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Is possible to master another language other than your own?
like becoming better than native through study?

my dream is to learn japanese.

>> No.5724802

There's nothing that prevents it from being impossible, so yeah I suppose.

>> No.5724804

Depends. Unless you were bilingual from birth it's impossible to learn a language as good as a native, especially if you start later in life. But you can definitely learn it well enough to speak it at a functional level, even a more difficult language like Japanese. It just requires lots and lots of practice.

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5724807

>>5724793
>becoming better than native

Isn't native proficiency pretty much as far as you can come?

>> No.5724810

>>5724807
most natives use a language but they're unaware of it.

>> No.5724811

>>5724793
>>/jp/

Anything is possible. Somehow I doubt you'll be able to, but it's possible.

See Conrad, Nobokov, etc.

>> No.5724819

>>5724793
>like becoming better than native through study?

no, afaik it's proven that it's not possible after the early childhood.
but you definitely can know the formal grammar better than most of natives and can learn to use the language almost as good as a native speaker (it should be excruciatingly hard for japanese though), there were even some people who became known writers in their non-native language

>> No.5724826

>>5724793
Depends which aspect of the language, and which native. For example, there are plenty of non-native English speakers with better vocabulary and ability to read and write than less well-educated native speakers. The native plebs might still be able to talk more fluently about day-to-day stuff, though.

>> No.5724838

possible? well, i guess teoretically yes, but you'd have to spend at least 15-20 years living in, not just the language, but the culture. specially if it is an entirely different language like japanese to us.

So your best chance is just to master it as a communication tool and get the western-centered vision of the language/culture.

>> No.5724843

>>5724810
That's super backwards. Languages are construed generalized versions of spoken communications as recorded.

>> No.5724853

>>5724793
>my dream is [eminently achievable thing]
Just go learn it, you giant weaboo, you. And please try to dream bigger in future.

>> No.5724858
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5724858

>he thinks he can acquire native-like proficiency in a language after already having passed the Critical Period for language learning

>> No.5724865

>>5724843
I speak spanish, but I'm not aware the verb conjugation rules that I just roll over my eyes when I see them.

So I just subconsciuslly use them.
Meanwhile I'm aware of english rules, even if I make some mistakes.

>> No.5724868

>>5724858
is there any place where I can read why is not possible?
like some research papers?

>> No.5724870

>>5724793
It would be ideal to have your two parents speak different languages to you as you grow up to truly master bilingualism. But you could still become proficient, it will just take a lot of effort. The most important thing to learning a language is to SPEAK it.

>> No.5724872

>>5724793
Yes, now fuck off and learn it you weeb.

>> No.5724876

>>5724868
There are tons.

Type in Critical Period/Age Hypothesis in Google Scholar and get reading.

>> No.5724889

>>5724858
This.

Sorry OP, but if you didn't already start learning Japanese at age 5 you're pretty much fucked and will always sound like a whitto piggu gaijin.

>> No.5724892

>>5724807
Not if they have a small vocabulary, are bad at grammar or spelling, or don't know in what context to use certain words.

To answer OP, yes, it's possible to study a language and become better at speaking it than a native speaker.

>> No.5724894

>>5724793
Yeah happened all the time with monks being educated to write so I guess being hikki is kind of like that.

>> No.5724895

>>5724876
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_period_hypothesis
I'm reading that.
but even the page doesn't imply is impossible, only that 5% of adults master a language.

Seems like is possible, but It would need a fuckton of effort.

>> No.5724899

>>5724892
so... like niggers?

>> No.5725011

くそ

>> No.5725015

possible? sure, if you make it your only goal in life and devote yourself to it for the rest of it.

warning: you might not get what youre looking for.

>> No.5725021

I find English (which is not my native) an easier tool to express my emotions but can never write properly due to the lack of vocabulary.

>tfw every book i read has tons more new words and my voca never seems to be enough

>> No.5725045

You can become fluent, certainly. You probably won't be able to achieve native level fluency unless you're naturally very skilled with languages though.

>> No.5725048

My native language isnt italian but im more fluent than a lot of italians

>> No.5725051

>>5725048
Diocca quanto suona male quella ripetizione, vabbe avete capito

>> No.5725160

>>5724793
Only one way to find out

>> No.5725207

You can certainly become better than the average native. Your brain will never be as efficient at using the language though.

>> No.5725222

>>5725207
>>5724858
>>5724807

what a load of bullcrap. English isn't even my native tongue and I know more fluent in english. If I'd spoken you you could probably tell I'm not native.

It's all about use and exposing yourself to the language

>> No.5725269

>>5725222
Your post clearly shows your fluency.

>> No.5725288

>>5725222
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