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Anonymous Sat Nov 22 18:39:47 2014 No.5761839 [Reply] [Original]

Is it just me or does anyone else think that Greek Philosophy crippled western intellectual thought for over 2 millennia?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 18:41:26 2014 No.5761846 I think it's just you

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 18:41:35 2014 No.5761848 >>5761839 its just you

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 18:42:41 2014 No.5761852 >>5761839 so op, what texts have you read that pertain to greek philosophy? wikipedia articles don't count.

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Sat Nov 22 18:43:21 2014 No.5761856 Yes, inventing term logic definitely crippled Western thought, set us back to ogooboogoo bloo bloo I also think their inventing deductive reasoning crippled mathematics.

>>	Lucian !SDj8IFD6gY Sat Nov 22 18:43:40 2014 No.5761857 >>5761839 Agreed 100%, we still haven't recovered from 'theory'.

>>	Tallis !!y+12CeFwYOo Sat Nov 22 18:45:33 2014 No.5761866 File: 817 KB, 1009x1600, nietzsche-1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5761839 >i agree

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 18:47:33 2014 No.5761880 >>5761839 the sophists were on the right track but then the moralfags came along

>>	Lucian !SDj8IFD6gY Sat Nov 22 18:49:55 2014 No.5761890 >>5761880 The poets were on the right track until the rhetoricfags came along.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 18:51:35 2014 No.5761897 >>5761839 Just you. They brought us from the depths of Oriental mysticism.

Anonymous Sat Nov 22 18:52:19 2014 No.5761901

>>5761839
It's just you. Before the enlightenment is true that most philosophy (including natural philosophy) meant interpreting the works of Plato and Aristotle, thus impeding new thought. However, this isn't due to Plato or Aristotle themselves but the intellectual tradition of the time, which stressed the truth of the classics, whose correctness was presumably undeniable because it stood the test of time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 18:54:15 2014 No.5761911 >>5761866 Nietzsche's ethics are basically a reworking of Aristotle's.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 18:56:09 2014 No.5761920 >>5761880 You mean the shills that made a killing because Athenians had a mess of a democracy? I know the sophists get a bad rap, but let's not pretend that they were more than LSAT tutors as a whole.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 19:12:18 2014 No.5761982 >>5761901 >whose correctness was presumably undeniable because it stood the test of time. justifiably, the enlightenment was a huge mistake (the scots were aight though).

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 19:21:09 2014 No.5762012 There is a lot of pretentious dumb faggots in /lit/ but I'd say you are the only one to take it to such an extent So yeah, it's probably just you

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 19:25:14 2014 No.5762029 >>5761839 >doesn't explain why he feels that way yeah, nah, yer a qunt

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 19:32:59 2014 No.5762055 It's just you. I like the Stoics more than Aristotle, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 19:34:25 2014 No.5762059 >>5761839 It's just you, ya fruitcake homotard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 19:35:52 2014 No.5762062 that is exactly what Nietzsche said, that everyone after and including Socrates was a fuck-up

>>	Lucian !SDj8IFD6gY Sat Nov 22 19:36:05 2014 No.5762064 >>5762012 >>5762029 >>5762059 Either one mad person is samefagging or there are a lot of mad people on /lit/ today.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 19:36:38 2014 No.5762068 >>5761839 Do you have the original picture?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 19:44:14 2014 No.5762097 >>5762062 no, he didn't.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 19:45:19 2014 No.5762099 >>5762064 there's, like, five people that post here

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 19:45:46 2014 No.5762104 >>5762097 he shat on lots of Greek Philosophy in the Birth of Tragedy, his first work he shat on Socrates in Twilight of the Idols, one of his last works get fucked

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 19:46:16 2014 No.5762106 >>5762097 Not that guy but he basically did say that in Beyond Good And Evil. Th'more y'kno

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 19:48:05 2014 No.5762108 File: 483 KB, 1156x1228, Kurt-Gödel.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5762068

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 20:06:55 2014 No.5762162 File: 878 KB, 1156x1228, chalk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 20:07:16 2014 No.5762165 >>5761839 Agreed, this is why China is surpassing us.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 20:08:48 2014 No.5762169 >>5762165 China is surpassing you because they've adopted Western reason and logic. Finally.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 20:31:31 2014 No.5762251 File: 874 KB, 1156x1228, tree.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5762162

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 20:35:08 2014 No.5762264 >>5762251 Why write the 0 at the end when you're putting ~ anyway?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 20:35:43 2014 No.5762270 >>5762264 sig figs

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 20:36:48 2014 No.5762274 >>5762270 I always sucked at those.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 20:37:52 2014 No.5762279 >>5762270 2 sigs round to 3.51. i guess that's the meme?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 20:41:46 2014 No.5762293 If any of these le epic bazinga STEM fags who believe in the "Dead hand of Aristotle" had been alive in ancient greece they would have been a bumblefuck-retard fucking sheep in the feild and burning half their crops to appease the spirits.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 20:42:39 2014 No.5762296 Greek philosophy is the fucking basis of western thought, retard

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 20:44:15 2014 No.5762304 >>5762293 Lol, there's definitely something about outrageous opinions where the perpetrators doesn't seek to dig in the problematics they open up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 20:46:17 2014 No.5762308 Yep. Rorty cleared them out, finally.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 20:55:09 2014 No.5762343 >>5761901 Aristotle was not read until the islamic golden age. He was not read in the west until Aquinas. The recovery of his work is precisely what sparked enlightenment.

Anonymous Sat Nov 22 21:10:41 2014 No.5762381

>>5761839
I'm with you OP, partially. It was everyone's favorite athenian gay couple that did it. The presocratics were on point with some things, and tried making sense of the world around them. What happened then?
>IT'S ALL ABOUT ETHICS GUYS
>MUH FORMS

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 21:20:53 2014 No.5762409 >>5762343 Too bad he's not as good as the stoics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 21:21:36 2014 No.5762410 No, Abrahamic religions did that. When Asia overtakes the west, it will because they have adopted western culture without Christian pseudo-morality.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 21:24:46 2014 No.5762420 >>5762343 While true in some sense, Aquinas died in 1274. Would you put "enlightenment" that far back?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 21:26:29 2014 No.5762425 >>5762308 Which is why it dragged us into the dark ages until Christianity was able pull us out of it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 21:30:14 2014 No.5762432 >>5762425 That's a highly creative understanding of history you have there. Is it from some fantasy novel you read?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 21:44:04 2014 No.5762473 >>5761897 funny you say that since pretty much all the Greeks visited Egypt to learn, especially the Pre-Socratics

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 21:53:37 2014 No.5762507 >>5762473 >especially the Pre-Socratics >especially the people who don't matter Exactly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 21:56:42 2014 No.5762518 File: 658 KB, 1156x1228, exploitable.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 22:05:33 2014 No.5762541 logic is to philosophy as science is to alchemy and astronomy is to astrology.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 22:06:38 2014 No.5762545 >>5762343 what the fug did i just read :DDD

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 22:14:19 2014 No.5762559 >>5762251 I don't get the joke. Is this supposed to be wrong?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 22:15:29 2014 No.5762561 >>5762559 It's the " 'bout tree-fitty" joke.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 22:15:37 2014 No.5762562 >>5762541 quit the crack nigger

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 22:17:32 2014 No.5762566 >>5762541 Yes, we know philosophy is an utter failure of a subject.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 22 23:29:37 2014 No.5762835 >>5762541 >implying alchemy isn't legitimate

Anonymous Sat Nov 22 23:50:22 2014 No.5762905

Heidegger partly agrees with you.

That Nazi fuck thinks that Plato got it all wrong with his forms and that focus on essence drove ontology. Until Heidegger.

But Heidegger also saw a lot of value in the Greeks, especially Aristotle.

My personal theory is that Heidegger was working on translating Aristotle and that project turned into Being and Time. But that's neither here nor there.

Anonymous Sun Nov 23 00:07:54 2014 No.5762954

>>5762905
It really is interesting to read Aristotle alongside Heidegger. Heidegger apes his style in a very conscientious way. I can imagine he thought of himself as an Aristotle type figure, at least before his full on sage mode in his later writings. I'm pretty sure Heidi did a lot of his early academic work on Aristotle.

I'm gonna side with Derrida on this metanarrative of "reformulating/staring philosophy anew." The point isn't to throw away the past 2000 years of philosophical inquiry but to read that inquiry in new ways. Any attempts to depart from the discourse and begin anew has the effect of being (again aping Derrida) a rupture and redoubling.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 23 00:27:24 2014 No.5763035 >>5762566 Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 23 00:51:31 2014 No.5763109 >>5761839 >>>/out/

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 23 01:33:19 2014 No.5763269 >>5763109 I think you meant >>>/sci/

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 23 01:35:48 2014 No.5763275 >>5761839 Crippled compared to what?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 23 01:38:33 2014 No.5763283 >>5762343 Christians had translated his work hundreds of years before the enlightenment, and of course Byzantium never stopped reading him. What are you even talking about.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 23 01:38:49 2014 No.5763284 File: 3.28 MB, 1156x1228, el god.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 23 01:41:38 2014 No.5763300 >>5763275 The progress true rigorous mathematics has given us in the late 19th, 20th, and 21st centuries which then fueled science and engineering.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 23 01:45:19 2014 No.5763313 >>5762343 People read Aristotle and had mad respect for him. It wasn't like he was totally unknown in medieval Europe. It's that there were significant parts of his corpus that Europe didn't really have any access to.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 23 01:46:32 2014 No.5763318 >>5763300 So I guess their mistake was not being white European males? >mfw Greece btfo, white European male civilization will never be equalled

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 23 01:49:03 2014 No.5763327 File: 3.17 MB, 1156x1228, 2355346.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5763284 Neo-functionalists BTFO

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 23 01:51:47 2014 No.5763340 >>5763300 which was fueled in turn by the rediscovery of the classics in the 1500-1600's, the renaissance, and the works of Bacon, esp. the New Organon? Or Descarte....or Newton, etc, etc

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 23 01:53:07 2014 No.5763347 >>5763300 >>5763340 Reminder that the Copernican Revolution might have been delayed immeasurably if it hadn't been for the Renaissance belief in the occult and magic

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 23 02:02:23 2014 No.5763374 >>5763300 LOOOL

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 23 02:51:04 2014 No.5763503 File: 900 KB, 1156x1228, al.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5763327

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