/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.572278]

So. Anyone of you actually read it and have an opinion, or you just hate it because "Not elite enough for me xD"?

[Anonymous No.572282]

People don't hate it because it's not elite enough, people hate it because it's CRAP.

[Anonymous No.572285]

>>572282
>because it's CRAP
is that your erudite informed opinion?

[Anonymous No.572290]

>>572282
Did you read it and KNOW that it's crap, or you just follow the hating crowd?

[Anonymous No.572295]

I found the message put forward distasteful.
Understand why it is so popular.

[Anonymous No.572297]

>read it
>it is crap
>after the second book she was just juicing all her fanbase
>her writing gets worse with every word.

[Anonymous No.572299]

I don't have to eat shit, to know it wouldn't taste great. This book was written by overweight woman, that should be enough.

[Anonymous No.572302]

>>572299
>Not elite enough for me xD

[Anonymous No.572306]

>>572302
If elite stands for good, then it is not elite enough for me.

[Anonymous No.572311]

I haven't red it, but I'm having my analogies and suspicions ready to be realized.

Will read the first book next weekend.

[Anonymous No.572312]

>>572306
You don't know about how good it is until you read it, but you've chosen to be a part of mindless hating crowd.

[Anonymous No.572314]

I read the first page at a library.

I already knew it was horrible.

[Anonymous No.572315]

God damn it why do people think it's impossible to hate Twilight for more than the fanbase.

Its. BAD. Okay?! Son of a bitch, the book is a travesty on literature. Whereas there's mindless fun books out there, this book actually manages to be detrimental to intellectual pursuit.

And yes I read the fucking book. I read all 4 abortions. The ONLY decent parts where in the 4th book when Jacob was the narrator and when we get introduced to vampires that are actually interesting.

[Anonymous No.572321]

>>572299
>I don't have to eat shit, to know it wouldn't taste great.
up the shut fuck, kiddo, and do never again compare a hip and urban underground pastime with that disgusting clichee-ridden tidy bourgeois girl's book

[Anonymous No.572327]

>>572315
How does it compare to Harry Potter?

[Anonymous No.572332]

>>572312
I don't hate it. I just don't have any interest in it. I have lot of books to read that actually interest me. I just don't give a fuck, if you like it - good for you.

[Anonymous No.572335]

>Anyone of you actually read it and have an opinion

I do. It sucks.

[Anonymous No.572336]

Because it's shit.

Really, it is. This isn't just a case of OMG IT'S POPULAR, THEREFORE IT SUCKS. It's just fucking bad. When your books have Mary Sues, wish fulfillment, protagonists with no personality, events that make no sense, and more misogyny than was thought possible from a woman, then your books are terrible.

Pic related if you think Twilight is legitimately good.

[Anonymous No.572340]

>>572314
same, i felt it was sufficient to judge the series and did not want to waste more life on it

[Anonymous No.572343]

>>572314
The opening paragraph is about the color of the sky and Bella's clothes.

It's pretty easy to tell that it's going to be a terrible book if all Meyer can think of as the opener is Bella's stupid fucking sweater.

[Anonymous No.572346]

>>572336
have you ever tried scat?

[Anonymous No.572349]

>>572346
Go back to /d/. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.572357]

>>572278
I read four books of it. It's wish-fullfillment taken to an extreme, targeted at young american girls primarily.

The writing is atrocious, and the story is ridiculous, but I've never felt more like an average american teenage girl. (And I'm a european man.)

[Anonymous No.572358]

>>572349
you call twilight crap without having ever tasted either?

[Loving Girlfriend !!okQV6vrs+me No.572359]

I read all four books on principle alone: I will not criticize something if I haven't read it.

Twilight was shitty, but readable. New Moon was the best of the four, if you can ignore Bella's whining. Eclipse was less shitty than Twilight, and Breaking Dawn fucking SUCKED.

My dislike of the whole thing stems from the messages it sends, the unrealistic way it depicts love, the horrid writing itself. That being said, I see how they suck you in, the same way I understand how romance novels suck in women, even if I don't have it happen. They portray this man who is willing to do everything for the woman he loves, who is devoted and who is "perfect". Bella is a hollow character that anyone can slip into and feel like. Edward is an overly-idealized man who any woman should theoretically love.

I honestly found him creepy and disturbing, and Bella a horrible self-insertive Mary Sue, but I can see how women who might not have the best relationships, if they have one, can get into it. It's pretty much relationship porn for them, because most women want a handsome, rich, caring man to fall for them and take care of them. It's escapism, even if it is fairly unhealthy.

[Anonymous No.572368]

>>572358
nigga, please

[Anonymous No.572372]

>>572357
>The writing is atrocious, and the story is ridiculous, but I've never felt more like an average american teenage girl. (And I'm a european man.)
Rejoice! Euro men do have a kink for our girls - take R.Polanski or Nabokov. Lolita was an American girl.

[Anonymous No.572373]

>>572359
My point exactly. Best part is, without the vampires and werewolves, this probably would have slipped under the radar.

Despite her inability to write something good, you have to applaud the success she's managed to drag out of this literary abortion.

[Anonymous No.572376]

>>572373
just like your parents did with you :3

[Anonymous No.572380]

>>572336
>and more misogyny than was thought possible from a woman
what misogyny? THIS IS A MAN's WORLD! The dumbfuck feminism from 1968 just doesn't world. It throws you out into the streets. Twilightesque joy over an anal pounding is the only modus operandi that is left to women short of a feminist world revolution.

[Anonymous No.572381]

Poorly written with laughably bad relationship advice for any young women who reads it.

Basicly teaches you he only hits you because he loves you.

[Loving Girlfriend !!okQV6vrs+me No.572383]

>>572373

Was it Mark Twain who said that if something is liked by many, many people, it likely wasn't very good?

[Anonymous No.572391]

>>572383
so THAT'S WHY democracy doesn't work very well!

[Anonymous No.572395]

>>572380
not who you were talking to but: http://hicsuntleones.deviantart.com/art/Twilight-Analysis-149008984.

Scroll to the bottom of the essay, it details the misogyny within Twilight.

[Anonymous No.572400]

OP is a fag. We've had loads of these shit "have you actually read it hurr durr durr" threads.

[Anonymous No.572408]

Read it, Edward was fun when he was insulting Bella. Otherwise, pretty bad. Its okay. But not high literature or even passible for popular modern novels. Dan Brown is better on all accounts even if his is a bit of fan fiction too.

[Anonymous No.572412]

>>572359
My feelings exactly. I read all four books, and describe it to men as porn for teenage girls. It's pure escapism.

I frankly don't see anything wrong with it. Porn is pretty much accepted these days, and escapism not only sells, but is kind of fun once in awhile.

Who takes these books seriously? Bodice-rippers sell by the truckload, and no one is salivating with hate over those ubiquitous things. It's pretty obvious fantasy, and that's about it.

[Anonymous No.572415]

>>572383
and how many people like mark twain? heh

joking. i think twain is one of the bigger and best influences on modern lit.

[Anonymous No.572418]

>>572412
It's the messages that these book send young girls that are the difference between these and bodice rippers.

[Loving Girlfriend !!okQV6vrs+me No.572420]

>>572412

Most people who read bodice-rippers don't go around calling themselves Mrs. Cullen or declaring that Edward will be their husband. The mentality of the Twilight fans is what makes me rage. I know a girl I went to HS with, who is married with two kids, who regularly bemoans to me that her husband is not just like Edward, doesn't drive a Volvo, and that despite working 10 hours a day in a factory job so she can be a stay-at-home mom, doesn't make enough money to buy her a car like Bella's, and that she wants to move to the Olympic Peninsula so she can be closer to "the magic".

THAT is what I take issue with.

[Anonymous No.572427]

>>572412
>Who takes these books seriously?

Lots of desperate and lonely teenage girls and bored housewives.

Try going outside once in a while.

[Anonymous No.572432]

>>572420

The bitch whines too much, methinks. Just round them up, lock them, and feed them escapism shit. God, they give women a bad name.

[Anonymous No.572449]

Not elite enough for me. If by elite you mean half-way decent. Troll.

[Anonymous No.572462]

>>572395
just why would i read an "it's racis" essay written by a deviant tartlet? even if i wanted i couldn't since your link doesn't work.
since you recommend it i'll trust you that you have read and comprehended their points. what holds you from telling them yourself? is your rhetorical skill not as good as that of a tartlet?

>>572420
is fantasy bad just because i know a neopagan racist with a kink for drizzt do urden?

[Anonymous No.572469]

at least it isn't hipster kitsch like kafka, hesse and kundera

[Anonymous No.572471]

>>572462
That doesn't make fantasy bad, but your choice in friends is another matter.

[Anonymous No.572474]

I read it. And I hated it.

But aside from the shitty writing, I hated the way the morality waved throughout the series.

Started iff with "killing humans is bad m'kay" and by the fourth book, they admit that the vamps staying at the house are killing many humans in the nearby states or whatever and nobody gives a fuck.

Everyones too busy circle jerking to the babby.

[Anonymous No.572475]

>>572427
So teenage girls and bored housewives can't tell fantasy from reality?
Sounds as valid as some anti-porn arguments.

[Anonymous No.572479]

>>572420
this is the reason i hate these books. I read them. i did not like them, though i have read worse. it is the fan base that makes these books so horrible. i read them because a girl in my English class said how good they were.

[Anonymous No.572480]

>>572449
This.

I don't need to read every book that was ever written to tell I won't like them. I don't even like vampire stories to begin with.

[Anonymous No.572485]

>>572462
>I'm too dumb to use a url.
Maybe you should try getting rid of the period at the end?

>what holds you from telling them yourself? is your rhetorical skill not as good as that of a tartlet?

I wrote it and uploaded it to deviant art. Posting a URL is preferable to copy/pasting fifteen pages of text every time some retard makes a Twilight thread.

[Anonymous No.572489]

>>572471
my choice in friends is fine. it's your reading comprehension that sucks.

[Anonymous No.572496]

my niece was really into twilight, so I tried to read it. fucking mind numbing. So, I downloaded an audio version. Figured, hell, at least it's read by a women, this might be hot. I was wrong. Just high school drama with vampires. my opinion. If you like it, then fuck everyone else, man. Life's too short to be complaining and fighting people.

[Anonymous No.572497]

>>572485
are you too busy or too retarded to summarise your raging piece of tl;dr?

[Anonymous No.572498]

>>572420
Good point. I haven't seen it taken to that extreme, although I did have a friend plunge into the escapism when she divorced her husband and got a boyfriend 20 years her junior.

I wonder if these women would have found something else, though, if Twilight hadn't come along. If you're open for insanity, it doesn't take much to tip you over.

[Anonymous No.572503]

I read it. It actually made me laugh out loud many times, it was so bad. I suppose I kind of enjoyed the experience.

[Anonymous No.572506]

>>572489
You're the one hanging out with the kid who probably thinks Wicca's real. If you know them, their religious preferences and their fetishes, you're likely friendly with them on some level.

[Anonymous No.572512]

>>572496
also, I thought there were two messages:
1) since edward was like a vegetarian vampire (didn't drink human blood) I kept thinking this was a subversive vegetarian book. Eating meat is morally wrong, it turns you into a monster blah blah. doing the right thing is more important than giving in and making bella a vampire too.
2) I think women like vampires because they take away the blood, as in menstrual cycle. They can empathize with were wolves because at one time of the month they have those uncontrollable emotions or what ever.

just throwing it out there. what do you think?

[Anonymous No.572518]

>>572497
Well, since you're a lazy sack of shit who can't use URL links properly, I guess I can burden it upon myself to copy/paste this one paragraph of my writing.

>Bella Swan is the antithesis of a modern, female role model. She is a moody, two-faced liar, whose only positive attribute is her body (more specifically, the scent of her blood), who wants absolutely nothing in life aside from her handsome, insanely rich boyfriend; she embraces the shackles of the happy homemaker at the age of eighteen, romanticizes teenage marriage and pregnancy, her entire mental stability hinges on the emotional support of her boyfriend, who without she will and previously has gone through a complete mental breakdown. Her value as a human being, her happiness, and her sanity is measured only through her complete dependency on Edward. I couldn't paint a more insulting and misogynist portrait of the female mind than Stephanie Meyer has if I tried.

If you want concrete examples and the specifics of how I came to that conclusion, you're going to have to learn how to use URLs.

[Loving Girlfriend !!okQV6vrs+me No.572520]

>>572498

Well, I actually had to stop talking to her. After a few weeks of "how horrible my life is without Edward Cullen", she starts with "don't you wish Markus was just like Edward, that sweet and loving?".

At that point I was really over it, and her insinuating I would love my boyfriend more if he were a creeper with rainbow body glitter and a Volvo SERIOUSLY put me off talking to her.

[Anonymous No.572521]

I read the first three, thought they were bad. Very bad. But they worked as fanfictions, ie, schlick material. No need to get your knickers on a twist because of that.

[Anonymous No.572525]

I can't get through the prologue and take it seriously. The only way it's acceptable is when you read it aloud with silly voices.

[Anonymous No.572527]

So, I guess people are a little put off by the twilight series because of the fans? I kinda get that. I wasn't really getting the whole LOTR series. people dressing up. not wearing shoes. didn't really grab me.

[Anonymous No.572538]

>>572462
Not the guy you're replying to. >>572336 here

-Edward's behavior is the epitome of an abusive relationship and Meyer romanticizes it. Edward is jealous, controlling, and potentially violent. Meyer doesn't portray any of this as being harmful or just bad; she makes it seem wonderful and that Edward is the perfect boyfriend.

-Bella has absolutely no aspirations for her life. All she wants to do is marry Edward and be a good wife. That's it. No job, no career, no college education; just being his wife and raising his child. It's not like this novel takes place in a more restrictive period like the 1950s where being married meant that you pretty much didn't leave the kitchen (yes, I'm thinking of The Bell Jar); this is modern-day where a married woman can have some self-sufficiency and independence. Much like Edward's abusive behavior, Meyer portrays this as a good thing.

-Bella only really accomplishes three things in a matter of four novels: graduated from high school, married Edward, and gave birth to his child. Shit, Meyer romanticizes teenage pregnancy when it's anything but.

-Bella can't even function without Edward. She has complete mental and emotional breakdown because Edward dumped her. I understand that being dumped is not fun and it makes you feel like shit, but going this far? Going to the point that Bella can't even live without Edward? That she needs him to be happy at all? That's just insulting.

[Anonymous No.572540]

>>572527
>people dressing up. not wearing shoes
wut

[Anonymous No.572541]

I've read it. It's a decently written escapist fantasy. I can find the same stuff, written slightly worse, on the internet in two seconds.

Like previous anons have said, the book itself isn't rage worthy. It's bad as lit but fine as wistful brain candy. The issue most people have with it is the stupidity of those who don't see it for what it is and actually want to be Bella.

The value of the book hinges entirely on if you can stomach the characters. There's no, "I hated Edward but I can see what Meyer was doing with him." It's much too shallow for anything like that.

[Anonymous No.572544]

I read all four books.
I dearly wished to have my time and my money back after I was finished.

[Anonymous No.572549]

>>572327
I never understood why people are constantly comparing Twilight to Harry Potter. They're completely different story-wise. The only thing they've got going for them is they both are going through/have gone through a surge in popularity and Robert Pattinson had a small role in one of the HP movies.
It's like comparing apples to oranges imo.

[Anonymous No.572553]

>>572518
>If you want concrete examples and the specifics of how I came to that conclusion, you're going to have to learn how to use URLs.
There's absolutely no need to do it seeing how much of a retard you are by your text. Enjoy you virgin christian-feminist vagina, prudish mormon bitch.

>Bella Swan is the antithesis of a modern, female role model.
read up on dialectics, stupid whore. the modern female role model does have obvious flaws which have to be negated by people like stephanie meyer.
>She is a moody, two-faced liar,
well, well, well, so your liberated modern woman should stick to medievalish christian virtues? when is your 13th birthday, bitch? wait till it strucks and get back here. your idiocy is pathetic.
>whose only positive attribute is her body (more specifically, the scent of her blood), who wants absolutely nothing in life aside from her handsome, insanely rich boyfriend;
as opposed to what? what are you, bitch, doing in life? seeing that you're here I somehow doubt you're doing engineering to sustain yourself, you fucking hypocrite.
>she embraces the shackles of the happy homemaker at the age of eighteen, romanticizes teenage marriage and pregnancy,
and what do you suggest instead, prudish communsit-wannabe bitch? what's wrong about marriage and
pregnancy?
>her entire mental stability hinges on the emotional support of her boyfriend, who without she will and previously has gone through a complete mental breakdown.
if you want to keep your man you have to know when and how to bitch around, bitch.
[tbc]

[Anonymous No.572554]

>>572553
[continued]

>Her value as a human being, her happiness, and her sanity is measured only through her complete dependency on Edward.
this is a man's world, bitch. untill there's a feminist revolution we do depend on men. there is a photographer, R.C.Hörsch, he does make pictures of the starved syphilic whores who populate atlanta. Is that your modern antithesis to bourgeois marriage for women?
>I couldn't paint a more insulting and misogynist portrait of the female mind than Stephanie Meyer has if I tried.
That's because you are a retard. You evidently couldn't do anything save spouting hollow nonsense rhetorics.

[Anonymous No.572560]

>>572549

Because they're both close in release dates and extraordinarily popular.

[Anonymous No.572566]

>>572554
>>572553

Tell me you are trolling, because i cant believe that someone is really arguing with you.

[Anonymous No.572580]

>>572553
>>572554

Damn. How far your tampon's went in this time?

Seriously, this is still the internet. No need to go on a full-on rage because you're too lazy to read a tiny essay.

tl;dr for you since you love it so much.

[Anonymous No.572586]

>>572554
Stephanie, shouldn't you be off writing another novel?

[Anonymous No.572588]

>>572566
Ah! another whore! why do you even come here, bitch!? if you want agreement, stay in your adult kindergarden that is woman's studies. This and die.

[Anonymous No.572589]

I read all four. To me the biggest draw back is the fact she wrote them all in first person. The first three are written in first person as Bella. The last book is written in first person as the three main characters Edward, Jacob, and Bella (separated into "books"). For me, it made me slightly confused since I was so used to reading the books as Bella. The forth book was a neat idea but poorly executed.

The writing in general is awful. At times she uses very corny teen-like words, such as, dazzle. Other times I could swear she wrote a sentence and then took a thesaurus and replaced simple words with intricate ones, all in some sort of weird need to make the books look more sophisticated and intelligent. To me, it is a teen romance vampire novel attempting to be a classic work of literature but trying not to stray too hard from what it is intended to be.

To be con't

[Anonymous No.572590]

con't from >>572589

The content is questionable. Yes, both male leads come of as abusive, overprotective, and stalker-ish. I realize at one point, as a teenager, I saw those exact types of guys as perfect, protective loving boyfriends. Meyer plays to this need and want by the reader of such, by overshadowing their flaws with beauty, smarts, talents, etc. Bella comes of as flat but she is written so the reader can self insert. Don't want to make Bella too intelligent or the less intelligent girls won't be able to see themselves as Bella. Same with the pretty girls. Make her average at everything and give her a not-a-flaw flaw and everyone can be Bella. So she comes off as nothing special if you don't self insert.

Honestly, if you read Twilight expecting it to be what it is, a teen romance novel, then that's what you get. It can be fun and humorous read as long as you see it as such. There is nothing deep about the story. The characters are not special. It's series of books written by a woman who honestly, can't write well and it was written for teens.

Though anyone who is pissed about the way the mythology of vampires is handled... They have every right to be pissed.

Sorry for the long opinion.

[Anonymous No.572609]

>>572554
>>572553

[Anonymous No.572610]

>>572588
This is /lit/, not the angry virgin misogynist club. Act like an adult and stop writing like a tool. No one is impressed with your comments. No one thinks they're funny. You will never meet a woman who likes you. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.572615]

>>572580
>you're too lazy to read a tiny essay.
by the quoted dumb conclusion it is evident that the author has the talent and mind of an average deviantart user. I'd rather read de Sade's Justine than this moronic American teenager's drivel.

[Anonymous No.572623]

>>572553
>>572554
This is too fucking funny. I feel like I'm really talking to a fan of Twilight. You rely entirely on ad hominem insults, and all the arguments you've made I've already refuted in the essay which you've neglected to read.

>stupid whore.
>when is your 13th birthday, bitch? wait till it strucks and get back here. your idiocy is pathetic.
>what are you, bitch, doing in life?
>prudish communsit-wannabe bitch?
>bitch.
>you are a retard.

I'm saving your response just because it's so god damn funny.

>>572566
This pyramid is an accurate representation of you. You're on the bottom.

[Anonymous No.572624]

>>572560
it's still dumb since substance-wise they're not that alike.

[Anonymous No.572626]

If you're going to reply to the toll at least sage.

[Anonymous No.572628]

>>572512
Interesting blood theory. I have to admit I kept wondering why Bella never went on the rag. Guess that would have been tooooo complicated.

[Anonymous No.572629]

>>572615
>I'd rather read de Sade's Justine than this moronic American teenager's drivel.

U mad.

[Anonymous No.572630]

>>572553
>>572623
I am so fucking confused. Why is a Twilight fan, by definition a lover of fucked-up Mormon sexual values, insulting someone else by calling them Mormon?

[Anonymous No.572635]

>>572624
Obviously, but most people are stupid, so there you go.
>>572610
>not the angry virgin misogynist club

You mean /v/ and /a/?

[Anonymous No.572641]

>>572610
You know why you just said that? Because you cannot bring up anything against the arguments. The only thing that you can do is crying, pointing a finger at me, and calling me a virgin nerd from /b/, dumbfuck.
Western university Feminism is the greatest waste of paper known to mankind! Stephanie Meyer is the only true feminist to be even close to this thread.

[Anonymous No.572651]

>So guys you you hate Twilight for a reason, or are you just following the crowd?
>Here's some reasons why Twilight sucks, I came to these conclusions after reading the book.
>OH MY GOD, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RETARDED EVEN THOUGH I DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE URLS AND CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO READ YOUR ESSAY, FROM THE LITTLE SNIPPET THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED CLEARLY YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND I CANT BE BOTHERED TO READ THE EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS THAT CONCLUSION. BITCH BITCH BITCH, COME BACK WHEN YOU'RE 13 YEARS OLD, STUPID BITCH, WHORE, BITCH, WHAT DO YOU KNOW?!

[Anonymous No.572652]

the characterization of a family of immortal mother fuckers that feed on blood n shit is a big problem for me. specially the part where one of them who is a hundred n something years old and can read minds falls in love with an average looking mildly socially retarded introvert.

pic related: what immortal doods who need blood in order to exist would be like if they where real

[Anonymous No.572655]

>>572641

You know, you're really amusing. I know I speak for the others when I say, thank you for the laughs.

[Anonymous No.572658]

>>572641
I bet you cry after masturbating and have never touched real breasts.

[Loving Girlfriend !!okQV6vrs+me No.572663]

>>572641

You are a sad, strange little man, and I pity you.

Never thought I would be inspired to quote Toy Story, but these are strange times.

[Anonymous No.572665]

>>572630
>>572630
read that dumbfuck american baptist girl "feminist"'s essay:
>She is a moody, two-faced liar, whose only positive attribute is her body
She was obviously the troll itt. She wasn't even a she, it was a grown neckbeard who quoted this moronic essay to troll lit

[Anonymous No.572676]

>>572665
Every word in your post is an English word, but I don't understand what the hell it's supposed to mean.

[Anonymous No.572678]

>>572658
I don't need to masturbate because don't take the feminism out of an American baptist's mouth. I am a two-faced lying whore. Hate me, Hitler.

[Anonymous No.572694]

>>572676
are you a troll or a retard? I'll hope for the latter and will elaborate:

Here is a novel that presents us a woman who makes the best of her life. And what do you do?
You call her a liar and a traitor to the feminist cause. Why? Because she didn't follow your brand of virtue ethics that would have lead to a life in squalor.

I don't even know why I would be wasting time on a dumb teen like yourself. I'm guessing I'm just nice today.

[Anonymous No.572700]

>>572694
But I just joined this thread...

[Anonymous No.572701]

>>572553
>>572623
Thank you. This made my day. Your seething hatred, irrationality, and inability to create a counter-argument brings a smile to my face.

[Anonymous No.572708]

>>572678
whatever, samefag

[Anonymous No.572709]

>>572694
>You call her a liar and a traitor to the feminist cause. Why? Because she didn't follow your brand of virtue ethics that would have lead to a life in squalor.

Well, clearly you didn't read the essay and you're jumping to conclusions. The essay provides examples from the text of Bella being lying, manipulative, moody, and irrational. But I guess you can't be bothered to read arguments, it's so much easier to just say "bitch, bitch, you whore, stupid bitch, come back when you're 13 years old."

[Anonymous No.572711]

what has become of /lit/?
why don't you recognize that twilight is just good?

[Anonymous No.572724]

>>572701

sure is closed minds in here

[Anonymous No.572726]

ITT: butthurt twifags who want to justify their obsession and who defend themselves via poor counter trolling

[Anonymous No.572731]

>>572724
>stupid whore.
>when is your 13th birthday, bitch? wait till it strucks and get back here. your idiocy is pathetic.
>what are you, bitch, doing in life?
>prudish communsit-wannabe bitch?
>bitch.
>you are a retard.

Wait a second. Who's the closed minded person here?

[Anonymous No.572734]

> Thread summary

[Anonymous No.572736]

>>572709
>>572709
>>572709
>The essay provides examples from the text of Bella being lying, manipulative, moody, and irrational.
Well? The modern woman shan't lie and shan't manipulate the man? And you are angry because I call you by your name you stupid baptist feminist wannabe?

[Anonymous No.572742]

>>572726
>twifags
moar liek twidykes

[Anonymous No.572749]

@all the twilight haterfags
what are the books with female protagonists you like?

[Anonymous No.572768]

>>572736
This is my final reply to you, since there is simply no reasoning with you.

>The modern woman shan't lie and shan't manipulate the man?
Not what I said. I said that the modern feminist role model should overcome misogynist and stereotypical perceptions of women. Something which Bella fails to do. If anything, she reinforces negative stereotypes of women which perpetuate misogyny further. With role models like these, further progress for the feminist cause is futile because it paints such an ugly portrait of women.

This is all addressed in the essay which you refuse to read for some reason.

[Anonymous No.572783]

>>572359
He watched her as she slept from a window in her room. How the fuck is that romantic? I agree wholeheartedly with your statement that Edward is creepy.

[Anonymous No.572789]

Twilight is average at best, piss poor at worst. The fanbase has caused me to loath the work though and the massive amount of women that fawn after Edward just prove that women love it when you abuse them and treat them like shit.

[Anonymous No.572803]

>>572768

I'm thinking she can't read any type of walls of text.

Notice her short answers and chopped up paragraph seen in >>572518 turned into >>572553.

Apparently, there is no such thing as cohesion perception in this person's reading abilities.

[Anonymous No.572820]

>>572803
>I'm thinking she can't read any type of walls of text.

Then how the fuck did she read Twilight in the first place?

In all seriousness, you're probably right. Twilight's target audience never wasn't much for thems who do book learnin'

[Anonymous No.572821]

I actually read it. I did a masters degree on horror literature and have an interest in keeping up to date with the genre.

What can I say? Its badly written, clichéd, derivative of much better books (mostly rips off Anne Rice) and has a really obvious nasty fundamentalist Mormon anti-sex subtext. Its pretty bad
.>>572327
Also cliched and derivative, but much, much better written and much more engaging.
>>572518
I concur. Only skimmed the essay but it seems fairly accurate.

[Anonymous No.572823]

>>572768
Your drivel would so much easier to understand if you would provide an alternative, praiseworthy plot or role model or stereotype. Nobody can understand your point as of now, you seem to be saying two mutually exclusive things:
On the one side you say she portrays the female gender as manipulative rich vampire's whores - that's stereotyping
On the other you claim she tells the girls to be moody and loyal towards their men - that's a bad role model.

The only impression I get is that you're trying to rationalise your irrational hate towards this masterpiece because it was written by a woman for a change. You're that obedient to males. And to the bible ("ye shan't lie").

[Anonymous No.572830]

>>572823
>this masterpiece

Your argument just went out the window.

[Anonymous No.572832]

>>572823
>You're that obedient to males. And to the bible ("ye shan't lie").

Oh yeah, fuck being honest. Who does that anymore, amirite?

[Anonymous No.572838]

>>572832
Being honest will get you crushed if don't have any power and today's western women don't.

[Anonymous No.572843]

The women must be thaught being machiavelli. Because fighting the patriarchy will get you killed or turn you into a hypocrite.

[Anonymous No.572847]

>>572823
>Nobody can understand
>Everybody except me can understand
Fixed for you. No need to thank me.

[Anonymous No.572848]

Twilight fans need to stop trying to rationalize with trolls. Internet 101.

[Anonymous No.572853]

>>572847
>>572847
well go ahead and explain what the fuck this dimwit meant!

It is an antithesis to the modern woman's rolemodel because the modern liberated women should not manipulate and whore around? Sorry but if you can understand this drivel, you too must be an American baptist having a wildly warped concept of woman's liberation movement.

[Anonymous No.572857]

I know I shouldn't be shocked that a Twilight thread can get this terrible, but I am.

[Anonymous No.572858]

>>572848
>>572848
who's trolling whom?

[Anonymous No.572860]

>>572838
>western women don't have any power

I'm sorry, are we in the dark ages still? Western women certainly do have a lot of fucking power, certainly more than women in the middle east, certainly a lot more than they had fifty years ago. Women can wear pants, vote, get any job they choose (even if they choose to join the army!), they can walk around outside by themselves or with other girls instead of being escorted by men everywhere, they no longer have to strictly adhere to rules of femininity, they can discuss politics and not be scoffed at and they can be politicians. Jesus, have you been living under a rock for the past fifty years?

[Anonymous No.572867]

>>572838
Are you fucking retarded?

[Anonymous No.572868]

>>572860
So wearing pants is what woman's liberation is about to you? You're everything that's wrong with western feminism.

[Anonymous No.572873]

>>572867
care to elaborate?

[Anonymous No.572877]

>>572868
see
>>572566

You're still at the bottom.

[Anonymous No.572879]

this is a man's world.

either you marry edward cullen or you get crushed, hypocrits.

[Anonymous No.572885]

>>572877
cry me a river bitch. that's obviously the only thing you can do.

[Anonymous No.572895]

>>572860
I guess you have to differentiate. Its not like women don't have any power. But they are still discriminated against. For examply in most jobs they get paid less for the same work men do. In the upper ranks you find only a few women among a vast majority of men.
Apart from that, womens rights in the west did basically explode during the 20th century.
Its a matter of society, especially the preferred image of family. In the US the ideal that is still deemed ideal is the "neolocal core family" as Parsons described it in the fifties (providing husband, stay home mum, kids, living seperated from their respective families due to the husbands job). But that could be found only in a very short period of time, the fifties, and even then it applied only to roughly 50% of the population. This ideal is part of the reason why women aren't just discriminated against in the workplace but are pressured to fullfill the role of the caring housewife as well as having to work a job because it is economically necessary to support the family.

[Anonymous No.572898]

>>572853


If you can't understand it after this long then I don't think it's remotely possible to let logical ideas into your brain right now. Far too narrow minded.

[Anonymous No.572903]

>>572860
>certainly more than women in the middle east
Iran and China do have a higher percentage of female science students than the west. That and not the pants you're wearing, is woman's liberation.
You have no choice but to "adhere to the rules of feminity" because the West belongs to males. It's just that your feminity today also includes pseudofeminist psychobabble.

[Anonymous No.572906]

>>572885
>>572879
>>572853
Let me tell you a story. There was this guy Hercules. He had to clean out a horse stable because he pissed off some gods or something. It doesn't matter why he had to do it, he just did. So this horse stable is full of horse shit, right. It's completely full of it. Shit is fucking everywhere, and there's no way in hell Hercules could hope to get that shit out of there in a timely manner (or at all). So he decides to divert a fucking river through the building and wash all the shit away. So that's what he does. He diverts the river and runs the whole goddamn waterway through this building to wash away all the shit. Afterward, the stable is almost usable, and Hercules was happy.

Now, the reason I told you this story is because your head is that horse stable. What you need to do is run a river through your goddamn head, because it's so hopelessly full of shit that there's no fucking salvaging that mess without some divine intervention.

Once you've done this, come back and talk with us. Until then, get the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.572912]

trolls trolling trolls ITT
and you smell of vagina

[Anonymous No.572918]

>>572903
>another daft anon confusing feminism with women's liberation, oh my

[Anonymous No.572920]

>>572895
>Apart from that, womens rights in the west did basically explode during the 20th century.
Who told you that? FOXNews? All walks of life are dominated by the male. Yes, the man does not batter the wife as often as he did before but she is still the slave, a slave, to quote de Beauvoir, who's locked in a golden cage.
You can pretend you're free by wearing pants or you make the best out of it like did Bella.

[Anonymous No.572927]

>>572920
>or you make the best out of it like did Bella.

What exactly did Bella do to prove that she was "free" from male society? I'm curious.

[Anonymous No.572930]

>>572920
erm, did you read anything else I wrote in that post? And I don't even remotely care about twilight.

In fact, I am as indifferent to that topic as it gets.

nice try, tho

[Anonymous No.572965]

>>572920
You're clearly delusional.

[Anonymous No.572969]

>>572927
I'm still hoping she responds to this.

[Anonymous No.572999]

>>572927
she pursues her happiness with no regard to your "feminist" and christian dogmas you lay out in your essay.

In a better world we would be the tough vampires, but sadly, we're not. Reading american highschool pamphlets on abusive relationship won't help us in an any way.

[Anonymous No.573013]

i <3 twilight ^^

[Anonymous No.573016]

"Not elite enough for me xD"

[Anonymous No.573021]

>>572999
>>572999
>she pursues her happiness with no regard to your "feminist" and christian dogmas you lay out in your essay.

So Bella frees herself from a male dominated society by being happy that she is subservient to an abusive boyfriend and by being happy that she has no aspirations beyond being subservient?

You're a feminist by happily choosing not to be a feminist?

Makes perfect sense.

[Anonymous No.573022]

i have read it and disliked it. I have read all the books in the series( It's not a saga, check dictionary)
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/03/17/twilight-drinking-game/ that says everything

[None !/JTRoll.A. No.573027]

GAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAY

[Anonymous No.573223]

>>573021
to you feminism means pants and christian virtues, to me it is a conscious and pragmatic approach to my sexuality and my relationships with men.
to me you are a "fake feminist", or a "western feminist". A proper feminist is someone who reads Prankhurst, Zetkin, August Bebel, Kollontai. Fake feminists to me are people who talk about pants and demand to ban books for no reason at all.
In the USA what became to be called "the feminists" in the public are some sort of a second catholic church. they have their set of quite simplistic dogmae (women are awsome) from which they will derive any position you pay them for.
you get justifications for imperialist aggression, for reactionary politics and general blunt nonsense moralism which is degrading the feminist cause in my eyes.
I blame the rule of media. The west is obsessed with the superficial.
"Who cares that in the USA more teenage girls are forced by conditions into prostitution than in all of western europe? Who cares that baptists and mormons enslave their women from birth? Let us wear pants and degenderise language instead."

[Anonymous No.573247]

>>573223
I have nothing to say to that except: good for you.

why aren't you more happy about the fact that you aren't retarded?

[Anonymous No.573277]

>>573247
>why aren't you more happy about the fact that you aren't retarded?
I'm terribly happy and I spread the joy by praising twilight.

[Anonymous No.573283]

>>573223

>implying that there is anything wrong with prostitution

Puritan

[Anonymous No.573301]

>>573283
Prostitution isn't reasonable, it kills.
That's why I like Twilight.

[Anonymous No.573304]

>>573301

>it kills

A puritan AND a liar

[Anonymous No.573310]

>>573304
prostitution is the main cause for AIDS. It's spread in the countries and the social strata which provide most prostitutes. Twilight, propagating bourgeois boyfriendhood, is actually the long sought for cure for AIDS.

[Anonymous No.573320]

I was waiting for it to get good, but it never did.

You know that plot line you did with books in school? Well, Twilight's looks like this

[Anonymous No.573322]

>>573310

>prostitution the main cause
>not unprotected sex between untested individuals

[Anonymous No.573325]

>Oh look it's THIS thread again.jpg

[Derp De Doo !7Q1qJNYWx. No.573328]

>>573310
>twilight cures AIDS

3/10 please troll again

[Anonymous No.573329]

Fucking Mary Sues.

Bella is a Mary Sue.

Edward is one as well.

Not just one, but TWO of the main characters?

FFFFUCK. YOUUU.

[Anonymous No.573333]

So who would in a fight Buffy of Bella?

[Anonymous No.573335]

>>573322
>>573322
it's all about the quantity and the quantity in twilight is just right. of course it's not a fine read for someone over 14 thus we can only judge it by the values it contains and propagates

[Anonymous No.573343]

> twi/lit/e
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[Anonymous No.573346]

>>573304

>Implying prostitution isn't a major source of income for organized crime

...?

[Anonymous No.573370]

>>573346
>trolling

[Anonymous No.573455]

>>573370

Nope.

[Anonymous No.573458]

Read the first one.

Loved Carlisle, hated everyone else.

[Anonymous No.573565]

>>573333
thats like my thoughts on the whole serise, needs moar Buffy. Buffy should go to Forks and kill the whole lot of them.

If I ever have any daughters, I'm making them all watch Buffy.

[Anonymous No.573589]

>>572278
When the first one came out, I loved it.
Then everyone started to like it.
Then I started to hate it after I analyzed it a bit more.

I'M SO ASHAMED.

[Anonymous No.573675]

You know what would've gotten Twilight five stars in my book?

As soon as she met Edward, she should've filed a restraining order on his stalkerish ass. Book over. The end. No "vampire" love story bullshit. There, I just made your shitty book a thousand times better.

[Anonymous No.573693]

>168 posts
Never change /lit/

[Anonymous No.573712]

>>573693

>in 7 hours
Indeed, never change.

[Anonymous No.573727]

Vampires were once the paramount of occult aspiration, the phantom wisp of sexually seductive demonic power. Now vampires are a laughing stock who "sparkle" in the sunlight and have passionate romances with generic homely girls. Fuck, call me archaic but my nostalgia goggles are both on and thick for any real vampire literature.

[Anonymous No.573731]

"Not elite enough for me xD"?

More like too retarted for a human being.

[Anonymous No.573736]

Even Hellsing (an ANIME series!!!) manages to beat twilight by miles in terms of....let's see.....EVERYTHING.

[Anonymous No.573742]

>>573736
f/a/g get out of here.

[Anonymous No.573745]

>>573731
trolling is a art, amiright?

[Anonymous No.573748]

Hey! I'm just saying.......

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