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5716137 No.5716137 [Reply] [Original]

Is Hemingway the only writer we all unanimously like?

>> No.5716142

I doubt it

>> No.5716145

>>5716137
Haha no.

Keats and Milton. As for prose no idea, does anyone really dislike Proust or Kafka?

>> No.5716146

I don't like Hemingway.

>> No.5716155

We all like that macho tryhard?

>> No.5716162

>>5716145
Proust une merde

>> No.5716170

>>5716137
ITT people saying they don't like him just for the sake of opposing OP

>> No.5716173

I don't. I read some short stories, Farewell to Arms, and half of The Sun Also Rises. I'm one of those people who finish any book they start no matter how much they hate it, but The Sun Also Rises is one of the few exceptions. I definitely understand why people like him, and do think he is an important modernist writer, it's just I find his prose, themes, and points extremely boring, and this comes from someone who happily reads Proust. Perhaps that is the core of the problem. I mean, that I relate to an effeminate, aristocrat French guy.

>> No.5716178

>>5716173
pleb

>> No.5716179

>>5716145
Yes, I dislike both with vehemence

>> No.5716182

Does anyone dislike Shakespeare, Chaucer, and Cervantes?

>> No.5716186

>>5716182
All three of them are hacks

>> No.5716188

>>5716186
No, seriously

>> No.5716191

>>5716188
>Shakespeare
hack
>Chaucer
pseudo-intellectual
>Cervantes
pleb-tier

>> No.5716203

>>5716170
Fuck off.

>>5716162
>>5716179
I'd like to assume you guys are kidding but alright. At least no one attacked the poets.

>>5716182
Cervantes isn't good. Very important, but no pleasure in reading.

>> No.5716205

>>5716137
I would say most of the people on here dislike him for his prose. Even though they are perfect for the type of story and tone he is trying to convey.

I would say the closest to universally liked on here are Milton and that old russian Dusty. But, I'm sure others would disagree.

>> No.5716228

Dostoevski never gets any hate
(For good reason, he is the greatest writer ever, IMO)

>> No.5716235

>>5716203
Did you read Cervantes in Spanish?

>> No.5716241

>>5716228
He gets hated on every single day

>> No.5716279

McCarthy?

Does anyone here hate Blood Meridian?

>> No.5716292

Hipster general

>> No.5716298

Does anyone unironically hate Thomas Pynchon?

>> No.5716311

>>5716241
Only by people who haven't read him

>>5716298
Only anons who haven't read him but are sick of how repetitive /lit/ can be with him

>> No.5716335

>>5716145
There's that utterly retarded tripfag who thinks Milton ruined poetry by not rhyimg.

I've never seen a bad word against Virginia Woolf. Or Dante. Or Faulkner?

>> No.5716355
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>>5716137
James Joyce (maybe some poor asshole hates him, I don't know)

Vasily Grossman

Umberto Eco

Italo Calvino

William Faulkner

Richard Fariña

Gabriel García Márquez

Jorge Luis Borges

Malcolm Lowry

Thomas Mann

Lev Nikolayevich Tolstoy

Virginia Woolf

>> No.5716359

>>5716335
I've seen plenty of bad words against both Woolf and Faulkner

>> No.5716366

>>5716335
Also there was a thread just a day or two ago bitching about Dante, but it was probably bait

>> No.5716372

>>5716359
I've been here 2 years and I've never seen any.

How could you hate Faulkner?

>> No.5716375

>>5716355
I have seen negative words about most of those people, and have even uttered them about a couple

>> No.5716378

I fucking hate Hemingway.

>> No.5716383

>>5716375
Really? I would very much like to hear your opinions on the ones you dislike.

>> No.5716394

>>5716378
>I don't understand Hemingway
Well then read him again, dumbass

>> No.5716397

>>5716394
You don't have to misunderstand something to hate it.

>> No.5716405

>>5716355
>Thomas Mann
you can't hate the Mann

>> No.5716410

>>5716359
Someone suggested yesterday that Woolf's prose was beautiful which engendered quite a lot of opprobrium against the person making that statement. "cheap wannabe joyce" and "brainwashed by feminism" were among the criticisms

>> No.5716414

I've seen plenty of people here that say they dislike Hemingway, mainly citing his style as the reason, so no.

I'd probably say Pynchon is unanimously liked here. There was like, one guy here for a while who spammed threads about hating Pynchon (that "into the toilet guy") and there was Zeeburg but who gives a fuck about those two?

If not Pynchon, I can't say I've ever seen anyone dislike Yeats here every time he's been brought up.

>> No.5716426

>>5716394
You may have a bit of a reading comprehension issue, anon

>> No.5716433

>>5716414
>but who gives a fuck about those two?
You do when you even mention them. That's why it still works.

>> No.5716437

>>5716355
I heard a lot of shit talk about Calvino here

>> No.5716447

>>5716414
The kitty doesn't like Yeats. Yeats is too modern for hte kitty

>> No.5716452

DFW :~)

>> No.5716465

>>5716437
How? Why?

I did stop reading the english translation because it was... as good as it could get I suppose, but that can't be it

>> No.5716477

Dave Pilkey?

>> No.5716484

>>5716477
>Dave Pilkey
It's Dav.

>>5716437
I've never seen any.

>> No.5716485

>>5716137
My friend gave me a copy of A Moveable Feast and I haven't read it yet. I just finished my last book and I'm wondering if A Moveable Feast is worth reading?

>> No.5716486

>>5716485
yeah

>> No.5716490

>>5716228
>For good reason, he is the greatest writer ever, IMO
That's a big insult to literature. I hope you are trolling.

>> No.5716507

>>5716228
Pleb

>> No.5716513

How about Kurt Vonnegut? His work always pisses me off, but I know some people like him.

>> No.5716519

>>5716433
I mentioned them because some dickwad would've brought them up to argue against me for the epic trolling.

>>5716447
Too bad kitty is a retard huh

>> No.5716522

>>5716513
Are you kidding me? So many people here hate Vonnegut. Did you even read the OP?

>> No.5716525

>>5716513
I couldn't stand Slaughterhouse-5.

That makes him out.

>> No.5716535

>>5716241
Yeah but its stupid meme jokes like saying he's reddit-tier trash

>> No.5716546

You honestly couldn't have picked a worse author to make this claim. No author is unanimously liked on this board for starters, but Hemingway is easily in the top 5 most shit on.

>> No.5716570

>>5716513
I think he might be the most unanimously hated actually

>> No.5716581

Remember Dante, Pynchon, and McCarthy are complete hacks. I imagine Reddit likes all three though.

>> No.5716591

It's Shakespeare. It's always Shakespeare.

>> No.5716594

Fuck no. Hemingway is decent but way overhyped.

>> No.5716606

>>5716581
You forgot the "he goes into the toilet!!!" part of your post

>> No.5716654

>>5716591
I don't mean to be rude, but how fucking stupid are you? /lit/ is chocked to bursting with contrarians, tons of people hold the view that he's an enormously overrated populist hack.

>> No.5716665

just in case you or any other new posters presume to make a thread like this again, the following is a list of authors you would probably expect the board to like, especially if you hail from reddit or some other den of casuals, but would be sorely mistaken.

Hemingway
Vonnegut
Bukowski
Orwell
Huxley
Steinbeck
Salinger

>> No.5716673

Hemingway killed literature with his minimalist posturing.

>> No.5716679

>>5716279
fuck that oprah tier hack

>> No.5716686

>>5716665
what's wrong with Steinbeck?

>> No.5716690

>>5716665
People on /lit/ like Steinbeck. I see people praising East of Eden and Gilbert Grape here all the time.

>> No.5716695

>>5716654

That's bullshit, though. I think you're just mad that the board doesn't like a 20th century scrub author and are trying to justify it by pretending the board would have the same response to any acclaimed author, which couldn't be farther from the truth because Shakespeare is undeniably boss, and unless you're Leo Tolstoy, you don't have a leg to stand on if your opinion is anything other than that.

>> No.5716698

>>5716686
>>5716690
It's about half/half.

>> No.5716703

>>5716695
Tolstoy's critique of Shakespeare is baseless. He comes off as jealous.

>> No.5716723

>>5716695
I haven't even read Hemingway, and quite like Shakespeare myself, but my point still stands. I fucking guarantee you that if the OP of this thread had been "Is Shakespeare the only writer we all unanimously like?" hundreds of contrarians would have come crawling out to spew shit on him.

>> No.5716734

>>5716703
But he can afford that, cause he's fucking Tolstoy.

>> No.5716739

>>5716723
The difference is the Hemingway hate isn't baseless. People have legitimate criticisms as to his minimalism, rhythm, and influence. Shakespeare is closer to untouchable.

>> No.5716747

>>5716734
I guess. It's not like Shakespeare wasn't a critic. He was just more subtle about it.

>> No.5716755

We all love Nabokov

>> No.5716764

>>5716755
Oh I wish, but nope.

3-4 years ago, definitely.

>> No.5716768

Oh, Lit. Never change.

> fuck Hemmingway.

>> No.5716769

Blake

>> No.5716892

>>5716137
Only seen positive things on Goethe, Whitman and Borges.

>> No.5716905

>>5716739
Those criticisms are wrong. There are legitimate criticisms of Hemingway but those aren't it

>> No.5716913

>>5716905
lol okay man. Hemingway fans are all the same here.

>> No.5716914

>>5716764
Pretty sure I saw some fantasy nerds 3-4 years ago calling Nabokov 'autistic'

>> No.5716920

>>5716892
I've seen plenty of negative comments on all three of those

>> No.5716927

>>5716913
If you don't like his style then that's your own fault. A legitimate criticism might be that he doesn't create vivid or memorable characters. But his style is fantastic. He's practically a poet

>> No.5716946

>>5716920

you're lying, fuckface

>> No.5716953

Never seen bad word against Gaddis, but he is rarely mentioned and hasn't been memed to death by local retards yet, unlike Aycorn and Bandana.

>> No.5717037

Daily reminder that people with disdain for Proust are autistic krauts in black turtlenecks composing minimalist glitch techno in that tiny bit of spare time they have, that is when they are not organizing pencils by size and producer. Lol too much buttmad that pleb-tier Goethe is the best your Hitlerania has to offer, Hans? Well maybe you should rauch Georg's Wurst zur Himmel, you asshurt faggot.

>> No.5717040

>>5716946
There was someone hating on Geothe like just a week ago

>> No.5717046

>>5716953
Gaddis has been called purple prose within the first few months of this board's existence

>> No.5717048

>>5716927
Characters are his strong suit. His prose is hollow, plain, stagnant, and dead.

But I'm not gonna shout you're wrong all day, I accept we have different views. Grow up.

>> No.5717054

>>5716914
Oh definitely, I was only counting the literary side. A board as whole was way more Russian-lit obsessed back then.

>> No.5717065

>>5717048
Hemingway is a master of lyricism and symbolism actually

>> No.5717090

i don't 'get' his short stories for the most part.

>> No.5717115

Lets settle this once and for all

http://www.strawpoll.me/2980686

>> No.5717132

Borges is universally beloved here.

>> No.5717142

>>5717132
borges a shit
>>/lit/thread/S5713496#p5713524

>> No.5717145

>>5717132
Agreed. I never see a negative thread on him.

>>5717115
I agree. Let's vote on it.

>> No.5717153

>>5717115
tao lin only 1 vote :(

>> No.5717158

>>5717115
Left out Borges, m8

>> No.5717160

>>5717115
>no Chekhov
>no Gogol
>Hemingway being spelled "Hemmingway"
>only Thomas Mann, no Golo or Heinrich
>not even Schiller, or Arno Schmidt

pleb central or what

>> No.5717168

>>5717160
there are only 30 options. and those aren't as well known, so they would get less votes anyway.
>not spelling hemmmingway properly

>> No.5717176

>>5717168
>not spelling he(m^4)ingway properly
>implying Checkhow and Gogol are less known than Gaddis or Donne
>being this burger-centric

>> No.5717183

>>5717158
nobody hates Borges

at most some will call him cold or an autist, but with love

>> No.5717191

>>5717115
Dostoyevsky leading Shakespeare by 2? you have to be fucking kidding me.

>> No.5717220

>>5716769
Yeah, i'd say this is accurate

>> No.5717225

>>5717191
Dostoyevsky is vastly overrated on this board. Fortunately though he is not "unanimously liked".

>> No.5717232

>>5716182
There is nothing good about Shakespeare

>> No.5717238

>>5716279
Pretty garbage book, frozen prose, and its pleb tier for Oprah to read it.

>> No.5717243

>>5716298
I hate him because he's such a fucking faggot (what I mean is I can't begin to understand how he uses words the way he does and that depresses me, because it's so fucking good)

>> No.5717244

>>5717238
agree. more like coronetrick mcpony.

>> No.5717249

>>5717238
>judging books based on whether Oprah recommended them or not
>being 14 years old

Honestly, then you'd also have to dismiss
>Middlesex
>Love in the Time of Cholera
>Great Expectations
>A Tale of Two Cities
>Night
>One Hundred Years of Solitude
>The Heart Is a Lonely Hunter
>Anna Karenina
>East of Eden
>The Corrections

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>>5717115
VOTE CALVINO VOTE CALVINO VOTE CALVINO!

>> No.5717254

>>5717249
>implying i wouldn't be fine with dismissing all except 2 of those

>> No.5717257

>>5717249
>Middlesex
garbage
>Love in the Time of Cholera
Oprah didn't understand that one
>Great Expectations
garbage, Bleak House is his only good work
>Tale of Two Cities
see above
>Night
Garbage
>One Hundred Years of Solitude
le edge
>The Heart is a Lonely Hunter
YA wannabe
>Anna Karenina
Tolstoy is a hack, over hyped, nobody
>East of Eden
....well
>The Corrections
Trash

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>>5717257
forgot your pic mate

>> No.5717277

these threads are really dumb because all they do is just further the hivemind here. you can't criticize or dislike these authors without a gaggle of plebs coming after you calling you a pleb.

>> No.5717279

>>5717257

>le edge

le irony

>> No.5717284

>>5717257
>Oprah didn't understand that one
>muh love
so hard

>> No.5717291

>>5717257
>East of Eden
>....well

i really hope you aren't implying that piece of shit is good after shitting on those other books.

>> No.5717317

>>5717257
>Tolstoy is a hack, over hyped, nobody

>> No.5717357

>>5717115
if dostoyevsky actually wins this poll i might have to stop posting here forever

>> No.5717378

>>5717115

i voted for who i think /lit/ likes the most in general, not who i like the most among all of them

8-|

>> No.5717387

>>5717378

you were supposed to vote for the authors that aren't shit. can't you read?

>> No.5717390

>>5717387
Why aren't you filtering tripfags?

>> No.5717406

>>5717387

m8 i'm only familiar with like 4-5 of those authors.

>> No.5717407

>>5717232
>>5716186
in these threads you can always easily identify the plebs whose first language isn't english

>> No.5717414

>>5717407
>not spelling english as English

Geh ins Bett deuscher Michel, ist schon 2 Uhr!

>> No.5717419

>>5717406

then why would you skew the results with your uninformed opinion?

>> No.5717430

>>5716465
>>5716484

People just saying that the 2nd person in If on a Winter's Night a Traveler is gimmicky and gets old fast

>> No.5717445

>>5717406
It's alright another couple weeks of lurking and you'll know everything you need, no literature reading required.

>> No.5717460

>>5717419

dude are you serious. do you really expect the average person on /lit/ to have a well-rounded understanding with every individual author listed on that poll?

>>5717445

pretty much. I'm already at /lit/'s level of understanding pynchon just from the amount of shitposting there is with him mentioned. I didn't even have to read gravity's rainbow

>> No.5717476

>>5716182
Shakespeare is good but not great. Chaucer is only good because of historical context. His work on its own sucks.

>> No.5717483

>>5717460
>do you really expect the average person on /lit/ to have a well-rounded understanding with every individual author listed on that poll?

why wouldn't i expect that? this is the literature board.

>> No.5717491

>>5716665
/lit/core.jpg when?

>> No.5717496

>>5717476

super intelligent opinion right here. i bet a lot of thought went into its formation.

"shakespeare is good but not great"
"chaucer is only good because of historical context"

fantastic stuff. i'd love to pick your brain.

>> No.5717498

>>5717491
ok i didnt read the whole post and got it wrong
but you guys get the idea, whos up to it?

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God of lit coming through

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>>5716485
Yeah, it's worth it if you've never read anything by him before. For whole the bell tolls is okay too but it's reeeeally boring when they're just fucking around in the cave.

>> No.5717738

>>5717142
>tfw only person who thinks borges is overrated as crap

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Is it true they didn't believe in corn back then?

>> No.5717983

reddit likes hemmingway for obv reasons

>> No.5718085

Shakespeare and Hemingway are such hacks, I think we can all grew that true genius can be found in the writings of E.L. James and Stephanie Meyer

>> No.5718095

>>5718085
>grew

>> No.5718099

>>5716137
I think /lit/ agrees on Pynchon

>> No.5718274

>>5717183
Just started reading Labyrinths. Despite his writing being a little cold and encyclopedic, I am impressed by his story telling.

I actually saw a review on GoodReads saying anyone that likes him must be faking because she doesn't understand him. She even had the nerve to say she 'didn't understand abstract stuff'

>> No.5718457

>>5716235
>americuck
>reading anything other than english

>> No.5718468

>>5716665
Take out Steinbeck and it's a pretty accurate list.

>> No.5718481

>>5716170
Eh, I've seen a fair amount of Hemingway hate in the past. Not relatively recently though.

>> No.5718499

>>5717115
Seriously? Only 1 female writer? Ya'll suck.

>> No.5718506

>>5717115
They're all good except Tao Lin.
Tao Lin is fucking incredible.

>> No.5718515

>>5718499
>doesn't name another one

>> No.5718532

>>5716355
Virginia Wolf? Shit disgusting, mate.

>> No.5718600

>>5717238
>frozen prose
I'm laffin'.

>> No.5718603

worst thread ive ever seen

/lit/ you should be ashamed

>> No.5718899

>>5717115
Sigh, Dostoyevsky is leading
I think I should find myself a new board.

>> No.5719708

>>5718899
>hating on Dostoyevsky
Kill yourself

>> No.5719722

>>5718600
But he's right

>> No.5719806

>>5719708
I don't hate the old geezer, rather I'm feeling uncomfortable among the people who are praising mediocrity.

>> No.5719830

>unanimously like?
i neither like nor dislike hemmmingway

>> No.5719848

>>5719806
I repeat - kill yourself.

>> No.5719883

>>5716203

I like you :)

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>>5716137

Maybe Tolstoy; certainly not Hemingway.

I don’t think that anyone who has really read Tolstoy can hate him. Not talking about his pseudo-philosophy and primitive religious-rambling, but his fiction. It is so crystal-clear, so entertaining, so filled with humanity and topics that everyone can relate to that I think is hard for anyone to dislike his books.

>> No.5719917

>>5719912
>primitive religious-rambling
It's time for you to leave.

>> No.5719935

>>5719917

No: I am far better a contributor to this board than you will ever be (there probably isn’t any merit on it, but still: is good when you come across good suggestions and detailed posts on 4chan, as sometimes happen).

And Tolstoy’s views of how people should live and act were not only primitive, but maybe even stupid. Have you ever read the Kreutzer Sonata? The philosophy of the main character seems like the ideas in the brain of a lunatic because Tolstoy portrayed him as something of a crazy man, but actually every one of his thoughts were also Tolstoy’s thoughts.

Like Chekhov stated: one would help the people much more by building hospitals, schools, police-departments and paying them with justice for their jobs than wanting them to abstain for sex and live in old primitive villages in the woods, like Tolstoy thought it was the right thing to do.

>> No.5719942

>>5719935
It's time for you to leave.

>> No.5719951

>>5719942

Whatever. At least explain what you think the problem is instead of being so lazy.

I really wish I could see you face or Facebook profile: I am pretty sure you are exactly how I think you are.

>> No.5719955

>>5719951
>I am pretty sure you are exactly how I think you are
Describe me and we'll see

>> No.5719976

>>5719917
>>5719942

why are you even posting if you have absolutely nothing to contribute?

>> No.5719979

>>5719976
I'm feeling butthurt from over here.

>> No.5719992

>>5719979

what are you butthurt about? you've made three posts and i still don't know what your issue is or what you're upset about.

>> No.5720368

>>5719722
I can infer from your comment that you have no knowledge of what makes prose good or bad and so can disregard all of your opinions. Also, please return to /b/, where philistines are supposed to be.

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>> No.5721215

>>5716137
Stephen King doesn't like it and he browses /lit/.

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>>5716137
>>5717115
Who's the most overrated on this list?
I honestly think it's Joyce or Dostoyevsky

>> No.5721230

>>5721226
I don't think it's possible for Joyce to be overrated. Dostoevsky, sure.

>> No.5721256

>>5721230
Anyone who is internationally famous is overrated to a degree.

>> No.5721277

>>5721256
I disagree. That implies no author/artist is worth being internationally famous.

>> No.5721285

>>5721277
No it doesn't.

>> No.5721316

>>5721285
Why wouldn't it?

>> No.5721352

>>5721316
Because of their international fame they become overrated.

>> No.5721390

>>5716355
>Gabriel García Márquez
literally one of the most shit-talked oprah-tier authors on lit bud.

>> No.5721430

>>5721352
Hmm, I maintain there's a difference between "anyone internationally famous becomes overrated" and "anyone internationally famous is overrated," but this has little to do with what we're really talking about so let's move on from it.

Anyway, I'd still disagree because there's international famous authors who are still underrated, such as Henry Miller or Laszlo Krasznahorkai.

>> No.5721456

>>5721430
Not the guy you're replying to, but I don't get the appeal of Henry Miller

He just seems like an English speaking version of Cèline

could you tell me why you think hes underrated?

>> No.5721503

>>5716359
Faulkner is literally god incarnated into Whiskey country. Faulting Faulkner is faulting god.

>> No.5721518

>>5721456
I haven't read Cèline so I can't comment as to that.

For Miller, his prose is melodious, vibrant, and human. Its a wonderful synthesis of the working class and high art. Influenced by stream-of-consciousness and Proust's "memory recalls," he diverges into the surreal, showing the imaginative heights of our thoughts.

Usually he's the guy everyone knows as that dude who wrote about "cunts and pricks and pubic lice." Which is all true, but they miss the rest.

>> No.5721643

>>5721518
where do i start with him

>> No.5721663

>>5721643
Tropic of Cancer is his masterpiece.

>> No.5721735

>>5716137
Steinbeck too

>> No.5721950

>>5719912
Tolstoy is a hack.

>> No.5722077

>>5717243
i feel like that about a lot of authors. those fucking faggots.