Marxist Theory General

[Anonymous No.5731289]

>tell people I'm a materialist
>they think I mean materialistic

[Anonymous No.5731296]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq2tWM_kssY

[Anonymous No.5731299]

>discussing Marxism with anyone
>ever
bad idea

[Anonymous No.5731314]

>someone says materialistic
>means consumeristic and/or superficial

[Anonymous No.5731320]

>check out marxist club at university
>pictures of Stalin and Mao on their posters
>USSR propaganda
>handing out bullshit revisionist history books

Like, how the fuck do these kind of people exist?

[Anonymous No.5731328]

>>5731320
They're just edgelords, my friend.

[Anonymous No.5731341]

>>5731289
>thinking there's a difference between the two in the end
>already fallen into the trap

[Anonymous No.5731348]

>>5731320
same way neonazis are a thing

[Anonymous No.5731365]

>>5731299
I made this mistake the other night. I was recommended a get rich quick self-help book.

[Anonymous No.5731383]

>>5731365
interesting way to describe the Manifesto...

[Anonymous No.5731418]

>>5731289
>tell people I'm a materialist
>they claim I'm being idealist

brainwashing is sad

[Anonymous No.5731423]

>>5731418
Top lel

[Anonymous No.5731425]

>tell people I'm an monotheistic-capitalistic-anarcho-idealist
>they assume I mean Christian

[Anonymous No.5731429]

>>5731425
>tell people I'm a selfish asshole with no grasp on reality
>they assume I mean Libertarian

[Anonymous No.5731433]

>>5731429
>tell people I'm a liberal
>they assume I mean communist

[Anonymous No.5731439]

>tell people I'm a solipsist
>they think I mean they disappear when I turn away

[Anonymous No.5731449]

>>5731320
As a leftie, I've grown to despise leftists because of how they act and shit.

[Anonymous No.5731459]

>be marxist
>cant grow a beard

Sure sign I'm a revisionist.

[Anonymous No.5731475]

>tell people I'm a traditionalist
>they assume I hate brown people

[Anonymous No.5731482]

>tell people I'm a Marxist
>they think I'm a Stalinist

[Anonymous No.5731499]

>tell people I'm an analytical marxist
>hated by everyone except philsophy students
>hated by everyone that matters

[Anonymous No.5731502]

>>5731289
What's the difference?

One you believe in hard science/no gods/no morals
The other you value hedonistic things, not caring about right or wrong or bad and good

Essentially the same thing, or at least one follows the other.

[Anonymous No.5731504]

>>5731289

>tell people I'm a naive, sheltered teenager who doesn't understand voluntary exchange, social interaction, or human nature, listens to edgy hardcore bands, and makes homemade firecracker bombs in bouts of shitposting on /pol/
>they assume I mean anarchist

[Anonymous No.5731508]

>>5731449
Welcome to the club.
I know a lot of leftists and think they are right most of the time but they are so unbearably obnoxious that they make me want to defend the other side, every single time without fail. In fact they're the reason the left never wins.

[Anonymous No.5731509]

>tell people identity politics is a load of shit
>they label me as "the guy who hates labels"

[Anonymous No.5731518]

>>5731504

[Anonymous No.5731519]

>>5731508
Oh god, this one gets me.

>capitalism enables false consciousness
>I dont think thats true, captilism is freedom
>thanks for proving my point.

It's like they never grow out of cheap rhetorical tricks from being 14.

[Anonymous No.5731530]

>>5731504
>human nature
What a load of bullshit.

[Anonymous No.5731536]

>tell people I enjoy ice cream
>they assume my parents owned an ice cream shop when I was a child and often let me try out new flavors and even, on occasion, come up with my own, which my parents would put alongside all the other staple-flavors.

[Anonymous No.5731545]

>tell people I hate it when politicians discuss social issues and that they're just distractions and not really the government's concern anyway
>they label me a conservative simply because I don't want to talk about how oppressed guys who cut their dicks off are

[Anonymous No.5731547]

>>5731320
>Stalin and Mao
>revisionist

What the fuck am I reading

[Anonymous No.5731553]

>>5731547
ppl on /lit/ don't actually read books they just pretend to read books, sort of like wiggers of reading or someshit

[Anonymous No.5731558]

>tell people I'm a liberal
>they assume I mean the non-classical faggot variety who whines about how fast food workers should get 60 bucks an hour and guns are scary

Life is pain

[Anonymous No.5731559]

>tell people I'm a patrician
>they assume I mean aristocrat

[Anonymous No.5731568]

>>5731519
>Why are you spending most of your time and energy on fighting sexism and racism when we should be working on economic issues
>Of course you would say that, you're white
>You wouldn't understand, you've never lived without privilege
>etc

The left is fucking dead.

[Anonymous No.5731570]

>>5731545
>and that they're just distractions and not really the government's concern anyway
don't waste your time
you are right but even if you could somehow prove this it wouldn't do you any good.
if you find someone who already thinks this then confirm to him that he's not being retarded and then move on.
there's no winning against a mob

[Anonymous No.5731572]

>tell STEM students I'm a Marxist
>they laugh at my unfalsifiable dogma

>tell economics students I'm a Marxist
>they laugh at my labour theory of value and severely outdated methods and terminology

[Anonymous No.5731579]

>>5731570

Populism fucking sucks man

We don't need Bernie Sanders, we need Caesar

[Anonymous No.5731588]

>>5731572
>tell people I majored in business
>they ask for their spare change back

[Anonymous No.5731595]

>>5731568
But fighting sexism and racism ARE very important battles to be had. Just tell them that these issues occur because of the material conditions of capitalism and preceding economic systems and the only sure way to defeat them is through scientific socialism, since liberalism only-- okay that's probably a bit too much but you can find an easy way to explain that reformism just continues capitalism and try and find the real revolutionaries amongst them.

[Anonymous No.5731596]

>>5731588
>tfw business major and also a Marxist

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>>5731341
>Thinks there isn't a difference.
Yo, home-school.

>>5731530
>Tell people I'm an egoist
>They assume I mean egotist
HA just kidding. I never need to tell anyone.

[Anonymous No.5731607]

>>5731595
They are very important, but if you only fight them within the realm of capitalism, oppression will continue to manifest itself in other ways, no matter how hard you reform civil law, and try to legislate ethics. They need to be part of the greater struggle against capitalism, not separate.

[Anonymous No.5731613]

>>5731572
>Implying STEM students could tell you what Marxism is
i'm an engineering major at what is ostensibly one of the best engineering schools in the country. these people are all fucking retards if you're not talking about their specific major or how important net neutrality is

[Anonymous No.5731617]

>>5731579
Don't be crazy. What we need are cadres that can enact some kind of strategy to reawaken the West from the post-USSR/post-Communist China anti-communist nightmare. Aren't the conditions right, with the still lingering effects of the 2008 depression, the militarization of society, and the World War Against the Middle-East?

[Anonymous No.5731621]

>>5731595
The natural extension of feminism is communism

[Anonymous No.5731631]

>>5731607
marxism is just secular judeo-christian morality; nothing more lame than a marxist who goes on about being athiest and how stupid religion is not realizing their whole system is just "scientific christianity"

[Anonymous No.5731640]

>>5731572
>>5731613
>be a STEM student
>be a Marxist
>"MARXISM WORKS IN THEORY BUT CAN NEVER WORK IRL BC PEOPLE ARE GREEDY"
if I had a nickel every time I've casually mentioned a Marxist term and heard that from peers I'd be oppressing the fuck out of third world brownies

[Anonymous No.5731647]

>>5731607
Right, that's what I was trying to say. The left isn't really dead, it's just sleeping in the white noise of our current liberalism. If anything there's a strong current of Leftism that's been simmering under the surface, it's just anti-communism is so strong and past Leftism has been pushed so far away from memory that the vocabulary is lost.

[Anonymous No.5731648]

>>5731631

This is why we all need to be Hegelians. Radical politics of the world spirit advancing through the ages as the process of the holy spirit in history leading to the end stage of the universe and the final judgement. Eschatology as a way of life and politics

[Anonymous No.5731649]

>>5731640
Probably engineers.

I think there's a vast discrepancy between certain areas of STEM. Math and Physics students are more receptive to philosophy than Engineers and Comp Sci students, at least in my experience.

[Anonymous No.5731653]

>>5731607
the american economy is hot again, you dudes missed your chance, worst economic crisis of a generation and all you got out of it was a black president...capitalism is not an "identity" that can be affirmative-actioned out of existence...

[Anonymous No.5731655]

>>5731621
You have that backwards, but the natural conclusion of real feminism is communism, yes.

[Anonymous No.5731661]

>>5731640
>"MARXISM WORKS IN THEORY BUT CAN NEVER WORK IRL BC PEOPLE ARE GREEDY"
lol

>>5731649
Yeah I think you're right. Engineers and comp sci kids also have an inflated sense of their own intelligence. Comp sci kids especially have a unique Silicon Valley messianic elitism

[Anonymous No.5731667]

>>5731640
>>5731649
>>5731661
At the same time, we were all once Pavlovian dogs in the same way. It's amazing how easy it is to stick an uncritical thought-terminating response into a person.

[Anonymous No.5731687]

>>5731667
I'm quite sure that response is institutional. I remember that exact idea being generated in high school Government class textbooks, if they even mentioned Marxism at all.

It's not just a way to refuse an alternate to Capitalism, but it is a way to acknowledge the most general and shallow parts of Marxism as correct to better defuse any interest in it. Even better, if you hold the student's hand and draw them to that conclusion, they feel they've conquered the entire ideology in this way.

p frustrating.

[Anonymous No.5731699]

>>5731687
i only finally realized how horrible marxism is once i realized the moral slave revolt that brought christianity to europe is a prequel to communism, 1000 years dark ages, no thanks

[Anonymous No.5731701]

>>5731649
>Math and Physics students are more receptive to philosophy
that's because that stuff is philosophy

[Anonymous No.5731706]

>>5731661
>>5731640
>>5731613
are you me?

[Anonymous No.5731711]

>>5731706
i'm the first and last posts you quoted, but no

where you going to school?

[Anonymous No.5731714]

>>5731701
Physics is not philosophy. Take a look at some undergraduate physics material.

[Anonymous No.5731715]

>>5731289
> Tell Donald Trump I'm a Marxist.
> Anon, you are my nigga.

[Anonymous No.5731722]

>>5731711
in a third world country.

[Anonymous No.5731730]

>>5731722
oh when u said best engineering school in the country i thought you meant america but if that was the case you would have said best engineering school in the world

[Anonymous No.5731739]

>>5731730
This is getting confusing.

>>5731661
>>5731613
>>5731711
are all me, and I do go to school in America. I suppose it is one of the best in the world

[Anonymous No.5731744]

>>5731715

[Anonymous No.5731880]

>>5731595

>But fighting sexism and racism ARE very important battles to be had

[citation needed]

I agree that people shouldn't be able to lynch blacks or force women to stay in the kitchen but if you honestly think people making rape jokes or saying "nigger" are pressing issues that demands legislative attention you have a very skewed sense of priorities, and a frighteningly authoritarian outlook on what the government should be involved in

[Anonymous No.5731889]

>>5731595
Racism and sexism precede capitalism and class struggle and should be tackled separately.

New Left, Neo-Marxism, etc

[Anonymous No.5731916]

>>5731880
liberals, pls go

>>5731889
>Racism and sexism precede capitalism
Sure.
>and class struggle
Impossible.
>and should be tackled separately.
Doesn't follow even if true.

[Anonymous No.5731935]

>>5731916

>liberals, pls go

How is saying women's and minority's feels should take a back seat to real political issues liberal? Distracting social issues are practically all the left talk about these days.

[Anonymous No.5731960]

>>5731289

>tell people I have recurring fantasies about starting a commune for enlightened patricians such as myself and then defending it against waves of statist pigs with my arsenal of terribly outdated slav guns
>they assume I mean anarcho-captialist

[Anonymous No.5732833]

Why does everyone thing that naziism and bolshevism/communism is so different? They're both branches of socialism, in general we can say that nazism is closed socialism while bolshevism is international socialism.

Why is it okey to proclaim you're a communist and not a national socialist when all the communist attempts have killed and caused more evil suffering than nazism?

[Anonymous No.5732838]

>>5731935
>How is saying women's and minority's feels should take a back seat to real political issues liberal?
liberal is the go-to buzzword for confused americans.

[Anonymous No.5732844]

>I am a marxist

*tips budenovka*

Why follow something that has been consistently debunked by all schools of economics?

[Anonymous No.5732855]

>tell people i'm not a marxist
>they assume i'm a Republican

fuck my university

[Anonymous No.5732863]

>tell people I am interested in psychoanalytic theory
>they think I actually believe that everyone just wants to fuck their mother

[Anonymous No.5732864]

>>5731880
Those are important conflicts exacly because you think that they aren't.

19th century dictators did not believe that improving the living conditions of factory workers was an important issue

[Anonymous No.5732868]

>>5732833
> all the communist attempts have killed and caused more evil suffering than nazism?
ayy lmao

[Anonymous No.5732869]

>>5732844
El protip: 'economics' isn't a science. Might as well ask astrologists of their opinion on marxism.

[Anonymous No.5732876]

>>5732869
But Marxism is somehow "scientific" ? Do you lefties even realize how dumb you sound?

[Anonymous No.5732879]

>>5732844
Marxism isn't even an economic theory/school of thought.

[Anonymous No.5732880]

>>5732869
this image is relevant for you >>5732833
Maybe you should read up on some friedrich hayek and mises before making stupid sweeping statements

[Anonymous No.5732888]

>>5732876
>But Marxism is somehow "scientific" ?
I never said that, also I'm not a leftist.

>Maybe you should read up on some friedrich hayek and mises before making stupid sweeping statements
Consider for a moment that I did exactly that before speaking the truth about your scams.

[Anonymous No.5732889]

>>5732876
Marxist theory of political economy is scientific in its nature due to its reliance of empirical data processed with scientific methodology.

If you want to criticize Marx or Marxism, even have the decency to read the basic works by him.

[Anonymous No.5732897]

>>5732879
>>5732889
nice contradiction, commies.

[Anonymous No.5732901]

>>5732897
Nice lack of knowledge, retard.

[Anonymous No.5732909]

>>5731289
>tell people im an anarchist
>just kidding of course I dont. I am one but what would be the point?

[Anonymous No.5732910]

>>5732897
Political economy =! Economics

[Anonymous No.5732917]

>>5732910
>>5732889
>>5732879
This is beyond fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.5732921]

>>5732844
>economics

[Anonymous No.5732927]

>>5732864
Refer to this:
>>5731519
>why are you all eating shit?
>UGH. THE REASON WE'RE EATING SHIT IS BECAUSE YOU THINK EATING SHIT IS BAD. REMEMBER, SOME GUY BACK THEN DIDN'T CARE ABOUT EATING SHIT.

[Anonymous No.5732936]

>>5732917
>here come the /pol/ .jpgs

[Anonymous No.5732948]

>>5732927
I for one find the rift and conflict between Marxists concerned with social policy (usually solely, too) and young hardline Marxists who believe that everything except directly enforced economic change is capitalist humbug somewhat distasteful and damaging. Go synthesize.

[Anonymous No.5732965]

>>5732844
Literally all decent critics of marxism come from non economic sources.

The austrian school is especially bad at critiquing Marxism, mises essentially asserts that socialism is state ownership and only state ownership.

When critiqueing the value theory, they constantly conflate value and price. This is shit that is covered in the first chapter of capital, and they can't be bothered to actually read it.

[Anonymous No.5732970]

>>5732889
>Marxist theory of political economy is scientific in its nature due to its reliance of empirical data processed with scientific methodology.

Lol, what a crock of shit. First of all, marxism was formulated BEFORE any attempts at socialism, so it is not based on any "empirical data" whatsoever. It is the inane ramblings of a single guy.

Also, every subsequent attempt at implementing marxism and collectivization has ended in catastrophic failure with millions of people dying of starvation. Meanwhile capitalist systems have produced the richest countries in the world and the highest standards of living in history.

How's that for "empirical data"!

[Anonymous No.5732971]

>>5732965
The way to critique the labor theory of value is to simply point out its
1. unfalsifiable, or close to it.
2. draws sweeping conclusions which may be outside what the labor theory of value does actually explain.

The reasons the austrian school doesn't critique that, is because the austrian school would have to except its own critisms.

[Anonymous No.5732975]

>>5732948
Guess whose fault it is that the conflict even exists? The reply is already in the thread.
Granted, the left apparently loves bickering with itself since its very conception.

[Anonymous No.5732976]

>>5732970
>he doesn't know marx wrote mostly about capitalism and history
>literally has to read the title of his main work to firgure that out
>mfw /pol/tards don't know how to read the word "capital"

[Anonymous No.5732991]

>>5732970
> marxism was formulated BEFORE any attempts at socialism
Marxism is a worldview and method of societal analysis that focuses on class relations and societal conflict, that uses a materialist interpretation of historical development, and a dialectical view of social transformation. Marxist methodology uses economic and sociopolitical inquiry and applies that to the critique and analysis of the development of capitalism and the role of class struggle in systemic economic change.

[Anonymous No.5732994]

>>5732976
>strawmanning this hard.
You should read the sticky on /pol/

[Anonymous No.5732997]

>>5732991
Okay.

How does that refute my post?

[Anonymous No.5732998]

>>5732994
pls go back there

[Anonymous No.5733003]

>>5732998
only if you come with me :)

[Anonymous No.5733004]

>>5732994
lenin called his system state captilism btw buddy

Not even a marxist, but once again poltard doesn't know how to read basic titles

[Anonymous No.5733008]

>>5733003
I spent a few weeks there once. I still shutter about the depravity of those people.

[Anonymous No.5733017]

>>5733008
>I still shutter about the depravity of those people.
Perhaps you are being blind :) ?

>>5733004
And? How does that change anything?

[Anonymous No.5733020]

>>5733017
>Perhaps you are being blind :) ?

To what? The illuminati?

They kept using the word 'Cultural Marxism' without any basic grasp on what they were talking about.

[Anonymous No.5733026]

>>5732997
Marxism doesn't equal to creation of a socialist/communist state. Its not a political ideology. It is a philosophical school, a method of analysing society.

[Anonymous No.5733028]

>>5733020
It was a pun on the word shutter.

[Anonymous No.5733031]

>>5733017
You cited the USSR as an example of marxism, I gave you an example that USSR can be described as a deviation fo such.

Marxism claimed that socialism wouldn't be possible in a pre captilistic society. So did the people who "created" the soviet union. If they were implementing marxism, then how could they be socialist? You've got to have one or the other m8, can't have both. Check and MATE.

I was assuming you had even the slightest grasp on marxist theory to begin with, guess I have to stop being subtle.

[Anonymous No.5733042]

>>5733017
>I still shutter
>being blind
You cheeky cunt.

[Anonymous No.5733046]

>>5733026
Lmao you guys keep contradicting yourselves. So marxism is an economic system, then it's not an economic system, then it's a political system, then it's not a political system. Make up your minds already.

>>5733031
>You cited the USSR as an example of marxism
Where did I do that?

[Anonymous No.5733056]

>>5732970
Between the lines m8. You can't claim every attempt of marxism has failed, and then ignore the russian revolution.
It's impossible

[Anonymous No.5733062]

>>5733046
>if marxism is an politcal system then what you said makes no sense
>hahaha you said it IS a political system

[Anonymous No.5733066]

>>5733062
While some other guy said it was not. Hence my confusion.

[Anonymous No.5733077]

>>5733056
You think the russian revolution was a good thing?

[Anonymous No.5733080]

>>5733046
> So marxism is an economic system
No. Nobody has said this. It is a way of analyzing political economy.
> , then it's a political system
Nobody has said this.
> then it's not a political system
Its not.

[Anonymous No.5733081]

>tell people I'm a Kropotkinist anarcho-communist
>they assume I'm some edgelord advocating random acts of violence

[Anonymous No.5733084]

>>5733077
Which of the four Russian revolutions inbetween 1905 and 1919 are we referring to?

[Anonymous No.5733085]

>>5733077
no, i was saying the russian revolution was at least a wee bit marxist. Which means either your definition of socialism is wrong, or your definition of marxism is wrong

[Anonymous No.5733087]

>tell people I like to suck cock
>they assume I'm some sort of faggot

[Anonymous No.5733097]

>>5733084
The bolshevik one

>>5733085
Not failed in the sense that they failed to gain power. Failed in the sense that they failed to provide a better alternative to capitalist societies.

[Anonymous No.5733107]

>>5733097
> The bolshevik one
It provided a better state in general than the 1905 revolution and the February revolution. It is impossible to say whether Bolsheviks provided better state than the anarchist revolution would have, had it succeeded.

I would say that Bolshevik revolution increased to quality of living in Russia on long term, albeit reduced it on short term due to civil war hijinks.

[Anonymous No.5733112]

>>5733097
and given that marxism stated that you can't bring about socialism from a pre captilistic society you're either misreading marxism or misreading socialism.


Also, bit off topic, but Im not sure the russian revolution can be dismissed willy nilly in regards to "progress".

Life expectancy rose, and russia, despite being a feudal country with one trainline became a superpower within 15 years or so years.

Not saying it was good or even worth it given the abuses that went on there, just that it's not all that black and white. To put an example, Hitlers decision to refuse to pay back the reparations for WW1, helped the german economy to some degree, even if you agree the quazi keynesian policies did more harm.

[Anonymous No.5733119]

>>5733112
and you know the hollocaust thing

[Anonymous No.5733121]

>>5733081
say he's the santa claus of political theory
>yfw it fits too well

[Anonymous No.5733134]

>>5733107
>I would say that Bolshevik revolution increased to quality of living in Russia on long term, albeit reduced it on short term due to civil war hijinks
Imperial Russia would have eventually industrialized. It would have done so more slowly, but more organically.

>>5733112
Soviet Russia was a giant with clay feet. It industralized quickly, but at an atrocious human cost.

[Anonymous No.5733138]

>>5733134
i said that, but also life expentacy rose.

If you were to put it all into a calculator, they were much better off, just with no agency witch doesnt justify it

[Anonymous No.5733143]

>>5731547
They are revisionist, just because they yell out "revisionist" the most doesn't mean they own the use of the term to describe different ideologies. They just hijacked it. The term revisionist originally referred to social democrat who betrayed socialism. Stalinists betrayed socialism, and their totalitarian states have reformist "planning" which mirrors the idea of social democracy. except the planned economy only ends up benefiting the bureaucratic elite

[Anonymous No.5733146]

>>5733138
>i said that, but also life expentacy rose.
Life expectancy rose all over the world. It had nothing to do with soviet policies.

[Anonymous No.5733151]

>>5733143
Also Stalinist states historically had right-wing values and oppressive social systems in place.

They were not socially progressive.

[Anonymous No.5733159]

>>5733134
> Imperial Russia would have eventually industrialized.
Yet the imperial Russia had already been lost in February revolution, and nobody knows the long term prospects of Provisional Government. Judging based on its agrarianism, factionalism and relative strength of military, I believe that it could have had a trajectory similar to Nationalist China which partly industrialized in 30s without the human cost, but lost its merits soon in foreign invasion.

[Anonymous No.5733186]

>Marxism is not a philosophy. The central thread of Marxism is historical materialism, which is a dialectic method of both historical and contemporary analysis. What Marx understood by communism or "scientific socialism" was the application of historical materialism to the study of the struggle of the proletariat against the bourgeoisie.

>The materialist conception of history is not an ideology and does not include a political dogma; only when this method is applied to a material struggle (for example, that between proletarians and bourgeois) does it offer any theoretical direction. From this, you can see it is a critical dialectic, offering no positive content that cannot be found in the historical process being analyzed or in other processes discovered to condition the original process.

>In short, Marx did not practice any sort of positive philosophy, but critiqued the existing ideology of system-creating philosophers. Marx neither created nor attempted to create a philosophical or political system of his own, and later attempts to do this in the name of Marx must be regarded as antithetical the the critical method of Marx himself.

>I really hope this is the last time I have to post something like this.

It never is the last time.

For a general outline of historical materialism and scientific socialism:

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/index.htm

Pay special attention to the prefaces.

For a basic explanation of the economic roots of class struggle:

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/index.htm

Watch carefully how Marx establishes the theory of value and explains the modifications it undergoes in appearance under the pressures of competition.

>>5733081

Look! Look! A Galleanist! Hey, anarchist, where's your bomb? Careful not to blow off your hands, silly wrecker!

[Anonymous No.5733198]

>waahh wahh, my perfectly idealist version of Marxism that has never been TRULY tried before would totally work guys, I s-swear

What is the fucking point? There is zero reason in being idealist and arguing about what ifs because IN THE REAL WORLD it will just end up like USSR 2.0

[Anonymous No.5733202]

>>5731648
If only, if only.

[Anonymous No.5733232]

>>5733198
> wahh wass
> strawman
> whats the point
> zero reason
> in the real world
> it will just end up like
pure ideology

[Anonymous No.5733309]

>>5733232
As opposed to the totally open-minded and non-ideological point of view of marxists, amirite?

[Anonymous No.5733354]

>be fat autistic slavaboo who poses with fake Soviet uniforms and Mosin Nagants in between rounds of shitposting on a Cambodian flipbook imageboard discussion website, who pretends to have conducted exhaustive studies of socialist philosophy when in fact I have only skimmed enough of the Manifesto to get a tl;dr understanding of Marxism
>people assume I'm the average modern Marxist

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>>5733198
Royalists didn't think republics could work... They still don't. The counterrevolutionaries are still trying to push us back to their ideal government, be it monarchy, imperial, fascist, oligarchy, plutocratic or whatever.

We have moved this far away from that (to the proverbial left) and have suffered only the strains of trying to maintain our advances.
Could Marxism work?? I don't care. Can we just democratize the workplace now? Can we get private money out of politics? Can we stop crying about Stalin and the Soviets?

[Anonymous No.5733900]

>>5731314
but that's what it means

[Anonymous No.5733914]

>>5733354
>>be fat autistic slavaboo who poses with fake Soviet uniforms and Mosin Nagants in between rounds of shitposting on a Cambodian flipbook imageboard discussion website, who pretends to have conducted exhaustive studies of socialist philosophy when in fact I have only skimmed enough of the Manifesto to get a tl;dr understanding of Marxism
>>people assume I'm the average modern Marxist
they are right

[Anonymous No.5733970]

>tell people I'm marxist
>tell people I'm a materialist
>obviusly I'm a idealism
That's how i roll

[Anonymous No.5735529]

>>5733914

That's the joke you goober

[Anonymous No.5735549]

>tell people I'm gay but not a faggot
>leftists call me "internally oppressed" when I try to explain there's a difference

Life would be easier if I was straight, but not for the reasons liberals think.