you realize if your marxist wet dream came true and the 'bourgeois family' was abolished, you would have to leave your mother's basement and go work in a factory, correct?

>b-b-but I'm the idea man!
>I'd, like marx, I dont actually ever need to work

holy hell you are all faggots who have no idea how the world works

>> No.5813155

>>5812815
>>5812817
you realize if your marxist wet dream came true and the 'bourgeois family' was abolished, you would have to leave your mother's basement and go work in a factory, correct?

>b-b-but I'm the idea man!
>I'm like marx, I dont actually ever need to work

holy hell you are all faggots who have no idea how the world works

>> No.5813159

>>5813155
>he works for a living

What's being poor like?

>> No.5813160

>>5813136
Neither of the guys but
>all these fallacies

>> No.5813163
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5813163

>>5813155
muh precious bourgeois family, wats happened to you ;____;

>> No.5813164

>>5812852
Yet you come here. Guess what, unless you leave 4chan for good, you will eventually become just like us.

>> No.5813170

>>5813136
Not everyone did work in factories, there is other jobs under state socialism. Also whats the problem with working in a factory?

>> No.5813172

>>5813163
How are families bourgeois any more than the wheel is?

>> No.5813174

>>5813170
>Also whats the problem with working in a factory?
cant post on 4chan at 2 in the afternoon :(

>> No.5813181

>>5813174
You're actually hurting your case here, son.

>> No.5813193

>>5813181
how so? I'm thankful I have free time, all these people complaining about not living in marxist society dont realize they would be doing manual labor 90% of the time, they wouldnt have time to sit around and argue about stupid shit.

Marx never had a job in his entire life. He was supported by Engels, thats why he had enough time to sit around and come up with all this inane shit thats caused the deaths of nearly a billion people

>> No.5813201

>>5813193
sorry not a billion, a bit of an over exaggeration.

94 million is still quite a bit though

>> No.5813205

>>5813155

>stable and productive work, shorter days and higher pay

Jesus Christ, how horrifying.

Kill yourself you dense shit.

>> No.5813210

>>5813193
I'm not a Marxist, in fact I'm right-wing, but I don't think people worked 90% of the day in the USSR, except in labor camps. In fact, a major problem the USSR had was that they had provide work to everyone and there wasn't enough work to go around, so they had to make up bullshit jobs.

But anyway, it would be better for many people on posting on 4chan to be working instead, no matter how you figure it. A lot of them are recluses, internet junkies, and aspies, and you can't fix that with liberal mollycoddling.

>> No.5813214

>>5813193
If it wasn't for anarchists and communists the western world wouldn't of gained the 8 hour work day, it was them who fought for it. If it wasn't for them the majority of people would be doing labour 90% of the time.

>> No.5813221

>>5813210
yeah, I like your views based on what I've seen you post around here.

I'm just saying almost always its college kids from bourgeoisie background who always flock to Marxism for whatever reason, and dont actually take the time to read it's tenets (like the poster I was arguing with earlier) and instead rely upon some half-baked idea that it's "equality maaan!"

>> No.5813229

>>5813193
>this troll will get em going for sure this time!

>> No.5813237

>>5813210
Yeah, life wasn't complete misery for most people in the ussr

>> No.5813249

>>5813221
'Bourgeois' doesn't even mean anything anymore. Marx applied it to mean those who own the means of production, now the left just uses it to mean anything that doesn't conform to their neurotic value system.

Communists who haven't read Marx meme him for the same reason reactionaries who haven't read Evola meme him, it lends some sort of intellectual veneer to otherwise unsophisticated political beliefs. It's not so much about the arguments either of them made, it's about making one's beliefs 'valid', as in not stupid stoner neckbeard politics.

>> No.5813252

>>5813163
BWAH!

>> No.5813255

>>5813237
I never said it wasn't. That doesn't mean they had hardly any free time. In fact, serfs in the middle ages had quite a bit of free time, but that doesn't mean they had a better quality of life than contemporary workers in a capitalist society.

>> No.5813270

>>5813255
But people are much more medicated now

>> No.5813279

>>5813270
Yeah, hence the life expectancy.