Why is it that /lit/ not only has good taste in literature, but also has better taste in music than /mu/ and television and film than /tv/?

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Anonymous Mon Oct 27 16:43:25 2014 No.5644022 [DELETED]

Why is it that /lit/ not only has good taste in literature, but also has better taste in music than /mu/ and television and film than /tv/?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 16:46:12 2014 No.5644028 >>5644022 >taste in... television and film >television >and film

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 16:47:03 2014 No.5644034 >>5644028 tarkovsky bergman and dreyer 4lyfe m8

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 16:47:04 2014 No.5644035 >>5644022 Kent Willfred is based

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 16:49:51 2014 No.5644051 > lit > good taste in literature Banging on about esoteric philosophers and Ayn Rand is not "good taste".

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:01:54 2014 No.5644105 >Understanding of plot/narrative >Understanding of Aesthetics Pick your poison, drink up, drink up. For tonight thy soul may be required of thee.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:03:29 2014 No.5644112 >>5644051 What board would have better taste than /lit/, though?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:06:18 2014 No.5644117 >>5644112 Also, high school lit doesn't count

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:10:10 2014 No.5644129 >>5644022 Not sure about /mu/ (I don't think /lit/ talks about music enough, and I suspect /mu/ would win easily), but in the case of /tv/ the answer's fairly obvious. It's because /tv/ is a gigantic heap of awful shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:12:24 2014 No.5644138 >>5644129 /mu/ has a few quality threads occasionally, but the amount of memerap and p4k faggotry on there is almost unbearable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:13:45 2014 No.5644145 Because /mu/ does nothing but listen to the same 5 indie bands and whatever indie flavor of the week just came out and /tv/ only talks about bane and underage actresses' feet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:18:33 2014 No.5644168 >>5644138 >memerap kill yourself dadrocker

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:27:30 2014 No.5644203 >>5644145 >Because /mu/ does nothing but listen to the same 5 indie bands and whatever indie flavor of the week just came out Wut. There are a lot of problems with /mu/, but that really isn't one of them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:32:47 2014 No.5644226 >>5644203 There's a thread right now for each of these, all near the top of the catalog: MGMT My Bloody Valentine Spiritualized Animal Collective ITAOTS

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:33:56 2014 No.5644233 >>5644226 And there is the rest of the board. retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:35:00 2014 No.5644235 >>5644022 going to the shops for a snickers anyone want anything?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:35:29 2014 No.5644237 >>5644022 >and television and film than /tv/ That's not hard to do. /tv/ is unfortunately the plebbiest media board on 4chan

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:36:14 2014 No.5644240 /tv/ could not fuck the farts out of a five year old. Not for lack of trying mind you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:36:27 2014 No.5644243 >>5644233 >album includes a cover song >frozen shit >memerap >memerap >more memerap >bill clinton >henry rollins is a douche >kpop no thanks

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:36:42 2014 No.5644247 >>5644235 Wait until after Halloween. Snickers are going to be half off.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:36:52 2014 No.5644248 >>5644226 >forgetting the constant kpop general >ignoring the 30 death grips threads at any one time

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:38:31 2014 No.5644257 >>5644243 ...and then there is the rest of the board

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:38:59 2014 No.5644259 File: 2 KB, 88x125, cia.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] /tv/ most definitely has the shittiest taste of any board, but I almost always enjoy my time spent there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:47:07 2014 No.5644289 >>5644226 >all they talk about is recent indie flavor >anco around for over a decade >nmh same >spiritualized around for more >mbv around for still more

>>	fagve Mon Oct 27 17:47:35 2014 No.5644293 /tv/ and /mu/ are shit, /lit/ is shit with a slightly less assaulting miasma

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:48:59 2014 No.5644297 >>5644129 >I don't think /lit/ talks about music enough Of course we don't this is a literature board >I suspect /mu/ would win easily How would they win? Is there an objective judge that decides who has the better taste in music?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:49:14 2014 No.5644298 >>5644022 >good taste in literature ok taste >better taste in music than /mu/ not at all >television and film than /tv/ yes, far better, but that's not very difficult

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:49:17 2014 No.5644299 >>5644293 Lit's "miasma" is an all-encompassing funk of pretentiousness, thinly veiled religiosity, and contrarian teenagers. Give me /sci/'s taste in literature any day.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:50:16 2014 No.5644302 /lit/ has absolute shit taste in everything

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:51:17 2014 No.5644310 File: 53 KB, 550x550, sailor-says-there-be-a-shit-storm-brewing.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5644299

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:52:12 2014 No.5644314 >>5644112 4chan is an awful place in general. Do you really think you'll find anything of quality here?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:52:24 2014 No.5644315 >>5644022 we started with the Greeks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:54:25 2014 No.5644323 >>5644310 shitstorm? I giggled and will continue to do so. He even put miasma in quotes!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:54:46 2014 No.5644327 >>5644022 >>>/mu/ >>>/tv/

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:54:49 2014 No.5644328 >>5644314 okay, where on the internet do I find quality discussion on literature then?

Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:55:48 2014 No.5644335

>>5644297
>Of course we don't this is a literature board
I mean 'enough to have better taste than /mu/', not enough in general.
>How would they win?
By having spent far more time listening to a much wider range of music, and (in some cases, I think) putting some thought into it.
> Is there an objective judge that decides who has the better taste in music?
No. Does there need to be?

Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:56:57 2014 No.5644343

because literature is the end game of intellectual pursuit. we begin as music fans, later develop an interest in film, and eventually, after craving something more challenging, we delve into literature.

thus, everyone who ends up on this board has already cultivated taste in music and film.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:57:53 2014 No.5644350 >>5644289 That ain't even me, you didn't read the first post >same 5 indie bands >plus indie flavor of the week

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:58:11 2014 No.5644351 >>5644335 Yes there does because there's not way of winning. If you have a better way of deciding who wins this contest please tell me

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:58:51 2014 No.5644356 >>5644343 >because literature is the end game of intellectual pursuit The End of human endeavour is physical manipulation of our environment - science. Literature is a diversion, an amusement.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:59:03 2014 No.5644357 File: 244 KB, 472x472, IMAG_032.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5644343 I skipped the film part, never liked movies that much

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:59:49 2014 No.5644364 >>5644343 Damn, you've made me realise that it's the reverse- most kids go from books to movies to music, although the ones with shitty parents might skip the books.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 17:59:54 2014 No.5644365 >>5644247 nice very clever thinking

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:01:01 2014 No.5644375 >>5644357 >>>/mu/

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:01:39 2014 No.5644380 >>5644375 No, there's a reason I don't go there

Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:04:04 2014 No.5644395

/mu/ with post rock is the same as /lit/ with postmodernism, some faggy elitists who don't actually know anything about music thinking that liking a weird out there genre means they know what they're talking about and have good taste when it's clearly the opposite and they're just bandwagoners.
I like both post rock and postmodernism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:04:45 2014 No.5644398 >>5644395 define postmodernism

Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:05:06 2014 No.5644400

>>5644351
>suspending all judgement of anything because you insist on mathematical levels of objectivity
That's a funny way to live your life, anon. How do you decide what to eat? Or even whether to eat?

Admittedly though I wasn't actually sugesting a real competition, because on a purely practical level the anarchic nature of 4chan doesn't really allow for an authoritative judge.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:05:11 2014 No.5644401 /mu/ is really bad so stop posting about it you gaylords

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:06:46 2014 No.5644413 >>5644400 "i eat dicks" - you

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:06:58 2014 No.5644416 >>5644395 >post rock >weird out there genre pick one

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:07:38 2014 No.5644420 >>5644343 This is bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:10:09 2014 No.5644443 >>5644420 refute it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:10:57 2014 No.5644446 >>5644314 Oh boy, talking about contradicting yourself m8! Why are you here? To make yourself dumber?

Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:12:25 2014 No.5644453

>>5644022
>but also has better taste in music than /mu/
lol. keep telling yourself that. i hate /mu/'s taste in music recently with meme rap and p4k garbage but it's infinitely more well versed in a whole slew of genres and styles and contemporary happenings. all /lit/ has going for it is muh classics, which is the opposite of 'taste' nowadays

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:18:07 2014 No.5644485 >>5644420 Literature actually makes you think. TV Film Music It's brainless noise

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:20:40 2014 No.5644497 >>5644485 >It's brainless noise wrong

Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:20:43 2014 No.5644498

>>5644416
Perhaps that part should have gone in quotes, it's "weird" and "out there" in a "safe" and "cool" sense.
>>5644398
The movement of writing from the late 50s up through the 80s concerned with refuting the conventions as established in modernism in ways of structure, narrative, and metanarrative with tones of of cynicism. At first glance what appears to be eclectic and inaccessible turns out to be another gimmicky version of "cool".

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:22:04 2014 No.5644506 >>5644497 >getting baited this easily

Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:28:59 2014 No.5644536
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Because some of us give as much attention to other mediums as we give to books, and books are much more difficult to enjoy without paying too much attention (unlike, say, music that you can leave playing while you do something else and assume you didn't like it and that it must have sucked).
But once you have reasons to like something taste is a pretty hard thing to define. I love GSYBE and many people consider them baby's first something, it comes down to personal experience after a certain point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:30:13 2014 No.5644542 >>5644506 you got double tricked

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:35:04 2014 No.5644556 >>5644542 You activated my trap card!

Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:39:44 2014 No.5644582

/mu/ has bad taste because they're hipsters who get a kick out of pretending Death Grips is bad. Their 'taste' revolves around what's hip in the faggoty art student community.

/tv/ has bad taste because they're obsessed with memes and think watching TV is somehow a hobby.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:53:39 2014 No.5644683 Well I don't know about /tv/, /tv/ is catch all, but definitely better than /mu/ because /mu/ is more concerned with how listening to a certain genre of music makes them look rather than what the music is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:55:38 2014 No.5644694 Because literature is the only one that requires any kind of effort at all and it carries over.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:56:41 2014 No.5644700 >>5644694 This is actually a very astute observation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 18:57:44 2014 No.5644706 >>5644700 That was made multiple times already. Could we let the masturbatory thread die?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 19:04:31 2014 No.5644745 >>5644706 okay :´^(

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 19:07:43 2014 No.5644758 >/lit/ >not pretentious fuckwads

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 19:12:29 2014 No.5644780 >>5644706 forget to sage?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 19:19:48 2014 No.5644820 That's mainly because people whose main board is /lit/ - like me - also use /tv/ and /mu/ daily, thus dragging up our taste in everything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 19:20:35 2014 No.5644828 >>5644780 I'm pretty sure I haven't posted without sage in the last week.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 19:20:55 2014 No.5644829 /lit/ has terrible taste in film, and their taste in music scratches the surface at best

Anonymous Mon Oct 27 19:26:46 2014 No.5644863

>>5644828
Whether you sage or not, when you post anything here you are eliciting responses. Responses bump the thread.

I get that you're playing the role of the mature, learned superior who is so utterly above all these pedestrian OPs with their entry-level questions, but if you wanted to really appear smart you'd simply not post anything.

But I guess posting nothing wouldn't allow you the sense of smug satisfaction you get from voicing how above everyone posting you are.

Take how smart you think you are and divide it by half. That's how smart you really are.

Anonymous Mon Oct 27 19:37:33 2014 No.5644917

>>5644863
If I didn't want to talk with people I wouldn't come here. I also couldn't say anything about people discussing whatever they want and even zeeburg threads can be fun if the people posting are having fun.
Repeating "we train our attention" over and over is a shit thread, though. Not for values or concept, but for general content.

What music do you like? Do you see a correlation between your literary taste and film/music?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 20:08:23 2014 No.5645093 File: 6 KB, 144x118, smekkleysa.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5644022 because the culture of literature is one obsessed with "good taste" this obsession carries itself onto other media

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 21:13:03 2014 No.5645446 /lit/ has shit taste. i mean honestly how hard is it to say you like pynchon and dfw. /lit/'s taste is basically the modern western canon with mishima thrown in.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 21:15:05 2014 No.5645458 >>5644829 no one asked for how much you disdain the board you're posting in, cool kid. it's in comparison to other boards.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 21:17:24 2014 No.5645471 >>5645446 >good taste depends on how hard it is to say you like something >good taste must be quirky obscure and contrarian go back to /mu/ or something

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE Mon Oct 27 21:19:00 2014 No.5645480 File: 4 KB, 159x157, oli_logo_big.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5645093 >smekkleysa

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 21:19:37 2014 No.5645482 >>5645458 >>5645471 there are more books out there guys. don't worry, i won't call you a pleb for reading something not already critically acclaimed

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 21:19:45 2014 No.5645485 >>5644138 >not running the jewels fuccboi

Anonymous Mon Oct 27 21:21:07 2014 No.5645495

>>5645446
I think you're using "taste" in a different sense of the term, bud. Having good taste is liking the right things. You're referring to having diverse interests in things, broadened exposure to different things, ability to defend obscure things you like, etc. You can have all of those attitudes towards and skills involving things, but if you don't like the right things then you don't have good taste.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 21:23:44 2014 No.5645505 >>5644356 What is it like to be enframed?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 21:29:56 2014 No.5645525 >>5644129 /mu/ is alright if you stick to the bandcamp and share threads.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 21:33:36 2014 No.5645540 >>5644129 FOR YOU

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 21:46:46 2014 No.5645602 wow nice board fags

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 21:47:48 2014 No.5645608 >>5644138 What the fuck is p4k?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 21:50:14 2014 No.5645617 File: 121 KB, 375x500, maxbemis.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5645608 Go find out yourself, cunt-lip.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 21:52:16 2014 No.5645623 >>5644022 /lit/ has the best taste in literatre in the internet. Which is not saying much, compared to places like Goodreads and /r/books or whatever. Is there even a better place to discuss literature than here?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 21:57:29 2014 No.5645640 >>5645540 There he goes again

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 22:26:05 2014 No.5645739 >>5645623 i kinda take this back. I checked reddit and /r/books isn't the only place to discuss... books. /r/literature seems decent enough.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 22:49:47 2014 No.5645838 File: 528 KB, 905x600, 45_791720031.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5645739 How about you stay there, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 23:08:27 2014 No.5645907 >>5645838 better than staying with all the SJW here, nigger. goodbye and have a nice previledge checking.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 23:12:52 2014 No.5645924 File: 90 KB, 713x383, hibari hand.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5645907 I have no idea what you're talking about

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 27 23:15:02 2014 No.5645931 >>5645838 This isn't /b/

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 00:05:38 2014 No.5646201 File: 2.92 MB, 291x300, 1411606817545.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5645931 I just think anyone that doesn't prefer anonymity is a complete and total piece of shit. I have principles, Anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 02:47:29 2014 No.5646859 I'm just amazed that I haven't been permabanned by now I have shitposted on this board ten times more than I have on /mu/

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 03:57:14 2014 No.5647031 >>5644022 Because the further away from anime something is here on 4chan, the better it is Anything to do with Japan on this shithole of a website, barring /jp/, becomes increasingly cancerous the more Japanese it gets

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 04:04:00 2014 No.5647043 >>5644022 The golden rule for 4chan boards is that the board dedicated to a particular subject is always the worst one to go to for decent conversation on said subject.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 04:11:20 2014 No.5647061 >>5646201 Anonymity isn't the problem with reddit, it's the downboats. >>5646859 ok

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 04:14:03 2014 No.5647070 Is anyone else worried that /lit/ will face the same fate as all other boards and be overrun by mongrels? Now that /g/ has turned into Consumerism General, /lit/ is the last board that has some quality. What can we do to keep it pure?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 04:16:28 2014 No.5647074 >>5647043 I've "main'd" a lot of the boards and I think this widely spread rule is only true if you're into juvenile stuff because the home board will make fun of it. /tv/ excluded.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 04:17:04 2014 No.5647076 >>5647070 The quality of a board or general is inversely proportional to the number of occurences of the word 'meme'.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 06:43:38 2014 No.5647396 >>5647070 Report all /pol/scum threads. >rec me some reactionary literature Fucking disgusting

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 06:55:41 2014 No.5647418 >>5644243 >album includes a cover song Poor criticism. Evidence against your point includes but is not limited to: Galaxie 500 - On Fire Devo - Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are DEVO Chromatics - Kill for Love

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 06:56:31 2014 No.5647421 >>5645608 Pitchfork, it's a music news website that tells whats good for you

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 06:58:51 2014 No.5647429 >>5644343 if anything film should be the end game intellectual pursuit, combining musics soundscapes and atmosphere, screenplays and action with photography and art it's really a shame that it isn't

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 07:31:33 2014 No.5647470 patricians gonna patrice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 13:12:47 2014 No.5648252 >>5647429 By this logic videogames should be the pinnacle of art because they have everything you just listed PLUS the interaction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 13:24:50 2014 No.5648283 >>5648252 True dat. Maybe give it a century or so.

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 13:41:23 2014 No.5648329

Because 1. /lit/ is smaller and 2. the only people who bring up their music/film taste on the pretentious literature board are people who are confident in their good taste.

Poll the actual average /lit/ poster on what they listen to and it'll probably be just as shit as what /mu/ listens to.

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 14:01:19 2014 No.5648387

>>5647429

Film is only a tier above the worst medium, video games, because it is basically a warm sensual bath of images, and sound. Just sit back and absorb. You CAN watch actively, but even then you're still being given way more points of reference for interpretation because you have sound to back up the tone of the image and image to make the tone of the sound concrete. Literature is by nature active. You have to drag your eyes across a page, formulate a whole sensory experience from the words, follow the lines of argumentation, explication, and their implications. This, yes, like film, gets more and more difficult as things get less linear, but literature is capable of a non-linearity that is always conceptual as well as emotional because language by nature implies ideas. It is a thinking medium because language is the medium of thought. Film in experiment usually devolves into pure tone, like music, mere sensory datum in more or complex arrangements, polluted by attempts to represent.
Historically, film has only around a century to develop. Its peaks are high, but few. Literature has been around for thousands of years. There's at least a dozen authors in every national tradition who have touched on the peak of human intellectual achievement. And not just in art, either, but in practical genres within the medium: whole civilizations have been structured around the works of literature, around philosophers treatises and statesman's essays; literature is, and has been, the language of statecraft. What does film have? Documentary? Even the best documentaries barely achieve the status of the higher journalism.

Film is only redeemed by the fact that it isn't basically a behaviorist reward and punishment machine like 99% of video games. It's truly the most pleb of mediums that contain serious art.

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 14:11:30 2014 No.5648429

>>5648387
So you're saying that the value of a medium of conveying artistic content lies in how much effort the viewer/listener/reader has to expend on understanding it? So the value of art is based on how obscure it can become and essentially based on the exclusivity of the club able to understand and appreciate it? Would the ideal form of artistry then be a work which none but the artist can fully understand (e.g. finnegans wake)? Is this form of artistic riddle somehow profound to you? Doesn't the effectiveness of art lie in its ability to convey meaning to the receiver? Doesn't that mean that art which communicates deep meaning in a simple and accessible way is actually effective art and therefore of significant value, and that art that is hard to understand is simply lacking in eloquence of communication?

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 14:33:43 2014 No.5648511
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>>5647061
You fucking idiot. It takes one click to display things chronologically rather than popularly. It IS indeed the lack of anonymity that makes Reddit inferior to this wonderful laotian scrimshaw forum.

Now, I'm going to disappear, again. Peace out. Death to tyrants. White and proud.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 14:34:44 2014 No.5648515 File: 581 KB, 853x687, truth.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] how is /lit/ on rap music?

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 14:41:48 2014 No.5648549

>>5648429

Literature is an exercise of thought, while film is a stimulation with the possibility of an exercise, which will always be less developing. Literature requires you to become a thinker. Theoretically, we can all become good thinkers. The rationality literature stimulates directly is what we understand, classically, to be our defining one. It's not an exclusive club. Just a club with dues and regulations in an age of easy society. It's not the only means to reach this ends, but the best one.
I should have also mentioned that literature, particularly critical literature, is the resort of people who are interested in thinking seriously about any of the other mediums of art and thinking. That is why it is the endgame, really.

I also won't degrade the potential of film to be better than say, music or visual arts, which are grounded in awakening the lesser faculties, but historically it's just not there. It might end up being more important because it will require people to develop visual rhetoric, which will protect against advertisement, but it'll never be better. Society will just be worst.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 14:43:33 2014 No.5648566 >>5644453 >implying classical music isn't god tier.

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 14:45:41 2014 No.5648588

>>5648387
Is this a copy pasta?

You contradict yourself with your first point, saying that literature is more "active" entertainment than film but at the same time you denounce video games, the medium more active than both?

Furthermore: you‘re mixing in nonfiction/artistic writing with other genres of literature, such as nonfiction/philosophical work. I wouldn‘t consider the latter "art", just like documentaries or "typing games" aren‘t art either... at least they were‘t made deliberately in an artistic manner.

Given that there is a distinction between artistic and non-artistic works, there is no sense in comparing pieces of the artistic to the non-artistic due to the lack of common intention(you wouldn't compare satire to the Illiad, unless you were suggesting that the Illiad IS a satirical piece)

Finally, you said it yourself, film does have its peaks. How does having LESS of them take away from the ABILTY of film to achieve them?

Ultimately, the only thing I can gather from your argument is that there aren‘t enough great video game or film works because they simply haven‘t been around as long as literature. And I‘ll accept that.

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 14:47:23 2014 No.5648591

>>5647396
This
/pol/ is going to destroy /lit/ with there bullshit "politics", which is really only contrarian nonsense masquerading as fascism and Christian fundamentalism. More and more people from /pol/ seem to be migrating here, and they all think there the Übermensch and one true savior of the white race.
tl;dr /pol/ sucks

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 14:47:28 2014 No.5648592 >>5648588 sorry, mixing in fiction/artistic writing**

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 14:49:19 2014 No.5648602 >>5648515 It fucking sucks.

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 14:54:17 2014 No.5648620

>>5648588

The formal potential of video games and film are inferior to literature because they're sensory by nature, while literature is linguistic, or intellectual. Historically, film's vocabulary is remarkably developed, but still pretty crude in a lot of areas. Video games are, so to speak, a rambling idiot. They are definitely significant formally because their defining feature is choice, so they COULD become very important, though the formal qualities of the genre are such that it's less reflective than literature.

On a strict comparison of non-fiction in film to non-fiction in literature, or writing if you prefer, literature still wins out. But in pointing out satire you bring out the fact that in literature the distinction between fiction and nonfiction doesn't really hold water that well. Homer is about morality, about living life, as much as it is an exquisite structure of details that form an entertaining, interesting, improving experience.

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 14:55:59 2014 No.5648625

>>5648588
Well, to be fair to his point, literature is an active intellectual activity. VIdeo games are interactive, but they tend not to encourage philosophical or profound thought, instead emphasizing problem solving or strategy. If "deep" thoughts are included in a video game, they are usually secondary to the gameplay experience as a whole.

Since artistic merit is not really the primary aim of video games, it is hard to compare its value as an artform to literature. There is certainly a great deal of written work which isn't art as well, but the artistic subset of literature is a much vaster body of work, both in number and proportion to total works, than the portion of the video game world aimed at creating games for the sake of art.

There are exceptions, but by and large the video game medium is just too small/young to have the same merit. It certainly has great potential, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 14:57:56 2014 No.5648634 >>5644758 >choose one

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 15:02:52 2014 No.5648650 >>5648620 I see what you‘re saying, but what exactly do you mean by formal potential? Just the physical spurring of thought?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 15:05:51 2014 No.5648661 File: 1.98 MB, 300x169, huuu.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5648591 You people make me sick.

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 15:12:58 2014 No.5648685

>>5648387

I don't think that what you've said is untrue but I don't think you should dismiss the impact film can have given its native immediacy. I speak only for myself but the impact of film for me is one which often develops into literature. Its a medium which exposes ideas, but not the be and end all of them.

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 15:15:07 2014 No.5648690

>>5648650

What I mean is that an experience in a video game is structured in a certain way just because of how the medium works on your body and mind. In video games, the experience is primarily one of touch, vision, and hearing. In literature, the experience is, in a minor way, visual, but mostly interior. I'm speaking in generalities here: the actual way that these sensory experiences are implemented, the subtleties of their organization, can be pretty damn important. It gets hard to talk about because we lack the vocabulary and maybe ability to verbalize really basic phenomenology without getting into art terms, poetics, etc.

The good thing about video games is they are constantly requiring you choose to push the joystick forward, to click the button to preform the action. Your sense of self disappears and is transferred by empathy and this action to a surrogate. This sense of identification can allow you to have simulated complex experiences, like literature, but these experiences require you to manage their direction. This could theoretically result in some very interesting stuff happening to you that couldn't happen to you otherwise, specifically moral choices -- the choice at the end of The Last of Us, or the choices in The Waking Dead games, as some familiar instances.
The one weakness of that this is a feeling medium. It deals in intuitions and emotions. This can be used to reach artistic and intellectual heights (even unique ones) but it's largely used (here's the historical part) as a kind of pleasure machine because it's an aggressively commercialized artform. Most games lack even the thought about their style (their controls, the controller) link up with their substance (the story, the characters, the visuals, etc.)

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 15:34:13 2014 No.5648736 >>5648661 People who aren't right wing sperglords?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 15:38:29 2014 No.5648751 >>5644297 >How would they win? Is there an objective judge that decides who has the better taste in music? Why the fuck are you asking? Because it sounds like you're a retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 15:38:41 2014 No.5648752 >>5644051 i have never heard anyone hear actually praise ayn rand

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 15:42:59 2014 No.5648764 >>5647070 >/lit/ is the last board that has some quality you forgot /wg/

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 15:54:40 2014 No.5648802 >>5644022 /tv/ has a better taste in literature. There's a Harry Potter thread right now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 15:56:31 2014 No.5648809 >>5648802 >hairy poofter >literature lel good one m8 I'm sure someone will take the b8

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 16:02:40 2014 No.5648826 >>5648602 >having absolutely shit taste >>5648591 >muh pol bogymen we're just culturally enriching your fucking awful board m8, don't get so ir8 e

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 16:03:46 2014 No.5648831 >>5648736 marxist college brats are the scum of the western world

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 16:31:09 2014 No.5648922

>>5644051

You don't frequent /lit/ much do you?

Unless you want to call Kierkegaard and Nietzsche esoteric then you're flat out wrong.

Also, Ayn Rand is almost universally despised on /lit/.

Quit shitposting and go back to whatever containment board you crawled from.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 17:01:44 2014 No.5649057 >>5648602 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpg-yNJF2ds does it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 18:56:42 2014 No.5649646 >>5648515 love it

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 19:50:01 2014 No.5649918 >>5645495 Who decides if the things you like are the right things to like though?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 20:01:12 2014 No.5649965 >>5648809 You just did, dickhead. >inb4 double tricked

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 20:10:36 2014 No.5650008 File: 39 KB, 658x370, beavis_and_butthead.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5648831 This guy gets it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 20:17:26 2014 No.5650035 >>5648831 >marxist hurr >centre left liberals are marxists >hurr

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 20:19:43 2014 No.5650043 >>5649057 yes 'conscious' gnostic white rappers are even worse

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 20:27:10 2014 No.5650069 >>5649057 could at least post something decent

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 21:12:14 2014 No.5650305 >>5645623 there's also tumblr which is basically book quote book quote book porn "hey guise i jsut read this and it's bruh/10 :^) im being ironically ironic #omg #personthisreminds me of" book quote

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 21:17:12 2014 No.5650335 Because I'm here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 21:29:37 2014 No.5650390 >>5648515 Depends, soft spot for Wu Tang and Geto Boys; as well as asheru and blue black. Full disclaimer, haven't listened to much. I also like willie D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjeEPFbeFK4

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 21:34:25 2014 No.5650427 >>5648831 If you don't want a bunch of disillusioned poor youth in your country shitting up your universities, you gotta increase the velocity of dat money

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 21:40:49 2014 No.5650460

This board quality varies a lot. Sometimes those evolafags invade. Sometimes eceleb fags flood this board.

The thing is, this board is shit, but not as shit as /tv/ and /mu/. Why? Because reading nowadays is not as common as listening to music or watching tv series.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 21:41:37 2014 No.5650466 >>5650460 So long as everyone hates themselves, it maintains a basic level of quality

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 21:45:21 2014 No.5650476

>>5650466
Not that much. Circlejerk are a danger in every imageboard, but what makes a board shitty is ebic memes and internet 'culture'. There are /lit/ memes, but anons here don't get influenced by them, unlike /mu/ or /pol/. I know that /pol/ shouldn't be taken as a serious board at all, but I've seen many posts that talk in a serious way that it seems lehappymerchant.jpg meme influenced them.

Here we just laugh, and if it's getting repetitive (like tao lin threads) it gets saged.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 21:46:57 2014 No.5650484 >>5650466 Not quality. Just slightly less shitty. To say "quality" might imply some sort of self-love. And self-love isn't very literary lifestyle.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 21:47:41 2014 No.5650488 File: 1.45 MB, 326x256, 1413552210362.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5650476 >he sages things I bet you report posts too...

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 21:49:16 2014 No.5650494 >>5650488 Nope. The mod here stays all day so there is no need to report posts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 21:50:52 2014 No.5650500 File: 6 KB, 200x237, Stirner[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5650476 >There are /lit/ memes, but anons here don't get influenced by them

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 21:52:39 2014 No.5650507 >>5650500 there's just a small group of retards here who got influenced by that, although it's difficult to tell if they are being serious.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 21:54:40 2014 No.5650518 >>5650507 There are too many retarded ideologues here. Marxists, Anarchists, Stirnerists. The lot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 21:56:00 2014 No.5650525 >>5650507 >by that allright, then how about pinecone and dfw? evolafags come and go, I'll give you that, which is also because their threads tend to get deleted easily. but the rest of the board is just talking about 3 books over and over again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 21:56:31 2014 No.5650531 >>5650500 He's a decent philosopher if you don't care about historic value or influences. People read him because he was a meme and liked him because he's good. I wish people did the same with those introduction to Lacan books Zizek has.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 21:57:56 2014 No.5650535 >>5650525 Both of those writers have a following outside of /lit/, why would you assume that they are an obscure meme?

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 22:00:48 2014 No.5650554

>>5650518
I'm just saying that they got influenced by the meme, and not the philosopher.
>>5650525
>dfw
???
>pinecone

Well, that isn't a meme.
>but the rest of the board is just talking about 3 books over and over again.
As I said, /lit/ quality varies a lot.
>evola threads get deleted
Now not, except if those said "Why haven't you renounced to modern culture?" and shit like that.

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 22:02:45 2014 No.5650565

>>5650535
>obscure
who ever said anything about obscurity? stirner isn't obscure either, anyone who has ever even googled "anarchy" heard about stirner.
meme authors are just authors that get thrown around because they're guaranteed replies, half of the people responding haven't read a word from them and the threads are silly in-jokes. Now admittedly stirner threads are running low right now, but pynchon and dfw are still spammed to hell and back. this is no different from posting nmh on /mu/ (not an obscure band either).

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 22:04:23 2014 No.5650578 File: 130 KB, 400x400, In_the_aeroplane_over_the_sea_album_cover_copy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5650565 Now it isn't an obscure band because of all the attention and memes /mu/ did.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 22:05:54 2014 No.5650588 >>5650578 >all the attention and memes /mu/ did. >/mu/ that's a funny way to spell pitchfork

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 22:06:18 2014 No.5650590 >>5650588 kek

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 22:08:49 2014 No.5650599 /lit/ - Patricians lurk here

Anonymous Tue Oct 28 22:08:50 2014 No.5650600

>>5644226
Those are all good though.

While the majority of the board talks about the same stuff there's some good threads in there, I was introduced to American Primitivism and a lot of interesting avant-garde rock, like Sun City Girls and Thinking Fellers Union Local 282 on /mu/.

I don't find it worth it to browse it anymore though, the good threads are too few.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 28 22:13:17 2014 No.5650611 >>5650600 >Thinking Fellers Union Local 282 'Cups of Dreams' is a favourite of mine. Nice taste.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 29 02:20:47 2014 No.5651627 >>5648690 >The Walking Dead > A game

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